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  #21  
Old July 13th 05, 09:12 PM
Star
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Good, you were able to get to the 1-2-3 page, yes... something must of been
wrong at SiS, because Brian's link was to the 1-2-3 page, but like you
mentioned, the page was blank. And, if you hit refresh, still blank w/no
errors, very strange!!
(see below too)!!

"PCR" wrote in message
...
Well, I see the two packages at that site. It seems to be the same site
Brian A. posted, though I get a blank page when I click his. Just as you
say, nothing has been added to "Downloaded Program Files". I guess that
only happens if one clicks "Identify the model number of SiS products,"
which I hesitate to do. It did once say you were SiS650. Didn't it also
say you had the latest drivers? But, you say your drivers are dated
2002?

You took v3.67 (2005-04-15), & it turned out bad. Though it states "OS
supported: Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows 98 SE, Windows
98, Windows XP 64-Bit Edition", perhaps it is more geared toward XP.

It sounds like the other is worth a try... v2.21... "OS supported:
Windows 98 SE, Windows 98, Windows ME", BUT let it be on Brian A.'s
head, if it blows you up!


*** PCR, I will download the first pkg. tonight, it's a big download. Read
the recent posts I've made and others have made. The 1st pkg. has a file
size of 20,452KB, the second one for all OS's is 16,546KB and I'm sure that
is why I chose it.

I asked Brian about this.... after the download, which is s/w and drivers,
etc... What... if I don't install the s/w, what use the Device Mgr. and just
update the drivers, using the drivers from my download ? This way, I don't
have to uninstall the s/w pkg. I have, but I will have more current drivers,
can this work, never have tried to do the display adapter via the Device
Mgr.

Also, tell me briefly more about monitor out of range, as soon as I reverted
back to the s/w and drivers on MB cd I was fine again ? It also happened
after I downloaded the display driver from Windows Update, this is not a
experience you want even if you can get to the boot menu easily!!

Regarding the BIOS update, I am not real open because of warnings, I may ask
someone to do it for me, the directions seem easy enough, however toasting
the BIOS chip is much worse than monitor out of range!!

