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  #31  
Old January 15th 14, 02:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
Computer Nerd Kev[_2_]
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Default It's time to Quit using Win98

In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion R.Wieser wrote:

I generally use www.keepvid.com,


Lol: That site only runs when you have JS enabled. Worse, it also expects
you to install Java. I also see that the JS tries to use an ActiveX
component (XMLHttpRequest).

All-in-all, exactly the kind of site I don't want to see. :-\


To quote myself:

Anyhow, you can click a link at the bottom of the pages to enable a HTML
version that doesn't use Java, though you need cookies enabled to do so.


But yes, you do need to enable Javascript. At one point there was a site
listed by deturl.com that I believe didn't use scripts. I think it went
down pretty soon after I discovered it though, perhaps worth a look.

As I believe the YouTube download URLs are generated on request, these URL
fetchers are probably far easier to design using scripting.

There is free software to download the videos too. But from what I've seen,
it looks less trustworthy than the website scripts.

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  #32  
Old January 15th 14, 09:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
R.Wieser
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Hey Kev,

To quote myself:

Anyhow, you can click a link at the bottom of the pages
to enable a HTML version that doesn't use Java,


Ah, I must have missed that in your message. But if it was once there, it
isn't anymore. :-\

As I believe the YouTube download URLs are generated on
request, these URL fetchers are probably far easier to design
using scripting.


Hmmm... So all the site does is to provide you a script which than allows
your browser to get the actual movie directly from YouTube (no further need
of that keepvid site) ? Maybe I should try to figure out how they are
doing it and recreate the method for myself. :-)

Either that, or the dynamic generation of the URL could be done with some
PHP on the keepvid site (as they need to do some transcoding on the movie
?), doing away with the need for the remaining JS.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion R.Wieser

wrote:

I generally use www.keepvid.com,


Lol: That site only runs when you have JS enabled. Worse, it also

expects
you to install Java. I also see that the JS tries to use an ActiveX
component (XMLHttpRequest).

All-in-all, exactly the kind of site I don't want to see. :-\


To quote myself:

Anyhow, you can click a link at the bottom of the pages to enable a

HTML
version that doesn't use Java, though you need cookies enabled to do

so.

But yes, you do need to enable Javascript. At one point there was a site
listed by deturl.com that I believe didn't use scripts. I think it went
down pretty soon after I discovered it though, perhaps worth a look.

As I believe the YouTube download URLs are generated on request, these URL
fetchers are probably far easier to design using scripting.

There is free software to download the videos too. But from what I've

seen,
it looks less trustworthy than the website scripts.

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  #33  
Old January 15th 14, 09:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
Axel Berger
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"R.Wieser" wrote:
Maybe I should try to figure out how they are
doing it and recreate the method for myself. :-)


As we're talking Win98: Set the write protect bit on the cached file and
it won't be deleted when you leave the site and van be renamed to *.flv.

In eXPeriomental they don't let you do that (which is why I never will
downgrade, I am the arbiter on my own computer). But what you can do
when the video is fully loaded is hit the hard reset button (yes, all my
cases and boards still have one). After reboot the file is all yours.

In those cases where the file isn't cached (so you can't come back and
view it without all those stops and starts, *******s!) or the browser
hides the cache so well, I could not yet find it (newer Opera) you're
stuck.

Axel
  #34  
Old January 16th 14, 02:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
Computer Nerd Kev[_2_]
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Default It's time to Quit using Win98

In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion R.Wieser wrote:
Hey Kev,

To quote myself:

Anyhow, you can click a link at the bottom of the pages
to enable a HTML version that doesn't use Java,


Ah, I must have missed that in your message. But if it was once there, it
isn't anymore. :-\


It's still there, but it uses Javascript (they're determined).

As I believe the YouTube download URLs are generated on
request, these URL fetchers are probably far easier to design
using scripting.


Hmmm... So all the site does is to provide you a script which than allows
your browser to get the actual movie directly from YouTube (no further need
of that keepvid site) ? Maybe I should try to figure out how they are
doing it and recreate the method for myself. :-)


There's probably some some good tecnical information hidden behind the wall
of adware Youtube downloaders that pop up with any Google search on the topic,
you just need to find it. There might even be a simple pre-made script.

A couple of years ago I worked out a fairly simple method for downlaoding
videos embedded in pages on the BBC website. They use RTMP video streams that
can be decoded with a program called RTMPdump. I used a grogram called (I
think) IPsniffer to follow the trail of identifier URLs and used that to
work out how to grab them without playing the video, then just plugged them
in (with some tweaking) to RTMPdump. Youtube doesen't use RTMP, but a similar
method might be usable.

Either that, or the dynamic generation of the URL could be done with some
PHP on the keepvid site (as they need to do some transcoding on the movie
?), doing away with the need for the remaining JS.


They have an MP3 download option that processes on demand and takes quite
some time (much longer than simply downloading it yourself and converting
it locally by the way, I'm not doing that again!). Considering that, I
doubt any of the video formats are converted by them (plus I think all the
download links are to the YouTube servers).

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  #35  
Old January 16th 14, 02:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
Computer Nerd Kev[_2_]
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Default It's time to Quit using Win98

In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion Axel Berger wrote:
"R.Wieser" wrote:
Maybe I should try to figure out how they are
doing it and recreate the method for myself. :-)


As we're talking Win98: Set the write protect bit on the cached file and
it won't be deleted when you leave the site and van be renamed to *.flv.


Thing is, that needs Flash installed and the will to use it. It's probably
harder to choose format and file size as well.

By the way, I know of (but have never used) FireFox plugins to effectively
add that function to the GUI as well.

In eXPeriomental they don't let you do that (which is why I never will
downgrade, I am the arbiter on my own computer). But what you can do
when the video is fully loaded is hit the hard reset button (yes, all my
cases and boards still have one). After reboot the file is all yours.


Ouch, well I guess if you're desperate. Also, I really have been living
under a rock in the computer world these last few years - I didn't know
they've stopped putting the reset button on. Wierd...

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  #36  
Old January 17th 14, 10:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default It's time to Quit using Win98

In message , Computer Nerd Kev
writes:
In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion Axel Berger
wrote:

[]
In eXPeriomental they don't let you do that (which is why I never will
downgrade, I am the arbiter on my own computer). But what you can do
when the video is fully loaded is hit the hard reset button (yes, all my
cases and boards still have one). After reboot the file is all yours.


Ouch, well I guess if you're desperate. Also, I really have been living
under a rock in the computer world these last few years - I didn't know
they've stopped putting the reset button on. Wierd...

In all cases I've encountered, though, holding in the power button
causes a hard shutdown - or of course you could cut the power.

FWIW, the DownloadHelper extra for Firefox brings up a list of links to
various qualities of the video currently being watched (sometimes a list
of only one, usually - especially for YouTube - several), and I don't
think these use on-the-fly conversion, I think they all come from the
YouTube (if it's YouTube you're looking at) server, since selecting one
seems to trigger an immediate download start. (If you pick the one
corresponding to the quality you're currently watching, the download can
appear instant.)

I'm not sure which versions of Firefox DownloadHelper works with, though
- possibly not as far back as 2.
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