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Old June 6th 18, 08:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jerome Tews
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Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted. The
last one was in 2011. Or am I looking in the wrong place? The site that
I went to is on Sourceforge.

From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.

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Old June 6th 18, 10:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Paul[_6_]
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Default Has Kernel-EX been abandoned?

Jerome Tews wrote:
Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted. The
last one was in 2011. Or am I looking in the wrong place? The site that
I went to is on Sourceforge.

From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.


I think you should view the problem from
another perspective.

Browsers are bloated.

The designers insist on using a GPU-based
approach to browser design. This idea is
actually inherited from SmartPhones.

Your SmartPhone is perfect for this. It has
a modern GPU, to share the rendering duties.

A Win98 machine, chances are the video card
is too old to support hardware acceleration
of what the browser wants to do.

The fallback code path, uses the CPU. Now the
CPU is doing two jobs (as the browser is only
half as efficient as it used to be).

I was going to tell you that "there are 500 OSes
out there" and to try one. But then it occurred
to me that the browser is the root of the problem.

The "minimum OS" to run a browser should:

1) Support multiple cores (Firefox and Chroms
can fork four processes for example.)
2) Support modern accelerated graphics standards.
(In a comic coincidence today, Apple has deprecated
OpenGL on their platform. Just to prove to users
how obsolete their kit is. This is what happens
when software monkeys drive platform design.)

To continue to run a desktop browser, that
tells you how to "rebuild from the bottom up".
More than one thing needs to be modernized.

If I was still using dialup networking today, I'd
be paying $60 for a POTS phone (the dialup fee would
be separate). Instead, I pay a total of $52 per month,
for ADSL on a dry line, plus VOIP for phone services
(no POTS). The reason I have options here, is because
we have actual competition. In one part of the country,
they offer rural people WISP for wireless Internet,
as an alternative to dialup. And once the 5000 satellite
constellations are in orbit, we'll no longer have
this Internet logjam for rural people. Some day, everyone
will have options. And that's the other part of a
successful browsing experiences - meeting a minimum
download rate (so you can watch a video on a web page).

Kernel-EX isn't going to solve the worlds problems.
Rewarding browser designers to make their stuff run
on old hardware, that might work. Do you think
paying $1000.00 for a browser would be enough
to cover it ? I'm not even sure the software
designers care - you see, the boss gave each
of them a 20 core computer to develop on.
They don't know what slow is...

Paul
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Old June 7th 18, 12:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Computer Nerd Kev[_2_]
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Jerome Tews wrote:
Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted. The
last one was in 2011. Or am I looking in the wrong place? The site that
I went to is on Sourceforge.


I've never run Kernel-Ex, but I think it's no surprise that it
would have been abandoned by now.

From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.


It depends on what you mean by usable. If you disable scripts or use
a light weight browser and just put up with some websites not working
properly, it may still be usable most of the time.

"Off By One" is a newer (than the rest) light browser with win98
support:
http://www.offbyone.com/offbyone/index.htm

I run Dillo in Linux, which is a similar thing but Windows
versions won't work with native win98 (might be worth trying it
with KernelEx). Generally the only time I need to switch to a
mainstream browser is when a website requires a log-in (and
various scripts running in the background to handle it), but
even then a few well designed websites still work.

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Old June 8th 18, 07:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Jerome Tews
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 23:12:38 +0000 (UTC), lid
(Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

Jerome Tews wrote:
Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted. The
last one was in 2011. Or am I looking in the wrong place? The site that
I went to is on Sourceforge.


I've never run Kernel-Ex, but I think it's no surprise that it
would have been abandoned by now.

From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.


It depends on what you mean by usable. If you disable scripts or use
a light weight browser and just put up with some websites not working
properly, it may still be usable most of the time.

"Off By One" is a newer (than the rest) light browser with win98
support:
http://www.offbyone.com/offbyone/index.htm

Have you actually tried to use Offbyone lately?
I used to use that quite a lot. It does NOT load any httpS sites. At
least 90% of all sites are now httpS. And every day more sittes are
going with httpS.

I run Dillo in Linux, which is a similar thing but Windows
versions won't work with native win98 (might be worth trying it
with KernelEx). Generally the only time I need to switch to a
mainstream browser is when a website requires a log-in (and
various scripts running in the background to handle it), but
even then a few well designed websites still work.


I use Firefox 3.x under Kernel-EX. Anything above that causes too many
problems. Using Firefox 2.x or similar (K-meleon or Seamonkey) produce
script errors every few seconds, repeatedly. In fact I have a weight
that I sit on the enter key because I get tired of hitting that key 20,
50 or 100 times for every webpage. Or there are security errors. Trying
to load a webpage these days is like going to war. I am no longer
willing to cope with it.

None of this security crap was ever needed with the old (simple)
websites. Now they add so much crap to sites that they apparently need
all of that. I am no longer willing to deal with it.


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Old June 8th 18, 09:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Computer Nerd Kev[_2_]
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Default Has Kernel-EX been abandoned?

Jerome Tews wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 23:12:38 +0000 (UTC), lid
(Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
Jerome Tews wrote:

From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.


It depends on what you mean by usable. If you disable scripts or use
a light weight browser and just put up with some websites not working
properly, it may still be usable most of the time.

"Off By One" is a newer (than the rest) light browser with win98
support:
http://www.offbyone.com/offbyone/index.htm

Have you actually tried to use Offbyone lately?
I used to use that quite a lot. It does NOT load any httpS sites. At
least 90% of all sites are now httpS. And every day more sittes are
going with httpS.


Ah sorry, no I don't use it much.

It does say on the Overview page:
"Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) support provided by optional OpenSSL
libraries for secure navigation to https:// addresses."

Dillo-Win32 handles HTTPS, but I've tried and failed to run it
on Win98 without Kernel Ex.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/dillo-win32/

I don't use the internet on Win98 personally, my Win98 PC gets
booted to Linux for that (and it's where I'm typing from now).

I run Dillo in Linux, which is a similar thing but Windows
versions won't work with native win98 (might be worth trying it
with KernelEx). Generally the only time I need to switch to a
mainstream browser is when a website requires a log-in (and
various scripts running in the background to handle it), but
even then a few well designed websites still work.


I use Firefox 3.x under Kernel-EX. Anything above that causes too many
problems. Using Firefox 2.x or similar (K-meleon or Seamonkey) produce
script errors every few seconds, repeatedly. In fact I have a weight
that I sit on the enter key because I get tired of hitting that key 20,
50 or 100 times for every webpage. Or there are security errors. Trying
to load a webpage these days is like going to war. I am no longer
willing to cope with it.

None of this security crap was ever needed with the old (simple)
websites. Now they add so much crap to sites that they apparently need
all of that. I am no longer willing to deal with it.


Yes most often web developers just do it because they can,
unfortunately.

HTTP Web proxy services offer a sort of solution, though there
are new problems introduced by using them too.
http://applepieproxy.xyz/

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Old June 10th 18, 02:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Computer Nerd Kev[_2_]
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Default Has Kernel-EX been abandoned?

On 08 Jun 2018, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Jerome Tews wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 23:12:38 +0000 (UTC),
lid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
Jerome Tews wrote:

From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become
completely unusable for the internet. There are no
longer any browsers that work. Because of this, I plan
to cancel my internet service at the end of this month.
I will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI
spots from now on, because I refuse to use any of
Microsoft's latest crap operating systems.

It depends on what you mean by usable. If you disable
scripts or use a light weight browser and just put up with
some websites not working properly, it may still be usable
most of the time.

"Off By One" is a newer (than the rest) light browser with
win98 support:
http://www.offbyone.com/offbyone/index.htm

Have you actually tried to use Offbyone lately?
I used to use that quite a lot. It does NOT load any httpS
sites. At least 90% of all sites are now httpS. And every
day more sittes are going with httpS.


Ah sorry, no I don't use it much.

It does say on the Overview page:
"Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) support provided by optional
OpenSSL
libraries for secure navigation to https:// addresses."


I also found this page:
http://offbyone.com/offbyone/ob1_ssl_support.htm

But nevertheless, running it on XP, I can't seem to get HTTPS
pages to load even with the SSL libraries in C:\WINDOWS
\SYSTEM32. Perhaps it doesn't use TLS, which all the websites
require now, or its included certificates are all out of date.

One of the most annoying things about HTTPS is how all the
encryption systems age so quickly.

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Old June 7th 18, 01:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_2_]
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In message , Jerome Tews
writes:
Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted. The
last one was in 2011. Or am I looking in the wrong place? The site that
I went to is on Sourceforge.


Wouldn't surprise me.

From what I am seeing, Win98 has finally become completely unusable for
the internet. There are no longer any browsers that work. Because of
this, I plan to cancel my internet service at the end of this month. I
will have to resort to using my smartphone at WIFI spots from now on,
because I refuse to use any of Microsoft's latest crap operating
systems.

Microsoft aren't going to be bothered by your decision (-:.

I'd not call XP and 7 "latest" - XP support ended some years ago.
Basically, XP and 7 are where '98 and XP were a few years ago. XP is
still usable with the internet, with work, though it's getting harder; 7
is fine.

What's your _reason_ for giving up? You should get a perfectly usable 7
machine for not very much; an XP almost for nothing, though good ones
are maybe now beginning to get rarity value.
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them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for
science intact. - Carl Sagan (interview w. Psychology Today published '96-1-1)
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Old June 7th 18, 02:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy[_5_]
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Jerome Tews wrote:

Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted.


What a bunch of bone-headed responses to this question. I'm surprised
this group has dumbed down so much.

KernelEx has always been a special project centered in the win-98
section of msfn.org.

https://msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-9xme/

I see that as of right now (9 pm EST) that MSFN is down. But when it's
up, have a look in the "member projects" sub-forum in the above forum.

As for win-98 not being a usable OS on the web today, I continue to use
it with Firefox 2.0.0.20 as my primary browser (with scripting turned
off and with considerable use of select blocking add-ons as well as
hosts file entries).

When I have to, I will use Opera 12.02 (usable on win-98 with KernelEx).

The KernelEx version I'm using dates to 2/24/2017 (4.05.2016.17) but I
think newer versions are available. Also many kstubs options too.

My primary win-98 pc is based on Pentium 4, 2.8 ghz, with several SATA
hard drives (500 gb, 750 gb and 1.5 tb). Win-98 has no problems using
such large SATA hard drives by the way. My system also has 2 gb of ram,
and win-98 can see and use all of it (because of a certain well-known
hack).
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Old June 7th 18, 04:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Paul[_6_]
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98 Guy wrote:
Jerome Tews wrote:

Has Kernel-EX been abandoned? I am not seeing any updates posted.


What a bunch of bone-headed responses to this question. I'm surprised
this group has dumbed down so much.

KernelEx has always been a special project centered in the win-98
section of msfn.org.

https://msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-9xme/

I see that as of right now (9 pm EST) that MSFN is down. But when it's
up, have a look in the "member projects" sub-forum in the above forum.

As for win-98 not being a usable OS on the web today, I continue to use
it with Firefox 2.0.0.20 as my primary browser (with scripting turned
off and with considerable use of select blocking add-ons as well as
hosts file entries).

When I have to, I will use Opera 12.02 (usable on win-98 with KernelEx).

The KernelEx version I'm using dates to 2/24/2017 (4.05.2016.17) but I
think newer versions are available. Also many kstubs options too.

My primary win-98 pc is based on Pentium 4, 2.8 ghz, with several SATA
hard drives (500 gb, 750 gb and 1.5 tb). Win-98 has no problems using
such large SATA hard drives by the way. My system also has 2 gb of ram,
and win-98 can see and use all of it (because of a certain well-known
hack).


You should view the problem of web browsing from the
web browsing end.

1) Web standards were made complicated, as a barrier
to entry. The initial things that needed to be done
to make a web page, weren't that complicated.
2) The developers bloat the browser until it runs slow
on their 20-core computer. Then they release it to
everyone else as their "fastest yet".
3) It takes a hundred people plus, to make a dent in
browser development. Two well-meaning people in a
basement somewhere, aren't going to edit half the
files in the browser source, and correct all the
privacy trampling or performance destroying stuff.
One build tree I downloaded here, had 600,000 files
in it, a lot of which will be test benches. This
isn't something that two people can even read from
end to end, let alone edit.

If no one will make a decent browser, and "forking"
efforts don't have the manpower to make a difference,
then you'd better find something else to do with
your Win98 machine. I bet you can still edit Word
files on it just fine - using an editor from the same
era as Win98.

I've run Win98 on my Core2 at 3GHz (one core only),
and sure it screams. But all it would take is one
of those stinking advertising Javascript files
to throw that processor into a tight loop while running
a modern browser, and there'd be no cycles left for
anything else. The first thing you'd need to do,
is change the scheduling model, so a single
Javascript can't do that. I'm not aware of any
browser design that "solves the Javascript problem".
The web sites have us by the short and curlys.

As long as large organizations and standards bodies
controlled by them, are working against us, what hope
is there ? Being able to view a small percentage of
sites, is that an option ? What good is that ?
Would I have been able to place an online order
today, if I'd had one hand tied behind my back ?

Paul
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Old June 7th 18, 12:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Computer Nerd Kev[_2_]
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98 Guy wrote:

As for win-98 not being a usable OS on the web today, I continue to use
it with Firefox 2.0.0.20 as my primary browser (with scripting turned
off and with considerable use of select blocking add-ons as well as
hosts file entries).


You must have trouble with the encryption protocols that Firefox V. 2
didn't support and are now the only option when connecting to many
sites. My recent expenience loading pages in FF V. 2 has been constant
"unable to connect" windows when loading any mainstream website. I
guess your hosts file and "blocking add-ons" might lesson that, but
even the web servers that still let you use a FF V. 2 era encryption
protocol usually use more recent SSL certificates than those that
were bundled with FF V. 2, and adding new ones manually triggered
another bug for me, which stopped the pages loading altogether.

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