Critical Updates KB867282 & KB891781

Well, careful what you say. It is reported Dundat went on a sea voyage,
& no one has seen him since in his original form. (Oh, I see, it was YOU
I last posted this to.)...

From...
The Lied and Art Song Texts Page
http://www10.overture.com/d/sr/?xarg...w.recmusic.org
....phew!

Full fathom five thy father lies,
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell:
Ding-dong.
Hark! now I hear them, - ding-dong bell.

William Shakespeare (1564-1616)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Roger Fink" wrote in message
...
| PCR, one final thing, today as I was pounding away on the keyboard the
| wordplay/joke behind Bindar Dundat hit me like a bolt out of the blue
and I
| fell off the chair laughing. So am I right or do I have to explain
this
| further? (Gotta be careful on this 'cuz I'm not exactly invulnerable
on this
| issue myself).
|
| PCR wrote:
| It just worked for me. OK, then.
|
| OK, well that explains things. I expect this will work out OK and
| will make further noise if it doesn't.
|
|
| PCR wrote:
| Every IE cumulative critical will take your Troubleshooters away.
| After taking one, you must do the "Tshoot.inf" install once. After
| that, Dundat's fix should work again. Or, try my .reg's...
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q188867
| Troubleshooting Windows 98 Startup Problems. This article contains
a
| link to what it says is the equivalent of the Windows Help
| Troubleshooters...
| http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot
| That's it. But, here is how to get them back when offline...
|
| First, "START, Find, F&F, Tshoot.inf"; R-Clk it & select
"Install".
| If you still don't have the Troubleshooters...
|
| (1) "START, Run, RegEdit"
| (2) Navigate to
|
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
| Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}
|
| Compatibility Flags 0x00000400 (1024) Dword value 400
|
| by
| (a) Clicking plus signs, beginning with "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
| (b) & ending with "ActiveX Compatibility".
| (c) Finally, click "{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}" itself
| in the left pane.
| (d) Now, you see "Compatibility Flags 0x00000400 (1024)" in the
| right pane.
| (e) "Registry menu, Export Registry file".
|
| This will create a ".reg" file of the entire Key that is
| open... all the items in the right pane & all sub-keys in the left
| pane (if there is a plus sign). Give it a name & location of your
| choosing, even to the Desktop or My Documents. Then, to undo the
| following, you will be able to simply click that file, to Merge
| it's contents back into the Registry.
|
| Actually-- name that one "NoTrouble.reg". It will look like...
|
| ...Start.....
| REGEDIT4
|
| [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
| Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
| "Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000400
|
| ...End.......
|
| (f) Close RegEdit. You now have an "undo" .reg, named
| "NoTrouble.reg". (g) Make a copy of it called "Trouble.reg".
| (h) Open "Trouble.reg" in Notepad. Change the "dword" to look as
| follows... all zeros...
|
| ...Start..of "Trouble.reg"...
| REGEDIT4
|
| [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
| Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
| "Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000000
|
| ...End.......
|
| CAREFUL: That "HKEY" is one line, with TWO spaces only. One
between
| "Internet Explorer", & the other between "ActiveX Compatibility".
| Make sure it looks that way in Notepad, before you click to Save.
| Also, you must have an empty line at bottom.
|
| Now, "Trouble.reg" gives you the Troubleshooters. "NoTrouble.reg"
| will give you security by taking them away. Remember to undo it,
| after you are done looking at the Troubleshooters.
|
|
| (2) By default, when a ".reg" is clicked, it will Merge into the
| Registry. To alter the default behavior: "START, Settings, Folder
| Options, File Types tab". Scroll to & click "Registration
Entries",
| click the "Edit" button, select "edit" in the window & click the
| "Set Default" button. Now, when you click a ".reg" file, it will
| open in Notepad for examination. To merge it into the Registry,
| R-Clk it & select "Merge".
|
|
| Sorry to have to report this but the news is mostly bad:
|
| 1. When you install the updates, you lose the Troubleshooter
| function even when you start it with the workaround, at least
| that's what happened to me.
| 2. Neither of the updates appeared in Add/Remove.
|
| Fortunately, GoBack was successful so that now the workaround
| functions as it should. Since I now know I can uninstall these
| updates I'm willing to try again, but first I'll need a method to
| uninstall/reinstall the Troublshooter workaround, or else have
some
| confidence going into it that reinstalling it over itself will
| recharge it.
|
|
| PA Bear wrote:
| While no one can guarantee it, neither *critical* security
update
| /should/ cause you any problems, Roger. Each was beta-tested in
| Win98. If on the off-chance they do, both are fully
uninstallable
| via Add/Remove Programs.
|
| These updates are only available for Win9x users via Windows
| Update.
|
| To assure a clean install, your anti-virus application should be
| disabled and all other running processes closed before
installing
| anything, including Windows Updates.
|
| Roger Fink wrote:
| Can someone please explain in clear, direct English, as opposed
| to what is on the WU site, what loss in OS or IE functionality
| will result from downloading the latest two security updates?
| (KB867282 & KB891781)
|
| For the previous update, I lost Help Troubleshooter, but
managed
| to bring it back thanks to the Dundat Workaround plus some
| expert help from the board. Will I need to reinstall this? Or
| apply other fixes for other problems?
|
| I'm afraid I've finally reached the point where downloading a
| critical security update has become a cost/benefit decision.
|
|

