gotta say.. so long ME

webster72n wrote:
"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.
Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to successfully
install
Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the wrong forum but FWIW - I
decided
to install it on my D: drive (WinMe being installed on the C: - which
runs
like a well oiled clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I can't get
rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually
recognises my
PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but won't let me connect.
OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor my ps/2 mouse either!!) so
still
doesn't connect. If I try to re-edit the 'Networks' settings in v6.06,
it
won't reboot - just hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought
that
I'd lived thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading (and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a candle to
Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think I'll
stick
with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart
Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and Ubuntu
can't co-exist.

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully, successfully too, by
dual-booting. I am surprised, that Mart tried his adventure, because you
have called attention to it before, if I rmember correctly. Think he might
back up and give it another try? There shouldn't be any conflicts between
the two, if residing on seperate drives.
Come to think of it, he also may have used the wrong version.
The one before me is ver. 6.06 LTS, sent to me directly from "Yonder".

Harry.

That's an old version. The new one is 7.04.

Alias
Alias


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and get
around
to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare and install
Ubuntu -
your response makes it seem a bit more worthwhile. It doesn't run too
well on my old 200MMX with 256 MB of RAM, directly from the CD.
Probably
needs the 'virtual memory' to get things to run a bit more
effectively.
BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD or did
you have to download them from a completely different (manufactures
web
site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've installed
Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on System/Administration/Restricted Drivers
Manager. It takes five seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like you
would
with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
snipped

Alias suggested :-

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and Ubuntu
can't co-exist.

Little point Alias, the 'Boot Manager' dictates which disk is used for each
OS and they certainly aren't shared. WinMe can't even see the D: anymore.
(Nor the WinMe Startup Disk - in Real Mode DOS. Although FDISK can see it
of course)

May be that a 200MHz CPU and 256MB RAM just aren't adequate.

It's the removal of the 'Boot Manager' from the C: which is going to
exercise the little grey cells. Can't see it, but I know its there! Don't
really want to have to re-FDISK the C: and re-install WinMe unless I have
to. Anyone have any ideas?

Mart


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to successfully
install Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the wrong forum but FWIW -
I decided to install it on my D: drive (WinMe being installed on the C: -
which runs like a well oiled clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I can't get
rid of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually recognises
my PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but won't let me
connect. OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor my ps/2 mouse
either!!) so still doesn't connect. If I try to re-edit the 'Networks'
settings in v6.06, it won't reboot - just hangs until I re-install it.
Jeepers! I thought that I'd lived thru' enough hours watching spinning
egg-timers loading (and re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they
don't hold a candle to Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think I'll
stick with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and Ubuntu
can't co-exist.

Alias



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and get
around to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare and install
Ubuntu - your response makes it seem a bit more worthwhile. It doesn't
run too well on my old 200MMX with 256 MB of RAM, directly from the CD.
Probably needs the 'virtual memory' to get things to run a bit more
effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD or did
you have to download them from a completely different (manufactures web
site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've installed
Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on System/Administration/Restricted Drivers
Manager. It takes five seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like you would
with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
snipped

Harry wrote :-

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully, successfully too,
by
dual-booting.

Err... that's exactly what the 'boot manager' does Harry - allows you to
dual boot!

In my case, the 'new' Boot Manager has (invisibly) installed itself on the
C: and when booting gives a 'DOS type' menu offering to continue to boot
either Ubuntu (plus a couple of other options) or WinMe. And, depending on
which option I select, boots the appropriate OS. WinMe on the C: and Ubuntu
on the D: (Or as the Boot Manager refers to them:- as (hd0,0) and (hd1,0)
respectively)

If you try it Harry, just use ONE HDD.

And BTW, my v 6.06 is the LTS version!

Mart



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to successfully
install
Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the wrong forum but FWIW - I
decided
to install it on my D: drive (WinMe being installed on the C: - which
runs
like a well oiled clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I can't
get
rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually
recognises my
PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but won't let me connect.
OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor my ps/2 mouse either!!) so
still
doesn't connect. If I try to re-edit the 'Networks' settings in v6.06,
it
won't reboot - just hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought
that
I'd lived thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading (and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a candle to
Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think I'll
stick
with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and Ubuntu
can't co-exist.

