How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

I wish it just booted to the desktop without /anything/.

You're asking for too little.

I'm getting old... I'm still a jerk, but getting a lot less
demanding...

LOL!

SNIP

I got these in this order when briefly set to show the MS
logo...

(1) COMPAQ logo screen from BIOS.
While showing, I can hit F10 for BIOS Setup.
If BIOS were to post messages, I guess it would be
here.

Mine says "press [something] for POST messages". I looked it up,
but I forget what it was... Didn't make much sense...

My 7470 Desktop just has a the big, red COMPAQ & a blinking curser that
jumps left/right. I must press F10 in between jumps, if I want to get
into BIOS Setup.

You seem to have something extra. If I were willing to trust my memory
this soon after it lied, I'd probably say I doubt I ever saw my BIOS
post a message. For a while a while ago, it was beeping at me quickly
thrice-- but that's gone away! Before that, it was beeping once or
twice-- but I'm fairly sure that's gone too now!

[BTW, I tried the BIOS logo flash utility... it has a variety of
weird restrictions AFA the "image", and it took about twenty
times and the furthest I got was "image palette error" or
something, but I did it just like it's supposed to be, RLE
compressed BMP and everything, 64KB or less... Who cares...

You mean just to alter the Compaq logo screen? I can only guess on that.
Looks like Zabkar is the one for that. Somewhere in the course of this
thread, I came to believe you already had changed your Compaq logo to be
Natashia. I see I was wrong, & you actually said it was the Win98Lite
Logo.sys that was changed.

OK. But THAT should block out Config.sys & Autoexec.bat!

(2) MS Startup Menu.
Mine is set for 10 seconds in MSDOS.sys...
BootMenu=1
BootMenuDelay=10
But hit ENTER, & it goes away immediately.

This I knew, and in spite of getting old, 3 or 5 secs is enough
for me.

I didn't like it that short.

Hit any key, & it stays until ENTER is pressed.

This I did NOT know... No, wait a minute, I did know from my
fingers having done it gazibillions of times... just not
consciously...

Uh-huh. That's how I knew too.

(3) MS logo screen-- Logo.sys in C:\ or the one in IO.sys.
Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys.
This is where DOS would show when Logo=0.

Yup.

Right. But you see it with Logo=1?

(4) The Windows desktop & its wallpaper.
R-Clk Desktop, Properties.

Sure... but what is the point of mentioning it here?

I became mixed up somehow. I thought you were seeing Natashia twice with
(what might be) DOS in between. I thought wallpaper might be the 2nd
Natashia after your Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there
are two).

If "@ECHO OFF" controls what you see, what you see is the DOS of
Config.sys & Autoexec.bat. But those shouldn't show when Logo=1 in
MSDOS.sys. The MS logo hid that for me.

Also shows the autoexec.bat file, which I can ECHO out but
then it shows the c:\ECHO OFF

That shouldn't be! It should be obscured behind the MS
logo.

Many things SHOULD BE in MS products. I just look3d at my MS-DOS
5 book... At the time of its printing, the MS slogan used to be
"Making it all make sense[TM]".

Right.

Uh-huh. I'm certainly about to give up. I see System Commander may be
involved too. I must leave that between you & MEB.

That's what happened here. Are you sure you are set
Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys? Can it be the 2nd Frenchwoman you see
is the wallpaer?

I already /told you/ she's Canadian! And it's the same Windows
logo.sys but for SOME reason the damn startup menu interrupts it
every time!

I thought for sure it was a dancing Frenchwoman. My Startup Menu shows
up BEFORE my Logo.sys. MSDOS.sys is before the menu. IO.sys is before
MSDOS.sys. MBR boot code is before IO.sys. BIOS is before MBR boot code.

Could be System Commander has changed one of the 10 commandments for
you-- as MEB seems to be saying. I can't say for sure!

I got really fed up with wallpapers a long time ago, after
collecting about a zillion of them... made some of my own too...
Way too much free time... Now I don't even have a custom color
scheme - I'm on plum now IIRC... I went to a lot of trouble to
set up an all greyshade scheme and I have it saved,

I can see all that. Now/then I switch Desktop Themes, but I hardly look
much at the Desktop, really.

but for some
reason on my "new" "monitor", (LG 17", last new CRT I could find
around here) it shows up in very faint shades of colors. I MAY
have had the graphics set to High Color not 32bit, like I do
now, but for now I don't see much point in checking if the
greyscale scheme look OK now or not... Do I sound a little
jaded?

