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My Problem with Nuisance Temp Files
Hi Good Folk! So glad you're still here ))
I see this has been addressed very recently but I've a new twist: Yesterday--while removing a puzzle file I'd erroneously saved in the Windows folder (I'd made it from a desktop wallpaper '-)--I found three hundred and forty eight empty "fff {...}.tmp" files in there. I was shocked! I vaguely remembered reading something about them before so did some Googling and visited MS for the poop about Word 2000 being their creator and details for putting an end to the glitch. But, but, but . . . and here's the twist . . . I don't have Word 2000 installed--in fact, I've never had it! I have Word 97 which I installed last January 17 on the heels of a new hard drive--and a computer-wide search for the culprit Mdm.exe file comes up empty! There's no entry for it in msconfig and no entry in the registry under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr ent Version\RunServices to delete. I've disabled 97's Find Fast (through the Control Panel); disabled script debugging in IE; disabled PCHealth by way of msconfig (and also disabled its scheduled task); and I deleted all the hundreds of fff tmps--but each boot still gets me two fresh ones :-( I did notice, however, that the first instance of an fff tmp was dated April 19th--the day after I installed an updated version (6.0.1.1091) of the Acrobat Reader (I keep records '-). Is it possible that AcroRd32 is creating the fff files??? Insights, ideas much appreciated :-) carol |
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My Problem with Nuisance Temp Files
Hi Mike
Thanks for responding :-) . . . but as I said I just don't have Mdm.exe anywhere--not in the task manager, not on the startup tab of msconfig, not in the registry, not in the startup folder, not on any of my three hard drives. Two full searches have come up empty and I do have all hidden files visible (because I like to delete the old bloated Thumbs.db's whenever I prune the contents of image folders). "Show hidden files and folders" is ticked and "Hide protected operating system files" is unchecked. I've never installed Office 2000--only have Word 97 and Works 4.0.3.458. I don't have VisualStudio whatever that is--but . . . I do have the PowerPoint Viewer version 11.0.5703.0 and four new fff files in my Windows folder with today's date on them (powered up twice). Of the hundreds of fff files I've removed from the Windows folder (but haven't permanently deleted) two are dated a few minutes after I installed the PPViewer on January 18. All of the others began appearing April 19 and are continuing to be created even today (I did receive a PowerPoint presentation as an attachment from a relative on April 7th--don't know when I viewed it though). But I do not have the Mdm.exe program anywhere on my computer, honest!--unless it's part of PPTVIEW.EXE? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? If Mdm.exe is the only program that creates those files then something baffling is going on! carol "Mike M" wrote in message ... The fff temp files are not created by Word nor do they have anything to do with the useless FindFast or Acrobat. It appears that you may have Microsoft's Machine Debug Manager (mdm.exe) loading at startup. MDM is installed by default when you install MS Office and perhaps also by VisualStudio. If you don't need MDM to debug script problems then I would recommend a) killing mdm.exe in the Task Manager, b) removing mdm.exe from Startup in MSConfig, c) in Internet Explorer, go Tools | Internet Options | Advanced and make certain that "Disable script debugging" is checked in the "Browsing" section, and d) renaming mdm.exe to something like mdm.old. This can be a pretty persistent little program and unless one renames the file you will find it added to startup again behind your back - for example when adding a service pack to O2K. Once you have killed mdm you can delete all the fff??????{?????}.tmp files it will have created in your ..\windows folder. See also MS KB Q221438 - "OFF2000: Files Whose Name Begins with "fff" Appear in Windows Folder" (http://support.microsoft.com/support...Q221/4/38.ASP). Look again for mdm.exe making sure first that you have enabled the viewing of all hidden files (Folder Options | View, two places). -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP caroloyl wrote: Hi Good Folk! So glad you're still here )) I see this has been addressed very recently but I've a new twist: Yesterday--while removing a puzzle file I'd erroneously saved in the Windows folder (I'd made it from a desktop wallpaper '-)--I found three hundred and forty eight empty "fff {...