new hard drive problem

Bought Maxtor 80GB HDD and installed. Ran the Maxtor installation without
problem UNTIL.

Went to restore an image from Dri ve Image 4 and Maxtor added a DDO to my
system and I can't get the rescue disk program to run. The error indicates
that a Drive Overlay is installed but not running.

Put in system disk in Drive A and reboot and press the space bar when the
system starts. Well I used the bootable Drive Image 4 disk 1 as my system
disk. was this wrong.

What should I do now.

How can I wipe clean the new Hard Drive and start over using Partrition
Magic (should have use PM in the first place)

Thanks,

BL

Finally was abale to get rid of the DDO anf then used PM to partition the
drive and was able to restore my recent Drive Image 4 image.

Thanks to all for previous suggestions.

BL
"MedRxman" wrote in message
...
Bought Maxtor 80GB HDD and installed. Ran the Maxtor installation without
problem UNTIL.

Went to restore an image from Dri ve Image 4 and Maxtor added a DDO to my
system and I can't get the rescue disk program to run. The error indicates
that a Drive Overlay is installed but not running.

Put in system disk in Drive A and reboot and press the space bar when the
system starts. Well I used the bootable Drive Image 4 disk 1 as my system
disk. was this wrong.

What should I do now.

How can I wipe clean the new Hard Drive and start over using Partrition
Magic (should have use PM in the first place)

Thanks,

BL

Thought a DDO was an option in Maxtor/WD/Seagate cloning software, not a
hidden, unused insertion if not needed?
DI only needs empty space, no previously created partition to restore to.
Yes, you need something to create a partition(s) in the remaining empty
space. PM or fdisk/format etc.

"MedRxman" wrote in message
...
Finally was abale to get rid of the DDO anf then used PM to partition the
drive and was able to restore my recent Drive Image 4 image.

Thanks to all for previous suggestions.

BL
"MedRxman" wrote in message
...
Bought Maxtor 80GB HDD and installed. Ran the Maxtor installation
without
problem UNTIL.

Went to restore an image from Dri ve Image 4 and Maxtor added a DDO to
my
system and I can't get the rescue disk program to run. The error
indicates
that a Drive Overlay is installed but not running.

Put in system disk in Drive A and reboot and press the space bar when
the
system starts. Well I used the bootable Drive Image 4 disk 1 as my
system
disk. was this wrong.

What should I do now.

How can I wipe clean the new Hard Drive and start over using Partrition
Magic (should have use PM in the first place)

Thanks,

BL

Maxtor never gave me the option. Did not realize the DDO was there until I
went to boot from the rescue disks of Drive Image so I could restore an
image made prior to installing the new HDD.

I later read on the Maxtor site that the installation disk automatically
adds the DDO if the BIOS won't support large disks.

Could not remove the DDO with the Maxtr installation disk. The remove option
was blocked out. I did send Maxtor a letter of disapproval.
"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
Thought a DDO was an option in Maxtor/WD/Seagate cloning software, not a
hidden, unused insertion if not needed?
DI only needs empty space, no previously created partition to restore to.
Yes, you need something to create a partition(s) in the remaining empty
space. PM or fdisk/format etc.

"MedRxman" wrote in message
...
Finally was abale to get rid of the DDO anf then used PM to partition
the
drive and was able to restore my recent Drive Image 4 image.

Thanks to all for previous suggestions.

BL
"MedRxman" wrote in message
...
Bought Maxtor 80GB HDD and installed. Ran the Maxtor installation
without
problem UNTIL.

Went to restore an image from Dri ve Image 4 and Maxtor added a DDO to
my
system and I can't get the rescue disk program to run. The error
indicates
that a Drive Overlay is installed but not running.

Put in system disk in Drive A and reboot and press the space bar when
the
system starts. Well I used the bootable Drive Image 4 disk 1 as my
system
disk. was this wrong.

What should I do now.

How can I wipe clean the new Hard Drive and start over using
Partrition
Magic (should have use PM in the first place)

Thanks,

BL

MedRxman wrote:
Bought Maxtor 80GB HDD and installed. Ran the Maxtor installation without
problem UNTIL.

Gosh you went out and bought that new drive quick between your other post
about it. Congrats on getting a bigger drive!

I meant to also tell you yesterday when suggesting a 80 or 120 size to first
be sure your bios supports the size otherwise you will have to flash your
bios if there is an update available to handle it, or otherwise the very best
thing to do ..actually even better than a bios upgrade is to use a controller
which not only gives you large hard drive support with it's onboard bios but
also gives you some extra exceptional benefits that are remarkable!