I don't know. And I don't really want to talk about monitors. This is
the 3rd one about to go! An Envision EN5400e! I was so happy with it at
first! Now, its buttons won't work-- even the on/off button must be
pressed multiple times to work. And a week/so ago-- it was going on/off
by itself while I was trying to post! I often find it has gone on by
itself overnight! But my colors are fine.

Sigh. Maybe I should use the F8 (IIRC) method for the
startup menu...

No! Just hit the ENTER key or set it quicker in MSDOS.sys!

It's set for 3 or 5 secs, but the damn thing returns for 30
seconds every time I boot Windows...

That's pretty odd. I'm guessing...

(a) "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button"
(b) Uncheck "Enable Startup Menu"
(c) Reboot -- I guess -- to enable MSConfig to complete,
or check inside MSDOS.sys to see whether it's done.
(d) Open MSDOS.sys & manually enter...
BootMenu=0
BootMenuDelay=5

When set through MSConfig, you get 30 seconds. Can it be doing it each
boot? I am unchecked in MSConfig & still get my menu (for 10 seconds).

Sigh...

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:37:33 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:38:45 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:

These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

That sounds like a possibility. And that is your startup screen? I
have no way to look into my own BIOS.

Those modules were extracted using AMI's amibcp.exe utility.

Would it work for me?

I don't think so.

OK, thanks. Are you sure you've got your "c" & your "k" in the right
places...?...

- Franc Zabkar

:-).

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:37:33 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:38:45 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:

These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

That sounds like a possibility. And that is your startup screen? I
have no way to look into my own BIOS.

Those modules were extracted using AMI's amibcp.exe utility.

Would it work for me?

I don't think so.

OK, thanks. Are you sure you've got your "c" & your "k" in the right
places...?...

- Franc Zabkar

:-).

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

You seem to have something extra. If I were willing to
trust my memory this soon after it lied, I'd probably say I
doubt I ever saw my BIOS post a message. For a while a
while ago, it was beeping at me quickly thrice-- but that's
gone away! Before that, it was beeping once or twice-- but
I'm fairly sure that's gone too now!

Beeps MAY indicate memory and other problems. Look on the HP
site and find out what the beeps mean for your machine.

[BTW, I tried the BIOS logo flash utility... it has a
variety of weird restrictions AFA the "image", and it took
about twenty times and the furthest I got was "image
palette error" or something, but I did it just like it's
supposed to be, RLE compressed BMP and everything, 64KB or
less... Who cares...

You mean just to alter the Compaq logo screen? I can only
guess on that. Looks like Zabkar is the one for that.
Somewhere in the course of this thread, I came to believe
you already had changed your Compaq logo to be Natashia. I
see I was wrong, & you actually said it was the Win98Lite
Logo.sys that was changed.

Right, and BECAUSE OF YOU AND YOUR NAGGING ;-) I ended up trying
to flash the stupid BIOS Logo, and the only thing left to try is
to alter the original (the ONLY thing the damn program WOULD do
was to save the original logo so I have it as a BMP file now and
can try editing it instead of making a /new/ BMP RLE file to
their /STUPID SPECS/.

OK. But THAT should block out Config.sys & Autoexec.bat!

(2) MS Startup Menu.
Mine is set for 10 seconds in MSDOS.sys...
BootMenu=1
BootMenuDelay=10
But hit ENTER, & it goes away immediately.

This I knew, and in spite of getting old, 3 or 5 secs is
enough for me.

I didn't like it that short.

Size doesn't matter.

SNIP

Right. But you see it with Logo=1?

Yes. How many more times do I have to tell you?

It pops into Natasha for 30 seconds. And what the hell gave you
ANY idea she is dancing? I know these days it appears mandatory
for all dancers and backup singers to wear bikinis (for lack of
a better term), and I did say she is wearing a white bikini, but
please do not confuse a startup screen with the "virtual girl"
annoyance.