}.tmp" files in there. I was shocked! I vaguely remembered reading something about them before so did some Googling and visited MS for the poop about Word 2000 being their creator and details for putting an end to the glitch. But, but, but . . . and here's the twist . . . I don't have Word 2000 installed--in fact, I've never had it! I have Word 97 which I installed last January 17 on the heels of a new hard drive--and a computer-wide search for the culprit Mdm.exe file comes up empty! There's no entry for it in msconfig and no entry in the registry under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr ent Version\RunServices to delete. I've disabled 97's Find Fast (through the Control Panel); disabled script debugging in IE; disabled PCHealth by way of msconfig (and also disabled its scheduled task); and I deleted all the hundreds of fff tmps--but each boot still gets me two fresh ones :-( I did notice, however, that the first instance of an fff tmp was dated April 19th--the day after I installed an updated version (6.0.1.1091) of the Acrobat Reader (I keep records '-). Is it possible that AcroRd32 is creating the fff files??? Insights, ideas much appreciated :-) |
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My Problem with Nuisance Temp Files
Carol,
Have you tried disabling script debugging as I suggested? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? That rather depends on which is the more inconvenient, not being able to view PowerPoint files or having to occasionally delete the unwanted fff tmp files. A decision only you can make. vbg. -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Thanks for responding :-) . . . but as I said I just don't have Mdm.exe anywhere--not in the task manager, not on the startup tab of msconfig, not in the registry, not in the startup folder, not on any of my three hard drives. Two full searches have come up empty and I do have all hidden files visible (because I like to delete the old bloated Thumbs.db's whenever I prune the contents of image folders). "Show hidden files and folders" is ticked and "Hide protected operating system files" is unchecked. I've never installed Office 2000--only have Word 97 and Works 4.0.3.458. I don't have VisualStudio whatever that is--but . . . I do have the PowerPoint Viewer version 11.0.5703.0 and four new fff files in my Windows folder with today's date on them (powered up twice). Of the hundreds of fff files I've removed from the Windows folder (but haven't permanently deleted) two are dated a few minutes after I installed the PPViewer on January 18. All of the others began appearing April 19 and are continuing to be created even today (I did receive a PowerPoint presentation as an attachment from a relative on April 7th--don't know when I viewed it though). But I do not have the Mdm.exe program anywhere on my computer, honest!--unless it's part of PPTVIEW.EXE? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? If Mdm.exe is the only program that creates those files then something baffling is going on! |
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My Problem with Nuisance Temp Files
Hi Mike
Yup, "Disable script debugging" is checked on IE's Internet Options/Advanced tab. Since I rarely receive PowerPoint files, I uninstalled the PowerPoint Viewer yesterday via Add/Remove but it made absolutely no difference--I'm still getting two new fff files with every boot. So if the PPV is the culprit it's made some change that doesn't revert! Am I stuck with this? Certainly can't restore to January 18th :-b carol "Mike M" wrote in message ... Carol, Have you tried disabling script debugging as I suggested? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? That rather depends on which is the more inconvenient, not being able to view PowerPoint files or having to occasionally delete the unwanted fff tmp files. A decision only you can make. vbg. -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Thanks for responding :-) . . . but as I said I just don't have Mdm.exe anywhere--not in the task manager, not on the startup tab of msconfig, not in the registry, not in the startup folder, not on any of my three hard drives. Two full searches have come up empty and I do have all hidden files visible (because I like to delete the old bloated Thumbs.db's whenever I prune the contents of image folders). "Show hidden files and folders" is ticked and "Hide protected operating system files" is unchecked. I've never installed Office 2000--only have Word 97 and Works 4.0.3.458. I don't have VisualStudio whatever that is--but . . . I do have the PowerPoint Viewer version 11.0.5703.0 and four new fff files in my Windows folder with today's date on them (powered up twice). Of the hundreds of fff files I've removed from the Windows folder (but haven't permanently deleted) two are dated a few minutes after I installed the PPViewer on January 18. All of the others began appearing April 19 and are continuing to be created even today (I did receive a PowerPoint presentation as an attachment from a relative on April 7th--don't know when I viewed it though). But I do not have the Mdm.exe program anywhere on my computer, honest!--unless it's part of PPTVIEW.EXE? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? If Mdm.exe is the only program that creates those files then something baffling is going on! |
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My Problem with Nuisance Temp Files
Am I stuck with this?