Went to restore an image from Dri ve Image 4 and Maxtor added a DDO to my
system and I can't get the rescue disk program to run. The error indicates
that a Drive Overlay is installed but not running.

Damn DDO crap... I see further down you got it removed though. I never use
those Maxtor CD's that come with new drives and I have dozens of them never
opened yet. What did you use to remove it? I don't think a low level format
removes it since it's in the MBR but I think it's something like FDISK /mbr
or something like that - what did you use to dump it? I imagine a Drive
Image 'Disk to Disk' would wipe it ..and thinking about it has to..

Put in system disk in Drive A and reboot and press the space bar when the
system starts. Well I used the bootable Drive Image 4 disk 1 as my system
disk. was this wrong.

That wouldn't of done anything and using disk 1 & 2 of DI v4 is just booting
it up, but I see you have solved this stuff in your later post so I won't
address it. I have to say though that it makes me smile that you are using
DI v4 ..only because I use to use that same version for years myself and so
know it well.


What should I do now.

How can I wipe clean the new Hard Drive and start over using Partrition
Magic (should have use PM in the first place)

Yes, and I told you that in my first post in the other thread to you.

Anyway glad you got it all going.
oh btw, you can't just take a new hard drive and restore a image to it if you
never had an Extended partition created on it first either by a full
DriveImage Disk to Disk function which brings it from the other drive, a
primary partition format which also automatically creates one. Anyway,
welcome to world of imaging ..I would not own a computer without it!

Rick




Thanks,

BL

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
MedRxman wrote:
Bought Maxtor 80GB HDD and installed. Ran the Maxtor installation
without
problem UNTIL.

Gosh you went out and bought that new drive quick between your other post
about it. Congrats on getting a bigger drive!

I meant to also tell you yesterday when suggesting a 80 or 120 size to
first
be sure your bios supports the size otherwise you will have to flash your
bios if there is an update available to handle it, or otherwise the very
best
thing to do ..actually even better than a bios upgrade is to use a
controller
which not only gives you large hard drive support with it's onboard bios
but
also gives you some extra exceptional benefits that are remarkable!

I flashed my BIOS to the latest available from Dell a while back.(How can I
verify the BIOS support of Hard Drive size(even though it is not an issue
now)?
I will most likely get a new controllor card, but I know the max is ata/66
for my MB according to the owners manual(DELL).
The new HD is ATA/133 and my second HD is ATA/100.

Went to restore an image from Dri ve Image 4 and Maxtor added a DDO to
my
system and I can't get the rescue disk program to run. The error
indicates
that a Drive Overlay is installed but not running.

Damn DDO crap... I see further down you got it removed though. I never
use
those Maxtor CD's that come with new drives and I have dozens of them
never
opened yet. What did you use to remove it? I don't think a low level
format
removes it since it's in the MBR but I think it's something like FDISK
/mbr
or something like that - what did you use to dump it? I imagine a Drive
Image 'Disk to Disk' would wipe it ..and thinking about it has to..

It was trial and error to remove the DDO. There was a choice on the Maxtor
menu to set Disk 1(I believe) to all "0" zeros. I started the process but it
appeared it would take forever so I stopped the process at thhe 10% mark.
Then tried to boot with PM emergence disk and viola, success. Then used PM
to delete the partition and then create and format the partition. Then
rebooted to DI rescue disks and was able to restore the image . I allowed DI
automatically resize for the full HDD size.. I will eventually use PM again
and make smaller partitions.

Put in system disk in Drive A and reboot and press the space bar when
the
system starts. Well I used the bootable Drive Image 4 disk 1 as my
system
disk. was this wrong.

That wouldn't of done anything and using disk 1 & 2 of DI v4 is just
booting
it up, but I see you have solved this stuff in your later post so I won't
address it. I have to say though that it makes me smile that you are
using
DI v4 ..only because I use to use that same version for years myself and
so
know it well.


What should I do now.

How can I wipe clean the new Hard Drive and start over using Partrition
Magic (should have use PM in the first place)

Yes, and I told you that in my first post in the other thread to you.

Anyway glad you got it all going.
oh btw, you can't just take a new hard drive and restore a image to it if
you
never had an Extended partition created on it first either by a full
DriveImage Disk to Disk function which brings it from the other drive, a
primary partition format which also automatically creates one. Anyway,
welcome to world of imaging ..I would not own a computer without it!

Rick




Thanks,

BL

I unfortunately overlooked somewhere that I did not have to partition and
format the new drive if I was going to restore a DI image. I did not know
then as I do now that DI would create the partition for me.

