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Installing 98se on modern hardwa Asrock 775DUAL-VSTA motherboard
Ok, I've just finished installing Win98se on this motherboard:
Asrock 775Dual-VSTA http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.as...l=775Dual-VSTA This board has: - Via PT880 Pro/Ultra northbridge - Via VT8237A southbridge - Realtek ALC888 7.1 channel audio codec with high-def - VIA PHY VT6103 lan (only 100 mbps) - 2 Dual Channel DDR slots - 2 Dual Channel DDR-2 slots - 4 PCI slots - 1 PCI-express slot - 1 AGP slot 4X/8X (supports only 1.5V boards, not 3.3V) - 2 SATA connectors - this is a socket 775 board. CPU: Celeron D, 3.46 ghz, 533 fsb. Memory: 2 x 256 mb DDR I might replace it with a 3.6 ghz version which I think was just released by Intel last month (probably the fastest Celeron that will ever be made) and will probably swap the DDR memory with DDR-2. Anyone considering building a high-end system soley for win-98 use would probably be wasting their money with a Pentium that does hyperthreading, or any of the dual or quad-core CPU's as win-98 apparently can't make use of those features. On the other hand, the Celeron D's apparently do overclock very well, with some accounts of running stable at up to 4.9 ghz. This would seem to make a great board to use as a dual-boot platform though. Hard drive: 160 GB Seagate Barracuda (SATA). Hard drive was partitioned with On-Track Disc Manager (Seagate Disc Wizard). Two partitions (32 gb and 121 gb). Both partitions with FAT-32, both using 4kb cluster size. Video card: ATI Radeon 7000 (dual head output). 128 mb, PCI bus. I will (soon) install a primary display driver in the AGP slot. It might be an ATI all in wonder radeon 7800 that I already have. The 7000 will then be the secondary driver, and in total I'll be able to hook up 3 monitors to this machine. I have 2 500gb Western Digital SATA drives coming in about a week that will be installed in place of the single 160 gb Seagate. Ok, so win-98 installed relatively easily. After messing with various drivers, here's what I get: In Device manager, I'm seeing 2 unknown items under "Other Devices": - item 1 is listed as a PCI card - item 2 is listed as an Unknown Device Using a program called "unknown device identifier" it seems that item 1 is this: - High Definition Audio Controller - Chip Vendor: Via Technologies inc - Device: PCI card - OEM Vendor: ASRock Inc. - PnPID: VEN_1106&DEV_3288&SUBSYS_08881849&REV_10 I have no idea what Item 2 is. There are no resources listed for it in device manager, and the unknown-device-identifier does not list an "unknown device". The joystick driver is also listed as being a problem, and there is also a PCI bus listed with a yellow (!). This is what device manager is saying about this PCI bus entry: "Windows could not load the driver for this device because the computer is reporting two PCI VXD bus types (Code 2)." It's listed as using I/O resource addresses 0CF8 - 0CFF, which apparently can't be changed. This is conflicting with the other PCI bus entry right above it in the device manager list. Would that be the PCI-Express bus slot? I am seeing a "Via Standard PCI to PCIE bridge" entry that appears fine. All other motherboard resources appear to have been found and drivers installed. This includes the USB 2.0 drivers, the AC-97 audio drivers, the on-board NIC, and the SATA drivers (again, the SATA controller appears as a SCSI driver in device manager). So, I take it that there is no high-def win-98 driver for the realtek codec - is there? Anyone know what this PCI problem is, and how I can solve it? |
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"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Ok, I've just finished installing Win98se on this motherboard: Asrock 775Dual-VSTA http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.as...l=775Dual-VSTA . . . CPU: Celeron D, 3.46 ghz, 533 fsb. Did you encounter the NDIS error (supposed to impede OS installation on CPUs above 2.4 GHz)? If so what happened? -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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"98 Guy" wrote in message ... | Ok, I've just finished installing Win98se on this motherboard: | | Asrock 775Dual-VSTA | | http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.as...l=775Dual-VSTA | | This board has: | | - Via PT880 Pro/Ultra northbridge | - Via VT8237A southbridge | - Realtek ALC888 7.1 channel audio codec with high-def | - VIA PHY VT6103 lan (only 100 mbps) | - 2 Dual Channel DDR slots | - 2 Dual Channel DDR-2 slots | - 4 PCI slots | - 1 PCI-express slot | - 1 AGP slot 4X/8X (supports only 1.5V boards, not 3.3V) | - 2 SATA connectors | - this is a socket 775 board. | | CPU: Celeron D, 3.46 ghz, 533 fsb. | Memory: 2 x 256 mb DDR | | I might replace it with a 3.6 ghz version which I think was just | released by Intel last month (probably the fastest Celeron that will | ever be made) and will probably swap the DDR memory with DDR-2. | | Anyone considering building a high-end system soley for win-98 use | would probably be wasting their money with a Pentium that does | hyperthreading, or any of the dual or quad-core CPU's as win-98 | apparently can't make use of those features. On the other hand, the | Celeron D's apparently do overclock very well, with some accounts of | running stable at up to 4.9 ghz. | | This would seem to make a great board to use as a dual-boot platform | though. | | Hard drive: 160 GB Seagate Barracuda (SATA). | | Hard drive was partitioned with On-Track Disc Manager (Seagate Disc | Wizard). Two partitions (32 gb and 121 gb). Both partitions with | FAT-32, both using 4kb cluster size. | | Video card: ATI Radeon 7000 (dual head output). 