Yes until you remove the program that is creating these files which 99.9% of the time is the machine debug manager (mdm.exe). What do you have listed and checked in MSConfig | Startup? -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Yup, "Disable script debugging" is checked on IE's Internet Options/Advanced tab. Since I rarely receive PowerPoint files, I uninstalled the PowerPoint Viewer yesterday via Add/Remove but it made absolutely no difference--I'm still getting two new fff files with every boot. So if the PPV is the culprit it's made some change that doesn't revert! Am I stuck with this? Certainly can't restore to January 18th :-b carol "Mike M" wrote in message ... Carol, Have you tried disabling script debugging as I suggested? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? That rather depends on which is the more inconvenient, not being able to view PowerPoint files or having to occasionally delete the unwanted fff tmp files. A decision only you can make. vbg. -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Thanks for responding :-) . . . but as I said I just don't have Mdm.exe anywhere--not in the task manager, not on the startup tab of msconfig, not in the registry, not in the startup folder, not on any of my three hard drives. Two full searches have come up empty and I do have all hidden files visible (because I like to delete the old bloated Thumbs.db's whenever I prune the contents of image folders). "Show hidden files and folders" is ticked and "Hide protected operating system files" is unchecked. I've never installed Office 2000--only have Word 97 and Works 4.0.3.458. I don't have VisualStudio whatever that is--but . . . I do have the PowerPoint Viewer version 11.0.5703.0 and four new fff files in my Windows folder with today's date on them (powered up twice). Of the hundreds of fff files I've removed from the Windows folder (but haven't permanently deleted) two are dated a few minutes after I installed the PPViewer on January 18. All of the others began appearing April 19 and are continuing to be created even today (I did receive a PowerPoint presentation as an attachment from a relative on April 7th--don't know when I viewed it though). But I do not have the Mdm.exe program anywhere on my computer, honest!--unless it's part of PPTVIEW.EXE? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? If Mdm.exe is the only program that creates those files then something baffling is going on! |
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My Problem with Nuisance Temp Files
Hi Mike
Thanks for sticking with me :-)) On the startup tab I have going: $Volumouse$ (had this for a couple of years--great little app) Desktop Architect (had this since 2001--ditto) ScanRegistry TaskMonitor SystemTray LoadPowerProfile avast! Web Scanner Tweak UI LoadPowerProfile (again) SchedulingAgent *StateMgr avast! KB891711 DKService (Diskeeper) Dialog Box Assistant (been using this handy app for years too) Unchecked and disabled a InstantAccess (TextBridge) RegisterDropHandler (ditto TB) C-Media Mixer PCHealth RegisterDropHandler(TextBridge again) Microsoft Find Fast (installed with Word 97) Office Startup (ditto) These seven apps always show in the Close Program dialog: Explorer Osdex (another name for Dialog Box Assistant) Datray (Desktop Architect) Systray Dkservice Volumouse Ashwebsv (avast! Web Scanner) Nothing new or untested here :-\ carol "Mike M" wrote in message ... Am I stuck with this? Yes until you remove the program that is creating these files which 99.9% of the time is the machine debug manager (mdm.exe). What do you have listed and checked in MSConfig | Startup? -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Yup, "Disable script debugging" is checked on IE's Internet Options/Advanced tab. Since I rarely receive PowerPoint files, I uninstalled the PowerPoint Viewer yesterday via Add/Remove but it made absolutely no difference--I'm still getting two new fff files with every boot. So if the PPV is the culprit it's made some change that doesn't revert! Am I stuck with this? Certainly can't restore to January 18th :-b carol "Mike M" wrote in message ... Carol, Have you tried disabling script debugging as I suggested? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? That rather depends on which is the more inconvenient, not being able to view PowerPoint files or having to occasionally delete the unwanted fff tmp files. A decision only you can make. vbg. -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Thanks for responding :-) . . . but as I said I just don't have Mdm.exe anywhere--not in the task manager, not on the startup tab of msconfig, not in the registry, not in the startup folder, not on any of my three hard drives. Two full searches have come up empty and I do have all hidden files visible (because I like to delete the old bloated Thumbs.db's whenever I prune the contents of image folders). "Show hidden files and folders" is ticked and "Hide protected operating system files" is unchecked. I've never installed Office 2000--only have Word 97 and Works 4.0.3.458. I don't have VisualStudio whatever that is--but . . . I do have the PowerPoint Viewer version 11.0.5703.0 and four new fff files in my Windows folder with today's date on them (powered up twice). Of the hundreds of fff files I've removed from the Windows folder (but haven't permanently deleted) two are dated a few minutes after I installed the PPViewer on January 18. All of the others began appearing April 19 and are continuing to be created even today (I did receive a PowerPoint presentation as an attachment from a relative on April 7th--don't know when I viewed it though). But I do not have the Mdm.exe program anywhere on my computer, honest!--unless it's part of PPTVIEW.EXE? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? If Mdm.exe is the only program that creates those files then something baffling is going on! |
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My Problem with Nuisance Temp Files
Carol,
There's nothing there that is creating the ff tmp files you are seeing despite you saying that they are created each time you boot your system. Do a pair of these ff files get created if you boot your PC and then do nothing more than let it run for five minutes and then shutdown? If no then it isn't a start up entry that is creating the files but rather an application that you use virtually every time you use your PC. Sorry not to be able to finger the culprit and I feel you are going to have to do the detective work yourself to establish which of your applications is creating the files. I'm inclined to think that it might be Internet Explorer or that you have a process running that you aren't aware of. You might want to try using a process viewer such as the old WinTop (part of the equally old Win95 Powertools available from http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/d...oy/Default.asp) or SysInternals Process Explorer (www.sysinternals.com to enable you to see all the processes that are running on your PC at any time. -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Thanks for sticking with me :-)) On the startup tab I have going: $Volumouse$ (had this for a couple of years--great little app) Desktop Architect (had this since 2001--ditto) ScanRegistry TaskMonitor SystemTray LoadPowerProfile avast! Web Scanner Tweak UI LoadPowerProfile (again) SchedulingAgent *StateMgr avast! KB891711 DKService (Diskeeper) Dialog Box Assistant (been using this handy app for years too) Unchecked and disabled a InstantAccess (TextBridge) RegisterDropHandler (ditto TB) C-Media Mixer PCHealth RegisterDropHandler(TextBridge again) Microsoft Find Fast (installed with Word 97) Office Startup (ditto) These seven apps always show in the Close Program dialog: Explorer Osdex (another name for Dialog Box Assistant) Datray (Desktop Architect) Systray Dkservice Volumouse Ashwebsv (avast! Web Scanner) Nothing new or untested here :-\ carol "Mike M" wrote in message ... Am I stuck with this? Yes until you remove the program that is creating these files which 99.9% of the time is the machine debug manager (mdm.exe). What do you have listed and checked in MSConfig | Startup? -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Yup, "Disable script debugging" is checked on IE's Internet Options/Advanced tab. Since I rarely receive PowerPoint files, I uninstalled the PowerPoint Viewer yesterday via Add/Remove but it made absolutely no difference--I'm still getting two new fff files with every boot. So if the PPV is the culprit it's made some change that doesn't revert! Am I stuck with this? Certainly can't restore to January 18th :-b carol "Mike M" wrote in message ... Carol, Have you tried disabling script debugging as I suggested? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? That rather depends on which is the more inconvenient, not being able to view PowerPoint files or having to occasionally delete the unwanted fff tmp files. A decision only you can make. vbg. -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Thanks for responding :-) . . . but as I said I just don't have Mdm.exe anywhere--not in the task manager, not on the startup tab of msconfig, not in the registry, not in the startup folder, not on any of my three hard drives. Two full searches have come up empty and I do have all hidden files visible (because I like to delete the old bloated Thumbs.db's whenever I prune the contents of image folders). "Show hidden files and folders" is ticked and "Hide protected operating system files" is unchecked. I've never installed Office 2000--only have Word 97 and Works 4.0.3.458. I don't have VisualStudio whatever that is--but . . . I do have the PowerPoint Viewer version 11.0.5703.0 and four new fff files in my Windows folder with today's date on them (powered up twice). Of the hundreds of fff files I've removed from the Windows folder (but haven't permanently deleted) two are dated a few minutes after I installed the PPViewer on January 18. All of the others began appearing April 19 and are continuing to be created even today (I did receive a PowerPoint presentation as an attachment from a relative on April 7th--don't know when I viewed it though). But I do not have the Mdm.exe program anywhere on my computer, honest!--unless it's part of PPTVIEW.EXE? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? If Mdm.exe is the only program that creates those files then something baffling is going on! |
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Hi Mike
You're spot on! Working with your idea, I cold booted and waited five minutes before running anything. Then I opened the Windows folder to see if the fff files were in there but found nada. Then I opened a few programs one at a time refreshing the Windows folder immediately after each loaded to see if the fff's had appeared--but there were still none after running a search, looking at pictures with PicaView, opening OE and running a scripted stationery, and invoking the dial-up. However, once online, as soon as I loaded IE there they were! Strange that I'd have had two fff's in January then no more until the middle of April (and then a number of them every day since!) I think my three-year old modem is on it's way out--very slow downloading of late--sometimes stalling to a complete standstill, with heaps of disconnects these last few months too. I know it's affected the performance of IE and OE--especially after it's disconnected itself and I've reinvoked it. Once that's happened both programs sometimes lock up/misbehave until I shut down completely and reboot (a simple restart doesn't fix). Could the modem be causing IE's response? carol "Mike M" wrote in message ... Carol, There's nothing there that is creating the ff tmp files you are seeing despite you saying that they are created each time you boot your system. Do a pair of these ff files get created if you boot your PC and then do nothing more than let it run for five minutes and then shutdown? If no then it isn't a start up entry that is creating the files but rather an application that you use virtually every time you use your PC. Sorry not to be able to finger the culprit and I feel you are going to have to do the detective work yourself to establish which of your applications is creating the files. I'm inclined to think that it might be Internet Explorer or that you have a process running that you aren't aware of. You might want to try using a process viewer such as the old WinTop (part of the equally old Win95 Powertools available from http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/d...95KernelToy/De fault.asp) or SysInternals Process Explorer (www.sysinternals.com to enable you to see all the processes that are running on your PC at any time. -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Thanks for sticking with me :-)) On the startup tab I have going: $Volumouse$ (had this for a couple of years--great little app) Desktop Architect (had this since 2001--ditto) ScanRegistry TaskMonitor SystemTray LoadPowerProfile avast! Web Scanner Tweak UI LoadPowerProfile (again) SchedulingAgent *StateMgr avast! KB891711 DKService (Diskeeper) Dialog Box Assistant (been using this handy app for years too) Unchecked and disabled a InstantAccess (TextBridge) RegisterDropHandler (ditto TB) C-Media Mixer PCHealth RegisterDropHandler(TextBridge again) Microsoft Find Fast (installed with Word 97) Office Startup (ditto) These seven apps always show in the Close Program dialog: Explorer Osdex (another name for Dialog Box Assistant) Datray (Desktop Architect) Systray Dkservice Volumouse Ashwebsv (avast! Web Scanner) Nothing new or untested here :-\ carol "Mike M" wrote in message ... Am I stuck with this? Yes until you remove the program that is creating these files which 99.9% of the time is the machine debug manager (mdm.exe). What do you have listed and checked in MSConfig | Startup? -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Yup, "Disable script debugging" is checked on IE's Internet Options/Advanced tab. Since I rarely receive PowerPoint files, I uninstalled the PowerPoint Viewer yesterday via Add/Remove but it made absolutely no difference--I'm still getting two new fff files with every boot. So if the PPV is the culprit it's made some change that doesn't revert! Am I stuck with this? Certainly can't restore to January 18th :-b carol "Mike M" wrote in message ... Carol, Have you tried disabling script debugging as I suggested? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? That rather depends on which is the more inconvenient, not being able to view PowerPoint files or having to occasionally delete the unwanted fff tmp files. A decision only you can make. vbg. -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike Thanks for responding :-) . . . but as I said I just don't have Mdm.exe anywhere--not in the task manager, not on the startup tab of msconfig, not in the registry, not in the startup folder, not on any of my three hard drives. Two full searches have come up empty and I do have all hidden files visible (because I like to delete the old bloated Thumbs.db's whenever I prune the contents of image folders). "Show hidden files and folders" is ticked and "Hide protected operating system files" is unchecked. I've never installed Office 2000--only have Word 97 and Works 4.0.3.458. I don't have VisualStudio whatever that is--but . . . I do have the PowerPoint Viewer version 11.0.5703.0 and four new fff files in my Windows folder with today's date on them (powered up twice). Of the hundreds of fff files I've removed from the Windows folder (but haven't permanently deleted) two are dated a few minutes after I installed the PPViewer on January 18. All of the others began appearing April 19 and are continuing to be created even today (I did receive a PowerPoint presentation as an attachment from a relative on April 7th--don't know when I viewed it though). But I do not have the Mdm.exe program anywhere on my computer, honest!--unless it's part of PPTVIEW.EXE? Should I maybe uninstall the PPV and see if the fff's go away? If Mdm.exe is the only program that creates those files then something baffling is going on! |
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My Problem with Nuisance Temp Files
Carol,
Could the modem be causing IE's response? I really don't know and its a bit hard to diagnose what might be happening with your connection without actually observing the fluctuations in speeds and then checking with a second set of hardware to determine if the problem is with your line or the hardware on your PC. Is there a chance that you could borrow another modem from a friend to check this out? I'm unclear as to why or how your disconnects then leads to other programs locking up. This sounds awfully like unwanted malware of some sort but I think not and am sure there is some other simpler explanation however as to what that might be is beyond me. g Returning to your fff tmp files. It would seem then that these are being created by IE in some way and that this is probably controlled by some Advanced setting or other. I thought that disabling script debugging was all that was required but you have proven me wrong so some other setting has to be involved as well. Out of curiosity what version of IE are you running (Help | About should give you plenty of info here)? -- Mike Maltby caroloyl wrote: Hi Mike You're spot on! Working with your idea, I cold booted and waited five minutes before running anything. Then I opened the Windows folder to see if the fff files were in there but found nada. Then I opened a few programs one at a time refreshing the Windows folder immediately after each loaded to see if the fff's had appeared--but there were still none after running a search, looking at pictures with PicaView, opening OE and running a scripted stationery, and invoking the dial-up. However, once online, as soon as I loaded IE there they were! Strange that I'd have had two fff's in January then no more until the middle of April (and then a number of them every day since!) I think my three-year old modem is on it's way out--very slow downloading of late--sometimes stalling to a complete standstill, with heaps of disconnects these last few months too. I know it's affected the performance of IE and OE--especially after it's disconnected itself and I've reinvoked it. Once that's happened both programs sometimes lock up/misbehave until I shut down completely and reboot (a simple restart doesn't fix). Could the modem be causing IE's response? |
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