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comp keeps timing out.
Hello,
Have encountered a problem that has been happening for the last month. \ (Win98SE, Dun,) Problem is my connection seems to time-out after about 10 minutes of non-use. It is okay if it is being used. Spent the last week trouble-shooting, including an absolute confirmation from my Isp that the problem is not at their end. In 'modem' via control-panel, there was/is a box that allows for a nominated time before a computer disconnects if not being used, and as long as I can remember it has always been greyed-out. My Isp and I decided it might be a good idea to activate the box and enter 300 minutes. (of which is the 5 hour block I get from my Isp) Is there any other setting I may have missed? Is there any reason at all why this has suddenly started doing this? Thank you for replies. S/C. |
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comp keeps timing out.
"square/circle" wrote in message
... Have encountered a problem that has been happening for the last month. \ (Win98SE, Dun,) Problem is my connection seems to time-out after about 10 minutes of non-use. It is okay if it is being used. Telephone line signal quality may be the basic problem. Phone companies know digital data requires higher line quality than analogue voice, but have _never_ professed to be able to supply digital quality via voice line. 1. The lines that actually connect your house to the phone co. central do not remain unchanged. For the convenience of the network, the physical lines to your phone may be switched to other lines several times in a year. This is a likely cause of any sudden change in quality (up or down.) 2. Limited DP capacity of voice lines is one reason why so many muncipalities now encourage wireless ISPs, so that they can claim 100 per cent of the population can get high-speed Internet (whether broadband cable is available or not.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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comp keeps timing out.
"square/circle" wrote in message
... Have encountered a problem that has been happening for the last month. \ (Win98SE, Dun,) Problem is my connection seems to time-out after about 10 minutes of non-use. It is okay if it is being used. Telephone line signal quality may be the basic problem. Phone companies know digital data requires higher line quality than analogue voice, but have _never_ professed to be able to supply digital quality via voice line. 1. The lines that actually connect your house to the phone co. central do not remain unchanged. For the convenience of the network, the physical lines to your phone may be switched to other lines several times in a year. This is a likely cause of any sudden change in quality (up or down.) 2. Limited DP capacity of voice lines is one reason why so many muncipalities now encourage wireless ISPs, so that they can claim 100 per cent of the population can get high-speed Internet (whether broadband cable is available or not.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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comp keeps timing out.
square/circle wrote:
Hello, Have encountered a problem that has been happening for the last month. \ (Win98SE, Dun,) Problem is my connection seems to time-out after about 10 minutes of non-use. It is okay if it is being used. Spent the last week trouble-shooting, including an absolute confirmation from my Isp that the problem is not at their end. In 'modem' via control-panel, there was/is a box that allows for a nominated time before a computer disconnects if not being used, and as long as I can remember it has always been greyed-out. My Isp and I decided it might be a good idea to activate the box and enter 300 minutes. (of which is the 5 hour block I get from my Isp) Is there any other setting I may have missed? Is there any reason at all why this has suddenly started doing this? Thank you for replies. S/C. It would help if you provide more information if you wish group help. 1. What ISP/service are you using? 2. What other settings have you modified? 3. What is the update status, and is this a "officially" updated system? 4. What is the type of modem or connection being used? I'll not address registry settings/modifications in this, I will apprise of what was used to circumvent these activities. These are mostly for phone-line examples, though also potentials for other styles. The links at the bottom will provide some specific information to better help you with the potential issues and forming questions you may still have. An explanation: Every ISP which has time limits [which I have ever personally used] or phone-line connections includes this in its installation and/or updates. The reason is/was to purportedly help their users avoid using all of their allotted time after, for instance, falling asleep at the keyboard, or failing to disconnect for some other reason, or [on the ISP end] to keep a sufficient available connection pool. AOL [as example; NETZERO was similar] was one of the most active in this area. Unless one moved the mouse, or changed a web page, or some other like activity to reset the timer [depending upon how the service had implemented this activity], you were disconnected. Work-arounds were created that would either ping various websites, or work directly on the timer itself. The one I used most regularly was called [IIRC] Stay Alive by PCMAG, which pinged a list of web addresses at intervals. Try "keep alive download" or "stay alive download" for starting searches. ** Another potential issue which is involved is your *firewall*. It *must* pass the proper activity between you and your ISP [generally ICMP traffic] and/or provider. Blocking those activities will/or may cause the time-out even when properly using the service [meaning you are moving around the Internet] due to the failure of the ISP to reset its own software [if this has been installed] clock/timer or other like activities within your system. When using AOL, I had/have to allow their specific activity [the IP address range(s) involved] to pass through the firewall, while blocking other addresses for proper protection [this activity can be used by others to keep connections alive (such as websites you may have visited and disconnected from) as well as to create connections (pinging for the service, establishing returns, checking other services and expanding)]. NOTE: if you are networked and have a server you must (generally) also allow these style of activities locally [local network IP range(s) such as in SAMBA and other local network connections]. Additionally: IF, on the other hand, you have a broad-band modem and/or modem/router, and/or secondary router, or wireless direct connect [wireless netcard (like 3G)], you may have settings, within the device and/or driver, which need tweaked to properly pass or provide keep-alive connections. http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...NETWORKING.htm http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...n_vpn_diag.htm http://peoplescounsel.org/reg/gen/se...able_modem.htm -- MEB Windows Networking, Diagnostics, and other materials http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm The "real world" of Law, Justice, and government http://peoplescounsel.org ------- |
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comp keeps timing out.
square/circle wrote:
Hello, Have encountered a problem that has been happening for the last month. \ (Win98SE, Dun,) Problem is my connection seems to time-out after about 10 minutes of non-use. It is okay if it is being used. Spent the last week trouble-shooting, including an absolute confirmation from my Isp that the problem is not at their end. In 'modem' via control-panel, there was/is a box that allows for a nominated time before a computer disconnects if not being used, and as long as I can remember it has always been greyed-out. My Isp and I decided it might be a good idea to activate the box and enter 300 minutes. (of which is the 5 hour block I get from my Isp) Is there any other setting I may have missed? Is there any reason at all why this has suddenly started doing this? Thank you for replies. S/C. It would help if you provide more information if you wish group help. 1. What ISP/service are you using? 2. What other settings have you modified? 3. What is the update status, and is this a "officially" updated system? 4. What is the type of modem or connection being used? I'll not address registry settings/modifications in this, I will apprise of what was used to circumvent these activities. These are mostly for phone-line examples, though also potentials for other styles. The links at the bottom will provide some specific information to better help you with the potential issues and forming questions you may still have. An explanation: Every ISP which has time limits [which I have ever personally used] or phone-line connections includes this in its installation and/or updates. The reason is/was to purportedly help their users avoid using all of their allotted time after, for instance, falling asleep at the keyboard, or failing to disconnect for some other reason, or [on the ISP end] to keep a sufficient available connection pool. AOL [as example; NETZERO was similar] was one of the most active in this area. Unless one moved the mouse, or changed a web page, or some other like activity to reset the timer [depending upon how the service had implemented this activity], you were disconnected. Work-arounds were created that would either ping various websites, or work directly on the timer itself. The one I used most regularly was called [IIRC] Stay Alive by PCMAG, which pinged a list of web addresses at intervals. Try "keep alive download" or "stay alive download" for starting searches. ** Another potential issue which is involved is your *firewall*. It *must* pass the proper activity between you and your ISP [generally ICMP traffic] and/or provider. Blocking those activities will/or may cause the time-out even when properly using the service [meaning you are moving around the Internet] due to the failure of the ISP to reset its own software [if this has been installed] clock/timer or other like activities within your system. When using AOL, I had/have to allow their specific activity [the IP address range(s) involved] to pass through the firewall, while blocking other addresses for proper protection [this activity can be used by others to keep connections alive (such as websites you may have visited and disconnected from) as well as to create connections (pinging for the service, establishing returns, checking other services and expanding)]. NOTE: if you are networked and have a server you must (generally) also allow these style of activities locally [local network IP range(s) such as in SAMBA and other local network connections]. Additionally: IF, on the other hand, you have a broad-band modem and/or modem/router, and/or secondary router, or wireless direct connect [wireless netcard (like 3G)], you may have settings, within the device and/or driver, which need tweaked to properly pass or provide keep-alive connections. http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...NETWORKING.htm http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...n_vpn_diag.htm http://peoplescounsel.org/reg/gen/se...able_modem.htm -- MEB Windows Networking, Diagnostics, and other materials http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm The "real world" of Law, Justice, and government http://peoplescounsel.org ------- |
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comp keeps timing out.
