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Daylight Savings Patch
Anyone had experience with the patch from:
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU That is: Q931836.exe Thanks! I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them manually if I can avoid it. |
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Daylight Savings Patch
"tom" wrote in message ups.com... | Anyone had experience with the patch from: | | http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU | | That is: | | Q931836.exe | | Thanks! | | I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them manually if | I | can avoid it. | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed in this forum via several threads. To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may be related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is modifying/creating] a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with the various issues related to other areas of the world [if I remember correctly]. http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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Daylight Savings Patch
MEB wrote:
| "tom" wrote in message | ups.com... || Anyone had experience with the patch from: || || http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU || || That is: || || Q931836.exe || || Thanks! || || I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them manually if || I || can avoid it. || | | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed in | this forum via several threads. | To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may be | related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is modifying/creating] | a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with the various issues | related to other areas of the world [if I remember correctly]. | | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running his ..reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one from... http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU ....does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to that one, though, for another reason. The following is required to do in the USA only... http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914387 How to configure daylight saving time for the United States in 2007 .......Quote....... INTRODUCTION Because of the Energy Policy Act, daylight saving time is extended by four weeks in 2007. This change starts on the second Sunday of March and ends on the first Sunday of November. .......EOQ......... The time has come to follow the instructions in that article, or, perhaps a bit more clear... (a) Click TZEDIT.EXE. It opens with your time zone selected. (b) Click the Edit button. (c) Change the Start Day to... Second, Sunday, March. (d) Change the Last Day to... First, Sunday, November. (e) Click the OK button. (f) Click the Close button. (g) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel, and then double-click Date/Time. (h) Click the Time Zone tab. (i) Select a different time zone than (the one you are set at), and then click Apply. (j) Click (back to the one you were set at), and then click OK. "Note Steps i and j are required for the new changes to take effect", the article says, as does TZEdit's own help screen. Do so before March 11, 2007. If you cannot get TZEdit.exe from your personal copy of the Resource Kit, get it from the above article as Candlin saw or from... ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/tec...Reskit/CONFIG/..., as Laura Fredericks did discover, after likely 1/2 ton of clicking (although she denies it). | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the | "real world" | http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion | group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world | | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business | as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill | Or to put it another way: | Morpheus can offer you the two pills; | but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue | one. _______________ -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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"PCR" wrote in message ... | MEB wrote: | | "tom" wrote in message | | ups.com... | || Anyone had experience with the patch from: | || | || http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU | || | || That is: | || | || Q931836.exe | || | || Thanks! | || | || I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them manually if | || I | || can avoid it. | || | | | | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed in | | this forum via several threads. | | To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may be | | related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is modifying/creating] | | a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with the various issues | | related to other areas of the world [if I remember correctly]. | | | | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm | | Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that steps | (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running his | .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one | from... | http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU | ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to | that one, though, for another reason. Debatable though, but we respect Terhune soo.. BG DANG, I saw cquirke rolled through,,, did he stay to chat or was this the immaculate desception... grab him quick before he gets away.. | | The following is required to do in the USA only... | | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914387 | How to configure daylight saving time for the United States in 2007 | ......Quote....... | INTRODUCTION | Because of the Energy Policy Act, daylight saving time is extended by | four weeks in 2007. This change starts on the second Sunday of March and | ends on the first Sunday of November. | ......EOQ......... | | The time has come to follow the instructions in that article, or, | perhaps a bit more clear... | | (a) Click TZEDIT.EXE. | It opens with your time zone selected. | (b) Click the Edit button. | (c) Change the Start Day to... Second, Sunday, March. | (d) Change the Last Day to... First, Sunday, November. | (e) Click the OK button. | (f) Click the Close button. | (g) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel, | and then double-click Date/Time. | (h) Click the Time Zone tab. | (i) Select a different time zone than (the one you are set at), | and then click Apply. | (j) Click (back to the one you were set at), and then click OK. | | "Note Steps i and j are required for the new changes to take effect", | the article says, as does TZEdit's own help screen. | | Do so before March 11, 2007. If you cannot get TZEdit.exe from your | personal copy of the Resource Kit, get it from the above article as | Candlin saw or from... | ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/tec...Reskit/CONFIG/..., | as Laura Fredericks did discover, after likely 1/2 ton of clicking | (although she denies it). | | | -- | | MEB | | _______________ | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | Should things get worse after this, | PCR | | | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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Daylight Savings Patch
On Feb 14, 7:44 pm, "PCR" wrote:
MEB wrote: | "tom" wrote in message oups.com... || Anyone had experience with the patch from: || ||http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU || || That is: || || Q931836.exe || || Thanks! || || I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them manually if || I || can avoid it. || | | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed in | this forum via several threads. | To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may be | related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is modifying/creating] | a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with the various issues | related to other areas of the world [if I remember correctly]. | |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to that one, though, for another reason. Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search the news groups. I did find one where you pointed out that (g) though (j) should be run, but no reply from Terhune. I tested the grystmill patch without running steps (g) through (j) and it worked. Tested on 98SE by moving the time forward and letting it pass through 2 AM on March 11, 2007. So, when does this (g) through (j) issue apply. I have already applied the patch on a number of systems, I need to know if I should do the (g) through (j) thing on all systems, some systems, or no systems. The following is required to do in the USA only... http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914387 How to configure daylight saving time for the United States in 2007 ......Quote....... INTRODUCTION Because of the Energy Policy Act, daylight saving time is extended by four weeks in 2007. This change starts on the second Sunday of March and ends on the first Sunday of November. ......EOQ......... The time has come to follow the instructions in that article, or, perhaps a bit more clear... (a) Click TZEDIT.EXE. It opens with your time zone selected. (b) Click the Edit button. (c) Change the Start Day to... Second, Sunday, March. (d) Change the Last Day to... First, Sunday, November. (e) Click the OK button. (f) Click the Close button. (g) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel, and then double-click Date/Time. (h) Click the Time Zone tab. (i) Select a different time zone than (the one you are set at), and then click Apply. (j) Click (back to the one you were set at), and then click OK. "Note Steps i and j are required for the new changes to take effect", the article says, as does TZEdit's own help screen. Do so before March 11, 2007. If you cannot get TZEdit.exe from your personal copy of the Resource Kit, get it from the above article as Candlin saw or from...ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/tec...Reskit/CONFIG/..., as Laura Fredericks did discover, after likely 1/2 ton of clicking (although she denies it). | -- | MEB |http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | BLOG -http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/Public Notice or the | "real world" |http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en- discussion | group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world | | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business | as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill | Or to put it another way: | Morpheus can offer you the two pills; | but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue | one. _______________ -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR |
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Daylight Savings Patch
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"PCR" wrote: MEB wrote: |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to that one, though, for another reason. Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search the news groups. Gary answering 'John John', agreeing he'd forgotten to add something: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/msg/b62be55998073a81?hl=en In my 'locale' /they/ haven't changed these self-delusion rules, with mucking around with /relative/ time, recently so i have only skimmed through the discussions about it. I did find one where you pointed out that (g) though (j) should be run, but no reply from Terhune. I tested the grystmill patch without running steps (g) through (j) and it worked. Tested on 98SE by moving the time forward and letting it pass through 2 AM on March 11, 2007. So, when does this (g) through (j) issue apply. I have already applied the patch on a number of systems, I need to know if I should do the (g) through (j) thing on all systems, some systems, or no systems. -- Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion. Please followup in the newsgroup. E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control. |
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On Feb 15, 8:47 am, "... et al."
wrote: tom wrote: "PCR" wrote: MEB wrote: |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to that one, though, for another reason. Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search the news groups. Gary answering 'John John', agreeing he'd forgotten to add something: The above link does not work. http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/... That still does not explain if you need to do those steps for 98SE. It's pretty ambiguous. Are the extra steps needed for some systems, but not all? I am not sure. I have a bunch of systems to do, so I would like to avoid extra steps if possible. In my 'locale' /they/ haven't changed these self-delusion rules, with mucking around with /relative/ time, recently so i have only skimmed through the discussions about it. I did find one where you pointed out that (g) though (j) should be run, but no reply from Terhune. I tested the grystmill patch without running steps (g) through (j) and it worked. Tested on 98SE by moving the time forward and letting it pass through 2 AM on March 11, 2007. So, when does this (g) through (j) issue apply. I have already applied the patch on a number of systems, I need to know if I should do the (g) through (j) thing on all systems, some systems, or no systems. -- Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion. Please followup in the newsgroup. E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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tom wrote:
"... et al."wrote: tom wrote: "PCR" wrote: MEB wrote: |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to that one, though, for another reason. Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search the news groups. Gary answering 'John John', agreeing he'd forgotten to add something: The above link does not work. It's a Universal, well Global, Resource Identifier not limited to Google. If it works depends on setup (Newsclient & OS) and the retention of posts at your Newsgroup Service Provider. It is the same thing as what you found via the next link: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/... That still does not explain if you need to do those steps for 98SE. It's pretty ambiguous. Are the extra steps needed for some systems, but not all? I am not sure. I have a bunch of systems to do, so I would like to avoid extra steps if possible. Understandable. In my 'locale' /they/ haven't changed these self-delusion rules, with mucking around with /relative/ time, recently so i have only skimmed through the discussions about it. So you'd better wait until the earth turns so that Gary, PCR and the others 'over there' wakes up and and comes back to you with more detailed info. -- Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion. Please followup in the newsgroup. E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control. |