(4) The Windows desktop & its wallpaper.
R-Clk Desktop, Properties.

Sure... but what is the point of mentioning it here?

I became mixed up somehow. I thought you were seeing
Natashia twice with (what might be) DOS in between.

YES.

I /DO/, but only when the Windows 98 (DOS shell) is starting...
way past BIOS!

I thought wallpaper might be the 2nd Natashia after your

Natasha. Are you just trying to drive me crazy? Is that what
this thread is about now?

Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there are
two).

No offense, but either you ARE trying to drive me crazy or we
seem to have a slight cognitive mismatch... This is really
beginning to remind me of some group therapy arguments I was
part of in the good old days...

Anyway, I won't repeat what I already said 3 or 4 times...

If "@ECHO OFF" controls what you see, what you see is the
DOS of Config.sys & Autoexec.bat. But those shouldn't show
when Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys. The MS logo hid that for me.

Also shows the autoexec.bat file, which I can ECHO out
but then it shows the c:\ECHO OFF

That shouldn't be! It should be obscured behind the MS
logo.

Many things SHOULD BE in MS products. I just look3d at my
MS-DOS 5 book... At the time of its printing, the MS
slogan used to be "Making it all make sense[TM]".

Right.

Uh-huh. I'm certainly about to give up. I see System
Commander may be involved too. I must leave that between
you & MEB.

I dumped System Manager. I thought I'd play around with Damn
Small Linux (I ran it from a virtual drive and it works great)
but what's the point.

That's what happened here. Are you sure you are set
Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys? Can it be the 2nd Frenchwoman you
see is the wallpaer?

I already /told you/ she's Canadian! And it's the same
Windows logo.sys but for SOME reason the damn startup menu
interrupts it every time!

I thought for sure it was a dancing Frenchwoman. My Startup
Menu shows up BEFORE my Logo.sys. MSDOS.sys is before the
menu. IO.sys is before MSDOS.sys. MBR boot code is before
IO.sys. BIOS is before MBR boot code.

Could be System Commander has changed one of the 10
commandments for you-- as MEB seems to be saying. I can't
say for sure!

It ALWAYS happened this way with 98SE. For about 4 or so years
I've had this computer.

I got really fed up with wallpapers a long time ago, after
collecting about a zillion of them... made some of my own
too... Way too much free time... Now I don't even have a
custom color scheme - I'm on plum now IIRC... I went to a
lot of trouble to set up an all greyshade scheme and I
have it saved,

I can see all that. Now/then I switch Desktop Themes, but I
hardly look much at the Desktop, really.

Themes? No thanks.

but for some
reason on my "new" "monitor", (LG 17", last new CRT I
could find around here) it shows up in very faint shades
of colors. I MAY have had the graphics set to High Color
not 32bit, like I do now, but for now I don't see much
point in checking if the greyscale scheme look OK now or
not... Do I sound a little jaded?

I don't know. And I don't really want to talk about
monitors. This is the 3rd one about to go! An Envision
EN5400e! I was so happy with it at first! Now, its buttons
won't work-- even the on/off button must be pressed
multiple times to work. And a week/so ago-- it was going
on/off by itself while I was trying to post! I often find
it has gone on by itself overnight! But my colors are fine.

Sigh. Maybe I should use the F8 (IIRC) method for the
startup menu...

Tried it, the stupid Compaq boot mechanism gives me about 1/100
of a second to hit the F8 key (if I hit it too early it gets me
into the BIOS, why i don't know...) so I had to go back to the
bootmenu=1...

SNIP

(a) "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button"
(b) Uncheck "Enable Startup Menu"
(c) Reboot -- I guess -- to enable MSConfig to complete,
or check inside MSDOS.sys to see whether it's done.
(d) Open MSDOS.sys & manually enter...
BootMenu=0
BootMenuDelay=5

When set through MSConfig, you get 30 seconds. Can it be
doing it each boot? I am unchecked in MSConfig & still get
my menu (for 10 seconds).

Sigh...

