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New HDD, has corrupted Data - AGAIN
On 12/19/2017 06:56 AM, Paul wrote:
snip e in the newsgroups tested at the time, is they inserted a SATA PCI card into the machine. And the BIOS just ignored it, and the OS couldn't use it. So again, if you use hardware cards the BIOS has never heard of, there will be problems. But these really aren't surprises. It's to be expected things like this will happen. I was booting something just yesterday, and in the boot log on the screen it said "18493843248 GB disk". Then the next line said "this is a really big disk". No ****. So again, modern software is never prepared for surprises, even if the software was written in 2017. I don't know how the booting OS in that case, had managed to query the disk drive, but it got an absurdly large (wrong) size from it. No software is really "prepared for infinity and beyond" :-) The main problem with old computers, is there's no decent web browser to use on them. That's why the machines sit in the Junk Room. Â*Â* Paul A few years ago I gave away a huge, dual power supply server with a lot of SCSI drives in it. Worked just fine but it absolutely would have run up the electric bill For the last few years I've been getting those inexpensive cpu/mobo combos. No problems with them and they take 25 watts maybe |
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Ammammata wrote:
Il giorno Tue 19 Dec 2017 12:12:01p, ** ha inviato su microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio . Vediamo cosa ha scritto: You sound like one of todays spoiled rotten youth who cant stand to have anything more than 2 years old bull**** [cutting all the trash talk you wrote] I'm 50yo, my home personal computer is a 10+ yo laptop where I put an SSD to make it faster than light, and I'm saving money for my twins, using free software (linux mint) this doesn't mean that my opinion is what I wrote above: at work I have an updated (4yo) computer just because my job requires such a device; at home I make daily backups because I know that sooner or later the hw will die and to close this discussion, my 1993 486dx still runs windows nt4, the 1996 double pentium-pro runs w2k and the [unknown] thinkpad 380ED, with MSDOS 6, allows me to play Duke Nukem 3D whenever I want. r cre ohban znab, irqv qv naqner nssnaphyb, r cevzn qv cneyner znyr qv dhnyphab snv nyzrab svagn qv vasbeznegv fh puv fvn r pbfn snppvn, pbtyvbar Close as I could translate... and for good hand, you go **** yourself, before you talk bad about someone doing at least pretend to know who he is and what he does, asshole. -- |
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New HDD, has corrupted Data - AGAIN
On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:50:10 -0500, Paul wrote:
I managed to install Win98SE on an Asrock VIA board with a Core2 processor, and it screams. Even though it only can use one core of the processor. So yes, you can run Win98 on at least some modern hardware. Roughly when (year) did they stop making mobos and drivers for Win98 compatibility? I've been thinking about getting a faster machine that I can still run Win98 on. Often those old machines sell for little to nothing on ebay and I'd kind of like to have a different tower case anyhow, since I cant close mine due to the oversize power supply. I'd most likely get another Lenovo (IBM) machine since they last forever. It WONT be a Dell though.... I always wanted to see just how fast Win98 can run on newer hardware. plus it would be nice to get a MOBO with USB 2 ports. |
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On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:50:10 -0500, Paul wrote: I managed to install Win98SE on an Asrock VIA board with a Core2 processor, and it screams. Even though it only can use one core of the processor. So yes, you can run Win98 on at least some modern hardware. Roughly when (year) did they stop making mobos and drivers for Win98 compatibility? I've been thinking about getting a faster machine that I can still run Win98 on. Often those old machines sell for little to nothing on ebay and I'd kind of like to have a different tower case anyhow, since I cant close mine due to the oversize power supply. I'd most likely get another Lenovo (IBM) machine since they last forever. It WONT be a Dell though.... I always wanted to see just how fast Win98 can run on newer hardware. plus it would be nice to get a MOBO with USB 2 ports. This is the motherboard I was using at the time. "4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0" https://www.asrock.com/MB/VIA/4CoreD...s.asp#Download It's got a little of everything, but it does have plenty of limits. Don't overpay for it - it was only $65 Canadian at the time. 4 PCI slots (I might have had one of my CMI8738 sound cards in there...) 1 AGP8X slot (for my FX5200 AGP, Win98SE driver) 1 PCIe x16 slot (wired x4, there was a compatible video card list) (I never even tested this. I doubt Win98 has the arch for this either, as it would only have GART.) DDR400 two slots or DDR2-533 (it says 667 but just use low CAS DDR2-533 in it, as it's as stable as the Rock of Gibraltar that way.) Core2 Dual or Quad - try a dual core, as the quad slowed down a bit for some reason. - FSB is limited to FSB1066. I used an FSB800 processor. It would be nice to use an E8400 with FSB1333, but the chipset won't go that high on the FSB. I used an E4700, but there is also the E7600. The reason I didn't go with the E7600 is because I didn't know whether the chipset (overclocked when running at FSB1066) would handle it well or not. https://ark.intel.com/products/34441...Hz-800-MHz-FSB https://ark.intel.com/products/41495...z-1066-MHz-FSB The only time the amount of cache matters, is when you compress with 7ZIP. The R2 board (revision 2), they changed the clock generator chip, then they didn't update the BIOS file with driver code for the new clock generator. As a result, the board runs fine if you don't overclock. The clockgen