MEB wrote:
http://peoplescounsel.org/reg/gen/se...able_modem.htm Oh darn, the link above *should be*: http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...able_modem.htm sorry about that... -- MEB Windows Networking, Diagnostics, and other materials http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm The "real world" of Law, Justice, and government http://peoplescounsel.org ------- |
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comp keeps timing out.
MEB wrote:
http://peoplescounsel.org/reg/gen/se...able_modem.htm Oh darn, the link above *should be*: http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...able_modem.htm sorry about that... -- MEB Windows Networking, Diagnostics, and other materials http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm The "real world" of Law, Justice, and government http://peoplescounsel.org ------- |
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comp keeps timing out. Don & Meb
MEB wrote:
square/circle wrote: Hello, Have encountered a problem that has been happening for the last month. \ (Win98SE, Dun,) Problem is my connection seems to time-out after about 10 minutes of non-use. It is okay if it is being used. Spent the last week trouble-shooting, including an absolute confirmation from my Isp that the problem is not at their end. In 'modem' via control-panel, there was/is a box that allows for a nominated time before a computer disconnects if not being used, and as long as I can remember it has always been greyed-out. My Isp and I decided it might be a good idea to activate the box and enter 300 minutes. (of which is the 5 hour block I get from my Isp) Is there any other setting I may have missed? Is there any reason at all why this has suddenly started doing this? Thank you for replies. S/C. It would help if you provide more information if you wish group help. 1. What ISP/service are you using? 2. What other settings have you modified? 3. What is the update status, and is this a "officially" updated system? 4. What is the type of modem or connection being used? Hello,, I will try to answer some questions, and also tell of another factor that I forgot. First, the one I forgot:: The connection itself seems to not actually be disconnecting as the icon remains near the clock(task bar). If I go to use my house phone during these periods, I still don't get a dial tone, of which is par for the course when I am connected to the net. Also, I have been using the same Isp with the same settings (untouched) for over 5 years, and said, this problem only popped up a month ago, hence me asking Isp if anything had changed on their end. ------- 1)Am using a simple dial-up service. 2)I havent modified any settings at all, never had a need to. 3)If you mean are all windows updates for 98SE up to date, no they are not, there are probably a few missing.(but again, no problems in 5yrs.) 4)The modem is an 'external box'. 56k v90. I get data transfer at 44,000 bps. 5)Have never had a firewall, and still dont. I do have Kerio stashed in a folder, but from what I have read(lurking and otherwise) a software firewall useless, and only a router can give adequate protection.(no, I dont have one of those either... never had a need.) Hope this is enough. S/C |
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comp keeps timing out. Don & Meb
MEB wrote:
square/circle wrote: Hello, Have encountered a problem that has been happening for the last month. \ (Win98SE, Dun,) Problem is my connection seems to time-out after about 10 minutes of non-use. It is okay if it is being used. Spent the last week trouble-shooting, including an absolute confirmation from my Isp that the problem is not at their end. In 'modem' via control-panel, there was/is a box that allows for a nominated time before a computer disconnects if not being used, and as long as I can remember it has always been greyed-out. My Isp and I decided it might be a good idea to activate the box and enter 300 minutes. (of which is the 5 hour block I get from my Isp) Is there any other setting I may have missed? Is there any reason at all why this has suddenly started doing this? Thank you for replies. S/C. It would help if you provide more information if you wish group help. 1. What ISP/service are you using? 2. What other settings have you modified? 3. What is the update status, and is this a "officially" updated system? 4. What is the type of modem or connection being used? Hello,, I will try to answer some questions, and also tell of another factor that I forgot. First, the one I forgot:: The connection itself seems to not actually be disconnecting as the icon remains near the clock(task bar). If I go to use my house phone during these periods, I still don't get a dial tone, of which is par for the course when I am connected to the net. Also, I have been using the same Isp with the same settings (untouched) for over 5 years, and said, this problem only popped up a month ago, hence me asking Isp if anything had changed on their end. ------- 1)Am using a simple dial-up service. 