Oh Well, I sure learned a lot from this experience and much of the learning
experience was from the suggestions of the wonderful MVPs and others on the
newsgroups.

!!!!!!!! THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYONE !!!!!

MedRxMan wrote:
"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
MedRxman wrote:
Bought Maxtor 80GB HDD and installed. Ran the Maxtor installation
without problem UNTIL.

Gosh you went out and bought that new drive quick between your other post
about it. Congrats on getting a bigger drive!

I meant to also tell you yesterday when suggesting a 80 or 120 size to
first be sure your bios supports the size otherwise you will have to
flash your bios if there is an update available to handle it, or
otherwise the very best thing to do ..actually even better than a bios
upgrade is to use a controller which not only gives you large hard drive
support with it's onboard bios but also gives you some extra exceptional
benefits that are remarkable!


I flashed my BIOS to the latest available from Dell a while back.(How can I
verify the BIOS support of Hard Drive size(even though it is not an issue
now)?

From Dell or looking up your bios model id # and then look up it's specs.

I will most likely get a new controllor card, but I know the max is ata/66
for my MB according to the owners manual(DELL).
The new HD is ATA/133 and my second HD is ATA/100.

Don't use the maxtor controller card - Promise makes it for them anyway!
Use Promise, and this is the one you want to get - period. Buy it anywhere
you want but here is just one place you can find it still:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...102-007&depa=0

If you don't have a controller card installed now, do yourself a favor and
get one, because not only will it give you two ports allowing two master
slots where you can run two hard drives as master if you need to (useful in
Disk to Disk operations performance wise) but it's just plain convenient in a
number of other ways - it automatically supports hard drives beyond 137GB
(I've got a 250GB on mine now) ..but the most important thing above all is
what it Will do for W98 as performance goes 'across the board' - for
instance, for a test take a big task like zipping a 2 GB file and time how
long it takes to complete before you install the controller card - and then
test it after - you will notice a remarkable 20 - 35% increase in system
performance - and the faster your processor is the more noticeable will be
the controllers cards advantage. I can't say enough about the performance
boost and must be first hand seen to believe. Besides W98SE it also gives
the same performance increase for me (although not as dramatic) on my W2K &
WXP partitions too. It blows Applications Accelerators away on every level
and makes them archaic.

"Right Click" and "Save Target" on this link below to download it's pdf
manual to check it out.
http://www.promise.com/support/file/...Promise_v2.PDF


I unfortunately overlooked somewhere that I did not have to partition and
format the new drive if I was going to restore a DI image. I did not know
then as I do now that DI would create the partition for me.

That's true in that since it's a sector to sector copy it gives to one drive
what the other one had down to the sector level (but only of used sectors
(unless you tell it to do a full). Anyway, my point here is you can't just
take and restore lets say just a C backup partition to a 'new drive out of
the box' (unless you "disk to disk" fully) unless like I said before you do a
complete Disk to Disk process or do a primary format first which both
procedures will duplicate or create the extended partition, without that
container or Extended partition and if you just plugged in a new hard disk
and just restored your backup C:\ pqi to it would not boot! Once you have
the extended partition in place on a new out of the box HD then yes you can
do anything you want with individually restoring primary partitions..
....this stuff you will find out for yourself as you go along.
Doing a standard format of primary partition/s though automatically creates
the Extended.


Oh Well, I sure learned a lot from this experience and much of the learning
experience was from the suggestions of the wonderful MVPs and others on the
newsgroups.

!!!!!!!! THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYONE !!!!!

I meant to give you this other pdf spec link instead of (or along with) the
one I did. http://tinyurl.com/737gb

| (How can I
| verify the BIOS support of Hard Drive size(even though it is not an
issue
| now)?

I suppose, as you wiped the overlay & created the partitions with PM,
the following will say whether BIOS is passing the full size to DOS &
Windows...

(1)
(a) "START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt"
(b) FDISK /Status
(c) Use the "MARK", outline text with mouse, "COPY" button to post the
results.

C:\FDISK /Status
Disk Drv Mbytes Free Usage
1 19092 8298 57%
C: 7996
E: 2798
2 38169 100% Full drive
D: 7996 One partition
F: 7996
G: 7996
H: 7996
I: 6187


(2) "START, Run, MSInfo32". Use CTRL-Mouse to highlight relevant info &
the Edit menu to Copy it...

