Critical Updates KB867282 & KB891781

Don't really know.

When I initially went to the Update site, I was asked to download a small
program, and after that the page remains blank. It's been like that for me
for a long time. But, as I said, I managed to get the file from another
source.


"Dan" wrote in message
...
Why doesn't Windows Update work for you, darkrats?

"darkrats" wrote in message
...
: Both Windows Update and the Update Catalog do not work for me. That's
why I
: went looking for a manual download for the IE6 patch.
:
:
: "Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
: ...
:
: "Mostly Me (MM)" wrote in message
: ...
: darkrats wrote:
: Thanks.
: Got the file using P2P.
:
: I was pretty sure you would figure out a way to get it.
:
: They are all available via the standard Windows Update procedure.
:
: They are also all available manually,
: via the Windows Update Catalog process.
:
: No sleight-of-hand, backdoors or skullduggery required.
:
:
:
:

It will be interesting to see if MM takes the challenge. eg

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: The update isn't listed in the Catalog for Win98/98SE, but it *is*
: listed for Windows ME. Whether the ME version will install to Win98/98SE
: is open to investigation by some enterprising soul--perhaps yourself?
: (Just inspecting the version you have from your TIF folder and that
: listed for ME should show whether they are identical.)
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
:
: "Mostly Me (MM)" wrote in message
: ...
: Hugh Candlin wrote:
: They are all available via the standard Windows Update procedure.
:
: They are also all available manually,
: via the Windows Update Catalog process.
:
: Perhaps you could post the link to the file then?
:
: I didn't see it in the catalog for Win98 and the article specifically
: says that for Win98 is only available through Windows Updates. There
: were download links provided for other platforms, but not Win98, or ME
: for that matter.
:
: You're more than welcome to find the link on this page:
: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-014.mspx
:
: Also, from PABear's post:
: "These updates are only available for Win9x users via Windows Update."
:
: BTW, there is no skulduggery involved in grabbing a file voluntarily
: downloaded by any entity to *my* TIF folder.
:
: Looking forward to the link from you ...
:
: MM
:
:
:
:
:
:

Kewl, ;)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Mostly Me (MM)" wrote in message
...
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
...Whether the ME version will install to Win98/98SE
is open to investigation by some enterprising soul--perhaps
yourself?
(Just inspecting the version you have from your TIF folder and that
listed for ME should show whether they are identical.)


Yes, they are identical.

MM

Interesting information. Thanks, MM.

"Mostly Me (MM)" wrote in message
...
: Dan wrote:
: Ouch to your AOL users on dial-up. Cox Cable is so nice and I am so
thankful
: for it. It does not go slowly like dial-up and does not have the
time-outs
: that plagued me with Sprint DSL.
:
: Actually, Netzero has surpassed AOL in the wrong areas. Just too darn
: slow. Probably because they're constantly downloading a new video ad for
: you to watch the next time you're waiting (and waiting) to logon to
: their "service". Did you ever notice it always takes as long (or longer)
: to logon to Netzero as the video-ad takes to complete? Probably just a
: coincidence, huh?
:
: MM

It is best to get them from Windows Update. You are correct as usual,
Robear. :

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
: From MS05-014:
:
: quote
: Are Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition
: critically affected by one or more of the vulnerabilities that are
addressed
: in this security bulletin?
:
: Yes. Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition
: are critically affected by the vulnerabilities that are addressed in this
: security bulletin. Critical security updates for these platforms are
: available, are provided as part of this security bulletin, and can be
: downloaded only from the Windows Update Web site.
: /quote
:
: Let me repeat: "Critical security updates for these platforms...can be
: downloaded only from the Windows Update Web site."
: --
: ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security
:
: darkrats wrote:
: Can someone please direct me to the latest cumulative update for IE6SP1
: for 98?
:
: Update 867282 MS05-014
:
: I'm really in need of a manual download link for this, not through
Windows
: Update.
:
: Thanks.
:

Sorry to hear this, Roger.

867282 /should/ have been found in Add/Remove Programs as either 'IE -
Q867282' or 'Windows XX Hotfix - KB86728'.

891781 /should/ have been found in Add/Remove Programs as 'Windows XX
Hotfix - KB891781'.

[Dan, what do you find in A/RP for these?]

Any reference to either in WindowsUpdate.log or iuhist.xml (both are files
on your machine)?

Did you close your anti-virus application and all other running programs
before installing them?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security


Roger Fink wrote:
Sorry to have to report this but the news is mostly bad:

1. When you install the updates, you lose the Troubleshooter function even
when you start it with the workaround, at least that's what happened to
me.
2. Neither of the updates appeared in Add/Remove.