I never even SAW MS Config until a few years ago when someone
mentioned it. I can't find it in the Windows directory but when
I typed the run command you gave above, it did show up. I think
I prefer just editing ini files. Anyway, I saw it today for the
2nd time in my life, and I only remember that I DID see it one
before but I don't /actually remember/ seeing it, I just /know/
I did. It's late.

I did set memory to 500 and we'll see what happens. I have a 3.1
program that won't run because there's not enough and too much
memory at once. (It USED to of course, before all world's
computers started plotting against me...

So I installed Tiny XP, same thing. Maybe I'll just have to
install win 3.11 on ANOTHER partition.

Am I having fun yet?


--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

You seem to have something extra. If I were willing to
trust my memory this soon after it lied, I'd probably say I
doubt I ever saw my BIOS post a message. For a while a
while ago, it was beeping at me quickly thrice-- but that's
gone away! Before that, it was beeping once or twice-- but
I'm fairly sure that's gone too now!

Beeps MAY indicate memory and other problems. Look on the HP
site and find out what the beeps mean for your machine.

[BTW, I tried the BIOS logo flash utility... it has a
variety of weird restrictions AFA the "image", and it took
about twenty times and the furthest I got was "image
palette error" or something, but I did it just like it's
supposed to be, RLE compressed BMP and everything, 64KB or
less... Who cares...

You mean just to alter the Compaq logo screen? I can only
guess on that. Looks like Zabkar is the one for that.
Somewhere in the course of this thread, I came to believe
you already had changed your Compaq logo to be Natashia. I
see I was wrong, & you actually said it was the Win98Lite
Logo.sys that was changed.

Right, and BECAUSE OF YOU AND YOUR NAGGING ;-) I ended up trying
to flash the stupid BIOS Logo, and the only thing left to try is
to alter the original (the ONLY thing the damn program WOULD do
was to save the original logo so I have it as a BMP file now and
can try editing it instead of making a /new/ BMP RLE file to
their /STUPID SPECS/.

OK. But THAT should block out Config.sys & Autoexec.bat!

(2) MS Startup Menu.
Mine is set for 10 seconds in MSDOS.sys...
BootMenu=1
BootMenuDelay=10
But hit ENTER, & it goes away immediately.

This I knew, and in spite of getting old, 3 or 5 secs is
enough for me.

I didn't like it that short.

Size doesn't matter.

SNIP

Right. But you see it with Logo=1?

Yes. How many more times do I have to tell you?

It pops into Natasha for 30 seconds. And what the hell gave you
ANY idea she is dancing? I know these days it appears mandatory
for all dancers and backup singers to wear bikinis (for lack of
a better term), and I did say she is wearing a white bikini, but
please do not confuse a startup screen with the "virtual girl"
annoyance.

(4) The Windows desktop & its wallpaper.
R-Clk Desktop, Properties.

Sure... but what is the point of mentioning it here?

I became mixed up somehow. I thought you were seeing
Natashia twice with (what might be) DOS in between.

YES.

I /DO/, but only when the Windows 98 (DOS shell) is starting...
way past BIOS!

I thought wallpaper might be the 2nd Natashia after your

Natasha. Are you just trying to drive me crazy? Is that what
this thread is about now?

Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there are
two).

No offense, but either you ARE trying to drive me crazy or we
seem to have a slight cognitive mismatch... This is really
beginning to remind me of some group therapy arguments I was
part of in the good old days...

Anyway, I won't repeat what I already said 3 or 4 times...

If "@ECHO OFF" controls what you see, what you see is the
DOS of Config.sys & Autoexec.bat. But those shouldn't show
when Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys. The MS logo hid that for me.

Also shows the autoexec.bat file, which I can ECHO out
but then it shows the c:\ECHO OFF

That shouldn't be! It should be obscured behind the MS
logo.

Many things SHOULD BE in MS products. I just look3d at my
MS-DOS 5 book... At the time of its printing, the MS
slogan used to be "Making it all make sense[TM]".

Right.

Uh-huh. I'm certainly about to give up. I see System
Commander may be involved too. I must leave that between
you & MEB.

I dumped System Manager. I thought I'd play around with Damn
Small Linux (I ran it from a virtual drive and it works great)
but what's the point.

