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  #1  
Old January 9th 05, 12:59 PM
Brande
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Default Can't start windows

My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and the
computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on he went
into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer to load
up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but nothing. I
have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it.
Any suggestions
--
Happy New Year
  #2  
Old January 11th 05, 07:46 PM
Jack E Martinelli
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"Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt when you
cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved is
booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such that
the
line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After removing the
floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched after
which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS KB
279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt"
(http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736).
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003
------

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Brande" wrote in message
...
My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and the
computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on he

went
into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer to

load
up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but nothing.

I
have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it.
Any suggestions
--
Happy New Year



  #3  
Old January 12th 05, 07:59 PM
Brande
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Posts: n/a
Default

I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool
mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is then this
wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some problem
with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I was
trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried to get
some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of doing
this???

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote:

"Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt when you
cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved is
booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such that
the
line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After removing the
floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched after
which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS KB
279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt"
(http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736).
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003
------

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Brande" wrote in message
...
My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and the
computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on he

went
into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer to

load
up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but nothing.

I
have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it.
Any suggestions
--
Happy New Year




  #4  
Old January 12th 05, 08:33 PM
Noel Paton
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Default

From your description, it would seem that your young lad has managed to
delete some critical files from the Windows folder (shouldn't be possible,
but young minds...).

I suspect that your only option is likely to be to reinstall ME over
itself - and hope that doing so doesn't remove access to some of your data.

See what sense you can make out of the following link - it doesn't strictly
apply in your case, but should give you the guidelines you need to get there
in the end.....
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm

post back with questions BEFORE doing anything irreversible to your PC!!


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Brande" wrote in message
...
I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool
mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is then
this
wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some
problem
with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I was
trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried to
get
some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of doing
this???

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote:

"Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt when
you
cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved is
booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such that
the
line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After removing
the
floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched
after
which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS KB
279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt"
(http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736).
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003
------

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Brande" wrote in message
...
My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and
the
computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on
he

went
into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer to

load
up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but
nothing.

I
have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it.
Any suggestions
--
Happy New Year






  #5  
Old January 12th 05, 11:37 PM
Jack E Martinelli
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Posts: n/a
Default

Not having seen or manipulated your machine, I concur with Noel, if a SR
doesn't succeed.

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
From your description, it would seem that your young lad has managed to
delete some critical files from the Windows folder (shouldn't be possible,
but young minds...).

I suspect that your only option is likely to be to reinstall ME over
itself - and hope that doing so doesn't remove access to some of your

data.

See what sense you can make out of the following link - it doesn't

strictly
apply in your case, but should give you the guidelines you need to get

there
in the end.....
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm

post back with questions BEFORE doing anything irreversible to your PC!!


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Brande" wrote in message
...
I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool
mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is then
this
wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some
problem
with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I was
trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried to
get
some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of doing
this???

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote:

"Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt when
you
cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved is
booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such

that
the
line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After

removing
the
floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched
after
which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS

KB
279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt"
(http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736).
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003
------

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Brande" wrote in message
...
My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and
the
computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on
he
went
into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer

to
load
up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but
nothing.
I
have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it.
Any suggestions
--
Happy New Year







  #6  
Old January 13th 05, 09:05 AM
Brande
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I haven't got a windows start up disk, I only have a Product recovery cd-rom,
an international installation disk and a floppy that says atapi device driver
v 0.02 for dos/windows 3.1(I don't know if that has anything to do with it).
The page you sent me to says to delete windows media and IE6 before loading,
which I obviously can't do, then it says to boot using a start up disk, which
I haven't got. Can I download one from somewhere on to here and then take it
over there.
When I start the computer it goes through all the steps in the beginning and
then it does a scan of the computer because it hasn't shut down properly, I
noticed that when it does this the part at the top only says floppy and c
drive and the floppy says 5.25 floppy, i don't know if that makes any
difference, I jsut thought I would mention it.
There is no problem with loosing data as there was nothing on there, only
the basics that it started with.
I will read through that article you gave me and see if anything else helps,
I only gave it a quick read this morning.

"Noel Paton" wrote:

From your description, it would seem that your young lad has managed to
delete some critical files from the Windows folder (shouldn't be possible,
but young minds...).

I suspect that your only option is likely to be to reinstall ME over
itself - and hope that doing so doesn't remove access to some of your data.

See what sense you can make out of the following link - it doesn't strictly
apply in your case, but should give you the guidelines you need to get there
in the end.....
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm

post back with questions BEFORE doing anything irreversible to your PC!!


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Brande" wrote in message
...
I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool
mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is then
this
wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some
problem
with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I was
trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried to
get
some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of doing
this???

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote:

"Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt when
you
cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved is
booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such that
the
line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After removing
the
floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched
after
which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS KB
279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt"
(http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736).
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003
------

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Brande" wrote in message
...
My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and
the
computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on
he
went
into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer to
load
up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but
nothing.
I
have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it.
Any suggestions
--
Happy New Year






  #7  
Old January 13th 05, 04:26 PM
Jack E Martinelli
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Posts: n/a
Default

You can get the files for making a WinME EBD, aka, boot disk, at
www.bootdisk.com
http://www.startdisk.com/

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Brande" wrote in message
...
I haven't got a windows start up disk, I only have a Product recovery

cd-rom,
an international installation disk and a floppy that says atapi device

driver
v 0.02 for dos/windows 3.1(I don't know if that has anything to do with

it).
The page you sent me to says to delete windows media and IE6 before

loading,
which I obviously can't do, then it says to boot using a start up disk,

which
I haven't got. Can I download one from somewhere on to here and then take

it
over there.
When I start the computer it goes through all the steps in the beginning

and
then it does a scan of the computer because it hasn't shut down properly,

I
noticed that when it does this the part at the top only says floppy and c
drive and the floppy says 5.25 floppy, i don't know if that makes any
difference, I jsut thought I would mention it.
There is no problem with loosing data as there was nothing on there, only
the basics that it started with.
I will read through that article you gave me and see if anything else

helps,
I only gave it a quick read this morning.

