Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion

'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe
computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that
System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of. I
don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used
to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how
disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time.

Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they
existed. It also seemed I never needed them.

Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did)
System Restore points can really save your system.

In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility
destroys Restore points.

Can some one please clarify this situation?

HTH
Bob from Oceanside

Bob

This NG is getting quieter and quieter so not sure if one of the guru's will
appear with expert knowledge. In the meantime, rest assured that disk
defragging does not negatively impact System Restore. The first thing to
check is to ensure that you have the patch for SR, namely KB290700.

HTH

Dan

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'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe
computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that
System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of. I
don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used
to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how
disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time.

Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they
existed. It also seemed I never needed them.

Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did)
System Restore points can really save your system.

In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility
destroys Restore points.

Can some one please clarify this situation?

HTH
Bob from Oceanside

Bob wrote:

'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe
computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that
System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of.

One good reason for this is obviously your messing about

I
don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used
to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how
disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time.

Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they
existed. It also seemed I never needed them.

Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did)
System Restore points can really save your system.

In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility
destroys Restore points.

Can some one please clarify this situation?

Answer. Stop fiddling g and instead explain exactly what is happening.
You have provided no details, no error messages, nothing other than
admitting you fiddled with your system and that system restore now no
longer works.

Meanwhile may I suggest you try the following quick test the results of
which might give a clue as to what is happening.

a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file.
b) Create a manual checkpoint
Could you create a checkpoint?
c) Delete the shortcut
d) Restore your PC to the checkpoint you created.
Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages?
e) Reboot your PC
Was the checkpoint retained?
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Mike Maltby

"Mike M" wrote in message
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Bob wrote:

'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe
computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that
System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of.

One good reason for this is obviously your messing about

I
don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used
to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how
disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time.

Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they
existed. It also seemed I never needed them.

Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did)
System Restore points can really save your system.

In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility
destroys Restore points.

Can some one please clarify this situation?

Answer. Stop fiddling g and instead explain exactly what is happening.
You have provided no details, no error messages, nothing other than
admitting you fiddled with your system and that system restore now no
longer works.

Meanwhile may I suggest you try the following quick test the results of
which might give a clue as to what is happening.

a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file.
b) Create a manual checkpoint
Could you create a checkpoint?
c) Delete the shortcut
d) Restore your PC to the checkpoint you created.
Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages?
e) Reboot your PC
Was the checkpoint retained?

Don't mean to interfere, Mike, but oddly enough the same thing happened to
me after my last defragmentation with 'Diskeeper Light', I lost all of my
restore points and only realized the reason, when reading this post. I
followed your recommended procedure and was unable to retain the checkpoint,
the shortcut remained in the recycle bin and was not reproduced on the
desktop..
There were no error messages and the reboot is automatic.
Nothing else seems to be wrong.
H.

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Mike Maltby

Harry,

I personally doubt that running diskeeper light has much to do with your
problem otherwise we would have seen many such reports over the last eight
years. Defragging a system doesn't delete files from the system restore
archive. You say you were unable to retain a checkpoint after rebooting
your system. Something else is at play here, probably something you run
each time you boot your system but in the absence of information I'll
leave it to you to establish what that might be.

shortcut remained in the recycle bin

As I would expect. System Restore has no interest in the recycle bin nor
its contents. Restored files are not restored from the recycle bin but
rather from the system restore archive.
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Mike Maltby



webster72n wrote:

Don't mean to interfere, Mike, but oddly enough the same thing
happened to me after my last defragmentation with 'Diskeeper Light',
I lost all of my restore points and only realized the reason, when
reading this post. I followed your recommended procedure and was
unable to retain the checkpoint, the shortcut remained in the recycle
bin and was not reproduced on the desktop..
There were no error messages and the reboot is automatic.
Nothing else seems to be wrong.
H.

"Mike M" wrote in message
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Harry,

I personally doubt that running diskeeper light has much to do with your
problem otherwise we would have seen many such reports over the last eight
years. Defragging a system doesn't delete files from the system restore
archive. You say you were unable to retain a checkpoint after rebooting
your system.

My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut within
the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin.
Since I don't have any problems creating a System CheckPoint and System
Restore works fine otherwise, I'll have to be on the look-out for any
inconsistencies in this area.
Thanks for the enlightenment, Mike.

