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Old August 18th 13, 08:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?

"RobertMacy" wrote in message
newsp.w1yrgp2i2cx0wh@ajm...
A few days ago, after reading and replying to 1 posting, I could no loger
reply to any posting on the newsgroups through the Aioe access.
Kept getting an error message
Error 441 BanList, or something


#1 Your new IP number was is the Aioe -Ban-List
Try not Renewing your IP number all the time
#2 User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.64 (Win32)
Auto postings same IP number
To more then ten time a day
will get you put is the Aioe -Ban-List

#3 having to manly lines or a to big of a message
That was Reposted more the two time
Will get you put is the Aioe -Ban-List
For 24 hours
But a if Reposted more the two time
after 24 hours
Put is the Aioe -Ban-List for one year

User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.64 (Win32)
Reposting is not good will Aioe

At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names would come
in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank. It felt like being blocked.
The newsgroups from eternal-september kept coming in, and I could read
each, but not the ones through Aioe. Of course, can't seem to get any
posting through eternal-september, but at least could read. Seemed very
odd, since I only read down through approx 200-400 postings a day, and
barely respond to at most 10 a day so there should be no reason to get
blocked. Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away. Any
ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again?


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Old August 18th 13, 09:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
RobertMacy wrote:


http://aioe.org/index.php?terms-of-use

This is the one that always F-me 98 Guy

Each body line of an article must be shorter than 160 characters.
Quoted, blank and empty lines must be less than 80% of total body.
A quoted line begins with "" or "|", a blank line contains only spaces
an empty one includes only a single newline ("\n") character.
The argument of the Date header must be correct.
Often spammers send messages with
a future date in order to become visible
in the top of article list on clients which sort their groups by date;
this implies that sender's system clock has to be properly configured.


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Old August 18th 13, 09:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"RobertMacy"

Opera 'checks' Usenet groups every 5 minutes,

Turn it off
you do not need Auto-Checks
with Free-News-Servers
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Old August 19th 13, 03:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?

Hot-Text wrote:

http://aioe.org/index.php?terms-of-use

This is the one that always F-me 98 Guy

Each body line of an article must be shorter than 160 characters.


Once in a while I'll post a long URL, and I'll get the "line too long"
error. But I'll just break the URL somewhere with a CR/LF and re-post,
and the server will take it.

Quoted, blank and empty lines must be less than 80% of total body.


Because I know how to properly edit my replies with inline quotes, I
never get hit with that rule.

The argument of the Date header must be correct.


I've never been hit with violating that rule, but I am curious as to
what sort of error message AIOE returns when your date or time-stamp is
way off.
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Old August 19th 13, 04:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

No, it's how a lot of people do it (and a feature of many news
clients). You _may_ have highlighted a reason not to do it
with _some_ news servers.


I still think that polling for new usenet posts makes no sense.

Your mail client polls for new email but it does so while it's tucked
away in the background, and (usually) only announces new mail with an
indicator icon in the system try. It's useful to know when you have new
mail because (unless it's spam) it's directed at you, it pertains to
you, it might be important to you, etc. The person sending the mail
benefits when there is a short time-delay in getting a reply from you,
and hence frequent polling cuts down the time-delay in email
conversations.

Unless you are having an active discussion on usenet, almost none of the
above reasons apply to polling for new usenet messages. And even when
you are having an active discussion, simply clicking off and then back
on the group will cause your reader to refresh the group message list,
and you can keep up with new messages "in real time" - certainly faster
than a polling method with settings in terms of minutes.

messages is printed beside each group. At this point, Communicator
doesn't actually go out and get any message headers for any groups.


(Do you mean it doesn't get message _bodies_? Surely in order to check
"the current message-count" it needs headers. Or are you going on some
sort of serial number that the server puts on each message?)


Communicator (and most purpose-built usenet clients I would imagine)
know how many new posts in any given newsgroup are sitting on a server
*without* having to download any of the messages or even the message
headers.

In fact, Communicator has a setting for the max number of new message
headers to download. In other words, if I subscribe to a new group (or
visit an active group infrequently) there may be hundreds or thousands
of posts sitting on the server that are "new" (new for me anyways) even
if they are days, weeks or months old. I can tell Communictor that my
limit is 500 posts, and when I open a group that has more than 500 "new"
posts, it will only download the message headers for the most-recent 500
posts, and mark the remaining ones as "read" (red).

I click on any given post in the top pane, and the post is
displayed in the lower pane. It's a lot like reading e-mail.


(Obviously at some point your news client has downloaded the bodies
of the posts as well as the headers - or maybe it's doing so as you
get to them.)


It downloads the headers immediately when I click on a group in the left
pane - up to the limit that I mentioned above. It displays the
message-subject, sender, time/date stamp for each post, 1 per line, in
the top pane of the right side. The entire history of all posts
(subject, sender, date/time) seems to be cached indefinately. There are
some groups that I can go back and see the subjects, sender, date/time
going back to 2008. But if I click on any of those old posts (to
display them in the lower pane) I'm told the post is no longer on the
server, at which point I can elect to remove all posts that are no
longer on the server from this cache. AIOE caches posts for something
like 40 or 60 days.

What you describe is fairly normal for newsreaders, too. (_I_
used to use Netscape for news too, at work, many years ago; from
what I remember it was a good news client.)


I couldn't imaging using anything else for reading/posting to usenet.

If I click to a new group, all posts in the current group are
treated as "old" even if I haven't viewed all of the new posts.


That would drive me nuts, but each to his own. It might even be
an optional setting.)


I'm wrong about that. It's not the number of "new" messages that is
displayed along side each group in the left pane - it's the number of
unread messages. If I leave a group without reading all the new
messages, the count of unread messages is maintained and added to later
if I go back to that group and it has new messages.