Wow, welcome to the club, Bill and here I thought you would stick with IE 5.5
for at least another year. :

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
: Well, ok, maybe something on my system was a bit unique. I, for one,
: certainly can't deny that! That said, I'm keeping the status quo here,
: with just IE 6 SP1.
: I don't need/want anymore "unique" chaotic experiences in my life right
now.
: :-)
:
: Gary S. Terhune wrote:
: "Bill in Co." wrote in message
: ...
: Gary S. Terhune wrote:
: "Bill in Co." wrote in message
: ...
: Gary S. Terhune wrote:
: No, that's not what I'm referring to. Simply put, if you had a
problem
: with only a few web pages after the update (as compared to before the
: update,) particularly if it wasn't a widely recognized, repeatable
: problem,
:
: It WAS a repeatable problem. In fact, one of the other guys in here
: commented on the exact same thing, if you recall. He went over to
: that
: videohelp.com website, and got the same results I did, (with the
: History
: Icon giving an error beep with a mouseover event (Javascript).
:
: Honestly, that sounds more like a problem of the site architect going
: outside the bounds of proper coding, not a "problem" in IE.
:
: No, because it worked flawlessly all the time, and all the way up
*until*
: I
: installed that one cumulative update. And it works flawlessly now
again
: in
: IE 6, since whatever caused the problem in that update has been removed.
:
: The error message that popped up was "Object Error" (with a sound event)
: (on
: the first mouseover event - on repeated mouseovers for the *same* cell,
: nothing happened at all). (This behavior was true for all cells on
that
: page). And it shouldn't have done this - it's an IE error on my side,
: not
: the server's side.
:
: Bill, please try to see things from a less simplistic view. One page,
: out of millions, exhibited this behavior on *your* system. It's a
: synergistic thing. It took *all* of those factors, your system, how it
: was configured, the progression of updates, and the particular code that
: was used on that particular page, or those particular pages, to cause
: the anamolous behavior. For all you know, if you reformatted and
: reinstalled, then updated using that particular update, the behavior
: would not repeat. Yes, I'm sure that when you tested it, once you found
: it, and without changing anything, it repeated over and over again.
: That's not what is meant by repeatable. I assume that you tried
: reinstalling the update, ran IE Repair, perhaps used my Clean Boot
: porcedures before installing, etc., (?)
:
:
:
: I'm NOT asserting that everybody using IE 5.5 SP2 would *necessarily*
: have
: got the same problem with that cumulative update, but OTOH, I wouldn't
: bet
: against it, either. And it was repeatable.
:
: And the other IE 5.5 SP2 problem came about as a direct result of a
: newer
: MSHTML.DLL file behaving unexpectedly on a Google website (only
: AFTER the
: update) (Behaving incorrectly in some page rendering). Putting
: back
: the older MSHTML.DLL file resolved that issue - I verified that
several
: times.
:
: Thus undoing whatever the fix was that was installed. Plus, this case
is
: just like the other--anamolous behavior on one or two sites.
:
: Oh, I don't know how "anomalous" it was... If you want to know the
: specifics, if you go to Google, and try to read some newsposts over
: there,
: there is a tag that allows you to "show quoted text" or "hide quoted
: text" -
: that stopped working properly (if at all). Again, perfect up to then,
: and
: perfect right now with IE 6.
:
: a·nom·a·lous
: adj.
: 1. Deviating from the normal or common order, form, or rule.
: 2. Equivocal, as in classification or nature.
:
: [From Late Latin anmalos, from Greek, uneven : probably from an-, not;
: see a-1 + homalos, even (from homos, same. See sem-1 in Indo-European
: Roots).]
:
: I repeat: This rare, anomolous behavior is not, in my book, symptoms of
: a "problem" update. It's a function of Chaos as it applies to PC
: computer systems.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: "Security!"
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
:

