Ugrade from 98 OEM to 98SE Retail

That speed will be OK--just. But you'll want a *minimum* of 64MB of RAM.
Smooth running would want twice that. And, you should make sure the
wireless B adapter is compatible with the existing hardware.

Do you have a model in mind? If so, have a link?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"JKP" wrote in message
...
Gary or anyone,...I'm trying to get an old win 98 133 mhz pentium 1
machine
set up with a wireless B adapter for my 4th grader.....I need to
upgrade to
SE for the wireless adapter.....do you know the min system
requirements for
98 SE....I'm afraid I might be wasting my time on such a dinosaur
computer.
Thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

OK, you're good to go--*except* that if your system is now a fully
updated Windows 98, installing that Upgrade will actually constitute
a
significant downgrade. Any number of patches may get broken, and DLL
Hell will surely result, even if only in small doses. You will find
yourself with a much healthier system if you install Win98SE "clean"
to
a freshly formatted partition. You can either reformat your current
system, or you can set up a dual-boot scenario using a
partition/boot
manager like BootIt NG (www.bootitng.com.) You can then take your
time
setting up SE just the way you like it, installing the latest
3rd-party
apps like AcroReader, etc., while still retaining your old system
for
daily use until you get the new one set up just right. Then,
somewhere
down the line, you can delete the old system and recover the space.

A retail Upgrade CD can clean install by simply showing Setup your
qualifying media (in this case, the Win98 FE CD that came with your
system.) Worst case, you install First Edition with zero
option--barebones--then Upgrade.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
"Security!"
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Mouse" wrote in message
...
Thanks to all who replied.
I just wanted to make sure before doing the upgrade.
Just for clarification, I already have the retail 98SE
Upgrade disk, I need USB 2 support, and want to
install some software that lists 98SE as the minimum
OS requirement.

"Mouse" wrote in message
...


I have a Gateway PC that came with Win 98 installed.
Can I upgrade it to Win 98SE using a retail Win 98SE Upgrade CD,
or do I have to use a special OEM upgrade CD from Gateway?


Mouse

Umm, let's step back for a moment--To hook into a home network, a better
solution for that machine might be a wireless switch that includes CAT5
ports.

Like this: http://www.linksys.com/products/prod...id=602&scid=36

Combined with a standard Ethernet card installed in the current system,
no upgrade is necessary.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"JKP" wrote in message
...
Gary or anyone,...I'm trying to get an old win 98 133 mhz pentium 1
machine
set up with a wireless B adapter for my 4th grader.....I need to
upgrade to
SE for the wireless adapter.....do you know the min system
requirements for
98 SE....I'm afraid I might be wasting my time on such a dinosaur
computer.
Thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

OK, you're good to go--*except* that if your system is now a fully
updated Windows 98, installing that Upgrade will actually constitute
a
significant downgrade. Any number of patches may get broken, and DLL
Hell will surely result, even if only in small doses. You will find
yourself with a much healthier system if you install Win98SE "clean"
to
a freshly formatted partition. You can either reformat your current
system, or you can set up a dual-boot scenario using a
partition/boot
manager like BootIt NG (www.bootitng.com.) You can then take your
time
setting up SE just the way you like it, installing the latest
3rd-party
apps like AcroReader, etc., while still retaining your old system
for
daily use until you get the new one set up just right. Then,
somewhere
down the line, you can delete the old system and recover the space.

A retail Upgrade CD can clean install by simply showing Setup your
qualifying media (in this case, the Win98 FE CD that came with your
system.) Worst case, you install First Edition with zero
option--barebones--then Upgrade.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
"Security!"
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Mouse" wrote in message
...
Thanks to all who replied.
I just wanted to make sure before doing the upgrade.
Just for clarification, I already have the retail 98SE
Upgrade disk, I need USB 2 support, and want to
install some software that lists 98SE as the minimum
OS requirement.

"Mouse" wrote in message
...


I have a Gateway PC that came with Win 98 installed.
Can I upgrade it to Win 98SE using a retail Win 98SE Upgrade CD,
or do I have to use a special OEM upgrade CD from Gateway?