2)I havent modified any settings at all, never had a need to. 3)If you mean are all windows updates for 98SE up to date, no they are not, there are probably a few missing.(but again, no problems in 5yrs.) 4)The modem is an 'external box'. 56k v90. I get data transfer at 44,000 bps. 5)Have never had a firewall, and still dont. I do have Kerio stashed in a folder, but from what I have read(lurking and otherwise) a software firewall useless, and only a router can give adequate protection.(no, I dont have one of those either... never had a need.) Hope this is enough. S/C |
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comp keeps timing out. Don & Meb
square/circle wrote:
MEB wrote: square/circle wrote: Hello, Have encountered a problem that has been happening for the last month. \ (Win98SE, Dun,) Problem is my connection seems to time-out after about 10 minutes of non-use. It is okay if it is being used. Spent the last week trouble-shooting, including an absolute confirmation from my Isp that the problem is not at their end. In 'modem' via control-panel, there was/is a box that allows for a nominated time before a computer disconnects if not being used, and as long as I can remember it has always been greyed-out. My Isp and I decided it might be a good idea to activate the box and enter 300 minutes. (of which is the 5 hour block I get from my Isp) Is there any other setting I may have missed? Is there any reason at all why this has suddenly started doing this? Thank you for replies. S/C. It would help if you provide more information if you wish group help. 1. What ISP/service are you using? 2. What other settings have you modified? 3. What is the update status, and is this a "officially" updated system? 4. What is the type of modem or connection being used? Hello,, I will try to answer some questions, and also tell of another factor that I forgot. First, the one I forgot:: The connection itself seems to not actually be disconnecting as the icon remains near the clock(task bar). If I go to use my house phone during these periods, I still don't get a dial tone, of which is par for the course when I am connected to the net. Also, I have been using the same Isp with the same settings (untouched) for over 5 years, and said, this problem only popped up a month ago, hence me asking Isp if anything had changed on their end. ------- 1)Am using a simple dial-up service. 2)I havent modified any settings at all, never had a need to. 3)If you mean are all windows updates for 98SE up to date, no they are not, there are probably a few missing.(but again, no problems in 5yrs.) 4)The modem is an 'external box'. 56k v90. I get data transfer at 44,000 bps. 5)Have never had a firewall, and still dont. I do have Kerio stashed in a folder, but from what I have read(lurking and otherwise) a software firewall useless, and only a router can give adequate protection.(no, I dont have one of those either... never had a need.) Hope this is enough. S/C Well, the days of no firewall ended several years ago... if it was ever viable... my guess is you have the usual China, Taiwan, Philippine, Russian, and Brazilian IPs hanging around your connection... Might want to Check for virus and spyware, and run HighJackThis and check for potential malware and BHO issues. If your using Flash at all, you've probably been hacked.. The firewall adds another benefit, it allows you to monitor what IPs are connected *to* you, and what protocols and ports are being used.. and no, a software firewall is not useless, it happens to be your ONLY real protection available when on dial-up Phone line service. And to disable a firewall externally [or internally for that matter], generally kills the access and pops-up a warning from the firewall [had it happen more than once]. Used in conjunction with a good HOSTS file, something like Spyware Blaster, and anti-virus software you at least stand a small chance of being able to run 9X in the wild of the Internet. Otherwise you tend to be added to the pools of thousands of Zombied computers or bot farms, or end up passing around bad stuff to others... or end up with some of the newer hacks for 9X like the recent hard drive destroyers.. You might want to remove and re-install your modem driver,, what is it a 3Com/USR? [e.g., what manufacturer?] Is it comm port or USB? How about a short description of what you worked through with your ISP. -- MEB Windows Networking, Diagnostics, and other materials http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm The "real world" of Law, Justice, and government http://peoplescounsel.org ------- |
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