Well if your memory returns then I will gladly take up your challenge, Gary.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: Actually, I meant what I said insofar as CT being an enthralling study,
: s. And you sound like just the type of person to get totally wrapped
: up in it. I recommend a book or two on the subject. However, my memory
: is shot and I can't pull any specific titles or authors up at this time.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: "Security!"
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: I see that evil grin and will take your words with a grain of salt.
: LOL!!
:
: "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: ...
: : Nope. Google it. "Chaos Theory". In one aspect, it's a mathematical
: : explanation of Murphy's Law, sort of.
: :
: : Careful, though. I spent a few years enamored of CT. One of the most
: : rabid scholarly pursuits in my life until I got into Windows. Come
: to
: : think of it, Dan, dive right in. Maybe it will grab you strong
: enough to
: : get you to take more breaks from this group, eg. Try applying it
: to
: : psychology.
: :
: : --
: : Gary S. Terhune
: : MS MVP Shell/User
: : "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: : "Security!"
: : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: :
: : "Dan" wrote in message
: : ...
: : A function of Chaos -- wow I have been seeing that term used here
: and
: : also in
: : the XP general newsgroup. Care to elaborate for us, Gary? Thanks
: in
: : advance!
: :
:
:
:

I *would have* IF that cumulative hadn't of messed up my system a bit.

As it turns out, IE 6 SP1 came in ok, and I was *lucky* (having heard a
couple of horror stories in here about mixing IE 6 and Win98SE).

It was either that, or live with it, or reinstall windows and all apps all
over again. (TNX, but NO TNX (just did that last year).

Dan wrote:
Wow, welcome to the club, Bill and here I thought you would stick with IE
5.5
for at least another year. :

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, ok, maybe something on my system was a bit unique. I, for one,
certainly can't deny that! That said, I'm keeping the status quo here,
with just IE 6 SP1.
I don't need/want anymore "unique" chaotic experiences in my life right
now.
:-)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
No, that's not what I'm referring to. Simply put, if you had a
problem
with only a few web pages after the update (as compared to before
the
update,) particularly if it wasn't a widely recognized, repeatable
problem,

It WAS a repeatable problem. In fact, one of the other guys in here
commented on the exact same thing, if you recall. He went over to
that
videohelp.com website, and got the same results I did, (with the
History
Icon giving an error beep with a mouseover event (Javascript).

Honestly, that sounds more like a problem of the site architect going
outside the bounds of proper coding, not a "problem" in IE.

No, because it worked flawlessly all the time, and all the way up
*until* I
installed that one cumulative update. And it works flawlessly now
again
in IE 6, since whatever caused the problem in that update has been
removed.

The error message that popped up was "Object Error" (with a sound
event)
(on the first mouseover event - on repeated mouseovers for the *same*
cell,
nothing happened at all). (This behavior was true for all cells on
that
page). And it shouldn't have done this - it's an IE error on my side,
not
the server's side.

Bill, please try to see things from a less simplistic view. One page,
out of millions, exhibited this behavior on *your* system. It's a
synergistic thing. It took *all* of those factors, your system, how it
was configured, the progression of updates, and the particular code that
was used on that particular page, or those particular pages, to cause
the anamolous behavior. For all you know, if you reformatted and
reinstalled, then updated using that particular update, the behavior
would not repeat. Yes, I'm sure that when you tested it, once you found
it, and without changing anything, it repeated over and over again.
That's not what is meant by repeatable. I assume that you tried
reinstalling the update, ran IE Repair, perhaps used my Clean Boot
porcedures before installing, etc., (?)