128 mb, PCI bus. | | I will (soon) install a primary display driver in the AGP slot. It | might be an ATI all in wonder radeon 7800 that I already have. The | 7000 will then be the secondary driver, and in total I'll be able to | hook up 3 monitors to this machine. | | I have 2 500gb Western Digital SATA drives coming in about a week that | will be installed in place of the single 160 gb Seagate. | | Ok, so win-98 installed relatively easily. After messing with various | drivers, here's what I get: | | In Device manager, I'm seeing 2 unknown items under "Other Devices": | | - item 1 is listed as a PCI card | - item 2 is listed as an Unknown Device | | Using a program called "unknown device identifier" it seems that item | 1 is this: | | - High Definition Audio Controller | - Chip Vendor: Via Technologies inc | - Device: PCI card | - OEM Vendor: ASRock Inc. | - PnPID: VEN_1106&DEV_3288&SUBSYS_08881849&REV_10 | | I have no idea what Item 2 is. There are no resources listed for it | in device manager, and the unknown-device-identifier does not list an | "unknown device". | | The joystick driver is also listed as being a problem, and there is | also a PCI bus listed with a yellow (!). This is what device manager | is saying about this PCI bus entry: | | "Windows could not load the driver for this device because the | computer is reporting two PCI VXD bus types (Code 2)." | | It's listed as using I/O resource addresses 0CF8 - 0CFF, which | apparently can't be changed. This is conflicting with the other PCI | bus entry right above it in the device manager list. | | Would that be the PCI-Express bus slot? I am seeing a "Via Standard | PCI to PCIE bridge" entry that appears fine. | | All other motherboard resources appear to have been found and drivers | installed. This includes the USB 2.0 drivers, the AC-97 audio | drivers, the on-board NIC, and the SATA drivers (again, the SATA | controller appears as a SCSI driver in device manager). | | So, I take it that there is no high-def win-98 driver for the realtek | codec - is there? | | Anyone know what this PCI problem is, and how I can solve it? FIrst the PCI issue: I would encounter this problem when there was a multi-function PCI device or chipset, it required the proper device/chipset driver. As for the rest, I have to get the board material and other info, if I intend to discuss this... though I still wonder about these 4 kb settings your using due to that prior info presented in your other threads relating to in-built limits for fat tables and allocation units.. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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"98 Guy" wrote in message ... | Ok, I've just finished installing Win98se on this motherboard: | | Asrock 775Dual-VSTA | | http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.as...l=775Dual-VSTA | | This board has: | | - Via PT880 Pro/Ultra northbridge | - Via VT8237A southbridge | - Realtek ALC888 7.1 channel audio codec with high-def | - VIA PHY VT6103 lan (only 100 mbps) | - 2 Dual Channel DDR slots | - 2 Dual Channel DDR-2 slots | - 4 PCI slots | - 1 PCI-express slot | - 1 AGP slot 4X/8X (supports only 1.5V boards, not 3.3V) | - 2 SATA connectors | - this is a socket 775 board. | | CPU: Celeron D, 3.46 ghz, 533 fsb. | Memory: 2 x 256 mb DDR | | I might replace it with a 3.6 ghz version which I think was just | released by Intel last month (probably the fastest Celeron that will | ever be made) and will probably swap the DDR memory with DDR-2. | | Anyone considering building a high-end system soley for win-98 use | would probably be wasting their money with a Pentium that does | hyperthreading, or any of the dual or quad-core CPU's as win-98 | apparently can't make use of those features. On the other hand, the | Celeron D's apparently do overclock very well, with some accounts of | running stable at up to 4.9 ghz. | | This would seem to make a great board to use as a dual-boot platform | though. | | Hard drive: 160 GB Seagate Barracuda (SATA). | | Hard drive was partitioned with On-Track Disc Manager (Seagate Disc | Wizard). Two partitions (32 gb and 121 gb). Both partitions with | FAT-32, both using 4kb cluster size. | | Video card: ATI Radeon 7000 (dual head output). 