Mouse

Gary
Thanks for the great suggestion ! I'm new to wireless newtworking and I did
not know about wireless ethernet birdges. I looked at the product specs on
the link you provided...should do the trick...I just have to get a PCI
ethernet adapter and plug it into the same slot I was going to use for the
wireless adapter. Cool...thanks again !

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Umm, let's step back for a moment--To hook into a home network, a better
solution for that machine might be a wireless switch that includes CAT5
ports.

Like this: http://www.linksys.com/products/prod...id=602&scid=36

Combined with a standard Ethernet card installed in the current system,
no upgrade is necessary.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"JKP" wrote in message
...
Gary or anyone,...I'm trying to get an old win 98 133 mhz pentium 1
machine
set up with a wireless B adapter for my 4th grader.....I need to
upgrade to
SE for the wireless adapter.....do you know the min system
requirements for
98 SE....I'm afraid I might be wasting my time on such a dinosaur
computer.
Thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

OK, you're good to go--*except* that if your system is now a fully
updated Windows 98, installing that Upgrade will actually constitute
a
significant downgrade. Any number of patches may get broken, and DLL
Hell will surely result, even if only in small doses. You will find
yourself with a much healthier system if you install Win98SE "clean"
to
a freshly formatted partition. You can either reformat your current
system, or you can set up a dual-boot scenario using a
partition/boot
manager like BootIt NG (www.bootitng.com.) You can then take your
time
setting up SE just the way you like it, installing the latest
3rd-party
apps like AcroReader, etc., while still retaining your old system
for
daily use until you get the new one set up just right. Then,
somewhere
down the line, you can delete the old system and recover the space.

A retail Upgrade CD can clean install by simply showing Setup your
qualifying media (in this case, the Win98 FE CD that came with your
system.) Worst case, you install First Edition with zero
option--barebones--then Upgrade.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
"Security!"
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Mouse" wrote in message
...
Thanks to all who replied.
I just wanted to make sure before doing the upgrade.
Just for clarification, I already have the retail 98SE
Upgrade disk, I need USB 2 support, and want to
install some software that lists 98SE as the minimum
OS requirement.

"Mouse" wrote in message
...


I have a Gateway PC that came with Win 98 installed.
Can I upgrade it to Win 98SE using a retail Win 98SE Upgrade CD,
or do I have to use a special OEM upgrade CD from Gateway?


Mouse

Thanks for the info. I'm glad I came back to this thread before going
ahead with the upgrade. I've always done clean installs of 98SE in
the past, and I didn't realize that there were issues with doing an
upgrade on a patched system. This must have caused some real
headaches for a lot of people.

I noticed you used the words "fully updated". The system I am
upgrading is partially updated. Do you know if there is a specific point
in the update continuum at which the upgrade becomes a problem, or
a specific update or set of updates that are known to cause problems
with the upgrade?

This is for a friend and I told him if he got the disk, I would install it
for
him. He has a zillion applications and data files scattered all over the
harddrive and I would like to avoid spending a huge amount of time on
this. I guess your idea of a dual-boot would take a lot less time to set
up than a clean install.

Thanks again.

Mouse

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
OK, you're good to go--*except* that if your system is now a fully
updated Windows 98, installing that Upgrade will actually constitute a
significant downgrade. Any number of patches may get broken, and DLL
Hell will surely result, even if only in small doses. You will find
yourself with a much healthier system if you install Win98SE "clean" to
a freshly formatted partition. You can either reformat your current
system, or you can set up a dual-boot scenario using a partition/boot
manager like BootIt NG (www.bootitng.com.) You can then take your time
setting up SE just the way you like it, installing the latest 3rd-party
apps like AcroReader, etc., while still retaining your old system for
daily use until you get the new one set up just right. Then, somewhere
down the line, you can delete the old system and recover the space.