I'm NOT asserting that everybody using IE 5.5 SP2 would *necessarily*
have
got the same problem with that cumulative update, but OTOH, I
wouldn't
bet
against it, either. And it was repeatable.

And the other IE 5.5 SP2 problem came about as a direct result of a
newer
MSHTML.DLL file behaving unexpectedly on a Google website (only
AFTER the update) (Behaving incorrectly in some page rendering).
Putting back the older MSHTML.DLL file resolved that issue - I
verified
that several times.

Thus undoing whatever the fix was that was installed. Plus, this case
is
just like the other--anamolous behavior on one or two sites.

Oh, I don't know how "anomalous" it was... If you want to know the
specifics, if you go to Google, and try to read some newsposts over
there,
there is a tag that allows you to "show quoted text" or "hide quoted
text"
- that stopped working properly (if at all). Again, perfect up to
then,
and perfect right now with IE 6.

a·nom·a·lous
adj.
1. Deviating from the normal or common order, form, or rule.
2. Equivocal, as in classification or nature.

[From Late Latin anmalos, from Greek, uneven : probably from an-, not;
see a-1 + homalos, even (from homos, same. See sem-1 in Indo-European
Roots).]

I repeat: This rare, anomolous behavior is not, in my book, symptoms of
a "problem" update. It's a function of Chaos as it applies to PC
computer systems.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
"Security!"
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

No, it's probably being better being the way you are, and looking forward to
all the changes, if even for change's sake. But I ain't wired that way!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Well, I can understand that, s. I occasionally idly wish I was less
inclined to change simply for the sake of change--alas, that's just not
the way I'm wired, g.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
"Security!"
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, ok, maybe something on my system was a bit unique. I, for one,
certainly can't deny that! That said, I'm keeping the status quo here,
with just IE 6 SP1.
I don't need/want anymore "unique" chaotic experiences in my life right
now.
:-)

* Re Bindar Dundat: "Been there, done that" (alignment of planets, or just
good writers?)
* If you decide to spring for the Chausson you'll wind up detesting Richard
Rogers, who lifted the melody for "Victory at Sea", note for note, like a
pirate. Made a career of doing stuff like that.
* And I suppose I should also mention that I couldn't get the Dundat
Workaround to work this time. I did it two ways. First I downloaded the
patches and then reinstalled the workaround over itself. When that didn't
work, I reverted, deleted TShoot.exe, redownloaded, then installed TShoot
anew, but that didn't work either. This is not the worst Windows problem
I've ever had, in fact it's a relatively small one, but it's annoying that I
couldn't get this thing to work beyond the initial installation.

So I'm at a four-way crossroads: Updates with no Troubleshooter (not the
worst thing that could happen), Troubleshooter with no updates (like 95% of
the users, I'd bet), do the registry hacks (for more advanced users but
"been there done that" enough to probably get through it) and, my
preference, keep trying until TShoot.exe works. On my tombstone will be
inscribed the NT4 chestnut: "It Is Now Safe To Turn Off Your Computer", if I
can work out the intellectual property issues with Microsoft.

\PCR wrote:
Well, careful what you say. It is reported Dundat went on a sea
voyage, & no one has seen him since in his original form. (Oh, I see,
it was YOU
I last posted this to.)...

From...
The Lied and Art Song Texts Page

http://www10.overture.com/d/sr/?xarg...w.recmusic.org
...phew!

Full fathom five thy father lies,
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade,
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Sea-nymphs hourly ring his knell:
Ding-dong.
Hark! now I hear them, - ding-dong bell.

William Shakespeare (1564-1616)


PCR, one final thing, today as I was pounding away on the keyboard
the
wordplay/joke behind Bindar Dundat hit me like a bolt out of the blue
and I
fell off the chair laughing. So am I right or do I have to explain
this
further? (Gotta be careful on this 'cuz I'm not exactly invulnerable
on this
issue myself).