128 mb, PCI bus. | | I will (soon) install a primary display driver in the AGP slot. It | might be an ATI all in wonder radeon 7800 that I already have. The | 7000 will then be the secondary driver, and in total I'll be able to | hook up 3 monitors to this machine. | | I have 2 500gb Western Digital SATA drives coming in about a week that | will be installed in place of the single 160 gb Seagate. | | Ok, so win-98 installed relatively easily. After messing with various | drivers, here's what I get: | | In Device manager, I'm seeing 2 unknown items under "Other Devices": | | - item 1 is listed as a PCI card | - item 2 is listed as an Unknown Device | | Using a program called "unknown device identifier" it seems that item | 1 is this: | | - High Definition Audio Controller | - Chip Vendor: Via Technologies inc | - Device: PCI card | - OEM Vendor: ASRock Inc. | - PnPID: VEN_1106&DEV_3288&SUBSYS_08881849&REV_10 | | I have no idea what Item 2 is. There are no resources listed for it | in device manager, and the unknown-device-identifier does not list an | "unknown device". | | The joystick driver is also listed as being a problem, and there is | also a PCI bus listed with a yellow (!). This is what device manager | is saying about this PCI bus entry: | | "Windows could not load the driver for this device because the | computer is reporting two PCI VXD bus types (Code 2)." | | It's listed as using I/O resource addresses 0CF8 - 0CFF, which | apparently can't be changed. This is conflicting with the other PCI | bus entry right above it in the device manager list. | | Would that be the PCI-Express bus slot? I am seeing a "Via Standard | PCI to PCIE bridge" entry that appears fine. | | All other motherboard resources appear to have been found and drivers | installed. This includes the USB 2.0 drivers, the AC-97 audio | drivers, the on-board NIC, and the SATA drivers (again, the SATA | controller appears as a SCSI driver in device manager). | | So, I take it that there is no high-def win-98 driver for the realtek | codec - is there? | | Anyone know what this PCI problem is, and how I can solve it? BIOS: Okay, what BIOS update did you install or are you at? Looks like the 2.50 is the latest for DOS systems. 02/06/2007 http://www.asrock.com/mb/download.as...75Dual-VSTA&s= ftp://download.asrock.com/bios/775/7...VSTA(2.50).zip DRIVERS: Looks like you'll be searching the NET for modified drivers. VIDEO: http://www.asrock.com/mb/vga.asp?Model=775Dual-VSTA&s= Better make sure whatever video card you get has a 98 driver. PCI CONFLICTS: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...98&btnG=Search - 113 hits http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...98&btnG=Search - 211,000 hits http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/sysperf/apic.mspx - The Importance of Implementing APIC-Based Interrupt Subsystems on Uniprocessor PCs [explains the features and problems associated with IRQs, steering, other] http://www.smartcomputing.com/editor...7r01.asp&guid= - Basic Troubleshooting- Graphics Cards [deals with issues/conflicts] Doesn't HARD answer your question does it? But I don't have the system to play with, so your the experimenter, you'll be the discoverer of what it takes to make it work. Looks like a nice board though, with the dual bus overclocking abilities. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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Don Phillipson wrote:
Ok, I've just finished installing Win98se on this motherboard: Asrock 775Dual-VSTA http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.as...l=775Dual-VSTA . . . CPU: Celeron D, 3.46 ghz, 533 fsb. Did you encounter the NDIS error (supposed to impede OS installation on CPUs above 2.4 GHz)? If so what happened? I think we've talked about that issue here recently. And I think we concluded that MS acknowledged that it's an issue only for Win-95 and Win-98 first edition (ie Gold). This is the third completely different install (of win-98se) I've done on a system with a CPU clock speed faster than 2.2 ghz, and have not seen any problems related to CPU speed. ------------------------ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/312108 When you are installing Windows 95 or Windows 98 on a computer that has a CPU that runs at 2.2 gigahertz (GHz) or faster, you may receive the following error message: While initializing device NDIS: Windows protection error CAUSE: The timing calibration code in the Network Driver Interface Specification (NDIS) driver causes a divide by zero if the CPU runs at 2.2 GHz or faster. This problem does not occur with CPUs that run at 2.1 GHz or slower. RESOLUTION: Microsoft has no plans to make an update available for this problem because Windows 95 and Windows 98 are in the "non-supported" phase of the product lifecycle. STATUS: Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products that are listed in the "Applies to" section. APPLIES TO: Microsoft Windows 98 Standard Edition Microsoft Windows 95 |
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MEB wrote:
Looks like a nice board though, with the dual bus overclocking abilities. Just FYI - I did flash the bios to what-ever was most recent as of a few days ago before starting the Win-98 install. I'm looking at some of the FAQ's on the Asrock website. Get this: --------------------- Question: I would like to use the analog CD-in function in Windows® Vista™. But the "Analog" item of Playback and Rip can not be selected in Windows® Vista™. It was gray. Why? (1/16/2007) Answer:Windows® Vista™ operating system does not support the analog CD-in. The output of CD/DVD-ROM playback will be digital only. --------------------- Presumably Vista will disable or not use any analog audio pathway inside ANY system (ie from CD or DVD drive to the motherboard or sound card). I wonder how it handles analog audio from TV-tuner or FM radio cards (I don't think there would be a digital-data equivalent). I wonder how friendly a Vista system is for media / video editing purposes. |
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