Fortunately, GoBack was successful so that now the workaround functions as
it should. Since I now know I can uninstall these updates I'm willing to
try again, but first I'll need a method to uninstall/reinstall the
Troublshooter workaround, or else have some confidence going into it that
reinstalling it over itself will recharge it.


PA Bear wrote:
While no one can guarantee it, neither *critical* security update
/should/ cause you any problems, Roger. Each was beta-tested in
Win98. If on the off-chance they do, both are fully uninstallable
via Add/Remove Programs.

These updates are only available for Win9x users via Windows Update.

To assure a clean install, your anti-virus application should be
disabled and all other running processes closed before installing
anything, including Windows Updates.

Roger Fink wrote:
Can someone please explain in clear, direct English, as opposed to
what is on the WU site, what loss in OS or IE functionality will
result from downloading the latest two security updates? (KB867282 &
KB891781)

For the previous update, I lost Help Troubleshooter, but managed to
bring it back thanks to the Dundat Workaround plus some expert help
from the board. Will I need to reinstall this? Or apply other fixes
for other problems?

I'm afraid I've finally reached the point where downloading a
critical security update has become a cost/benefit decision.

LOL! Your post was obsolete 14 minutes before you sent it. Gotta
remember that F5 key, Dan, g.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Dan" wrote in message
...
It will be interesting to see if MM takes the challenge. eg

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: The update isn't listed in the Catalog for Win98/98SE, but it *is*
: listed for Windows ME. Whether the ME version will install to
Win98/98SE
: is open to investigation by some enterprising soul--perhaps
yourself?
: (Just inspecting the version you have from your TIF folder and that
: listed for ME should show whether they are identical.)
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User

Dan wrote:
It will be interesting to see if MM takes the challenge. eg

Of course I did. It is an identical file. I even uninstalled the other
one, rebooted, then installed the "ME" one, rebooted, and everything is
fine. At least, it has passed the smoke test so far. :-P

MM

I didn't notice that 867282 had a second reference number, so I never
checked that. Even with "show all files" checked there is no
WindowsUpdate.log that showed up in a total HD file search (is this
possible?).There is an iuhist.xml file but even using a file reader and
'find' it's a little ungainly to locate specific data within it and I
couldn't do it. Also, I don't usually turn off A/V for downloads but since
you went to the trouble to mention it I actually did disable it. In any case
those two downloads are not on the system now due to the revert (at least I
assume they're gone because Troubleshhooter workaround returned to normal),
so I believe I'll try again, but based on the first try I think I'll delete
C:\WINDOWS\HELP\TShoot.exe first, since Microsoft (who should have created
TShoot.exe in the first place but didn't [had to throw that in]) undoubtedly
didn't test their patches with this in place. Right now this is a project
for tomorrow - doing taxes and one mess at a time is plenty. I'll post how
it goes, maybe on a new thread. Thanks, RF

PA Bear wrote:
Sorry to hear this, Roger.

867282 /should/ have been found in Add/Remove Programs as either 'IE -
Q867282' or 'Windows XX Hotfix - KB86728'.

891781 /should/ have been found in Add/Remove Programs as 'Windows XX
Hotfix - KB891781'.

[Dan, what do you find in A/RP for these?]

Any reference to either in WindowsUpdate.log or iuhist.xml (both are
files on your machine)?

Did you close your anti-virus application and all other running
programs before installing them?

Roger Fink wrote:
Sorry to have to report this but the news is mostly bad:

1. When you install the updates, you lose the Troubleshooter
function even when you start it with the workaround, at least that's
what happened to me.
2. Neither of the updates appeared in Add/Remove.

Fortunately, GoBack was successful so that now the workaround
functions as it should. Since I now know I can uninstall these
updates I'm willing to try again, but first I'll need a method to
uninstall/reinstall the Troublshooter workaround, or else have some
confidence going into it that reinstalling it over itself will
recharge it.


PA Bear wrote:
While no one can guarantee it, neither *critical* security update
/should/ cause you any problems, Roger. Each was beta-tested in
Win98. If on the off-chance they do, both are fully uninstallable
via Add/Remove Programs.

These updates are only available for Win9x users via Windows Update.

To assure a clean install, your anti-virus application should be
disabled and all other running processes closed before installing
anything, including Windows Updates.

