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ME Reinstallation (Clean Install) Problems
These are the options....
MS manufacture Retail CD's - bit Upgrade and Full OEM CD's - both Upgrade and Retail - for sale with hardware only OEM's manufacture whatever the hell they like - within the parameters of their likens. The bigger they are, the more they can afford to tailor the package it comes in to reduce support costs ("Just put the CD in the slot and type Restore at the DOS prompt - problem solved!" = reformat/reinstall done with no interaction whatsoever - and no warning either!) When Gateway started in the UK, they shipped systems with full MS OEM CD's - together with a 'System CD' which contained extra drivers, and a recovery option (I still have one somewhere). When they ran away from Europe, they were selling with Recovery/Restore disks, and the customer never saw the OS disk at all, AFAIK. Your Win 95 CD sounds like an MS OEM one - most manufacturers' OEM CD's have the manufacturer's name plastered all over them, and the booklet is not normally supplied. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's or http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp "Rick T" wrote in message ... I was sorta hoping to get unconfused.... So there are M$ OEM CDs (as in produced by MS for system mfrs) and OEM MS CDs (as in licensed by MS but produced by system mfrs, themselves) ? Are these what I've been referring to as "Recovery CDs"? or is that a different thing altogether. My Win95 "Only for...." came with a M$ printed booklet with a MS "Certificate of Authenticity" glued to the front. There is nothing on the CD or on the booklet that refer to any other corporation except Microsoft. Rick |
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Noel Paton wrote:
These are the options.... MS manufacture Retail CD's - bit Upgrade and Full OEM CD's - both Upgrade and Retail - for sale with hardware only OEM's manufacture whatever the hell they like - within the parameters of their likens. The bigger they are, the more they can afford to tailor the package it comes in to reduce support costs ("Just put the CD in the slot and type Restore at the DOS prompt - problem solved!" = reformat/reinstall done with no interaction whatsoever - and no warning either!) When Gateway started in the UK, they shipped systems with full MS OEM CD's - together with a 'System CD' which contained extra drivers, and a recovery option (I still have one somewhere). When they ran away from Europe, they were selling with Recovery/Restore disks, and the customer never saw the OS disk at all, AFAIK. Your Win 95 CD sounds like an MS OEM one - most manufacturers' OEM CD's have the manufacturer's name plastered all over them, and the booklet is not normally supplied. Thanks Noel Rick |
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NP, Rick
-- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's or http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp "Rick T" wrote in message ... Noel Paton wrote: These are the options.... MS manufacture Retail CD's - bit Upgrade and Full OEM CD's - both Upgrade and Retail - for sale with hardware only OEM's manufacture whatever the hell they like - within the parameters of their likens. The bigger they are, the more they can afford to tailor the package it comes in to reduce support costs ("Just put the CD in the slot and type Restore at the DOS prompt - problem solved!" = reformat/reinstall done with no interaction whatsoever - and no warning either!) When Gateway started in the UK, they shipped systems with full MS OEM CD's - together with a 'System CD' which contained extra drivers, and a recovery option (I still have one somewhere). When they ran away from Europe, they were selling with Recovery/Restore disks, and the customer never saw the OS disk at all, AFAIK. Your Win 95 CD sounds like an MS OEM one - most manufacturers' OEM CD's have the manufacturer's name plastered all over them, and the booklet is not normally supplied. Thanks Noel Rick |
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Well, I'm not making much progress, and have to admit that I'm stumped. I've
installed ME and XP about six other times, but have never had as much trouble as with this one. Here are the details. 1) I can use an old DD that has ME installed, and can get the machine to boot. BIOS load goes asa it should with the CPU speed and memory registering properly. 2) I've used Western Digital's Lifeguard utility to format and partion the new drive. I used the most current version of the software. I picked a WinME option for the OS. The first partition, c:, is bootable by Western's software. 3) I'm using a WinME startup disk created from WnME to boot the floppy. I pick the "cd rom support" method, and the floppy software loads properly. While this is happening, I get an error message telling me that the DD does not include a valid Fat or FAT32 partition (despite point 2 above). D: is recognized as the CD. 4) When I input d:setup, I get the following error message: "If HPFS or NTFS is on the DD, you will need to create an MS-Boot partition." Proplem is I have already done this - by point 2 above. As a matter of fact, I formatted the DD three different times just in case I did something wrong. 5) One funny thing though -- as opposed to point 1 above, with the new DD, I don't see a memory count. I know that the drive is good as I've used it as a slave in point 1 as well as on another XP machine. I use the same ribbon cable and power cable installed the same way for the working drive and the non-working drive. As a matter of fact I leave them attached to the motherboard, and simply move as needed between the drive. Both drives are set up by jumpers as single drives -- and have been installed in the box that way. I find it hard to beleive that it's the WD software, as I used the same software to format a DD for XP, and it worked fine. Anyone have any ideas? In article , says... I had a processor die a few weeks ago, so I decided to install a new processor and motherboard. Of course this played havoc with the operating system and made it very unstable. It'us useable, but not stable at all. |