A retail Upgrade CD can clean install by simply showing Setup your
qualifying media (in this case, the Win98 FE CD that came with your
system.) Worst case, you install First Edition with zero
option--barebones--then Upgrade.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
"Security!"
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Mouse" wrote in message
...
Thanks to all who replied.
I just wanted to make sure before doing the upgrade.
Just for clarification, I already have the retail 98SE
Upgrade disk, I need USB 2 support, and want to
install some software that lists 98SE as the minimum
OS requirement.

"Mouse" wrote in message
...


I have a Gateway PC that came with Win 98 installed.
Can I upgrade it to Win 98SE using a retail Win 98SE Upgrade CD,
or do I have to use a special OEM upgrade CD from Gateway?

First, do a complete format after backing up any needed files. Second use
the Windows Security cd that is available free from Microsoft to update you
to updates as of October 2003 and switch your letter to 4.10.2222 B from
4.10.2222 A. Third install a firewall. A free one is available from Zone
Alarm and just Google Free Zone Alarm firewall and you can get a direct link
to the site. Fourth, use Windows Update site to get latest patches. Fifth,
install anti-spyware applications. My favorite is SpySweeper by Webroot but
it costs $30 and $20 if you can get it on sale for a year's subscription.
Next, use Google to find SpywareBlaster, Adaware and Spybot Search and
Destroy from Majorgeeks which is a fairly safe site as of this writing.
Also, considering downloading Mozilla Firefox from mozilla.org to lessen your
vulnerability. You will have 256 bit encryption, tabbed-browsing, better
information on stuff regarding settings and properties, no Active X
vulnerability, etc. I use Firefox for everything but Windows Update and the
few sites that require Internet Explorer. Finally, download an antivirus
program. I like and use AntiVir but if you want really good protection it is
available from Computer Associates E-Trust and their own software firewall
and antivirus program which I use in XP PRO. of my dual-boot 98SE/XP PRO.
computer. I should have mentioned to install these programs after
downloading them but I figured that was obvious. Have an awesome day and let
us know if we can be of any more assistance!

"Mouse" wrote in message
...
: Thanks for the info. I'm glad I came back to this thread before going
: ahead with the upgrade. I've always done clean installs of 98SE in
: the past, and I didn't realize that there were issues with doing an
: upgrade on a patched system. This must have caused some real
: headaches for a lot of people.
:
: I noticed you used the words "fully updated". The system I am
: upgrading is partially updated. Do you know if there is a specific point
: in the update continuum at which the upgrade becomes a problem, or
: a specific update or set of updates that are known to cause problems
: with the upgrade?
:
: This is for a friend and I told him if he got the disk, I would install it
: for
: him. He has a zillion applications and data files scattered all over the
: harddrive and I would like to avoid spending a huge amount of time on
: this. I guess your idea of a dual-boot would take a lot less time to set
: up than a clean install.
:
: Thanks again.
:
: Mouse
:
: "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: ...
: OK, you're good to go--*except* that if your system is now a fully
: updated Windows 98, installing that Upgrade will actually constitute a
: significant downgrade. Any number of patches may get broken, and DLL
: Hell will surely result, even if only in small doses. You will find
: yourself with a much healthier system if you install Win98SE "clean" to
: a freshly formatted partition. You can either reformat your current
: system, or you can set up a dual-boot scenario using a partition/boot
: manager like BootIt NG (www.bootitng.com.) You can then take your time
: setting up SE just the way you like it, installing the latest 3rd-party
: apps like AcroReader, etc., while still retaining your old system for
: daily use until you get the new one set up just right. Then, somewhere
: down the line, you can delete the old system and recover the space.
:
: A retail Upgrade CD can clean install by simply showing Setup your
: qualifying media (in this case, the Win98 FE CD that came with your
: system.) Worst case, you install First Edition with zero
: option--barebones--then Upgrade.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: "Security!"
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: "Mouse" wrote in message
: ...
: Thanks to all who replied.
: I just wanted to make sure before doing the upgrade.
: Just for clarification, I already have the retail 98SE
: Upgrade disk, I need USB 2 support, and want to
: install some software that lists 98SE as the minimum
: OS requirement.
:
: "Mouse" wrote in message
: ...
:
:
: I have a Gateway PC that came with Win 98 installed.
: Can I upgrade it to Win 98SE using a retail Win 98SE Upgrade CD,
: or do I have to use a special OEM upgrade CD from Gateway?
:
:
:

I should have added that I upgraded my D-Link router to a LinkSys router
which has much more hardware firewall protection. I had gotten 304 hits
towards my ZA PRO software firewall on my 98SE side. So far with this new
router and having it installed for about three weeks I have had 10 hits that
have managed to bypass the new $80 LinkSys router. I may have to upgrade my
router to an even stronger and more powerful one in the future to help stop
the hackers dead in their tracks. I so want to go on the offensive and start
knocking hackers pcs off the Internet. That would be awesome and maybe
Microsoft will someday sell software that would allow you to launch attacks
at hackers pcs by using some of your system resources against the hackers
pcs. I feel that we have sat on the sidelines too long and must now change
from a primary defensive posture into a more aggressive offensive posture.
Set me loose because I am ready to start shutting down hackers pcs. Everyone
have an awesome day.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
: First, do a complete format after backing up any needed files. Second use
: the Windows Security cd that is available free from Microsoft to update you
: to updates as of October 2003 and switch your letter to 4.10.2222 B from
: 4.10.2222 A. Third install a firewall. A free one is available from Zone
: Alarm and just Google Free Zone Alarm firewall and you can get a direct
link
: to the site. Fourth, use Windows Update site to get latest patches.
Fifth,
: install anti-spyware applications. My favorite is SpySweeper by Webroot
but
: it costs $30 and $20 if you can get it on sale for a year's subscription.
: Next, use Google to find SpywareBlaster, Adaware and Spybot Search and
: Destroy from Majorgeeks which is a fairly safe site as of this writing.
: Also, considering downloading Mozilla Firefox from mozilla.org to lessen
your
: vulnerability. You will have 256 bit encryption, tabbed-browsing, better
: information on stuff regarding settings and properties, no Active X
: vulnerability, etc. I use Firefox for everything but Windows Update and
the
: few sites that require Internet Explorer. Finally, download an antivirus
: program. I like and use AntiVir but if you want really good protection it
is
: available from Computer Associates E-Trust and their own software firewall
: and antivirus program which I use in XP PRO. of my dual-boot 98SE/XP PRO.
: computer. I should have mentioned to install these programs after
: downloading them but I figured that was obvious. Have an awesome day and
let
: us know if we can be of any more assistance!
:
: "Mouse" wrote in message
: ...
: : Thanks for the info. I'm glad I came back to this thread before going
: : ahead with the upgrade. I've always done clean installs of 98SE in
: : the past, and I didn't realize that there were issues with doing an
: : upgrade on a patched system. This must have caused some real
: : headaches for a lot of people.
: :
: : I noticed you used the words "fully updated". The system I am
: : upgrading is partially updated. Do you know if there is a specific point
: : in the update continuum at which the upgrade becomes a problem, or
: : a specific update or set of updates that are known to cause problems
: : with the upgrade?
: :
: : This is for a friend and I told him if he got the disk, I would install
it
: : for
: : him. He has a zillion applications and data files scattered all over the
: : harddrive and I would like to avoid spending a huge amount of time on
: : this. I guess your idea of a dual-boot would take a lot less time to set
: : up than a clean install.
: :
: : Thanks again.
: :
: : Mouse
: :
: : "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: : ...
: : OK, you're good to go--*except* that if your system is now a fully
: : updated Windows 98, installing that Upgrade will actually constitute a
: : significant downgrade. Any number of patches may get broken, and DLL
: : Hell will surely result, even if only in small doses. You will find
: : yourself with a much healthier system if you install Win98SE "clean" to
: : a freshly formatted partition. You can either reformat your current
: : system, or you can set up a dual-boot scenario using a partition/boot
: : manager like BootIt NG (www.bootitng.com.) You can then take your time
: : setting up SE just the way you like it, installing the latest 3rd-party
: : apps like AcroReader, etc., while still retaining your old system for
: : daily use until you get the new one set up just right. Then, somewhere
: : down the line, you can delete the old system and recover the space.
: :
: : A retail Upgrade CD can clean install by simply showing Setup your
: : qualifying media (in this case, the Win98 FE CD that came with your
: : system.) Worst case, you install First Edition with zero
: : option--barebones--then Upgrade.
: :
: : --
: : Gary S. Terhune
: : MS MVP Shell/User
: : "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: : "Security!"
: : http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
: :
: : "Mouse" wrote in message
: : ...
: : Thanks to all who replied.
: : I just wanted to make sure before doing the upgrade.
: : Just for clarification, I already have the retail 98SE
: : Upgrade disk, I need USB 2 support, and want to
: : install some software that lists 98SE as the minimum
: : OS requirement.
: :
: : "Mouse" wrote in message
: : ...
: :
: :
: : I have a Gateway PC that came with Win 98 installed.
: : Can I upgrade it to Win 98SE using a retail Win 98SE Upgrade CD,
: : or do I have to use a special OEM upgrade CD from Gateway?
: :
: :
: :
:
:

The "dual-boot" option *is* a clean install. It's just that all you have
to do for your friend is resize the old partition, create the new, then
install, update and configure the new. He can then proceed at his own
pace installing apps, configuring and moving personal data himself,
while still having the old system still available. However, this method
is predicated on having lots of free space remaining on the drive.
You're going to shrink the old partition to half its size (using
BootItNG, for example) and then create a new partition of equal size.
If there is currently less than 60% free space, you're going to have to
do some finagling and assume that lots of what is now on the system will
get left behind. Each partition needs to have at least 10 to 15 percent
free space.

Even "partially updated" systems will exhibit the same behavior in re
updates breaking. The critical issue is how much has been updated that
is more recent than Win98SE. Does it now have IE 5.5 or IE6 installed,
for instance. With Windows Updates and Win98, there isn't any decent way
to accurately determine which updates have been broken, so you end up
having to install all of the applicable ones (using the Windows Updates
Catalog), and that's chancy because they often have to be installed in a
particular order. It can be done, but it would entail a lot more help
from you than the dual-boot method

Aside: Tell your friend that *fully* updated is the way to run Windows,
particularly in the case of Critical Updates, but also in the case of
some "Optional" updates.

Your friend would be wise to collect all the applications installers
that he needs for the new system into one folder on the old system. Or
burn them to CDs. Same for applications updates, though he'll want to
always check for newer updates than those he now has. If you install to
a separate partition, (assuming the system really have room for
one--can't make them too tight, have to leave plenty of free space on
each,) then your friend can use the old system for whatever isn't yet
installed on the new, and meanwhile access the apps installers and
personal files on the old. Friend should also take careful stock of what
he has installed and only carry over the things he really uses. I don't
know what is meant by "zillions of applications" but I'm betting that
many of them are either not used.

In all, this may *not* be the ideal way to proceed, especially if the
hard drive is cramped for space. Another hard drive is one possibility
if this is the case. They're just not that expensive these days.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Mouse" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info. I'm glad I came back to this thread before going
ahead with the upgrade. I've always done clean installs of 98SE in
the past, and I didn't realize that there were issues with doing an
upgrade on a patched system. This must have caused some real
headaches for a lot of people.

I noticed you used the words "fully updated". The system I am
upgrading is partially updated. Do you know if there is a specific
point
in the update continuum at which the upgrade becomes a problem, or
a specific update or set of updates that are known to cause problems
with the upgrade?

This is for a friend and I told him if he got the disk, I would
install it
for
him. He has a zillion applications and data files scattered all over
the
harddrive and I would like to avoid spending a huge amount of time on
this. I guess your idea of a dual-boot would take a lot less time to
set
up than a clean install.

Thanks again.