Roger Fink wrote:
Can someone please explain in clear, direct English, as opposed to
what is on the WU site, what loss in OS or IE functionality will
result from downloading the latest two security updates? (KB867282
& KB891781)

For the previous update, I lost Help Troubleshooter, but managed to
bring it back thanks to the Dundat Workaround plus some expert help
from the board. Will I need to reinstall this? Or apply other fixes
for other problems?

I'm afraid I've finally reached the point where downloading a
critical security update has become a cost/benefit decision.

Every IE cumulative critical will take your Troubleshooters away. After
taking one, you must do the "Tshoot.inf" install once. After that,
Dundat's fix should work again. Or, try my .reg's...

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q188867
Troubleshooting Windows 98 Startup Problems. This article contains a
link to what it says is the equivalent of the Windows Help
Troubleshooters...
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot
That's it. But, here is how to get them back when offline...

First, "START, Find, F&F, Tshoot.inf"; R-Clk it & select "Install". If
you still don't have the Troubleshooters...

(1) "START, Run, RegEdit"
(2) Navigate to

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}

Compatibility Flags 0x00000400 (1024) Dword value 400

by
(a) Clicking plus signs, beginning with "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE",
(b) & ending with "ActiveX Compatibility".
(c) Finally, click "{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}" itself in
the left pane.
(d) Now, you see "Compatibility Flags 0x00000400 (1024)" in the right
pane.
(e) "Registry menu, Export Registry file".

This will create a ".reg" file of the entire Key that is open...
all the items in the right pane & all sub-keys in the left pane (if
there is a plus sign). Give it a name & location of your choosing, even
to the Desktop or My Documents. Then, to undo the following, you will be
able to simply click that file, to Merge it's contents back into the
Registry.

Actually-- name that one "NoTrouble.reg". It will look like...

....Start.....
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
"Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000400

....End.......

(f) Close RegEdit. You now have an "undo" .reg, named "NoTrouble.reg".
(g) Make a copy of it called "Trouble.reg".
(h) Open "Trouble.reg" in Notepad. Change the "dword" to look as
follows... all zeros...

....Start..of "Trouble.reg"...
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{4B106874-DD36-11D0-8B44-00A024DD9EFF}]
"Compatibility Flags"=dword:00000000

....End.......

CAREFUL: That "HKEY" is one line, with TWO spaces only. One between
"Internet Explorer", & the other between "ActiveX Compatibility". Make
sure it looks that way in Notepad, before you click to Save. Also, you
must have an empty line at bottom.

Now, "Trouble.reg" gives you the Troubleshooters. "NoTrouble.reg" will
give you security by taking them away. Remember to undo it, after you
are done looking at the Troubleshooters.


(2) By default, when a ".reg" is clicked, it will Merge into the
Registry. To alter the default behavior: "START, Settings, Folder
Options, File Types tab". Scroll to & click "Registration Entries",
click the "Edit" button, select "edit" in the window & click the "Set
Default" button. Now, when you click a ".reg" file, it will open in
Notepad for examination. To merge it into the Registry, R-Clk it &
select "Merge".


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Roger Fink" wrote in message
...
| Sorry to have to report this but the news is mostly bad:
|
| 1. When you install the updates, you lose the Troubleshooter function
even
| when you start it with the workaround, at least that's what happened
to me.
| 2. Neither of the updates appeared in Add/Remove.
|
| Fortunately, GoBack was successful so that now the workaround
functions as
| it should. Since I now know I can uninstall these updates I'm willing
to try
| again, but first I'll need a method to uninstall/reinstall the
Troublshooter
| workaround, or else have some confidence going into it that
reinstalling it
| over itself will recharge it.
|
|
| PA Bear wrote:
| While no one can guarantee it, neither *critical* security update
| /should/ cause you any problems, Roger. Each was beta-tested in
| Win98. If on the off-chance they do, both are fully uninstallable
| via Add/Remove Programs.
|
| These updates are only available for Win9x users via Windows Update.
|
| To assure a clean install, your anti-virus application should be
| disabled and all other running processes closed before installing
| anything, including Windows Updates.
|
| Roger Fink wrote:
| Can someone please explain in clear, direct English, as opposed to
| what is on the WU site, what loss in OS or IE functionality will
| result from downloading the latest two security updates? (KB867282
&
| KB891781)
|
| For the previous update, I lost Help Troubleshooter, but managed to
| bring it back thanks to the Dundat Workaround plus some expert help
| from the board. Will I need to reinstall this? Or apply other fixes
| for other problems?
|
| I'm afraid I've finally reached the point where downloading a
| critical security update has become a cost/benefit decision.
|
|