That's what happened here. Are you sure you are set
Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys? Can it be the 2nd Frenchwoman you
see is the wallpaer?

I already /told you/ she's Canadian! And it's the same
Windows logo.sys but for SOME reason the damn startup menu
interrupts it every time!

I thought for sure it was a dancing Frenchwoman. My Startup
Menu shows up BEFORE my Logo.sys. MSDOS.sys is before the
menu. IO.sys is before MSDOS.sys. MBR boot code is before
IO.sys. BIOS is before MBR boot code.

Could be System Commander has changed one of the 10
commandments for you-- as MEB seems to be saying. I can't
say for sure!

It ALWAYS happened this way with 98SE. For about 4 or so years
I've had this computer.

I got really fed up with wallpapers a long time ago, after
collecting about a zillion of them... made some of my own
too... Way too much free time... Now I don't even have a
custom color scheme - I'm on plum now IIRC... I went to a
lot of trouble to set up an all greyshade scheme and I
have it saved,

I can see all that. Now/then I switch Desktop Themes, but I
hardly look much at the Desktop, really.

Themes? No thanks.

but for some
reason on my "new" "monitor", (LG 17", last new CRT I
could find around here) it shows up in very faint shades
of colors. I MAY have had the graphics set to High Color
not 32bit, like I do now, but for now I don't see much
point in checking if the greyscale scheme look OK now or
not... Do I sound a little jaded?

I don't know. And I don't really want to talk about
monitors. This is the 3rd one about to go! An Envision
EN5400e! I was so happy with it at first! Now, its buttons
won't work-- even the on/off button must be pressed
multiple times to work. And a week/so ago-- it was going
on/off by itself while I was trying to post! I often find
it has gone on by itself overnight! But my colors are fine.

Sigh. Maybe I should use the F8 (IIRC) method for the
startup menu...

Tried it, the stupid Compaq boot mechanism gives me about 1/100
of a second to hit the F8 key (if I hit it too early it gets me
into the BIOS, why i don't know...) so I had to go back to the
bootmenu=1...

SNIP

(a) "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button"
(b) Uncheck "Enable Startup Menu"
(c) Reboot -- I guess -- to enable MSConfig to complete,
or check inside MSDOS.sys to see whether it's done.
(d) Open MSDOS.sys & manually enter...
BootMenu=0
BootMenuDelay=5

When set through MSConfig, you get 30 seconds. Can it be
doing it each boot? I am unchecked in MSConfig & still get
my menu (for 10 seconds).

Sigh...

I never even SAW MS Config until a few years ago when someone
mentioned it. I can't find it in the Windows directory but when
I typed the run command you gave above, it did show up. I think
I prefer just editing ini files. Anyway, I saw it today for the
2nd time in my life, and I only remember that I DID see it one
before but I don't /actually remember/ seeing it, I just /know/
I did. It's late.

I did set memory to 500 and we'll see what happens. I have a 3.1
program that won't run because there's not enough and too much
memory at once. (It USED to of course, before all world's
computers started plotting against me...

So I installed Tiny XP, same thing. Maybe I'll just have to
install win 3.11 on ANOTHER partition.

Am I having fun yet?


--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

Franc Zabkar wrote:

These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/MODULES.TX
T

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green"
logo.

That sounds like a possibility. And that is your startup
screen? I have no way to look into my own BIOS.

Those modules were extracted using AMI's amibcp.exe
utility.

Would it work for me?

I don't think so.

OK, thanks. Are you sure you've got your "c" & your "k" in
the right places...?...

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean?

- Franc Zabkar

:-).

After my 5 week vacation everyone on the Usenet appears top have
been replaced by evil doppelgangers. I guess I am really going
nuts - this time for good, let's hope. Enough is enough.


--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

Franc Zabkar wrote:

These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/MODULES.TX
T

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green"
logo.

That sounds like a possibility. And that is your startup
screen? I have no way to look into my own BIOS.

Those modules were extracted using AMI's amibcp.exe
utility.

Would it work for me?

I don't think so.

OK, thanks. Are you sure you've got your "c" & your "k" in
the right places...?...

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean?

- Franc Zabkar

:-).