Windows-managed swap file on drive C (6458MB free)
Available space on drive C: 6458MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive D: 6232MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive E: 773MB of 2792MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive F: 7979MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive G: 7786MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive H: 7620MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive I: 6174MB of 6174MB (FAT32)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"MedRxMan" wrote in message
...
|
| "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
| ...
| MedRxman wrote:
| Bought Maxtor 80GB HDD and installed. Ran the Maxtor installation
| without
| problem UNTIL.
|
| Gosh you went out and bought that new drive quick between your other
post
| about it. Congrats on getting a bigger drive!
|
| I meant to also tell you yesterday when suggesting a 80 or 120 size
to
| first
| be sure your bios supports the size otherwise you will have to flash
your
| bios if there is an update available to handle it, or otherwise the
very
| best
| thing to do ..actually even better than a bios upgrade is to use a
| controller
| which not only gives you large hard drive support with it's onboard
bios
| but
| also gives you some extra exceptional benefits that are remarkable!
|
| I flashed my BIOS to the latest available from Dell a while back.(How
can I
| verify the BIOS support of Hard Drive size(even though it is not an
issue
| now)?
| I will most likely get a new controllor card, but I know the max is
ata/66
| for my MB according to the owners manual(DELL).
| The new HD is ATA/133 and my second HD is ATA/100.
|
| Went to restore an image from Dri ve Image 4 and Maxtor added a
DDO to
| my
| system and I can't get the rescue disk program to run. The error
| indicates
| that a Drive Overlay is installed but not running.
|
| Damn DDO crap... I see further down you got it removed though. I
never
| use
| those Maxtor CD's that come with new drives and I have dozens of
them
| never
| opened yet. What did you use to remove it? I don't think a low
level
| format
| removes it since it's in the MBR but I think it's something like
FDISK
| /mbr
| or something like that - what did you use to dump it? I imagine a
Drive
| Image 'Disk to Disk' would wipe it ..and thinking about it has to..
|
| It was trial and error to remove the DDO. There was a choice on the
Maxtor
| menu to set Disk 1(I believe) to all "0" zeros. I started the process
but it
| appeared it would take forever so I stopped the process at thhe 10%
mark.
| Then tried to boot with PM emergence disk and viola, success. Then
used PM
| to delete the partition and then create and format the partition. Then
| rebooted to DI rescue disks and was able to restore the image . I
allowed DI
| automatically resize for the full HDD size.. I will eventually use PM
again
| and make smaller partitions.
|
| Put in system disk in Drive A and reboot and press the space bar
when
| the
| system starts. Well I used the bootable Drive Image 4 disk 1 as my
| system
| disk. was this wrong.
|
| That wouldn't of done anything and using disk 1 & 2 of DI v4 is just
| booting
| it up, but I see you have solved this stuff in your later post so I
won't
| address it. I have to say though that it makes me smile that you
are
| using
| DI v4 ..only because I use to use that same version for years myself
and
| so
| know it well.
|
|
| What should I do now.
|
| How can I wipe clean the new Hard Drive and start over using
Partrition
| Magic (should have use PM in the first place)
|
| Yes, and I told you that in my first post in the other thread to
you.
|
| Anyway glad you got it all going.
| oh btw, you can't just take a new hard drive and restore a image to
it if
| you
| never had an Extended partition created on it first either by a full
| DriveImage Disk to Disk function which brings it from the other
drive, a
| primary partition format which also automatically creates one.
Anyway,
| welcome to world of imaging ..I would not own a computer without
it!
|
| Rick
|
|
|
|
| Thanks,
|
| BL
|
| I unfortunately overlooked somewhere that I did not have to partition
and
| format the new drive if I was going to restore a DI image. I did not
know
| then as I do now that DI would create the partition for me.
|
| Oh Well, I sure learned a lot from this experience and much of the
learning
| experience was from the suggestions of the wonderful MVPs and others
on the
| newsgroups.
|
| !!!!!!!! THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYONE !!!!!
|
|

Looks to me that I succeded, YES?


Fixed Disk Drive Statu
Disk Drv Mbytes Free Usage
1 78160 100%
C: 78160
2 38170 100%
D: 19085
E: 7060
F: 12025


Windows-managed swap file on drive C (74800MB free)
Available space on drive C: 74800MB of 78140MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive D: 17309MB of 19075MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive E: 5400MB of 7052MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive F: 1997MB of 12013MB (FAT32)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
"PCR" wrote in message
...
| (How can I
| verify the BIOS support of Hard Drive size(even though it is not an
issue
| now)?

I suppose, as you wiped the overlay & created the partitions with PM,
the following will say whether BIOS is passing the full size to DOS &
Windows...