accepts BSEL signals from the LGA775 socket that select the correct clock. However, if you enter the BIOS and even touch the knob to turn up the BCLK, the register writing code is all wrong for the new clock gen, and the board goes nuts. So you can't overclock using the BIOS. I did manage to overclock it, doing a BSEL socket mod and a VCore voltmod. But it wasn't stable so I turned it down again. It ran for about 10 minutes at 3.2GHz or so. A lot of fun for $65. The processor cost more than that. It only really has one egregious sin. I plugged my WinTV card into a PCI slot, and that triggers a workaround which *ruins* performance. As soon as you unplug the WinTV (BT878) card, everything returns to normal. I got another motherboard to replace it at that point, a board that would not flinch if a WinTV card was plugged in. I had no hint this was going to happen, until I plugged in the card. What happens when you plug in the WinTV card, is the disk drive sustained read drops to 30MB/sec. As time passes (around ten minutes), the disk drive drops to 20MB/sec. At that level of I/O, this gets tired fast. If I wanted that kind of speed, I'd use my Mac :-) On the plus side, that board is really easy on power consumption. The 65W processor uses 36W running Prime95, and the VIA chipset is a miser on power. Because there are no graphics in the Northbridge, and because the PCIe lane count is only x4 lanes, it doesn't really have a lot of high speed I/O. The AGP slot interface probably used more power than anything else on the Northbridge. The Southbridge only had two SATA ports, but the 8237S supports SATA II drives, so the thing isn't all bad. I've never tested any really fast drives on it, to see if it had any sins to report. Like, use an SSD on it. The board is really a "hackers delight". It's not the best choice for someone who expects an all-you-can-eat buffet. Everything you do is a little project. The best BIOS for the motherboard, is a hacked version done by a guy in Germany. Just to give you some idea. He didn't fix the clockgen though, as I don't know if the necessary code is floating around in the wild for that. What the hacked BIOS did have, was working EIST, something that Intel lawyers were trying to prevent Asrock from giving to customers. EIST changes the multiplier from say x9 to x6 on my other Core2 processor, to save power when the desktop is idle. Intel wanted to punish Asrock for continuing to ship a VIA chipset, by revoking their right to put EIST on the motherboard. The guy in Germany turned it back on again. The ease with which the guy in Germany turned it back on, tells me it was a legal issue, not a technical issue, that prevented Asrock from turning that on, BIOS release after BIOS release. Asrock never fixed that. What was weird, is they kept releasing new BIOS revisions, but there were a few things they just refused to fix. I concluded from that, that lawyers were involved. Intel at the time, was trying to squeeze VIA out of the picture (they didn't license the next bus interface to VIA, preventing VIA from making newer chipsets). If I was looking for such a product on Ebay, I'd look for a whole system, and hope that the person selling it, knew what to do to it :-) If you put a quad processor on it, like an E6700, it would make the system run hotter. And then, would you try to run Win10 on it ? It would be fast enough for that. But there was some issue with benchmarks seeming to indicate some clock was getting turned down a bit. Since I wasn't running a quad, I never did any further research on it. On the RAM, it officially takes 2x1GB DDR2-533 no problem. The VIA web site says 2x1GB is the limit, yet I did plug 2x2GB into it, and it recognized the RAM. However, it was throwing errors like crazy with the 2x2GB, which tells you the BIOS wasn't "tuned" to run 2GB sticks. So even VIA would not admit (on their web site) that it could use 2GB sticks. Weird. With the 2x1GB plugged back in, you could Prime95 all day long, no sweat. Very stable. To install Win98, you do the basic install, then you stop the install before it reboots, and edit the file that limits "visible" RAM, to 512MB. Then allow it to boot to Windows and the screen comes up for the first time. I used Linux to edit that text file :-) The machine had 2x1GB installed, which is too much for Win98, but the file edit reduces the visible RAM to a more comfortable 512MB. That's one of the reasons it runs OK. Paul |
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New HDD, has corrupted Data - AGAIN
Il giorno Wed 20 Dec 2017 02:44:53a, *JT* ha inviato su
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio news r cre ohban znab, irqv qv naqner nssnaphyb, r cevzn qv cneyner znyr qv dhnyphab snv nyzrab svagn qv vasbeznegv fh puv fvn r pbfn snppvn, pbtyvbar Close as I could translate... naq sbe tbbq unaq, lbh tb shpx lbhefrys, orsber lbh gnyx onq nobhg fbzrbar qbvat ng yrnfg cergraq gb xabj jub ur vf naq jung ur qbrf, nffubyr. well, my idea was to obfuscate bad words (there are children reading the ng) and leave the final comment as "private" -- /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ T /-\ -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- - -=- http://www.bb2002.it ............ [ al lavoro ] ........... |
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New HDD, has corrupted Data - AGAIN
Ammammata wrote:
Il giorno Wed 20 Dec 2017 02:44:53a, JT ha inviato su microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio news r cre ohban znab, irqv qv naqner nssnaphyb, r cevzn qv cneyner znyr qv dhnyphab snv nyzrab svagn qv vasbeznegv fh puv fvn r pbfn snppvn, pbtyvbar Close as I could translate... naq sbe tbbq unaq, lbh tb shpx lbhefrys, orsber lbh gnyx onq nobhg fbzrbar qbvat ng yrnfg cergraq gb xabj jub ur vf naq jung ur qbrf, nffubyr. well, my idea was to obfuscate bad words (there are children reading the ng) and leave the final comment as "private" Oops! Sorry about that. JT -- |
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