PCR wrote:
It just worked for me. OK, then.

OK, well that explains things. I expect this will work out OK and
will make further noise if it doesn't.


PCR wrote:
Every IE cumulative critical will take your Troubleshooters away.
After taking one, you must do the "Tshoot.inf" install once. After
that, Dundat's fix should work again. Or, try my .reg's...

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q188867
Troubleshooting Windows 98 Startup Problems. This article contains
a
link to what it says is the equivalent of the Windows Help
Troubleshooters...
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot
That's it. But, here is how to get them back when offline...

First, "START, Find, F&F, Tshoot.inf"; R-Clk it & select
"Install".
If you still don't have the Troubleshooters...

(1) "START, Run, RegEdit"
(2) Navigate to

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}

Compatibility Flags 0x00000400 (1024) Dword value 400

by
(a) Clicking plus signs, beginning with "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
(b) & ending with "ActiveX Compatibility".
(c) Finally, click "{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}" itself
in the left pane.
(d) Now, you see "Compatibility Flags 0x00000400 (1024)" in the
right pane.
(e) "Registry menu, Export Registry file".

This will create a ".reg" file of the entire Key that is
open... all the items in the right pane & all sub-keys in the left
pane (if there is a plus sign). Give it a name & location of your
choosing, even to the Desktop or My Documents. Then, to undo the
following, you will be able to simply click that file, to Merge
it's contents back into the Registry.

Actually-- name that one "NoTrouble.reg". It will look like...

...Start.....
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
"Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000400

...End.......

(f) Close RegEdit. You now have an "undo" .reg, named
"NoTrouble.reg". (g) Make a copy of it called "Trouble.reg".
(h) Open "Trouble.reg" in Notepad. Change the "dword" to look as
follows... all zeros...

...Start..of "Trouble.reg"...
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
"Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000000

...End.......

CAREFUL: That "HKEY" is one line, with TWO spaces only. One
between
"Internet Explorer", & the other between "ActiveX Compatibility".
Make sure it looks that way in Notepad, before you click to Save.
Also, you must have an empty line at bottom.

Now, "Trouble.reg" gives you the Troubleshooters. "NoTrouble.reg"
will give you security by taking them away. Remember to undo it,
after you are done looking at the Troubleshooters.


(2) By default, when a ".reg" is clicked, it will Merge into the
Registry. To alter the default behavior: "START, Settings, Folder
Options, File Types tab". Scroll to & click "Registration
Entries",
click the "Edit" button, select "edit" in the window & click the
"Set Default" button. Now, when you click a ".reg" file, it will
open in Notepad for examination. To merge it into the Registry,
R-Clk it & select "Merge".


Sorry to have to report this but the news is mostly bad:

1. When you install the updates, you lose the Troubleshooter
function even when you start it with the workaround, at least
that's what happened to me.
2. Neither of the updates appeared in Add/Remove.

Fortunately, GoBack was successful so that now the workaround
functions as it should. Since I now know I can uninstall these
updates I'm willing to try again, but first I'll need a method to
uninstall/reinstall the Troublshooter workaround, or else have
some
confidence going into it that reinstalling it over itself will
recharge it.


PA Bear wrote:
While no one can guarantee it, neither *critical* security
update
/should/ cause you any problems, Roger. Each was beta-tested in
Win98. If on the off-chance they do, both are fully
uninstallable
via Add/Remove Programs.

These updates are only available for Win9x users via Windows
Update.

To assure a clean install, your anti-virus application should be
disabled and all other running processes closed before
installing
anything, including Windows Updates.

Roger Fink wrote:
Can someone please explain in clear, direct English, as opposed
to what is on the WU site, what loss in OS or IE functionality
will result from downloading the latest two security updates?
(KB867282 & KB891781)

For the previous update, I lost Help Troubleshooter, but
managed
to bring it back thanks to the Dundat Workaround plus some
expert help from the board. Will I need to reinstall this? Or
apply other fixes for other problems?

I'm afraid I've finally reached the point where downloading a
critical security update has become a cost/benefit decision.