(1)
(a) "START button, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt"
(b) FDISK /Status
(c) Use the "MARK", outline text with mouse, "COPY" button to post the
results.

C:\FDISK /Status
Disk Drv Mbytes Free Usage
1 19092 8298 57%
C: 7996
E: 2798
2 38169 100% Full drive
D: 7996 One partition
F: 7996
G: 7996
H: 7996
I: 6187


(2) "START, Run, MSInfo32". Use CTRL-Mouse to highlight relevant info &
the Edit menu to Copy it...

Windows-managed swap file on drive C (6458MB free)
Available space on drive C: 6458MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive D: 6232MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive E: 773MB of 2792MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive F: 7979MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive G: 7786MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive H: 7620MB of 7979MB (FAT32)
Available space on drive I: 6174MB of 6174MB (FAT32)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"MedRxMan" wrote in message
...
|
| "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
| ...
| MedRxman wrote:
| Bought Maxtor 80GB HDD and installed. Ran the Maxtor installation
| without
| problem UNTIL.
|
| Gosh you went out and bought that new drive quick between your other
post
| about it. Congrats on getting a bigger drive!
|
| I meant to also tell you yesterday when suggesting a 80 or 120 size
to
| first
| be sure your bios supports the size otherwise you will have to flash
your
| bios if there is an update available to handle it, or otherwise the
very
| best
| thing to do ..actually even better than a bios upgrade is to use a
| controller
| which not only gives you large hard drive support with it's onboard
bios
| but
| also gives you some extra exceptional benefits that are remarkable!
|
| I flashed my BIOS to the latest available from Dell a while back.(How
can I
| verify the BIOS support of Hard Drive size(even though it is not an
issue
| now)?
| I will most likely get a new controllor card, but I know the max is
ata/66
| for my MB according to the owners manual(DELL).
| The new HD is ATA/133 and my second HD is ATA/100.
|
| Went to restore an image from Dri ve Image 4 and Maxtor added a
DDO to
| my
| system and I can't get the rescue disk program to run. The error
| indicates
| that a Drive Overlay is installed but not running.
|
| Damn DDO crap... I see further down you got it removed though. I
never
| use
| those Maxtor CD's that come with new drives and I have dozens of
them
| never
| opened yet. What did you use to remove it? I don't think a low
level
| format
| removes it since it's in the MBR but I think it's something like
FDISK
| /mbr
| or something like that - what did you use to dump it? I imagine a
Drive
| Image 'Disk to Disk' would wipe it ..and thinking about it has to..
|
| It was trial and error to remove the DDO. There was a choice on the
Maxtor
| menu to set Disk 1(I believe) to all "0" zeros. I started the process
but it
| appeared it would take forever so I stopped the process at thhe 10%
mark.
| Then tried to boot with PM emergence disk and viola, success. Then
used PM
| to delete the partition and then create and format the partition. Then
| rebooted to DI rescue disks and was able to restore the image . I
allowed DI
| automatically resize for the full HDD size.. I will eventually use PM
again
| and make smaller partitions.
|
| Put in system disk in Drive A and reboot and press the space bar
when
| the
| system starts. Well I used the bootable Drive Image 4 disk 1 as my
| system
| disk. was this wrong.
|
| That wouldn't of done anything and using disk 1 & 2 of DI v4 is just
| booting
| it up, but I see you have solved this stuff in your later post so I
won't
| address it. I have to say though that it makes me smile that you
are
| using
| DI v4 ..only because I use to use that same version for years myself
and
| so
| know it well.
|
|
| What should I do now.
|
| How can I wipe clean the new Hard Drive and start over using
Partrition
| Magic (should have use PM in the first place)
|
| Yes, and I told you that in my first post in the other thread to
you.
|
| Anyway glad you got it all going.
| oh btw, you can't just take a new hard drive and restore a image to
it if
| you
| never had an Extended partition created on it first either by a full
| DriveImage Disk to Disk function which brings it from the other
drive, a
| primary partition format which also automatically creates one.
Anyway,
| welcome to world of imaging ..I would not own a computer without
it!
|
| Rick
|
|
|
|
| Thanks,
|
| BL
|
| I unfortunately overlooked somewhere that I did not have to partition
and
| format the new drive if I was going to restore a DI image. I did not
know
| then as I do now that DI would create the partition for me.
|
| Oh Well, I sure learned a lot from this experience and much of the
learning
| experience was from the suggestions of the wonderful MVPs and others
on the
| newsgroups.
|
| !!!!!!!! THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYONE !!!!!
|
|