Thank you, Star


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Star" wrote in message
...
| PCR,
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| | Need help not sure if I should try to update display adapter
drivers
| for
| | 98SE ?
|
| I've read through them a couple of times & must conclude the matter
is
| best left in Brian A.'s hands or in the hands of someone else who's
been
| through it. I only have a SoftPaq from Compaq to use when I want to
play
| with my Video Adapter. It's uninstallable in Add/Remove Programs &
| reinstalled with a click. STILL...
|
| It sounds to me you are a SiS 650, at least on the Win98 side, if
the
| SiS info package & MSInfo32 said so. The site said you have the
latest
| drivers. So, that is that. Likely, they did not update them further
| (beyond 2002) to provide the options/functionality you get on the XP
| side. You don't want to grab something wrong & end up with monitor
*out
| of range* errors again.
|
| ****** If you go here, no rush
|
http://www.sis.com/download/
|
| This is the SiS 1-2-3 page, no activeX controls required. Anyway
after you
| do the 1-2-3, you see these software/driver pkgs.
| File info.
|
| *** 650_221_win98me.zip
| Version
| v2.21
| Release date
| 2003-11-18
| Product supported
| SiS651, SiS650, SiS740, SiS650GL, SiSM650, SiS650GX,
| File size
| 20,452KB
| OS supported
| Windows 98 SE, Windows 98, Windows ME,
|
| ** The one above may work, what are your thoughts...
| ** The one below, is a no go, It's the one that put the monitor out of
| range, looking at the file name, I'm pretty sure that it was the zip
file I
| downloaded.
|
| Anyway, maybe the right thing to do is nothing!!
|
| *** SiS UniVGA3 Graphics Driver
| File name
| uvga3_367.zip
| Version
| v3.67
| Release date
| 2005-04-15
| Product supported
| SiSM650, SiS760, SiS741GX, SiS740, SiS741, SiS651, SiS650GX,
SiS650GL,
| SiS650, SiSM741, SiSM661MX, SiSM661FX,
| File size
| 16,546KB
| OS supported
| Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows 98 SE, Windows 98,
Windows XP
| 64-Bit Edition,
|
| Thanks again, I'm not sure even on the 1st entry, specifically it is
for
| W98, 98SE & ME, however.
|
| Star
|
| | I've been to the SIS
| | site and I have done the chip identification tool in the past....
but
| not
| | w/the install of Win that I currently have. Unfortunately I'm
having
| trouble
| | running the activeX controls at this time. Tried earlier today. I
| removed
| | the controls from the Downloaded Program flldr, two controls are
| placed by
| | SIS, both controls remove, but one w/message *unable to
unregister*,
| | possibly it never registered, cause SIS kept repeatedly telling me
to
| | install the tool, probably because it *never installed
completely*.
| I
| | never rec'd the security messages that you get for activeX
downloads.
|
| I don't know. You already did what I would try. Now, I'm offline &
| cannot click...
|
| . Web Pages with ActiveX Controls Are Not Displayed Properly
| (240897) - When you view a Web site that contains an ActiveX
control,
| you may experience any of the following symptoms: You are not
prompted
| to download and install the control.A red X is displayed where the
| control should appear.You receive script errors...
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;240897
|
| . Pictures Are Not Displayed on Web Sites in Internet Explorer
| (283807) - When you open a Web page, one or more pictures (graphics
or
| images) may not be displayed. Instead, a red X, or a placeholder,
may
| appear in place of the images. This behavior can occur if one of the
| following conditions is true: The Web page...
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;283807
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Star" wrote in message
| ...
| | PCR Pro,
| | Pls. give me some feedback regarding my display adapter, can you
pls.
| read
| | this post and the other post I wrote in this thread.
| |
| | Thank, Star.
| |
| | Thanks, Star
| | "Star" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Hello,
| | Need help not sure if I should try to update display adapter
drivers
| for
| | 98SE ? The MB is a ASUS P4SGX-MX, Celeron 2000Ghz. I have the
| support CD
| | and I'm currently using the software & driver pkgs on from the
| support CD.
| | This is the stats for the main drivers for super vga display.
| |
| | Product: SiS 650
| | Softwa VS. 2.12
| | Driver VS: 2.12
| | 12-02-2002
| | Chipset: SIS 650GX
| | SIS 962L
| | VGA SIS Real256 Graphics
| |
| | Driver: sisgl.dll - Super VGA OpenGL ICD
| | File Date: 12/2/2002 4:47 PM
| | Company Name: Silicon Integrated Systems Corporation
| | File Version: 4.13.01.2120
| | Driver: sisdx32.dll - Super VGA DirectX Driver 32 Bit
| | File Date: 11/21/2002 11:00 AM
| | Company Name: Silicon Integrated Systems Corporation
| | File Version: 4.13.01.2120
| | Driver: sisdx.dll - Super VGA DirectX Driver 16 Bit
| | File Date: 11/21/2002 11:01 AM
| | Company Name: Silicon Integrated Systems Corporation
| | File Version: 4.13.01.2120
| | Driver: sisgr.vxd - Virtual Display Minidriver
| | File Date: 11/28/2002 3:14 PM
| | Company Name: Silicon Integrated Systems Corporation
| | File Version: 4.13.01.2120
| | Driver: sisgr.drv - Super VGA Display Driver
| | File Date: 11/28/2002 3:17 PM
| | Company Name: Silicon Integrated Systems Corporation
| | File Version: 4.13.01.2120
| |
| | I was initially dual booting, I also had Win-XP Prof. The
drivers
| for
| | Win-XP were always right-on, the pkg. for 98-SE shows up as
| *Compatible*
| | when you install and I don't have many settings for 98-SE in
| comparison to
| | Win-XP, many functions just arn't available, etc...
| |
| | I would like to update the drivers for the display adapter,
however
| I'm
| | very
| | confused as to what I should download. I don't want to do the
| entire pkg.
| | since it's a compatible pkg.
| |
| | I'm nervous about this... because I was not smart and took the
one
| driver
| | that was offered once and it totally crashed the puter, actually
the
| | monitor, not the puter. After, the monitor was *out-of-range*
and
| I
| | couldn't see the desktop of course. And, it took me 3 days to
get
| the
| | timing
| | right to get into safe mode and fix the problem.
| |
| | Should I get the driver update from ASUS vs. the SIS site.... if
I
| go to
| | ASUS, they are displayed on my MB site which is, link to the
ASUS
| | P4SGX-MX.....
| |
|
http://www.asus.com.tw/support/downl...lName=P4SGX-MX...
| | I'm
| | not sure and possibly, I'm already using the best drivers??
| |
| | I've went to SIS site and click on downloads, highlight display,
| choose
| | 98SE
| | and SIS 650 and it seems I'm already using the best drivers for
| 98SE,
| | however my drivers are from Dec. 2002, therefore seem old, but
then
| 98SE
| | has
| | been around since 1999.
| |
| | I would appreciate guidance, and if I should update, which is
the
| best
| | compatable pick !! I downloaded an entire pkg. approx. 1 year
ago
| from
| | SIS,
| | it was drivers and the the software. Unfortunately, I had the
same
| | problem
| | that I experienced at Windows Update.... monitor *out of range*,
bad
| | problem!! The driver that is at Windows Update, I have looked
at
| iit's
| | stats and it is older than the one I'm using, however I learned
the
| hard
| | way, after the fact.
| |
| | Thank you,
| |
| | Star
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|




