A Windows 98 & ME forum. Win98banter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » Win98banter forum » Windows 98 » Improving Performance
Site Map Home Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old November 7th 05, 07:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
Hugh Candlin[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 6
Default How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?

"Ron Badour" wrote in message
...
Applesauce?????????? G

--
Regards

Indeed.

Although it lacks the ready recognition of the others,
it makes up for it with its element of surprise,
and its humorous impact.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=applesauce


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...
"Ron Martell" wrote in message
...
"Chris" wrote:

You don't get it? If an application does not free up the used memory,
Windows can not free up the memory to use for other applications.
Hence,

a
Windows restart is the only way to get the memory back.

Like I said, try some other programs. Try searching for a program

call
dbPowerAmp. This program even lets you save audio in mp3 format.


Balderdash. Hogwash. Malarkey.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada


Stock up while you're in the mood

Balderdash, baloney, bilge, bull, bunkum, claptrap, crap, eyewash,
flimflam,
garbage, hogwash, hooey, horsefeathers, jazz, piffle, poppycock, rot,
rubbish,
tomfoolery, tommyrot, trash and applesauce.






  #33  
Old November 7th 05, 09:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?

Claptrap? I thought that was something else. Oops. Wait a minute, no,
no, never mind. I looked it up now. You MIGHT have been thinking of the
other thing, nasty as you are, Candlin-- BUT I can't really say for
sure!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...
| "Ron Martell" wrote in message
| ...
| "Chris" wrote:
|
| You don't get it? If an application does not free up the used
memory,
| Windows can not free up the memory to use for other applications.
Hence,
| a
| Windows restart is the only way to get the memory back.
|
| Like I said, try some other programs. Try searching for a program
call
| dbPowerAmp. This program even lets you save audio in mp3 format.
|
|
| Balderdash. Hogwash. Malarkey.
|
| Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
|
| Stock up while you're in the mood
|
| Balderdash, baloney, bilge, bull, bunkum, claptrap, crap, eyewash,
flimflam,
| garbage, hogwash, hooey, horsefeathers, jazz, piffle, poppycock, rot,
| rubbish,
| tomfoolery, tommyrot, trash and applesauce.
|
|


  #34  
Old November 7th 05, 11:07 PM
Richard G. Harper
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?

Indeed, applesauce. :-)

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ...
http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Ron Badour" wrote in message
...
Applesauce?????????? G



  #35  
Old November 7th 05, 11:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
Richard G. Harper
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 396
Default How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?

Indeed, applesauce. :-)

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to.
* My website, such as it is ...
http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Ron Badour" wrote in message
...
Applesauce?????????? G



  #36  
Old November 9th 05, 10:12 AM
Jeff Richards
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?

To test your problem, the procedure would be:
1.
Start
Open 20Mb file
Check memory usage
2.
Start
Check Properties of 20Mb file
Open 20Mb file
Check memory usage

The important thing is memory available when you are trying to process that
file - at any other time you really don't care how memory is being used.

But it is impossible to draw sensible conclusions from the simple type of
memory analysis you are using. For instance, you might see an increase in
swap file used between the two scenarios. But whether or not this is
significant for performance depends of why the swap file usage has changed.
As I mentioned, simply looking at free or unallocated RAM tells you nearly
nothing about how Windows is using memory and whether or not performance is
being affected.

The optimization that Windows can achieve does not take up any memory. It's
no quicker to write over free memory than it is to write over memory where
Windows was saving the contents in case it might be re-used but has now
decided that there's a more important use for it. That's the critical
point - the process of discarding memory involves no processing overhead.
Memory that can be returned to the unallocated pool (freed, in terms of your
original question) is exactly the same memory that gets written over just as
soon as there's a more important use for it.

If you want to force Windows to return memory to the unallocated pool there
are any number of utilities that claim to defragment or reclaim memory. They
don't do anything useful, but they do change the measurements reported by
these memory monitors. People with plenty of experience with Windows will
almost always advise (for W98 or later) to just let Windows look after it.
If you choose to use one of these utilities, be very careful it does not
come with a trojan - this sort of software is a popular choice for people
who need to install something secret on your system.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Jon Danniken" wrote in message
...
Thank you, Jeff; I appreciate that you read my query and I also appreciate
your reality-based explanation as to what exactly is going in this this
case. The mechanism makes sense now, and I appreciate knowing this.

You asked about about the memory usage in a different case; here it is:

Start -- 30 Mb unused RAM
Open 20Mb file -- 10 Mb unused RAM
Close 20Mb. file -- 30 Mb unused RAM
Check Properties of 20Mb file -- 15 Mb. unused RAM
Close Properties -- *** no change in unused RAM ***
Open 20Mb. file -- 0Mb. unused RAM, 5 Mb Swap

I guess my question at this point would be asking how to turn *off* the
"optimization" of Windows to that it returns the
released memory to unused physical memory after checking the properties.
(Or maybe I should just stop checking properties lol).

While I appreciate that the optimizations are handy in most circumstances,
I
would much rather wait a little bit for the application to load than have
what little memory I have taken up (IMHO) by the "optimization". This
machine is currently only doing a few specific tasks, so I am willing (and
would prefer) to accept this mode of operation.

Is this possible, and if so, how?

Thanks again,

Jon



  #37  
Old November 9th 05, 10:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance
Jeff Richards
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,526
Default How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?

To test your problem, the procedure would be:
1.
Start
Open 20Mb file
Check memory usage
2.
Start
Check Properties of 20Mb file
Open 20Mb file
Check memory usage

The important thing is memory available when you are trying to process that
file - at any other time you really don't care how memory is being used.

But it is impossible to draw sensible conclusions from the simple type of
memory analysis you are using. For instance, you might see an increase in
swap file used between the two scenarios. But whether or not this is
significant for performance depends of why the swap file usage has changed.
As I mentioned, simply looking at free or unallocated RAM tells you nearly
nothing about how Windows is using memory and whether or not performance is
being affected.

The optimization that Windows can achieve does not take up any memory. It's
no quicker to write over free memory than it is to write over memory where
Windows was saving the contents in case it might be re-used but has now
decided that there's a more important use for it. That's the critical
point - the process of discarding memory involves no processing overhead.
Memory that can be returned to the unallocated pool (freed, in terms of your
original question) is exactly the same memory that gets written over just as
soon as there's a more important use for it.

If you want to force Windows to return memory to the unallocated pool there
are any number of utilities that claim to defragment or reclaim memory. They
don't do anything useful, but they do change the measurements reported by
these memory monitors. People with plenty of experience with Windows will
almost always advise (for W98 or later) to just let Windows look after it.
If you choose to use one of these utilities, be very careful it does not
come with a trojan - this sort of software is a popular choice for people
who need to install something secret on your system.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Jon Danniken" wrote in message
...
Thank you, Jeff; I appreciate that you read my query and I also appreciate
your reality-based explanation as to what exactly is going in this this
case. The mechanism makes sense now, and I appreciate knowing this.

You asked about about the memory usage in a different case; here it is:

Start -- 30 Mb unused RAM
Open 20Mb file -- 10 Mb unused RAM
Close 20Mb. file -- 30 Mb unused RAM
Check Properties of 20Mb file -- 15 Mb. unused RAM
Close Properties -- *** no change in unused RAM ***
Open 20Mb. file -- 0Mb. unused RAM, 5 Mb Swap

I guess my question at this point would be asking how to turn *off* the
"optimization" of Windows to that it returns the
released memory to unused physical memory after checking the properties.
(Or maybe I should just stop checking properties lol).

While I appreciate that the optimizations are handy in most circumstances,
I
would much rather wait a little bit for the application to load than have
what little memory I have taken up (IMHO) by the "optimization". This
machine is currently only doing a few specific tasks, so I am willing (and
would prefer) to accept this mode of operation.

Is this possible, and if so, how?

Thanks again,

Jon



 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Please help! Display settings !! Mitzi Monitors & Displays 12 July 11th 04 05:19 AM
Why are Win98 USB Memory Stick drivers not generic ? tequilaboat General 2 June 18th 04 04:33 PM
Installing Win98 SE Not enough Memory Donald McCann Setup & Installation 0 June 7th 04 09:16 AM
How do I print to TCPIP connected printer from Win98? Al Dykes Networking 0 June 6th 04 04:13 PM
upgrade from Win 98 to Win98 SE after application of February/04 security updates Alex Turko Setup & Installation 0 June 2nd 04 08:07 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 Win98banter.
The comments are property of their posters.