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully, successfully too,
by
dual-booting. I am surprised, that Mart tried his adventure, because you
have called attention to it before, if I rmember correctly. Think he might
back up and give it another try? There shouldn't be any conflicts between
the two, if residing on seperate drives.
Come to think of it, he also may have used the wrong version.
The one before me is ver. 6.06 LTS, sent to me directly from "Yonder".

Harry.

Alias



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and get
around
to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare and install
Ubuntu -
your response makes it seem a bit more worthwhile. It doesn't run too
well on my old 200MMX with 256 MB of RAM, directly from the CD.
Probably
needs the 'virtual memory' to get things to run a bit more
effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD or
did
you have to download them from a completely different (manufactures
web
site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've installed
Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on System/Administration/Restricted Drivers
Manager. It takes five seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like you
would
with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
snipped

Mart wrote:


May be that a 200MHz CPU and 256MB RAM just aren't adequate.

Bingo. The RAM is enough but the processor is a tad slow ;-)

Alias

What "BootManager" is that, Mart?
Does it come with the Ubuntu OS as part of the package?
I'll have to look into that and then make the proper decisions.
You may want to subscribe to "alt.os.linux.ubuntu" at "nntp.aioe.org" in
order to find some answers to your situation.
And why doesn't it make any difference to install a seperate hard drive?
I've one ready to go, but don't really need it, according to your estimate.
Once I have the neccessary answers, I'll go ahead and install my "Ubuntu" on
drive E or F, both yet empty partitions on my main hard drive, or the new
HD.
With a "bit" of luck I should get there allright.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry wrote :-

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully, successfully
too,
by
dual-booting.

Err... that's exactly what the 'boot manager' does Harry - allows you to
dual boot!

In my case, the 'new' Boot Manager has (invisibly) installed itself on the
C: and when booting gives a 'DOS type' menu offering to continue to boot
either Ubuntu (plus a couple of other options) or WinMe. And, depending on
which option I select, boots the appropriate OS. WinMe on the C: and
Ubuntu
on the D: (Or as the Boot Manager refers to them:- as (hd0,0) and (hd1,0)
respectively)

If you try it Harry, just use ONE HDD.

And BTW, my v 6.06 is the LTS version!

Mart



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to successfully
install
Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the wrong forum but FWIW - I
decided
to install it on my D: drive (WinMe being installed on the C: - which
runs
like a well oiled clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I can't
get
rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually
recognises my
PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but won't let me
connect.
OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor my ps/2 mouse either!!)
so
still
doesn't connect. If I try to re-edit the 'Networks' settings in
v6.06,
it
won't reboot - just hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought
that
I'd lived thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading
(and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a candle
to
Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think I'll
stick
with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and Ubuntu
can't co-exist.

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully, successfully
too,
by
dual-booting. I am surprised, that Mart tried his adventure, because you
have called attention to it before, if I rmember correctly. Think he
might
back up and give it another try? There shouldn't be any conflicts
between
the two, if residing on seperate drives.
Come to think of it, he also may have used the wrong version.
The one before me is ver. 6.06 LTS, sent to me directly from "Yonder".

Harry.

Alias



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and get
around
to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare and install
Ubuntu -
your response makes it seem a bit more worthwhile. It doesn't run
too
well on my old 200MMX with 256 MB of RAM, directly from the CD.
Probably
needs the 'virtual memory' to get things to run a bit more
effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD or
did
you have to download them from a completely different (manufactures
web
site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've installed
Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on System/Administration/Restricted Drivers
Manager. It takes five seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like you
would
with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
snipped

You generally get Lilo and Grub with Linux distros, Harry. That is, a choice
of two boot managers (as opposed to the reknowned gents outfitters of New
York, Paris, Milan, Trumpton and Camberwick Green). Of course, if you're
dualing it with XP that's three, and if you were already using, say,
PowerQuest's Boot Magic, that's four. If one of your partitions is NT4.0
with DR-DOS, that's another two! I think six the max I've had at once. You
can boot your Windows volumes with Lilo/Grub - though I never think as
elegantly as with the NT loader. Also you can end up with problems it takes
experience to undo (or paying someone to come round and get it up and
running again).