  #23  
Old July 13th 05, 09:32 PM
Star
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Thxs Gary, I am going to check out the cost, the terrible inconvenience of
toasting the BIOS chip I guess is the worst becuse until it is taken care of
the puter is toast!! I will let someone experienced do the task!!
Eventually, I may take this task on to grow in experience, but, for sure,
not anxious for the experience!!

Thxs, Star


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"Star" wrote in message
...
BIOS chip toast... is that the worst that could happen, approx. what
does a
BIOS chip cost, and of course, no BIOS chip, no boot to Win. OS and
you are
left w/unusable machine??



I don't *think* there is anything worse that *might* happen when
flashing a BIOS. And I don't recall how much for the MR BIOS replacement
I got--that was before I even got involved in newsgroups. Easy enough to
Google it, though.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm




  #24  
Old July 13th 05, 09:59 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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Hey, I wasn't trying to scare you or anything--it's relatively
straight-forward to perform. You just want to make sure there's a good
UPS supporting it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Star" wrote in message
...
Thxs Gary, I am going to check out the cost, the terrible
inconvenience of
toasting the BIOS chip I guess is the worst becuse until it is taken
care of
the puter is toast!! I will let someone experienced do the task!!
Eventually, I may take this task on to grow in experience, but, for
sure,
not anxious for the experience!!

Thxs, Star


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"Star" wrote in message
...
BIOS chip toast... is that the worst that could happen, approx.
what
does a
BIOS chip cost, and of course, no BIOS chip, no boot to Win. OS and
you are
left w/unusable machine??



I don't *think* there is anything worse that *might* happen when
flashing a BIOS. And I don't recall how much for the MR BIOS
replacement
I got--that was before I even got involved in newsgroups. Easy enough
to
Google it, though.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm





  #25  
Old July 13th 05, 11:07 PM
Brian A.
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"Star" wrote in message
...
Thanks Brian for further input,
snip
You shouldn't be confused. XP and 98 are different birds of a feather and

will
have different configs/options/settings. An updated driver may or may not
provide more options, yet it may have a fix for an issue for the prior
chip/adapter driver version. If you're having problems with newer drivers
another thing to look into is the BIOS ver., some newer driver updates may

also
require an updated BIOS.

*** I have never updated the BIOS on this celeron 4 machine.


And you don't want to if not necessary. I see Gary has summed it up in a
nutshell, so I'll leave it at that.

Why
would the monitor be out of range and go dark, because the driver is

wrong,
correct ???


My first thoughts would be corrupted drivers, bad install or incompatibility.