After my 5 week vacation everyone on the Usenet appears top have
been replaced by evil doppelgangers. I guess I am really going
nuts - this time for good, let's hope. Enough is enough.


--
Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

Sorry must have glossed over, and missed this one...

thanatoid wrote:
MEB wrote in
:

SNIP

AH,,, okay, I have another point to ponder, haven't used
System
Commander since... when.... 94 or 5 maybe...

Just running through old memories --- wasn't there a boot
screen associated with that, yeah, so why is the 98 boot
menu being used also,, uhm so 9X DOS and Safe Mode can be
accessed?? okay maybe... so menu options from System
Commander are referenced in config.sys?? no, don't think
so, maybe just to remind Commander was being used... okay,
so where's the DOS sound driver??? hmm,,, what is
referenced by System Commander to boot to 9X,,, was it in
the "real" autoexec and config held in the Commander
controlled boot process?? hmm, don't remember... seems like
there was an administrator's screen... yep,, and changed
the MBR and registry, referencing back to itself.. hmm,
what version was that..

I hope this will suffice for a reply...

A small Sys Com info screen (DOS) DOES appear *after* (AOT
"inside") Natasha for about 20-40 seconds but no startup screen
since I disabled it. IIRC. Did it last night and then had
enough.

The relev. section of MSDOS.INI is now:

BootMenu=0
BootMenuDelay=5
BootKeys=1


Okay, glad its doing what you want.

(........)

Now I am playing with WHY if I add this:

[386Enh]
MaxPhysPage=30000

limits the physical RAM used to 768 MB

1 GB of ram in 98 needs system.ini to match this [or close, may take
some tweaking]:

[vcache]
MaxFileCache=512000

OR games maybe
MaxFileCache=131072

1 gig
[386enh]
MaxPhysPage=40000

You have 1 gig PLUS 128 [why I don't know].. send me the 128meg stick I
need some more memory in this machine, and your not using it [with your
present settings anyway].

And you could play around with the setting
ConservativeSwapFile
with that amount of memory.

Or did you find Windows crashing above 768megs?

You're running a non-standard 9X still, right?


and my 98SE settings are

[vcache]
MinFileCache=0
MaxFileCache=524288

512meg cache with only 768meg per previous noted, yep you're going to crash.

chunksize=4096

Might also try:
chunksize=2048
namecache=4096
directorycache=96


(irrelevant entries omitted in both)

my system will /not/ boot into Windows but if I "," out the
30000 line, everything is fine.

1 1GB stick and 1 128 MB stick, whatever the hell that adds up
to (I would think 1152 but who the hell knows...

(4MB for AGP aperture even though I have no AGP card, it has to
be set to SOMETHING...)


Yeah, I use a PCI video card, so I also set mine at 4.
Leaves some additional memory addressing space available.

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Sorry must have glossed over, and missed this one...

thanatoid wrote:
MEB wrote in
:

SNIP

AH,,, okay, I have another point to ponder, haven't used
System
Commander since... when.... 94 or 5 maybe...

Just running through old memories --- wasn't there a boot
screen associated with that, yeah, so why is the 98 boot
menu being used also,, uhm so 9X DOS and Safe Mode can be
accessed?? okay maybe... so menu options from System
Commander are referenced in config.sys?? no, don't think
so, maybe just to remind Commander was being used... okay,
so where's the DOS sound driver??? hmm,,, what is
referenced by System Commander to boot to 9X,,, was it in
the "real" autoexec and config held in the Commander
controlled boot process?? hmm, don't remember... seems like
there was an administrator's screen... yep,, and changed
the MBR and registry, referencing back to itself.. hmm,
what version was that..

I hope this will suffice for a reply...

A small Sys Com info screen (DOS) DOES appear *after* (AOT
"inside") Natasha for about 20-40 seconds but no startup screen
since I disabled it. IIRC. Did it last night and then had
enough.

The relev. section of MSDOS.INI is now:

BootMenu=0
BootMenuDelay=5
BootKeys=1


Okay, glad its doing what you want.

(........)