Shane


webster72n wrote:
What "BootManager" is that, Mart?
Does it come with the Ubuntu OS as part of the package?
I'll have to look into that and then make the proper decisions.
You may want to subscribe to "alt.os.linux.ubuntu" at "nntp.aioe.org"
in order to find some answers to your situation.
And why doesn't it make any difference to install a seperate hard
drive? I've one ready to go, but don't really need it, according to
your estimate. Once I have the neccessary answers, I'll go ahead and
install my "Ubuntu" on drive E or F, both yet empty partitions on my
main hard drive, or the new HD.
With a "bit" of luck I should get there allright.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry wrote :-

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully,
successfully too, by
dual-booting.

Err... that's exactly what the 'boot manager' does Harry - allows
you to dual boot!

In my case, the 'new' Boot Manager has (invisibly) installed itself
on the C: and when booting gives a 'DOS type' menu offering to
continue to boot either Ubuntu (plus a couple of other options) or
WinMe. And, depending on which option I select, boots the
appropriate OS. WinMe on the C: and Ubuntu on the D: (Or as the
Boot Manager refers to them:- as (hd0,0) and (hd1,0) respectively)

If you try it Harry, just use ONE HDD.

And BTW, my v 6.06 is the LTS version!

Mart



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias
wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to
successfully install Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the
wrong forum but FWIW - I decided to install it on my D: drive
(WinMe being installed on the C: - which runs like a well oiled
clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I
can't get
rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually
recognises my PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but
won't let me connect. OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor
my ps/2 mouse either!!) so still doesn't connect. If I try to
re-edit the 'Networks' settings in v6.06, it won't reboot - just
hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought that I'd lived
thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading (and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a
candle to Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think
I'll stick with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and
Ubuntu can't co-exist.

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully,
successfully too, by
dual-booting. I am surprised, that Mart tried his adventure,
because you have called attention to it before, if I rmember
correctly. Think he might back up and give it another try? There
shouldn't be any conflicts between the two, if residing on seperate
drives.
Come to think of it, he also may have used the wrong version.
The one before me is ver. 6.06 LTS, sent to me directly from
"Yonder".

Harry.

Alias



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and
get around to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare
and install Ubuntu - your response makes it seem a bit more
worthwhile. It doesn't run too well on my old 200MMX with 256
MB of RAM, directly from the CD. Probably needs the 'virtual
memory' to get things to run a bit more effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD
or did
you have to download them from a completely different
(manufactures web site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've
installed Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on
System/Administration/Restricted Drivers Manager. It takes five
seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like
you would with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
snipped

Mart,

You know the pitfall of FDISK /MBR. Having said that, I've always
successfully recovered from the Linux boot manager with it (as you well know
YMMV).

I'd better do a ps to Harry too. I always find it necessary to set the Linux
boot manager up on the same partition rather than the first partition on the
disk. This matters more if you have other boot managers too, but still does
not cause as much pain - eg you can delete the partition and it's gone!


Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to successfully
install Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the wrong forum but
FWIW - I decided to install it on my D: drive (WinMe being installed
on the C: - which runs like a well oiled clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I can't
get rid of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually
recognises my PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but won't
let me connect. OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor my ps/2
mouse either!!) so still doesn't connect. If I try to re-edit the
'Networks' settings in v6.06, it won't reboot - just hangs until I
re-install it. Jeepers! I thought that I'd lived thru' enough hours
watching spinning egg-timers loading (and re-loading) MS OS's over
the past years but they don't hold a candle to Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think I'll
stick with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and get
around to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare and
install Ubuntu - your response makes it seem a bit more worthwhile.
It doesn't run too well on my old 200MMX with 256 MB of RAM,
directly from the CD. Probably needs the 'virtual memory' to get
things to run a bit more effectively. BTW - did you find the 'restricted
drivers' elsewhere on the CD or
did you have to download them from a completely different
(manufactures web site?) source?

Mart

The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've installed
Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on System/Administration/Restricted Drivers
Manager. It takes five seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like you
would with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
snipped

DON'T BLOODY ENCOURAGE HIM!! He will be back here whining about how his
computer is somehow messed up. SMACK!!