If you can help me more would appreciate, I know not to go for the 650GX

but
I would think I could get a newer driver than Dec. 2002, more thoughts

pls.

The drivers at Asus and SIS are dated 2004.


Using the 1-2-3 @ SiS, I get these pkgs., neither are 2004.


My bad, you're right, they're dated 2003 & 2005.

What about after what appears a successful install, the puter restarts and
the *monitor is out of range* ?? That is so.o.o nasty and I've just
determined that it was cuz the drivers were wrong, pls. comment ??


See above.

The drivers at the link I provided are the drivers for your integrated
graphics. Driver packages may, will and do many times include drivers for
multiple chips and OS's. That is why it is always very important to read

the
installation instructions provided by the manufacturer, also included in

most
downloads, definitely included in the Asus and SIS d/l's.


*** Could I do this, do you recommend. Let's say, I do the big download of
the 1st pkg. Could I do just a driver update via the Device Mgr. by using
update driver and browse and manually just install the drivers. Wouldn't
this work for me instead of uninstalling what I have and installing the
entire software as well as the drivers, pls. comment ?


As I mentioned, read the installation instructions provided with the d/l, you
have less of a chance for problems then. Even though your chipset is an SIS,
since Asus has the drivers you may want to go that route first. After all, they
should know what drivers to use on their mobos.


--

Brian A. Sesko
{ MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://basconotw.mvps.org/



  #26  
Old July 14th 05, 12:11 AM
PCR
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Ah, ha, ha. No, I just mean a boy can't be too careful standing before a
priest. Just ask Colorado! For a thousand years he had to squeeze his
toothpaste just right after that! Every time!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Star" wrote in message
...
| He-he-he,
| I suppect that your I don't's list is the largest, too bad for me and
any
| other girl, oh well!!
|
| Star
|
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| And I was just about to start practicing my I do's & I don't's!
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

| "Star" wrote in message
| ...
| | Brian,
| | I've been coming to this ng for a mighty long time and I
appreciate
| all the
| | help I've rec'd here. Actually, I do have a fondness for many
MVP's in
| the
| | group and other regulars that help me, including PCR.
| |
| | PCR Pro has always stepped up to the the plate for me, he
understands
| me
| | when sometimes I'm not clear. Starry eyes, now that's a good
one...
| however,
| | it's simply appreciation!!
| |
| | Star
| |
| | "Brian A." gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message
| | ...
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | I've read through them a couple of times & must conclude the
| matter is
| | best left in Brian A.'s hands or in the hands of someone else
| who's been
| | through it.
| |
| | Star only wants you PCR. IIC you are always requested with
starry
| eyes.
| |
| |
| | --
| |
| | Brian A. Sesko
| | { MS MVP_Shell/User }
| | Conflicts start where information
lacks.
| |
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| | http://basconotw.mvps.org/
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|


  #27  
Old July 14th 05, 12:39 AM
PCR
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"Star" wrote in message
...
| Good, you were able to get to the 1-2-3 page, yes... something must
of been
| wrong at SiS, because Brian's link was to the 1-2-3 page, but like you
| mentioned, the page was blank. And, if you hit refresh, still blank
w/no
| errors, very strange!!
| (see below too)!!

Right. It must depend upon some tie to the parent page. Now that I've
even been to the page through the parent, I still can't go directly
there, even offline out of TIFs.

| *** PCR, I will download the first pkg. tonight, it's a big download.
Read
| the recent posts I've made and others have made. The 1st pkg. has a
file
| size of 20,452KB

Eee-Yowww! Let me go look again... "File size: 20,452KB ", it says. Good
lord! I think you should do a full system backup before trying it.
Something that huge can be trouble.

....snip
|
| I asked Brian about this.... after the download, which is s/w and
drivers,
| etc... What...

If it isn't horribly long, post the readme Brian A. spoke of.

| if I don't install the s/w, what use the Device Mgr. and just
| update the drivers, using the drivers from my download ? This way, I
don't
| have to uninstall the s/w pkg. I have, but I will have more current
drivers,
| can this work, never have tried to do the display adapter via the
Device
| Mgr.