"Noel Paton" wrote:

From your description, it would seem that your young lad has managed to
delete some critical files from the Windows folder (shouldn't be

possible,
but young minds...).

I suspect that your only option is likely to be to reinstall ME over
itself - and hope that doing so doesn't remove access to some of your

data.

See what sense you can make out of the following link - it doesn't

strictly
apply in your case, but should give you the guidelines you need to get

there
in the end.....
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm

post back with questions BEFORE doing anything irreversible to your PC!!


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's

"Brande" wrote in message
...
I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool
mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is

then
this
wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some
problem
with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I

was
trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried

to
get
some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of

doing
this???

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote:

"Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt

when
you
cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved

is
booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such

that
the
line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After

removing
the
floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched
after
which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS

KB
279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt"
(http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736).
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003
------

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Brande" wrote in message
...
My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on

and
the
computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game

on
he
went
into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer

to
load
up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but
nothing.
I
have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it.
Any suggestions
--
Happy New Year








  #8  
Old January 13th 05, 09:12 PM
Noel Paton
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Hmmm - the mention of the 5.25 floppy is a little worrying (unless you are
lucky enough to have such an antique installed!).

From what you say, it sounds as if your BIOS may have been reset to the
default - which can be either good, or bad, depending on the age of the
motherboard and BIOS.

If you're unable to create the boot disk from the links that Jack has
posted, then let us know the error messages you get, and we'll see what we
can do.


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Brande" wrote in message
...
I haven't got a windows start up disk, I only have a Product recovery
cd-rom,
an international installation disk and a floppy that says atapi device
driver
v 0.02 for dos/windows 3.1(I don't know if that has anything to do with
it).
The page you sent me to says to delete windows media and IE6 before
loading,
which I obviously can't do, then it says to boot using a start up disk,
which
I haven't got. Can I download one from somewhere on to here and then take
it
over there.
When I start the computer it goes through all the steps in the beginning
and
then it does a scan of the computer because it hasn't shut down properly,
I
noticed that when it does this the part at the top only says floppy and c
drive and the floppy says 5.25 floppy, i don't know if that makes any
difference, I jsut thought I would mention it.
There is no problem with loosing data as there was nothing on there, only
the basics that it started with.
I will read through that article you gave me and see if anything else
helps,
I only gave it a quick read this morning.

"Noel Paton" wrote:

From your description, it would seem that your young lad has managed to
delete some critical files from the Windows folder (shouldn't be
possible,
but young minds...).

I suspect that your only option is likely to be to reinstall ME over
itself - and hope that doing so doesn't remove access to some of your
data.

See what sense you can make out of the following link - it doesn't
strictly
apply in your case, but should give you the guidelines you need to get
there
in the end.....
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm

post back with questions BEFORE doing anything irreversible to your PC!!


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Brande" wrote in message
...
I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool
mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is then
this
wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some
problem
with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I was
trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried
to
get
some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of
doing
this???

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote:

"Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt
when
you
cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved
is
booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such
that
the
line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After
removing
the
floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched
after
which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS
KB
279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt"
(http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736).
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003
------

--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Brande" wrote in message
...
My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on
and
the
computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game
on
he
went
into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer
to
load
up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but
nothing.
I
have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it.
Any suggestions
--
Happy New Year








  #9  
Old January 13th 05, 09:27 PM
Mike M
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Default

Whoa - who are you calling antique? I've got one box here with twin
floppies, a 3½/5¼ combo drive. It started life in a Viglen in around 1989
and since then has moved from one PC to another as I've built new
machines. Now where did I put that floppy with Frogger?
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Noel Paton wrote:

Hmmm - the mention of the 5.25 floppy is a little worrying (unless
you are lucky enough to have such an antique installed!).

From what you say, it sounds as if your BIOS may have been reset to
the default - which can be either good, or bad, depending on the age
of the motherboard and BIOS.

If you're unable to create the boot disk from the links that Jack has
posted, then let us know the error messages you get, and we'll see
what we can do.


  #10  
Old January 13th 05, 11:39 PM
Noel Paton
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Default

I'm actually trying to finagle a 5.25" drive out of work - I put three old
boxes into the junkpile in the server room, with a note to the boss that I
may be able to find 'worthy causes' if they didn't want them..... I'm not
holding my breath.


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Whoa - who are you calling antique? I've got one box here with twin
floppies, a 3½/5¼ combo drive. It started life in a Viglen in around 1989
and since then has moved from one PC to another as I've built new
machines. Now where did I put that floppy with Frogger?
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Noel Paton wrote:

Hmmm - the mention of the 5.25 floppy is a little worrying (unless
you are lucky enough to have such an antique installed!).

From what you say, it sounds as if your BIOS may have been reset to
the default - which can be either good, or bad, depending on the age
of the motherboard and BIOS.

If you're unable to create the boot disk from the links that Jack has
posted, then let us know the error messages you get, and we'll see
what we can do.





 




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