Now I am playing with WHY if I add this:

[386Enh]
MaxPhysPage=30000

limits the physical RAM used to 768 MB

1 GB of ram in 98 needs system.ini to match this [or close, may take
some tweaking]:

[vcache]
MaxFileCache=512000

OR games maybe
MaxFileCache=131072

1 gig
[386enh]
MaxPhysPage=40000

You have 1 gig PLUS 128 [why I don't know].. send me the 128meg stick I
need some more memory in this machine, and your not using it [with your
present settings anyway].

And you could play around with the setting
ConservativeSwapFile
with that amount of memory.

Or did you find Windows crashing above 768megs?

You're running a non-standard 9X still, right?


and my 98SE settings are

[vcache]
MinFileCache=0
MaxFileCache=524288

512meg cache with only 768meg per previous noted, yep you're going to crash.

chunksize=4096

Might also try:
chunksize=2048
namecache=4096
directorycache=96


(irrelevant entries omitted in both)

my system will /not/ boot into Windows but if I "," out the
30000 line, everything is fine.

1 1GB stick and 1 128 MB stick, whatever the hell that adds up
to (I would think 1152 but who the hell knows...

(4MB for AGP aperture even though I have no AGP card, it has to
be set to SOMETHING...)


Yeah, I use a PCI video card, so I also set mine at 4.
Leaves some additional memory addressing space available.

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thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

You seem to have something extra. If I were willing to
trust my memory this soon after it lied, I'd probably say I
doubt I ever saw my BIOS post a message. For a while a
while ago, it was beeping at me quickly thrice-- but that's
gone away! Before that, it was beeping once or twice-- but
I'm fairly sure that's gone too now!

Beeps MAY indicate memory and other problems. Look on the HP
site and find out what the beeps mean for your machine.

I never found a description of beeps at that site, but found various
ones elsewhere. But I haven't heard any beeps in a while. So, it didn't
matter I never could quite figure which beep list applied to me. And it
didn't come in the Compaq manuals, either, not that I've spotted.

[BTW, I tried the BIOS logo flash utility... it has a
variety of weird restrictions AFA the "image", and it took
about twenty times and the furthest I got was "image
palette error" or something, but I did it just like it's
supposed to be, RLE compressed BMP and everything, 64KB or
less... Who cares...

You mean just to alter the Compaq logo screen? I can only
guess on that. Looks like Zabkar is the one for that.
Somewhere in the course of this thread, I came to believe
you already had changed your Compaq logo to be Natashia. I
see I was wrong, & you actually said it was the Win98Lite
Logo.sys that was changed.

Right, and BECAUSE OF YOU AND YOUR NAGGING ;-) I ended up trying
to flash the stupid BIOS Logo, and the only thing left to try is
to alter the original (the ONLY thing the damn program WOULD do
was to save the original logo so I have it as a BMP file now and
can try editing it instead of making a /new/ BMP RLE file to
their /STUPID SPECS/.

Sounds like I'm lucky I didn't get that capability with my 7470! I
hesitate to offer any advice. I'd rather Zabkar be blamed for the worse
outcomes! :-).

OK. But THAT should block out Config.sys & Autoexec.bat!

(2) MS Startup Menu.
Mine is set for 10 seconds in MSDOS.sys...
BootMenu=1
BootMenuDelay=10
But hit ENTER, & it goes away immediately.

This I knew, and in spite of getting old, 3 or 5 secs is
enough for me.

I didn't like it that short.

Size doesn't matter.

SNIP

Right. But you see it with Logo=1?

Yes. How many more times do I have to tell you?

It pops into Natasha for 30 seconds. And what the hell gave you
ANY idea she is dancing? I know these days it appears mandatory
for all dancers and backup singers to wear bikinis (for lack of
a better term), and I did say she is wearing a white bikini, but
please do not confuse a startup screen with the "virtual girl"
annoyance.

(4) The Windows desktop & its wallpaper.
R-Clk Desktop, Properties.

Sure... but what is the point of mentioning it here?

I became mixed up somehow. I thought you were seeing
Natashia twice with (what might be) DOS in between.

YES.

I /DO/, but only when the Windows 98 (DOS shell) is starting...
way past BIOS!

I thought wallpaper might be the 2nd Natashia after your

Natasha. Are you just trying to drive me crazy? Is that what
this thread is about now?

Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there are
two).

No offense, but either you ARE trying to drive me crazy or we
seem to have a slight cognitive mismatch... This is really
beginning to remind me of some group therapy arguments I was
part of in the good old days...

Anyway, I won't repeat what I already said 3 or 4 times...

If "@ECHO OFF" controls what you see, what you see is the
DOS of Config.sys & Autoexec.bat. But those shouldn't show
when Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys. The MS logo hid that for me.

Also shows the autoexec.bat file, which I can ECHO out
but then it shows the c:\ECHO OFF

That shouldn't be! It should be obscured behind the MS
logo.

Many things SHOULD BE in MS products. I just look3d at my
MS-DOS 5 book... At the time of its printing, the MS
slogan used to be "Making it all make sense[TM]".

Right.

Uh-huh. I'm certainly about to give up. I see System
Commander may be involved too. I must leave that between
you & MEB.

I dumped System Manager. I thought I'd play around with Damn
Small Linux (I ran it from a virtual drive and it works great)
but what's the point.

That's what happened here. Are you sure you are set
Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys? Can it be the 2nd Frenchwoman you
see is the wallpaer?

I already /told you/ she's Canadian! And it's the same
Windows logo.sys but for SOME reason the damn startup menu
interrupts it every time!

I thought for sure it was a dancing Frenchwoman. My Startup
Menu shows up BEFORE my Logo.sys. MSDOS.sys is before the
menu. IO.sys is before MSDOS.sys. MBR boot code is before
IO.sys. BIOS is before MBR boot code.

Could be System Commander has changed one of the 10
commandments for you-- as MEB seems to be saying. I can't
say for sure!

It ALWAYS happened this way with 98SE. For about 4 or so years
I've had this computer.

I got really fed up with wallpapers a long time ago, after
collecting about a zillion of them... made some of my own
too... Way too much free time... Now I don't even have a
custom color scheme - I'm on plum now IIRC... I went to a
lot of trouble to set up an all greyshade scheme and I
have it saved,

I can see all that. Now/then I switch Desktop Themes, but I
hardly look much at the Desktop, really.

Themes? No thanks.

but for some
reason on my "new" "monitor", (LG 17", last new CRT I
could find around here) it shows up in very faint shades
of colors. I MAY have had the graphics set to High Color
not 32bit, like I do now, but for now I don't see much
point in checking if the greyscale scheme look OK now or
not... Do I sound a little jaded?

I don't know. And I don't really want to talk about
monitors. This is the 3rd one about to go! An Envision
EN5400e! I was so happy with it at first! Now, its buttons
won't work-- even the on/off button must be pressed
multiple times to work. And a week/so ago-- it was going
on/off by itself while I was trying to post! I often find
it has gone on by itself overnight! But my colors are fine.

Sigh. Maybe I should use the F8 (IIRC) method for the
startup menu...

Tried it, the stupid Compaq boot mechanism gives me about 1/100
of a second to hit the F8 key (if I hit it too early it gets me
into the BIOS, why i don't know...) so I had to go back to the
bootmenu=1...

SNIP

(a) "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button"
(b) Uncheck "Enable Startup Menu"
(c) Reboot -- I guess -- to enable MSConfig to complete,
or check inside MSDOS.sys to see whether it's done.
(d) Open MSDOS.sys & manually enter...
BootMenu=0
BootMenuDelay=5

When set through MSConfig, you get 30 seconds. Can it be
doing it each boot? I am unchecked in MSConfig & still get
my menu (for 10 seconds).

Sigh...

I never even SAW MS Config until a few years ago when someone
mentioned it. I can't find it in the Windows directory but when
I typed the run command you gave above, it did show up. I think
I prefer just editing ini files. Anyway, I saw it today for the
2nd time in my life, and I only remember that I DID see it one
before but I don't /actually remember/ seeing it, I just /know/
I did. It's late.

I did set memory to 500 and we'll see what happens. I have a 3.1
program that won't run because there's not enough and too much
memory at once. (It USED to of course, before all world's
computers started plotting against me...

So I installed Tiny XP, same thing. Maybe I'll just have to
install win 3.11 on ANOTHER partition.

Am I having fun yet?

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