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"... et al." wrote in message ... | tom wrote: | | "... et al."wrote: | | tom wrote: | | "PCR" wrote: | | MEB wrote: | |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm | | Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that steps | (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running his | .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one | from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU | ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to | that one, though, for another reason. | | Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search the | news groups. | | Gary answering 'John John', agreeing he'd forgotten to add something: | | | | The above link does not work. | | It's a Universal, well Global, Resource Identifier not limited to | Google. If it works depends on setup (Newsclient & OS) and the retention | of posts at your Newsgroup Service Provider. It is the same thing as | what you found via the next link: | | http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/... | | That still does not explain if you need to do those steps for 98SE. | It's pretty ambiguous. Are the extra steps needed for some systems, | but not all? I am not sure. | | I have a bunch of systems to do, so I would like to avoid extra steps | if possible. | | Understandable. | | In my 'locale' /they/ haven't changed these self-delusion rules, with | mucking around with /relative/ time, recently so i have only skimmed | through the discussions about it. | | So you'd better wait until the earth turns so that Gary, PCR and the | others 'over there' wakes up and and comes back to you with more | detailed info. | | -- | Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion. | | Please followup in the newsgroup. | E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control. IIRC, the issue was addressed. One issue was the need to shut down the computer to ensure the registry changes took effect on 98 and NT [unlike other newer OSs that might refresh hives occasionally or automatically] but then if one installs much if anything that should be a no-brainer, no shutdown - no proper registry changes and potential loss due to some prewritten registry loss or other issue. I would do this shutdown and restart for either suggested fix and EVERY installation regardless of no supposed need. Its always better to be safe than sorry. We should all realize by now, how effective others claims are,; one need only think of how many times have we had to override defaults or set program settings for them to work in our individual and unique systems. As for the need to change timezones back and forth: that, to me, seems it would be taken care of during the time period from now til the actual change period. The registry will/should have been updated everywhere [swap and otherwise] due to length of time involved; however, if INSTANT verification is needed, or if waiting until the "last minute" or after the change has taken effect, then it appears, the timezone changeovers would be needed, as these would force instant change, again with necessary shutdowns and restarts. But then Gary would be the one to actually confirm exactly what his modification requires, and what those who tested it reported. Just as the one on MGDX would have to be verified by the users of that particular fix. I open this discussion again for those verifications of either or other fixes. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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MEB wrote:
"... et al." wrote in message ... | tom wrote: | | "... et al."wrote: | | tom wrote: | | "PCR" wrote: | | MEB wrote: | |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm | | Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that steps | (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running his | .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one | from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU | ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to | that one, though, for another reason. | | Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search the | news groups. | | Gary answering 'John John', agreeing he'd forgotten to add something: | | | | The above link does not work. | | It's a Universal, well Global, Resource Identifier not limited to | Google. If it works depends on setup (Newsclient & OS) and the retention | of posts at your Newsgroup Service Provider. It is the same thing as | what you found via the next link: | | http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion/... | | That still does not explain if you need to do those steps for 98SE. | It's pretty ambiguous. Are the extra steps needed for some systems, | but not all? I am not sure. | | I have a bunch of systems to do, so I would like to avoid extra steps | if possible. | | Understandable. | | In my 'locale' /they/ haven't changed these self-delusion rules, with | mucking around with /relative/ time, recently so i have only skimmed | through the discussions about it. | | So you'd better wait until the earth turns so that Gary, PCR and the | others 'over there' wakes up and and comes back to you with more | detailed info. | | -- | Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion. | | Please followup in the newsgroup. | E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control. IIRC, the issue was addressed. One issue was the need to shut down the computer to ensure the registry changes took effect on 98 and NT [unlike other newer OSs that might refresh hives occasionally or automatically] but then if one installs much if anything that should be a no-brainer, no shutdown - no proper registry changes and potential loss due to some prewritten registry loss or other issue. I would do this shutdown and restart for either suggested fix and EVERY installation regardless of no supposed need. Its always better to be safe than sorry. We should all realize by now, how effective others claims are,; one need only think of how many times have we had to override defaults or set program settings for them to work in our individual and unique systems. As for the need to change timezones back and forth: that, to me, seems it would be taken care of during the time period from now til the actual change period. The registry will/should have been updated everywhere [swap and otherwise] due to length of time involved; however, if INSTANT verification is needed, or if waiting until the "last minute" or after the change has taken effect, then it appears, the timezone changeovers would be needed, as these would force instant change, again with necessary shutdowns and restarts. But then Gary would be the one to actually confirm exactly what his modification requires, and what those who tested it reported. Just as the one on MGDX would have to be verified by the users of that particular fix. I open this discussion again for those verifications of either or other fixes. As I understand it, on Windows 98 the information is stored in these 2 registry keys: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time Zones HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation The first key contains the database for _ALL_ time zones. The second key contains the information for the time zone _CURRENTLY_ being used on the computer. The information in this second key was _COPIED_ from the database information stored in the first key _WHEN_ the time zone was set. If the information now is different than when the time zone was set, the information in the second key has to be refreshed to reflect the changes made in the first key, if not the time will not change as expected on the new date. The information above can be confirmed (infered) by reading various Microsoft KB articles regarding time zones and Windows 9x. For example this is explained in one article: [quote] Changes made with Time Zone Editor affect the stored data for time zones in the registry. If a time zone is already set on the computer, that data is saved in another location in the registry. In order for the new information to be used, you must use the Date/Time tool in Control Panel and select or re-select the time zone. [End quote] http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158195/ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886775 In these articles Microsoft clearly instructs Windows 98 users to change the information in the HKLM TimeZoneInformation key. John |
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