Here's the one that got me started.
http://tinyurl.com/3oehj

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
"Security!"
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Well if your memory returns then I will gladly take up your challenge,
Gary.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: Actually, I meant what I said insofar as CT being an enthralling
study,
: s. And you sound like just the type of person to get totally
wrapped
: up in it. I recommend a book or two on the subject. However, my
memory
: is shot and I can't pull any specific titles or authors up at this
time.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: "Security!"
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: I see that evil grin and will take your words with a grain of
salt.
: LOL!!
:
: "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: ...
: : Nope. Google it. "Chaos Theory". In one aspect, it's a
mathematical
: : explanation of Murphy's Law, sort of.
: :
: : Careful, though. I spent a few years enamored of CT. One of the
most
: : rabid scholarly pursuits in my life until I got into Windows.
Come
: to
: : think of it, Dan, dive right in. Maybe it will grab you strong
: enough to
: : get you to take more breaks from this group, eg. Try applying
it
: to
: : psychology.
: :
: : --
: : Gary S. Terhune
: : MS MVP Shell/User
: : "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: : "Security!"
: : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: :
: : "Dan" wrote in message
: : ...
: : A function of Chaos -- wow I have been seeing that term used
here
: and
: : also in
: : the XP general newsgroup. Care to elaborate for us, Gary?
Thanks
: in
: : advance!
: :
:
:
:

You'll see Chaos Theory at work at the open bar at MVP Summit Welcome Party.
--
~PAÞ

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Nope. Google it. "Chaos Theory". In one aspect, it's a mathematical
explanation of Murphy's Law, sort of.

You can post it here, Dan, and I'm asking about what shows in Win98. In
WinXP the format listing is 'Windows XP Hotfix - KB123456'.

I'm most interested in the IE Cumulative Patch KB867282. Such patches used
to be listed as 'Internet Explorer - Q867282' but no longer, at least in
WinXP ('Windows XP Hotfix - KB867282').
--
~Robear

Dan wrote:
Sorry for the late reply, Robear. I was too tired to coherently respond
last night when I got home from work at about midnight. Robear, due to
certain limitations and confidentiality, I will e-mail you the
information you request.

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear this, Roger.

867282 /should/ have been found in Add/Remove Programs as either 'IE -
Q867282' or 'Windows XX Hotfix - KB86728'.

891781 /should/ have been found in Add/Remove Programs as 'Windows XX
Hotfix - KB891781'.

[Dan, what do you find in A/RP for these?]

Thanks for the link, Gary. I will investigate this Chaos book.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: Here's the one that got me started.
: http://tinyurl.com/3oehj
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: "Security!"
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Well if your memory returns then I will gladly take up your challenge,
: Gary.
:
: "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: ...
: : Actually, I meant what I said insofar as CT being an enthralling
: study,
: : s. And you sound like just the type of person to get totally
: wrapped
: : up in it. I recommend a book or two on the subject. However, my
: memory
: : is shot and I can't pull any specific titles or authors up at this
: time.
: :
: : --
: : Gary S. Terhune
: : MS MVP Shell/User
: : "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: : "Security!"
: : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: :
: : "Dan" wrote in message
: : ...
: : I see that evil grin and will take your words with a grain of
: salt.
: : LOL!!
: :
: : "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: : ...
: : : Nope. Google it. "Chaos Theory". In one aspect, it's a
: mathematical
: : : explanation of Murphy's Law, sort of.
: : :
: : : Careful, though. I spent a few years enamored of CT. One of the
: most
: : : rabid scholarly pursuits in my life until I got into Windows.
: Come
: : to
: : : think of it, Dan, dive right in. Maybe it will grab you strong
: : enough to
: : : get you to take more breaks from this group, eg. Try applying
: it
: : to
: : : psychology.
: : :
: : : --
: : : Gary S. Terhune
: : : MS MVP Shell/User
: : : "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: : : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: : : "Security!"
: : : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: : :
: : : "Dan" wrote in message
: : : ...
: : : A function of Chaos -- wow I have been seeing that term used
: here
: : and
: : : also in
: : : the XP general newsgroup. Care to elaborate for us, Gary?
: Thanks
: : in
: : : advance!
: : :
: :
: :
: :
:
:
: