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  #11  
Old April 18th 09, 08:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Lucas Wader-Magneto
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As for Kerio 2.l.5
Shane is right cant be used, but I did for years on Win Me but hast
been updated since Oct.06 and now its V. 4.x from Sunbelt and 3
months trial.


No, it *can* be used. I've been running 2.1.5 - with Windows Firewall
enabled - in XP since pre-SP1. I have it running right now in SP3, with
Windows Firewall and a router with hardware firewall. Once upon a time - and
before the router, not that the router is a drain - this was with a measly
256MB RAM, without performance issues.

The Sunbelt continuation of Kerio PF is still free, it just runs in full
mode for however long (3 months?), after which if you don't want the extras
it continues in basic mode. I doubt it would be as compatible with Windows
Firewall as 2.1.5 is, so I would turn the latter off were I running it. And
I would be running it were it not for I only need one for monitoring
outboound traffic - and you can't get much less obtrusive than 2.1.5 (as you
doubtless know!).

I also use it - or variations thereof (2.1.4 - and the Tiny version) in
virtual machines that are themselves behind the router and running on XP
running 2.1.5 and WF!

Shane


  #12  
Old April 19th 09, 12:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Corday[_3_]
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I'm a strong believer in both a router firewall and a good one (not MSs built
in) on the computer. Speaking of firewalls, don't listen to the ISP rep who
suggests using the same password for the router as the Administrator sign on.
Before the jokes about me using two condoms, yes I believe in protect,
protect, protect.
--
I mastered Wordstar graphics!


"Lucas Wader-Magneto" wrote:


And FWIW, if you connect up a 3rd party firewall and/or a router, they
automatically turn the XP firewall off.


Modern ones do. Kerio 2.1.5 doesn't. I don't know about the other old ones,
as I don't consider any of them unobtrusive enough or light on resources to
run alongside other firewalls and/or solely for monitoring outbound traffic.

I've been running it continuously since before XP, on XP since '02, and with
a router w. firewall for the last 2 years.

The only point of running Windows Firewall in conjunction with a hardware
firewall is in the situation along the lines of: your router calls it a day
so you reconnect your old USB modem. If you've been running with no software
firewall for months, or even years, odds are you'll forget to turn it back
on, so - if it doesn't interfere with anything - leave it enabled. But
neither let you know what's trying to get out.


Shane



  #13  
Old April 19th 09, 12:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
webster72n
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"Corday" wrote in message
...
I'm a strong believer in both a router firewall and a good one (not MSs
built
in) on the computer. Speaking of firewalls, don't listen to the ISP rep
who
suggests using the same password for the router as the Administrator sign
on.
Before the jokes about me using two condoms, yes I believe in protect,
protect, protect.


Do you not provide the best protection yourself, Corday?
And I don't mean this to be a smart or funny remark either. H.

--
I mastered Wordstar graphics!


"Lucas Wader-Magneto" wrote:


And FWIW, if you connect up a 3rd party firewall and/or a router, they
automatically turn the XP firewall off.


Modern ones do. Kerio 2.1.5 doesn't. I don't know about the other old
ones,
as I don't consider any of them unobtrusive enough or light on resources
to
run alongside other firewalls and/or solely for monitoring outbound
traffic.

I've been running it continuously since before XP, on XP since '02, and
with
a router w. firewall for the last 2 years.

The only point of running Windows Firewall in conjunction with a hardware
firewall is in the situation along the lines of: your router calls it a
day
so you reconnect your old USB modem. If you've been running with no
software
firewall for months, or even years, odds are you'll forget to turn it
back
on, so - if it doesn't interfere with anything - leave it enabled. But
neither let you know what's trying to get out.


Shane



  #14  
Old April 19th 09, 12:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
N. Miller
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On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:33:29 +0100, Lucas Wader-Magneto wrote:

And I do not get the widespread recommendation not to run a 3rd party
firewall. In XP, Kerio 2.1.5 does not interfere with either the Windows
Firewall or routers and why on earth anyone would *not* want something
alerting one to malware trying to phone home (or without a 3rd party
firewall, *actually* phoning home) I do not understand for one moment.


I got tired of those popups, and configured my firewall in such a way that I
did not see them; then realized that I was being sufficiently permissive as
to not catch malware that way, anyway. So I was negating that very feature
you flog as "protective". Just as well to not have that firewall as to
ignore those popups.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.
  #15  
Old April 19th 09, 12:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Mr Gruber
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N. Miller wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:33:29 +0100, Lucas Wader-Magneto wrote:

And I do not get the widespread recommendation not to run a 3rd party
firewall. In XP, Kerio 2.1.5 does not interfere with either the
Windows Firewall or routers and why on earth anyone would *not* want
something alerting one to malware trying to phone home (or without a
3rd party firewall, *actually* phoning home) I do not understand for
one moment.


I got tired of those popups, and configured my firewall in such a way
that I did not see them; then realized that I was being sufficiently
permissive as to not catch malware that way, anyway. So I was
negating that very feature you flog as "protective". Just as well to
not have that firewall as to ignore those popups.


I thought you knew what you were talking about, but apparently...

Shane


  #16  
Old April 19th 09, 09:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Hamish Architrave
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webster72n wrote:
"Corday" wrote in message
...
I'm a strong believer in both a router firewall and a good one (not
MSs built
in) on the computer. Speaking of firewalls, don't listen to the ISP
rep who
suggests using the same password for the router as the Administrator
sign on.
Before the jokes about me using two condoms, yes I believe in
protect, protect, protect.


Do you not provide the best protection yourself, Corday?
And I don't mean this to be a smart or funny remark either. H.


He *did* say 3 'protects'.

Shane


  #17  
Old April 19th 09, 07:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
webster72n
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"Hamish Architrave" wrote in message
...
webster72n wrote:
"Corday" wrote in message
...
I'm a strong believer in both a router firewall and a good one (not
MSs built
in) on the computer. Speaking of firewalls, don't listen to the ISP
rep who
suggests using the same password for the router as the Administrator
sign on.
Before the jokes about me using two condoms, yes I believe in
protect, protect, protect.


Do you not provide the best protection yourself, Corday?
And I don't mean this to be a smart or funny remark either. H.


He *did* say 3 'protects'.


Right you are, Shane, again g.


Shane

 




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