"Shane" wrote in message
...
You generally get Lilo and Grub with Linux distros, Harry. That is, a
choice of two boot managers (as opposed to the reknowned gents
outfitters of New York, Paris, Milan, Trumpton and Camberwick Green).
Of course, if you're dualing it with XP that's three, and if you were
already using, say, PowerQuest's Boot Magic, that's four. If one of
your partitions is NT4.0 with DR-DOS, that's another two! I think six
the max I've had at once. You can boot your Windows volumes with
Lilo/Grub - though I never think as elegantly as with the NT loader.
Also you can end up with problems it takes experience to undo (or
paying someone to come round and get it up and running again).

Shane


webster72n wrote:
What "BootManager" is that, Mart?
Does it come with the Ubuntu OS as part of the package?
I'll have to look into that and then make the proper decisions.
You may want to subscribe to "alt.os.linux.ubuntu" at "nntp.aioe.org"
in order to find some answers to your situation.
And why doesn't it make any difference to install a seperate hard
drive? I've one ready to go, but don't really need it, according to
your estimate. Once I have the neccessary answers, I'll go ahead and
install my "Ubuntu" on drive E or F, both yet empty partitions on my
main hard drive, or the new HD.
With a "bit" of luck I should get there allright.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry wrote :-

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully,
successfully too, by
dual-booting.

Err... that's exactly what the 'boot manager' does Harry - allows
you to dual boot!

In my case, the 'new' Boot Manager has (invisibly) installed itself
on the C: and when booting gives a 'DOS type' menu offering to
continue to boot either Ubuntu (plus a couple of other options) or
WinMe. And, depending on which option I select, boots the
appropriate OS. WinMe on the C: and Ubuntu on the D: (Or as the
Boot Manager refers to them:- as (hd0,0) and (hd1,0) respectively)

If you try it Harry, just use ONE HDD.

And BTW, my v 6.06 is the LTS version!

Mart



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias
wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to
successfully install Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the
wrong forum but FWIW - I decided to install it on my D: drive
(WinMe being installed on the C: - which runs like a well oiled
clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I
can't get
rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually
recognises my PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but
won't let me connect. OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor
my ps/2 mouse either!!) so still doesn't connect. If I try to
re-edit the 'Networks' settings in v6.06, it won't reboot - just
hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought that I'd lived
thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading (and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a
candle to Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think
I'll stick with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and
Ubuntu can't co-exist.

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully,
successfully too, by
dual-booting. I am surprised, that Mart tried his adventure,
because you have called attention to it before, if I rmember
correctly. Think he might back up and give it another try? There
shouldn't be any conflicts between the two, if residing on seperate
drives.
Come to think of it, he also may have used the wrong version.
The one before me is ver. 6.06 LTS, sent to me directly from
"Yonder".

Harry.

Alias



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and
get around to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare
and install Ubuntu - your response makes it seem a bit more
worthwhile. It doesn't run too well on my old 200MMX with 256
MB of RAM, directly from the CD. Probably needs the 'virtual
memory' to get things to run a bit more effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD
or did
you have to download them from a completely different
(manufactures web site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've
installed Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on
System/Administration/Restricted Drivers Manager. It takes five
seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like
you would with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
snipped

PS, Harry. Set the boot manager up on the same partition as Linux is
installed to.

I'm pretty sure - though it's been a long, long time, what with the fact I'm
a control freak - that if left to the default it *will* install to the root
of the disk, and cause problems eventually if you want to remove it and go
back to how things were - such as Mart is now enjoying, but far more so if
you usually boot with the NT loader. So, you need to do what I do, and it is
not at all something for the novice, and just one more example of what I
keep saying, that Linux isn't ready to take on Windows. Because Windows is
where it is because of the novices being able to install it and run it
without having to take a course or pay someone to set it up. It would be
easier if more computers came with Linux pre-installed - but you have to
have M$ wealth to bribe and extort your way into *that* happy place, at
least these days. Still, with Windows, the novice in isolation isn't likely
to grind to a halt after half an hour because they no longer understand the
jargon.


Shane


Shane wrote:
You generally get Lilo and Grub with Linux distros, Harry. That is, a
choice of two boot managers (as opposed to the reknowned gents
outfitters of New York, Paris, Milan, Trumpton and Camberwick Green).
Of course, if you're dualing it with XP that's three, and if you were
already using, say, PowerQuest's Boot Magic, that's four. If one of your
partitions is NT4.0 with DR-DOS, that's another two! I think six
the max I've had at once. You can boot your Windows volumes with
Lilo/Grub - though I never think as elegantly as with the NT loader.
Also you can end up with problems it takes experience to undo (or
paying someone to come round and get it up and running again).

Shane


webster72n wrote:
What "BootManager" is that, Mart?
Does it come with the Ubuntu OS as part of the package?
I'll have to look into that and then make the proper decisions.
You may want to subscribe to "alt.os.linux.ubuntu" at "nntp.aioe.org"
in order to find some answers to your situation.
And why doesn't it make any difference to install a seperate hard
drive? I've one ready to go, but don't really need it, according to
your estimate. Once I have the neccessary answers, I'll go ahead and
install my "Ubuntu" on drive E or F, both yet empty partitions on my
main hard drive, or the new HD.
With a "bit" of luck I should get there allright.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
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Harry wrote :-

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully,
successfully too, by
dual-booting.

Err... that's exactly what the 'boot manager' does Harry - allows
you to dual boot!

In my case, the 'new' Boot Manager has (invisibly) installed itself
on the C: and when booting gives a 'DOS type' menu offering to
continue to boot either Ubuntu (plus a couple of other options) or
WinMe. And, depending on which option I select, boots the
appropriate OS. WinMe on the C: and Ubuntu on the D: (Or as the
Boot Manager refers to them:- as (hd0,0) and (hd1,0) respectively)

If you try it Harry, just use ONE HDD.

And BTW, my v 6.06 is the LTS version!

Mart



"webster72n" wrote in message
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"Alias" wrote in message
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Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias
wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to
successfully install Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the
wrong forum but FWIW - I decided to install it on my D: drive
(WinMe being installed on the C: - which runs like a well oiled
clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I
can't get
rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually
recognises my PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but
won't let me connect. OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor
my ps/2 mouse either!!) so still doesn't connect. If I try to
re-edit the 'Networks' settings in v6.06, it won't reboot - just
hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought that I'd lived
thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading (and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a
candle to Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think
I'll stick with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and
Ubuntu can't co-exist.

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully,
successfully too, by
dual-booting. I am surprised, that Mart tried his adventure,
because you have called attention to it before, if I rmember
correctly. Think he might back up and give it another try? There
shouldn't be any conflicts between the two, if residing on seperate
drives.
Come to think of it, he also may have used the wrong version.
The one before me is ver. 6.06 LTS, sent to me directly from
"Yonder".

Harry.

Alias



"Alias" wrote in message
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Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and
get around to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare
and install Ubuntu - your response makes it seem a bit more
worthwhile. It doesn't run too well on my old 200MMX with 256
MB of RAM, directly from the CD. Probably needs the 'virtual
memory' to get things to run a bit more effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD
or did
you have to download them from a completely different
(manufactures web site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've
installed Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on
System/Administration/Restricted Drivers Manager. It takes five
seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like
you would with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
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Shane wrote

You know the pitfall of FDISK /MBR. Having said that, I've always
successfully recovered from the Linux boot manager with it (as you well
know YMMV).

Thanks Shane, I did wonder if that was the way to go but was a little
apprehensive at this stage - hence the request for help g I'll try that
as a next to last resort before a complete FDISK etc.if neccessary and hope
that MyMMV in sync with yours. I'll probably play with Ubuntu for another
day or two - but I'm getting a bit pi**ed-off with it now and wait for
v12.12

FYI - The default (or duhfault, as Chris calls it - I like that)
installation was to 'guide' me to install to the D: drive - which was my
intention (although I was hoping that a change in the BIOS boot-order making
D: the first drive, would have been sufficient - Wrong!). So back to the C:
first, where I discovered that the 'invisible' Linux boot manager had
installed itself. Then I was left with no choice 8((

Harry, - if you're watching - DON'T go the two disk (dual boot) route. Just
start with an old 'spare' in place of the existing (known good and working)
C: and don't even consider a second disk at this stage! You can easily
replace the disk if Ubuntu goes pear-shaped and you'll have your (WinMe)
system back.

Mart