Mouse

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
OK, you're good to go--*except* that if your system is now a fully
updated Windows 98, installing that Upgrade will actually constitute
a
significant downgrade. Any number of patches may get broken, and DLL
Hell will surely result, even if only in small doses. You will find
yourself with a much healthier system if you install Win98SE "clean"
to
a freshly formatted partition. You can either reformat your current
system, or you can set up a dual-boot scenario using a
partition/boot
manager like BootIt NG (www.bootitng.com.) You can then take your
time
setting up SE just the way you like it, installing the latest
3rd-party
apps like AcroReader, etc., while still retaining your old system
for
daily use until you get the new one set up just right. Then,
somewhere
down the line, you can delete the old system and recover the space.

A retail Upgrade CD can clean install by simply showing Setup your
qualifying media (in this case, the Win98 FE CD that came with your
system.) Worst case, you install First Edition with zero
option--barebones--then Upgrade.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
"Security!"
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Mouse" wrote in message
...
Thanks to all who replied.
I just wanted to make sure before doing the upgrade.
Just for clarification, I already have the retail 98SE
Upgrade disk, I need USB 2 support, and want to
install some software that lists 98SE as the minimum
OS requirement.

"Mouse" wrote in message
...


I have a Gateway PC that came with Win 98 installed.
Can I upgrade it to Win 98SE using a retail Win 98SE Upgrade CD,
or do I have to use a special OEM upgrade CD from Gateway?

Gary I have found that I like to apply updates one by one except in the case
of the initial install and updating where I apply them as soon as possible.
Just so I know what is the suggested way of updating when you are starting
from an initial install and also when more than one critical update has been
released. How does an end user decide which update to apply first.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
: The "dual-boot" option *is* a clean install. It's just that all you have
: to do for your friend is resize the old partition, create the new, then
: install, update and configure the new. He can then proceed at his own
: pace installing apps, configuring and moving personal data himself,
: while still having the old system still available. However, this method
: is predicated on having lots of free space remaining on the drive.
: You're going to shrink the old partition to half its size (using
: BootItNG, for example) and then create a new partition of equal size.
: If there is currently less than 60% free space, you're going to have to
: do some finagling and assume that lots of what is now on the system will
: get left behind. Each partition needs to have at least 10 to 15 percent
: free space.
:
: Even "partially updated" systems will exhibit the same behavior in re
: updates breaking. The critical issue is how much has been updated that
: is more recent than Win98SE. Does it now have IE 5.5 or IE6 installed,
: for instance. With Windows Updates and Win98, there isn't any decent way
: to accurately determine which updates have been broken, so you end up
: having to install all of the applicable ones (using the Windows Updates
: Catalog), and that's chancy because they often have to be installed in a
: particular order. It can be done, but it would entail a lot more help
: from you than the dual-boot method
:
: Aside: Tell your friend that *fully* updated is the way to run Windows,
: particularly in the case of Critical Updates, but also in the case of
: some "Optional" updates.
:
: Your friend would be wise to collect all the applications installers
: that he needs for the new system into one folder on the old system. Or
: burn them to CDs. Same for applications updates, though he'll want to
: always check for newer updates than those he now has. If you install to
: a separate partition, (assuming the system really have room for
: one--can't make them too tight, have to leave plenty of free space on
: each,) then your friend can use the old system for whatever isn't yet
: installed on the new, and meanwhile access the apps installers and
: personal files on the old. Friend should also take careful stock of what
: he has installed and only carry over the things he really uses. I don't
: know what is meant by "zillions of applications" but I'm betting that
: many of them are either not used.
:
: In all, this may *not* be the ideal way to proceed, especially if the
: hard drive is cramped for space. Another hard drive is one possibility
: if this is the case. They're just not that expensive these days.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: "Mouse" wrote in message
: ...
: Thanks for the info. I'm glad I came back to this thread before going
: ahead with the upgrade. I've always done clean installs of 98SE in
: the past, and I didn't realize that there were issues with doing an
: upgrade on a patched system. This must have caused some real
: headaches for a lot of people.
:
: I noticed you used the words "fully updated". The system I am
: upgrading is partially updated. Do you know if there is a specific
: point
: in the update continuum at which the upgrade becomes a problem, or
: a specific update or set of updates that are known to cause problems
: with the upgrade?
:
: This is for a friend and I told him if he got the disk, I would
: install it
: for
: him. He has a zillion applications and data files scattered all over
: the
: harddrive and I would like to avoid spending a huge amount of time on
: this. I guess your idea of a dual-boot would take a lot less time to
: set
: up than a clean install.
:
: Thanks again.
:
: Mouse
:
: "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
: ...
: OK, you're good to go--*except* that if your system is now a fully
: updated Windows 98, installing that Upgrade will actually constitute
: a
: significant downgrade. Any number of patches may get broken, and DLL
: Hell will surely result, even if only in small doses. You will find
: yourself with a much healthier system if you install Win98SE "clean"
: to
: a freshly formatted partition. You can either reformat your current
: system, or you can set up a dual-boot scenario using a
: partition/boot
: manager like BootIt NG (www.bootitng.com.) You can then take your
: time
: setting up SE just the way you like it, installing the latest
: 3rd-party
: apps like AcroReader, etc., while still retaining your old system
: for
: daily use until you get the new one set up just right. Then,
: somewhere
: down the line, you can delete the old system and recover the space.
:
: A retail Upgrade CD can clean install by simply showing Setup your
: qualifying media (in this case, the Win98 FE CD that came with your
: system.) Worst case, you install First Edition with zero
: option--barebones--then Upgrade.
:
: --
: Gary S. Terhune
: MS MVP Shell/User
: "Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
: "Security!"
: http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
:
: "Mouse" wrote in message
: ...
: Thanks to all who replied.
: I just wanted to make sure before doing the upgrade.
: Just for clarification, I already have the retail 98SE
: Upgrade disk, I need USB 2 support, and want to
: install some software that lists 98SE as the minimum
: OS requirement.
:
: "Mouse" wrote in message
: ...
:
:
: I have a Gateway PC that came with Win 98 installed.
: Can I upgrade it to Win 98SE using a retail Win 98SE Upgrade CD,
: or do I have to use a special OEM upgrade CD from Gateway?
:
:
:
:

Dan wrote:
Gary I have found that I like to apply updates one by one except in the
case
of the initial install and updating where I apply them as soon as
possible.
Just so I know what is the suggested way of updating when you are starting
from an initial install and also when more than one critical update has
been
released. How does an end user decide which update to apply first.

(I can tell ya, but I don't think you want to hear my answer). LOL.

First thing *I* do is update IE to the latest version. That and DX, WMP,
etc. Removes a lot of items from the list in one fell swoop and or gives
you a new list that you would eventually had to apply, but which didn't
yet have the pre-reqs present. And, of course, there is the Windows
Updates Security CD that will take care of most of it.

Outside of that, there is no simple way of knowing. Date is a reasonable
factor to consider, but then, many handfuls of updates are released on
Tuesdays. Which comes first? Also, date can be weird because of the
following situation:

Update B is predicated upon Update A, but then Update A gets superseded
by Update C. C comes after A, but should be installed before A. In
reality this isn't a common scenario, and C will have been configured to
install after B, usually--or will supersede *both* A and B. But stranger
things have been known to happen--probably the source of more than one
"problem" update.

Me, I would tear the updates apart and do some comparison of the files
they contain, looking it all up, reading all the literature to get the
gist of the history involved. Or, just let Windows Updates handle it.
I'm not nearly so anal about running a fresh backup after each
individual update, I'd back up before the update session and revert
entirely if something gets hinky.

Or you can pick the earliest, backup before each one, keep dozens of
full backups and pray. And let *lots* of time go by between each backup
so you can find out if anything went wrong and restore from backup. It
does absolutely no good to backup, update, backup, update, etc., for a
dozen updates in immediate progression. Consider that handful of updates
one single update for backup and restoration (and testing) purposes.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Dan wrote:
Gary I have found that I like to apply updates one by one except in
the
case
of the initial install and updating where I apply them as soon as
possible.
Just so I know what is the suggested way of updating when you are
starting
from an initial install and also when more than one critical update
has
been
released. How does an end user decide which update to apply first.

(I can tell ya, but I don't think you want to hear my answer). LOL.