That's an idea, but there is no telling whether it is more than just
driver files involved. Perhaps the installation needs to add to the
Registry or replace/add .dll's or who knows what?

|
| Also, tell me briefly more about monitor out of range, as soon as I
reverted
| back to the s/w and drivers on MB cd I was fine again ? It also
happened
| after I downloaded the display driver from Windows Update, this is not
a
| experience you want even if you can get to the boot menu easily!!

I was mussed too by taking drivers from there. "Out of range", I read,
means the adapter didn't know where the monitor was to write on it.

|
| Regarding the BIOS update, I am not real open because of warnings, I
may ask
| someone to do it for me, the directions seem easy enough, however
toasting
| the BIOS chip is much worse than monitor out of range!!

I did it twice. It's quick, a minute or so. (I do have a UPS now, but
not back then.) Better have the right one, & pray there isn't a scratch
on the floppy, is all. (Back then, I didn't know of the danger.)

|
| Thank you, Star
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Star" wrote in message
| ...
....snip


  #28  
Old July 14th 05, 01:19 AM
PCR
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"Star" wrote in message
...
| PCR Pro,
|
| I did get a reply from the webmaster early today.... I went to the
site
| again last pm and the home page wasn't coming down to me like it
normally
| does. They are having problems w/auto-detect activeX tool!! It was
cool,
| they responded to me!!

Ah, good. It was them, not your machine, then.

| (see below too)
| snip
|
| It could be as you say. It was looking for something to remove from
the
| Registry but couldn't find it. I'm thinking...
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;EN-US;Q249873
| Explanation of Regsvr32 Usage and Error Messages
|
| *** The link above, I found... it's technical jargon is hard for me to
| understand, can grasp only a little on the page right now, I will go
back
| again and truly focus.

I've looked at it 7 times now. You will go batty after the 5th!

|
| ...is involved, & the Key it is looking at is possibly...
|
|
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\SessionManager\Known
| DLLs
|
| *** Cool... followed the path to above key.... this is my key info
| REGEDIT4
|
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\SessionManager\Know
nDLL
| s]
| "DIGSIG"="DIGSIG.DLL"
| "KERNEL32"="KERNEL32.DLL"
| "USER32"="USER32.DLL"
| "GDI32"="GDI32.DLL"
| "WOW32"="WOW32.DLL"
| "WINMM"="WINMM.DLL"
| "WINNT"="WINNT.DLL"
| "RPCRT4"="RPCRT4.DLL"
| "ADVAPI32"="ADVAPI32.DLL"
| "COMDLG32"="COMDLG32.DLL"
| "CRTDLL"="CRTDLL.DLL"
| "SHELL32"="SHELL32.DLL"
| "SHSCRAP"="SHSCRAP.DLL"

Seems we both have a "SHSCRAP.DLL" in there. So, it must be normal. I
guess one sad MS programmer was "overdue" in the middle of his
assignment!