In many groups, if there is a new thread that is started and I'm not
interested in following it, I mark it as "ignore". From that point on,
all posts in that thread won't show up in the message-list in the top
pane.

If I want to leave a group but mark all posts as "read" (red), I
right-click and select "mark group as read".

So, basically, _you_ trigger a fetch of new posts (or at least a new
count), by - in one of at least two ways - going out of and then coming
back in to a 'group.


Yes.

Of course, we're making assumptions about what constitutes a
"session" here; unless someone quotes something unambiguous
from the AIOE Ts and Cs (if it is even clarified there), we
won't know one way or another.


-----------
Each IP address is authorized to post 25 messages per day and the
posting rights are suspended for 24 hours if more than three messages
are rejected in a day. Each post must be sent to less than three groups
(crosspost) and each one can include at most three followup groups.
Maximum allowed size is 32 KB per article and 2 KB per header. Only two
concurrent connections per IP address are allowed and 400 connections
per day are accepted from each IP address.
------------

That's from he

http://www.aioe.org/

There are 1440 minutes in a day. 1440 / 400 = 3.6.

A connection could end, say, a minute after the last packet exchanged
between client/server. In which case, checking for new messages every 3
minutes would put you up against the 400-connection limit at close to
the 24-hour mark, assuming your computer is on 24/7 along with the
usenet client.
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Old August 30th 13, 02:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?

RobertMacy wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september


This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have
noticed, because I don't read a LOT of these postings

I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via e-t,
However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or post,
though e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly, Well, duh!
So exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.


In your newsreader program, you need to select "Always request authentication".
Such a tick box can be seen in the preferences here. It causes the
client to volunteer your username and password for that account.

http://www.netfaqs.com/macintosh/Mai...dit/Edit02.png

The process with news servers is a bit screwy. You would think
the server would just prompt for a username and password. But
instead, the client offers the info. And so you have to
set up the client program, to send in your details. With E-S
you want it enabled, with AIOE it should be disabled.

And E-S makes this harder, by supported both unauthenticated
as well as authenticated operation.

If you connect to E-S without using the username and password,
a grand total of 12 newsgroups are available. These are the
eternal-september support groups. This provides a way for new
users, to request help. That is why there are only the
dozen or so groups in the list. They're help groups of some sort.

If you have selected the "Always request authentication" option,
then on login there will be thousands of newsgroups to read or
post to. When you fetch the newsgroup list, it'll be a lot larger.

Paul
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Old August 30th 13, 03:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:12:32 -0700, Paul wrote:

RobertMacy wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september

This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have
noticed, because I don't read a LOT of these postings
I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via
e-t, However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or post,
though e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly, Well,
duh! So exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.


In your newsreader program, you need to select "Always request
authentication".
Such a tick box can be seen in the preferences here. It causes the
client to volunteer your username and password for that account.

http://www.netfaqs.com/macintosh/Mai...dit/Edit02.png

The process with news servers is a bit screwy. You would think
the server would just prompt for a username and password. But
instead, the client offers the info. And so you have to
set up the client program, to send in your details. With E-S
you want it enabled, with AIOE it should be disabled.

And E-S makes this harder, by supported both unauthenticated
as well as authenticated operation.

If you connect to E-S without using the username and password,
a grand total of 12 newsgroups are available. These are the
eternal-september support groups. This provides a way for new
users, to request help. That is why there are only the
dozen or so groups in the list. They're help groups of some sort.

If you have selected the "Always request authentication" option,
then on login there will be thousands of newsgroups to read or
post to. When you fetch the newsgroup list, it'll be a lot larger.

Paul


Thank you for your response.

google access has now completely pushed themselves OUT of the picture.

Still can't respond through e-s, but can through aioe, like now.


Can't find ANY location in my newsreader [Opera 9.64] to select the
'authentication...'

However, a few days ago same problem - no bodies of postings. So tried an
experiment. Cleaned my browser, rebooted, and got back online. Could view
all again.

So concluded something may be happening here, not there.
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Old August 30th 13, 09:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?

RobertMacy wrote:
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 06:12:32 -0700, Paul wrote:

RobertMacy wrote:
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo wrote:

...snip...
Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose.
I mainly use eternal-september
This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have
noticed, because I don't read a LOT of these postings
I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via
e-t, However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or
post, though e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly,
Well, duh! So exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate.


In your newsreader program, you need to select "Always request
authentication".
Such a tick box can be seen in the preferences here. It causes the
client to volunteer your username and password for that account.

http://www.netfaqs.com/macintosh/Mai...dit/Edit02.png


The process with news servers is a bit screwy. You would think
the server would just prompt for a username and password. But
instead, the client offers the info. And so you have to
set up the client program, to send in your details. With E-S
you want it enabled, with AIOE it should be disabled.

And E-S makes this harder, by supported both unauthenticated
as well as authenticated operation.

If you connect to E-S without using the username and password,
a grand total of 12 newsgroups are available. These are the
eternal-september support groups. This provides a way for new
users, to request help. That is why there are only the
dozen or so groups in the list. They're help groups of some sort.

If you have selected the "Always request authentication" option,
then on login there will be thousands of newsgroups to read or
post to. When you fetch the newsgroup list, it'll be a lot larger.

Paul


Thank you for your response.

google access has now completely pushed themselves OUT of the picture.

Still can't respond through e-s, but can through aioe, like now.


Can't find ANY location in my newsreader [Opera 9.64] to select the
'authentication...'

However, a few days ago same problem - no bodies of postings. So tried
an experiment. Cleaned my browser, rebooted, and got back online. Could
view all again.

So concluded something may be happening here, not there.


It's under Accounts : Properties : Servers then Authentication.
By default it is set to None. Try Auto, load a Username and Password
for your E-S account.

Paul
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