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Playing MIDIs with Win98's original SB16 OPL3 sound card
I keep running into dead ends here. I have a modern i7 machine with
Windows XP and Microsoft's GS Wavetable SW for MIDI which sounds different than the one I remember in Win95/98 when I used Voyetra AudioStation to mess with MIDIs. I tried Virtualbox which doesn't simulate the old OPL3 MIDI device, I tried Microsoft's VirtualPC 2007 which simulates it horribly to the point that it's unlistenable. I was hoping you guys could help me out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ome3vfadYvs That's how the MIDIs are supposed to sound like. http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/midi/GROOVE.MID |
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Playing MIDIs with Win98's original SB16 OPL3 sound card
zarlox_670 wrote:
I keep running into dead ends here. I have a modern i7 machine with Windows XP and Microsoft's GS Wavetable SW for MIDI which sounds different than the one I remember in Win95/98 when I used Voyetra AudioStation to mess with MIDIs. I tried Virtualbox which doesn't simulate the old OPL3 MIDI device, I tried Microsoft's VirtualPC 2007 which simulates it horribly to the point that it's unlistenable. I was hoping you guys could help me out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ome3vfadYvs That's how the MIDIs are supposed to sound like. http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/midi/GROOVE.MID Have you considered buying some midi-specific hardware? -- - You're such a pig-****er, Philip! - Terence, why would you call me a pig ****er? - Well, let's see... First of all, you **** pigs. - Oh, yeah. |
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Playing MIDIs with Win98's original SB16 OPL3 sound card
On Feb 23, 8:39*am, "Auric__" wrote:
zarlox_670 wrote: I keep running into dead ends here. I have a modern i7 machine with Windows XP and Microsoft's GS Wavetable SW for MIDI which sounds different than the one I remember in Win95/98 when I used Voyetra AudioStation to mess with MIDIs. I tried Virtualbox which doesn't simulate the old OPL3 MIDI device, I tried Microsoft's VirtualPC 2007 which simulates it horribly to the point that it's unlistenable. I was hoping you guys could help me out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ome3vfadYvsThat's how the MIDIs are supposed to sound like. http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/midi/GROOVE.MID Have you considered buying some midi-specific hardware? -- - You're such a pig-****er, Philip! * - Terence, why would you call me a pig ****er? - Well, let's see... First of all, you **** pigs. * - Oh, yeah. Like what? And no, not really. 'Was hoping it could be properly virtualized or if an OPL3 soundfont existed. |
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Playing MIDIs with Win98's original SB16 OPL3 sound card
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I tried Virtualbox which doesn't simulate the old OPL3 MIDI device, As I read from he https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=9918 ============ 2. Sound /Audio Integration. In VirtualBox, you must enable Sound, and use "Sound Blaster 16". It is available since VBox 1.6.0. The procedure for installation is rather simple: NOTE: The procedure below is only needed if you switch from AC'97 to SB16. It is not needed, if you create new VM with SB16, then install Win98 on it. 2.1. Delete your sound card device and all unknown devices from "Device Manager". 2.2 Add New Hardware (from Control Panel). ============== Now I don't know if Virtualbox will emulate AC97 sound when running Win-98, but even if it can't (did you try?) I would have thought that "Sound Blaster 16" device would have had midi functionality. |
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Playing MIDIs with Win98's original SB16 OPL3 sound card
On Feb 23, 9:18*am, 98 Guy wrote:
I would have thought that "Sound Blaster 16" device would have had midi functionality. It doesn't. |
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Playing MIDIs with Win98's original SB16 OPL3 sound card
On Feb 23, 9:52*am, wrote:
On Feb 23, 9:18*am, 98 Guy wrote: I would have thought that "Sound Blaster 16" device would have had midi functionality. It doesn't. https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52843 |
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Playing MIDIs with Win98's original SB16 OPL3 sound card
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I have a modern i7 machine with Windows XP and Microsoft's GS Wavetable SW for MIDI which sounds different than the one I remember in Win95/98 when I used Voyetra AudioStation to mess with MIDIs. Just in case you're interested, I played your sample midi file: http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/midi/GROOVE.MID On my win-98 system (with on-board AC-97 audio) and while it was playing, I used sndrec32.exe to record it to a wav file. If you want to hear what this midi file sounds like, here's the wav file: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/6/...408/groove.wav The file is about 10 mb in size. |
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Playing MIDIs with Win98's original SB16 OPL3 sound card
On Feb 23, 11:27*am, 98 Guy wrote:
wrote: I have a modern i7 machine with Windows XP and Microsoft's GS Wavetable SW for MIDI which sounds different than the one I remember in Win95/98 when I used Voyetra AudioStation to mess with MIDIs. Just in case you're interested, I played your sample midi file: http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/midi/GROOVE.MID On my win-98 system (with on-board AC-97 audio) and while it was playing, I used sndrec32.exe to record it to a wav file. *If you want to hear what this midi file sounds like, here's the wav file: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/6/...408/groove.wav The file is about 10 mb in size. Your system is using the GS Wavetable SW MIDI device, the same as mine. All computers made after 2000 come with AC'97 cards. There's nothing wrong with the new MIDI device, but MIDIs sequenced and intended to be listened with the old OPL3 MIDI device don't sound as good on the more modern ones. As a Win98 purist, you should be apalled that you don't have a genuine Win98 environment. See the YouTube link for how groove.mid should really sound like. Also, next time you upload audio, consider compressing with MP3, make sure its not clipped (lower your volume, god), if you refuse to compress then use a 22 khz samplerate as MIDIs are not sampled above that anyway. |
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Playing MIDIs with Win98's original SB16 OPL3 sound card
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ome3vfadYvs http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/midi/GROOVE.MID http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/6/...408/groove.wav Your system is using the GS Wavetable SW MIDI device, the same as mine. All computers made after 2000 come with AC'97 cards. There's nothing wrong with the new MIDI device, but MIDIs sequenced and intended to be listened with the old OPL3 MIDI device don't sound as good on the more modern ones. Well, I beg to disagree. I have listened to both my .wav recording and your version on youtube, and hands down I think the musical quality (instrument quality) of my ..wav file is superior. I clearly hear the aliasing in the youtube version when the high-hat is tapped. It sounds awful. You might want to read this, particularly the last sentence in the first paragraph: http://www.schristiancollins.com/generaluser.php ==================== About GeneralUser GS GeneralUser GS is a GM and GS compatible SoundFont bank for composing or playing MIDI files. There are currently versions for use with FluidSynth (or Qsynth), MuseScore, Sound Blaster Live!/Audigy/X-fi sound cards, and other SoundFont-compatible hardware and software synthesizers. For owners of Sound Blaster audio cards, GeneralUser GS can greatly enhance the sound quality of GM/GS compatible MIDI files when loaded into the sound card's RAM. Compared with the default SoundFonts that Creative Labs ships with their sound cards, the instrument sounds in GeneralUser GS are far more realistic. Although GeneralUser GS was originally designed for use with Sound Blaster audio cards, most recent development has been for the excellent FluidSynth, the best software SoundFont player available, in my opinion. It also sounds quite good on many other softsynths, although not all are guaranteed to sound fully correct. ===================== I went out and downloaded the GeneralUser_GS_1.44 sound-font file and installed it in my VLC player (it uses fluidsynth), so now VLC can play midi files. The wav file that I recorded earlier was played by Windows Media Player 9. I don't know what sound-font WMP is using - if any. I've played the mid file with both WMP and VLC and I can't hear any difference. For those that are interested, here's the link to the sound-font file: http://www.schristiancollins.com/sou...FluidSynth.zip As a Win98 purist, you should be apalled that you don't have a genuine Win98 environment. I don't see how having AC-97 audio hardware (not the inferior SB16 sound card) makes my system any less of a "pure" win-98 system. By late 1999 or early 2000, many win-98se systems came from the factory with motherboards that had on-board AC-97 hardware. See the YouTube link for how groove.mid should really sound like. Yes, and as I've said, it sounds awful compared to my version. I welcome others to weigh in with their opinions. On a tangent, I found this in the wikipedia entry for Sound card: -------------- Crippling of features Most new soundcards no longer have the audio loopback device commonly called "Stereo Mix"/"Wave out mix"/"Mono Mix"/"What U Hear" that was once very prevalent and that allows users to digitally record speaker output to the microphone input. Many users suspect the RIAA is responsible for colluding with or pressuring computer and soundcard manufacturers to disable this and other features because of their ability to be used for copyright infringement (although many legitimate uses exist for this feature), but no proof of this currently exists. However, virtually no other answers exist as to why computer and soundcard manufacturers have been discontinuing this feature. No notice or information is usually given to consumers of the exclusion or inclusion of the feature when purchasing or in specifications. Lenovo and other manufacturers fail to implement the chipset feature in hardware, while other manufacturers disable the driver from supporting it. In some cases loopback can be reinstated with driver updates (as in the case of some Dell computers); alternatively software (Total Recorder) can be purchased to enable the functionality. According to Microsoft, the functionality was hidden by default in Windows Vista (to reduce user confusion), but is still available, as long as the underlying sound card drivers and hardware support it. ---------------- This is what allowed me to easily record to wav file the audio signal why the midi file was being played. I have used this sound-recording feature a few other times when recording music being played (streamed) from various web sites. |
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Playing MIDIs with Win98's original SB16 OPL3 sound card
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I was hoping you guys could help me out. I have no idea how far you'll get with this: TiMidity++ Windows Synthesizer http://en.sourceforge.jp/projects/twsynth/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/twsynth/ http://twsynth.sourceforge.net/ =========== What's TWSYNTH TWSYNTH is a TiMidity++'s synthesizer engine which has Windows Midi Input feature. Use it with an Midi loopback device, it works like a Windows Midi Output device. So all softs with Midi Output feture can acess TiMIdity++ synthesizer engine!! Enjoy !! exellent TiMidity++ MIDI sound!! =========== It might run on win-98, or you might need to also install KernelEx. Have a look at this thread: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?p=213314 |
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