| "LZ32"="LZ32.DLL"
| "OLECLI32"="OLECLI32.DLL"
| "OLESVR32"="OLESVR32.DLL"
| "VERSION"="VERSION.DLL"
| "COMCTL32"="COMCTL32.DLL"
| "MSNP32"="MSNP32.DLL"
| "NWNP32"="NWNP32.DLL"
| "MPR"="MPR.DLL"
| "MPRSERV"="MPRSERV.DLL"
| "MSSHRUI"="MSSHRUI.DLL"
| "MSNET32"="MSNET32.DLL"
| "NWNET32"="NWNET32.DLL"
| "MSPWL32"="MSPWL32.DLL"
| "OLE32"="OLE32.DLL"
| "OLEAUT32"="OLEAUT32.DLL"
| "OLEDLG"="OLEDLG.DLL"
| "OLETHK32"="OLETHK32.DLL"
| "NETBIOS"="NETBIOS.DLL"
| "MSAB32"="MSAB32.DLL"
| "NWAB32"="NWAB32.DLL"
| "SVRAPI"="SVRAPI.DLL"
| "CHOOSUSR"="CHOOSUSR.DLL"
| "SYNCUI"="SYNCUI.DLL"
| "LINKINFO"="LINKINFO.DLL"
| "MSVCRT20"="MSVCRT20.DLL"
| "RICHED32"="RICHED32.DLL"
| "WINSPOOL"="WINSPOOL.DRV"
| "MFC30"="MFC30.DLL"
| "MFCUIA32"="MFCUIA32.DLL"
| "MFCANS32"="MFCANS32.DLL"
| "NTDLL"="NTDLL.DLL"
| "RASAPI32"="RASAPI32.DLL"
| "TAPI32"="TAPI32.DLL"
| "UMDM32"="UMDM32.DLL"
| "SHDOCVW"="SHDOCVW.DLL"
| "SHLWAPI"="SHLWAPI.DLL"
| "WININET"="WININET.DLL"
| "URLMON"="URLMON.DLL"
| "IMAGEHLP"="IMAGEHLP.DLL"
| "NETAPI32"="NETAPI32.DLL"
| "MSRATING"="MSRATING.DLL"
| "MSVCRT40"="MSVCRT40.DLL"
| "MFC40"="MFC40.DLL"
| "RSABASE"="RSABASE.DLL"
| "WINTRUST"="WINTRUST.DLL"
| "MSVCRT"="MSVCRT.DLL"
| "SYNCENG"="SYNCENG.DLL"
| "RNAP"="RNAP.DLL"
| "RNATHUNK"="RNATHUNK.DLL"
| "RNAUI"="RNAUI.DLL"
| "RNASERV"="RNASERV.DLL"
|
| *** Some of these dll's I'm familiar with, are these all the
registered
| dll's on my puter?

I don't know for sure what that key is for. The article doesn't say
precisely what RegSvr32 does, where it writes in the Registry. This key
just looks to me to be a likely candidate. Could be the info goes
elsewhere altogether.

|
| PCR, I don't understand this very well, downloaded activeX controls
usually
| go in downloaded programs fldr. They are usually dependant upon an
..inf
| file where obviously they get the info.

The .inf could have a "RegSvr32" instruction inside or some other way to
register it.

| How do these controls register
| themselves in the registry, how can I see the ones I have, what is the
| path/key to follow? I only have 4 controls Windows Update, Media
player 9,
| Call Wave, and Flash player..

Well, I'm afraid I don't quite know. I do see "regsvr" does indeed
appear in many an .inf, doing a FIND, Containing Text, on
"C:\Windows\INF".

|
| Does it still happen? When? Does the sit work? Might be best to
await a
| response from SiS.
|
| The SiS site also has a 1-2-3 user interface, no activeX control used
on the
| page. Since I know my actual chipset I can use this user interface
instead
| of. In another post I copied the 2 offerings, the first one may be
*right*
| it has a 2003 date. I wrote in another post in this thread and copied
the
| file info.

Yes, I saw. That could be the one for you, but it is incredibly huge. Do
a full system backup first, maybe.

|
| I haven't tried to do the auto-detect tool again at SIS, I'm not sure
if
| it's working correctly and then I have to remove the activeX controls
and do
| a dos scanreg /restore again to the morning boot.

OK. I hesitate to click that, myself. Anyhow, I'm not SiS.

|
| Star
....snip


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Old July 14th 05, 05:42 AM
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PCR Pro, been out doing homework on the Internet.

Check this out for yourself, it will knock your socks off... click on the
link, I'm going to give you.... do this when you have some extra moments...
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...model=P4SGX-MX

The above is the direct link to my MB page. ASUS has been making changes on
their site, but this should happen when you click the link above, you will
be on the main download page.... wait a few seconds and the download will
begin for my MB, you will be on the All tab for all offerings, scroll way
down, display adapters/drivers are near the bottom. The first entry will be
this one... Oh, you'll see blue loading text, look at the status bar, the
download is very fast, I know were both on dial-up.
Version 6.14.10.3571 2004/04/21update
OS Win9x / Win98SE / WinME / Win2K / WinXP
Description SiS graphics adapter Driver 6.14.10.3571 (R3.57a)

Note, the description.... SiS graphics adapter driver
Next you will see some AGP drivers
After, you will see mine, what I'm using....

Version v2.12 2003/02/14update
OS Win9x / WinME
Description SiS 650/651 Display Driver for Windows 9x/ME Version 2.12

The description is Display Driver NOT graphics adapter

Do you think this is important.... it troubles me, I could never make a
decision at the ASUS site ??

snip
| *** PCR, I will download the first pkg. tonight, it's a big download.
Read
| the recent posts I've made and others have made. The 1st pkg. has a
file
| size of 20,452KB

Eee-Yowww! Let me go look again... "File size: 20,452KB ", it says. Good
lord! I think you should do a full system backup before trying it.
Something that huge can be trouble.


****Yep, you see why I haven't jumped on the band-wagon for this task!!

...snip


If it isn't horribly long, post the readme Brian A. spoke of.


****This is the ReadMe from MB cd.... ME is not listed, strange!! I'm
posting 98 only!!

************************************************** *******************
SiS Display Driver for Windows 95/98, NT4.0 and Win2000
************************************************** *******************

Contents
========

1.0 Introduction
2.0 Installation Notes for Windows 95/98
2.1 Installation Notes for Windows NT4.0
2.2 Installation Notes for Windows 2000
3.0 Uninstalling drivers for Windows 95/98
3.1 Uninstalling drivers for Windows NT4.0
3.2 Uninstalling drivers for Windows 2000


1.0 Introduction
================

This display driver are supported for the Windows 95/98, NT4.0,
Win2000 operating system. The setup program will install the driver
and utility.

2.0 Installation Notes for Windows 95/98
========================================
This driver package contains:
* sisdx.dll
* sisdx32.dll
* sisgl.dll
* sisglsv.dll
* sisgr.drv
* sisgr.vxd
* sisgr.inf
* sisgr.cat

The utility files contain:
* sisudisp.dll (display setting)
* sisufile.dll (information page)
* sisuinfo.dll (information page)
* sisupage.dll (gamma correction, video setting, tv setting)
* sisusm.dll (setting Manager)
* sisut3d.dll (3d setting)
* hkdef.dll (Hotkey definition)
* lcdtv.dll (TV Center screen)
* d3dpvw.exe (d3d preview)
* khooker.exe (Keyboard polling)
* osd.exe (osd)
* sistray.exe (SiSTray)
* loadzoom.exe (TV Zoom In)
* hookproc.dll (TV Zoom In)

Procedure
=========
1. Start Windows 95/98 operating system.
2. Insert the CD into CD-drive.
3. From the Start menu, choose Run and type: "F:\win98\setup"
(where "F" should be substituted as your CD-drive), click
"OK" button, the setup program will start.
4. In this installation, there are three setup-types you can choose:
- Typical
Install all of components in this package, including VGA
driver and utilities.
- Compact
Install driver only.
- Custom
Install components by your choice.
Also, the destination and utility program folder can be choosen
by yourself.
5. Restart your computer when the installation is completed.

3.0 Uninstalling drivers for Windows 95/98
==========================================
You can choose one of three methods in the following to uninstall:
1. Under "Program Files" in the "Start" menu, run "Uninstall"
from the item "SiS Compatible VGA vx.xx.xx"(Here x.xx.xx means the
version).
2. Under taskbar, choose SiS tray icon in the right-down corner,
click right mouse button, run "Remove drivers" in the
"Applications".
3. In the "Control Panel", run "Add/Remove programs", select
"SiS Compatible VGA vx.xx.xx"(Here x.xx.xx means the version) and click
"Add/Remove" button.

| if I don't install the s/w, what use the Device Mgr. and just
| update the drivers, using the drivers from my download ? This way, I
don't
| have to uninstall the s/w pkg. I have, but I will have more current
drivers,
| can this work, never have tried to do the display adapter via the
Device
| Mgr.

That's an idea, but there is no telling whether it is more than just
driver files involved. Perhaps the installation needs to add to the
Registry or replace/add .dll's or who knows what?


***I just ran the cd, setup install shield, I noted Compact, it doesn't say
drivers only but minimal required components. So, best use the pkg. instead
of Device Mgr., my question answered!!

| Also, tell me briefly more about monitor out of range, as soon as I
reverted
| back to the s/w and drivers on MB cd I was fine again ? It also
happened
| after I downloaded the display driver from Windows Update, this is not
a
| experience you want even if you can get to the boot menu easily!!

I was mussed too by taking drivers from there. "Out of range", I read,
means the adapter didn't know where the monitor was to write on it.


***Don't know where the monitor was/is... that's a chuckle!!

| Regarding the BIOS update, I am not real open because of warnings, I
may ask
| someone to do it for me, the directions seem easy enough, however
toasting
| the BIOS chip is much worse than monitor out of range!!

I did it twice. It's quick, a minute or so. (I do have a UPS now, but
not back then.) Better have the right one, & pray there isn't a scratch
on the floppy, is all. (Back then, I didn't know of the danger.)


I have directions in MB book, I don't think I'm going to mess w/BIOS update.
ASUS doesn't recommend BIOS update period!! Also, warnings that updating
may cause problems w/MB even when update apparently goes well.

Thanks PCR.
Star

| Thank you, Star
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Star" wrote in message
| ...
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  #30  
Old July 14th 05, 07:45 PM
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No... but, I know I could toast my BIOS chip and like you initially
warned....
If not broken... don't fix!!
I need to heed that truth or I can get myself in *big* trouble and have an
unusable machine!!
Windows *can* deliver a bad can of worms to all users, most of us have been
there, however here you could not blame Windows like were quick to do and
MoBo problems arn't fun, been there!! ASUS does not recommend flashing and
doing the update, says, "even if successful, could encounter trouble
w/MoBo".

This thread is about my display adapter/driver pkg. which I was unsuccessful
in trying to update sometime back. I'm using the one from MoBo support CD
and it works well.... I decided to leave as is, it's a P4 ASUS board w/SIS
chipsets. I downloaded an intergrated pkg. from SIS over 16,000KB, on
dialup, the install went well, on restart, monitor was out of range. I had
to revert back to my original present driver pkg. I didn't have the
problem on W-XP prof., however the pkg. shows different in W-XP, then in
W98SE, for W98SE it's a compatable pkg. The MoBo model is P4SGX-MX, do you
recommend the smart thing is to leave the driver pkg. as is ? MoBo book
clearly says.... chipset 650GX and that's what seen in W-XP, W98SE shows 650
in all all areas, Dev. Mgr., System Info Tool and Display Prop. WU offers a
driver for W98SE, but that too put the monitor out of range... I since
looked at the stats on that driver at WU and the driver is older than what
I'm using. Monitor out of range, exactly what is going on, I know it has
nothing to do Windows and even though I can't see the desktop I know it
there??? I can listen to the puter sounds, do ctrl/alt/del listen and do
ctrl/alt/del again and restart the puter, etc

I should just leave my display drivers alone, is that what you would
recommend, they arn't broke, don't fix???

Thxs. Gary
Star



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Hey, I wasn't trying to scare you or anything--it's relatively
straight-forward to perform. You just want to make sure there's a good
UPS supporting it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Star" wrote in message
...
Thxs Gary, I am going to check out the cost, the terrible
inconvenience of
toasting the BIOS chip I guess is the worst becuse until it is taken
care of
the puter is toast!! I will let someone experienced do the task!!
Eventually, I may take this task on to grow in experience, but, for
sure,
not anxious for the experience!!

Thxs, Star


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"Star" wrote in message
...
BIOS chip toast... is that the worst that could happen, approx.
what
does a
BIOS chip cost, and of course, no BIOS chip, no boot to Win. OS and
you are
left w/unusable machine??


I don't *think* there is anything worse that *might* happen when
flashing a BIOS. And I don't recall how much for the MR BIOS
replacement
I got--that was before I even got involved in newsgroups. Easy enough
to
Google it, though.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm







 




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