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Mike M Asked:
2) Why use WD's LifeGuard rather than fdisk and format using a Win Me boot floppy? Two reasons. First, I've used WD's software repeatedly over the last 4 years without any difficulty, and second, I really want to partition the drive. I have to admit I've not used fdisk, but was under the impression it would not let me set up partitions. I like the c drive to be a max of 12 gigs because scandisk, when it runs, takes forever for big drives. I've never run out of c drive room, but if I do, I can always install a program on a different drive. 4) If using a Win Me boot floppy the D drive will be a RAMDRIVE. Your CD-ROM will be E. The dos boot does say that it recognizes the cd drive to be the d drive. If you are right, then maybe that is my problem. I'll try a setup off of the e drive. Thanks for your response, Mike. |
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RN,
fdisk is the Microsoft tool used to partition a disk with a maximum of four primary partitions with one being an extended partition that can then contain multiple drives). For more details see KB255867 - "How to Use the Fdisk Tool and the Format Tool to Partition or Repartition a Hard Disk" (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=255867) Try typing DIR D: and then DIR E: from the DOS prompt. Which shows the contents of the CD-ROM? Best of luck and I hope you get this resolved soon. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP RN wrote: 2) Why use WD's LifeGuard rather than fdisk and format using a Win Me boot floppy? Two reasons. First, I've used WD's software repeatedly over the last 4 years without any difficulty, and second, I really want to partition the drive. I have to admit I've not used fdisk, but was under the impression it would not let me set up partitions. I like the c drive to be a max of 12 gigs because scandisk, when it runs, takes forever for big drives. I've never run out of c drive room, but if I do, I can always install a program on a different drive. 4) If using a Win Me boot floppy the D drive will be a RAMDRIVE. Your CD-ROM will be E. The dos boot does say that it recognizes the cd drive to be the d drive. If you are right, then maybe that is my problem. I'll try a setup off of the e drive. Thanks for your response, Mike. |
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....and don't forget - the CD is E: (or higher)!!
-- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's or http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp "Mike M" wrote in message ... RN, fdisk is the Microsoft tool used to partition a disk with a maximum of four primary partitions with one being an extended partition that can then contain multiple drives). For more details see KB255867 - "How to Use the Fdisk Tool and the Format Tool to Partition or Repartition a Hard Disk" (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=255867) Try typing DIR D: and then DIR E: from the DOS prompt. Which shows the contents of the CD-ROM? Best of luck and I hope you get this resolved soon. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP RN wrote: 2) Why use WD's LifeGuard rather than fdisk and format using a Win Me boot floppy? Two reasons. First, I've used WD's software repeatedly over the last 4 years without any difficulty, and second, I really want to partition the drive. I have to admit I've not used fdisk, but was under the impression it would not let me set up partitions. I like the c drive to be a max of 12 gigs because scandisk, when it runs, takes forever for big drives. I've never run out of c drive room, but if I do, I can always install a program on a different drive. 4) If using a Win Me boot floppy the D drive will be a RAMDRIVE. Your CD-ROM will be E. The dos boot does say that it recognizes the cd drive to be the d drive. If you are right, then maybe that is my problem. I'll try a setup off of the e drive. Thanks for your response, Mike. |
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Which is what I said in my previous reply and why I suggested in the post to
which you replied that RN should DIR both D: and E: -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP Noel Paton wrote: ...and don't forget - the CD is E: (or higher)!! |
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I know that the drive is good as I've used it as a slave in point 1 as well as on another XP machine. snip I find it hard to believe that it's the WD software, as I used the same software to format a DD for XP, and it worked fine. Perchance, if you are using the hard disk in a XP machine, is it formatted as NTFS? If so, then WinME can't see it when booted from a WinME startup disk. Maybe ramdisk is then C: drive, and CD-ROM becomes D: drive? You really need to Fdisk the hard disk with WinME's fdisk, and format with with WinME's format to really be sure you get fat32, which WinME can read. Good luck, BarryG In article tKjBc.596 , says... I had a processor die a few weeks ago, so I decided to install a new processor and motherboard. Of course this played havoc with the operating system and made it very unstable. It'us useable, but not stable at all. . |
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