Harry.

Something else is at play here, probably something you run
each time you boot your system but in the absence of information I'll
leave it to you to establish what that might be.

shortcut remained in the recycle bin

As I would expect. System Restore has no interest in the recycle bin nor
its contents. Restored files are not restored from the recycle bin but
rather from the system restore archive.
--
Mike Maltby



webster72n wrote:

Don't mean to interfere, Mike, but oddly enough the same thing
happened to me after my last defragmentation with 'Diskeeper Light',
I lost all of my restore points and only realized the reason, when
reading this post. I followed your recommended procedure and was
unable to retain the checkpoint, the shortcut remained in the recycle
bin and was not reproduced on the desktop..
There were no error messages and the reboot is automatic.
Nothing else seems to be wrong.
H.

At the risk of repeating myself THE RECYCLE BIN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
SYSTEM RESTORE. System Restore does not use the recycle bin, it does not
undelete files from the recycle bin. After eight years I would have hoped
that you would know this.

My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut
within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin.

Nonsensical. A checkpoint is exactly that, a snapshot frozen in time of
the state of the system at that point. So if snapshot/checkpoint "A" was
made when the shortcut/file or whatever was present, then if subsequently
the shortcut or file is deleted, restoring to snapshot/checkpoint "A" will
restore the deleted file or shortcut regardless of whether it is in the
recycle bin PROVIDED that the file is a) of a type monitored by system
restore (and shortcuts are) and b) the file/shortcut is in a monitored
location such as the desktop unless you have chosen to modify filelist.xml
and exclude that location.
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Mike Maltby



webster72n wrote:

My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut
within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin.
Since I don't have any problems creating a System CheckPoint and
System Restore works fine otherwise, I'll have to be on the look-out
for any inconsistencies in this area.
Thanks for the enlightenment, Mike.

"Mike M" wrote in message
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At the risk of repeating myself THE RECYCLE BIN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
SYSTEM RESTORE. System Restore does not use the recycle bin, it does not
undelete files from the recycle bin. After eight years I would have hoped
that you would know this.

My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut
within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin.

Nonsensical. A checkpoint is exactly that, a snapshot frozen in time of
the state of the system at that point. So if snapshot/checkpoint "A" was
made when the shortcut/file or whatever was present, then if subsequently
the shortcut or file is deleted, restoring to snapshot/checkpoint "A" will
restore the deleted file or shortcut regardless of whether it is in the
recycle bin PROVIDED that the file is a) of a type monitored by system
restore (and shortcuts are) and b) the file/shortcut is in a monitored
location such as the desktop unless you have chosen to modify filelist.xml
and exclude that location.

Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like.

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Mike Maltby



webster72n wrote:

My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut
within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin.
Since I don't have any problems creating a System CheckPoint and
System Restore works fine otherwise, I'll have to be on the look-out
for any inconsistencies in this area.
Thanks for the enlightenment, Mike.

Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?

Yes, Shortcuts to a file or folder have a (hidden) LNK extension whereas
those to sites have a (hidden) URL extension. System Restore only
monitors LNK files, not URL files as it has no interest in user data,
That is why, in my initial post, I stated "a) Create a shortcut on your
desktop to a file" rather than a shortcut to an internet location or site

Repeating myself briefly.
Create shortcut
Create checkpoint to a file on the system
Delete shortcut
Rollback to checkpoint
The checkpoint should now be restored.
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Mike Maltby



webster72n wrote:

Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like.

Correction (Thanks G or perhaps that should be webster999)
Create checkpoint to a file on the system
should, of course, have read
Create SHORTCUT to a file on the system.

Se what you're doing to me now Harry? I just can't even think straight
any more! vbg
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Mike Maltby



Mike M wrote:

Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?

Yes, Shortcuts to a file or folder have a (hidden) LNK extension
whereas those to sites have a (hidden) URL extension. System Restore
only monitors LNK files, not URL files as it has no interest in user
data, That is why, in my initial post, I stated "a) Create a shortcut
on your desktop to a file" rather than a shortcut to an internet
location or site
Repeating myself briefly.
Create shortcut
Create checkpoint to a file on the system
Delete shortcut
Rollback to checkpoint
The checkpoint should now be restored.

Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like.