Hey Guys

"thanatoid" wrote in message
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"Buffalo" wrote in
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You truely are someone who likes to argue without doing the
needed research. If you don't believe it, just do a 'Find'
in any newsgroup you participate in and read your
responses.

1) Who asked you?

Who do you have to be?

2) If you're going to butt in, at least read the whole thread
instead of replying to the first post of about 5.

I read all your posts in this NG for the Oct06.

3) I read my responses. Why would I post and argue if I wasn't
going to read the replies? Just because 1 of 2 (or 9 out 10)
people disagree with me does not mean I'm not right. And if I'm
wrong, I don't care. Nothing is real anyway. Just killing time.

You're probably right, you just don't care if you are right or wrong.

4) Truely is spelled truly.

You are corrcect on that one. No arguement.

5) Some people even more a-r than I would complain about you
top-posting.

That would be their problem. When you use bottom posting with OE, it is a pain.


Disagreements and the usual insults expected and welcomed.
PS: I wonder why you say that? :-)

"Buffalo" wrote in message
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I read all your posts in this NG for the Oct06.
Should have read "since Oct 06".
"You are corrcect on that one. No arguement".

Should be 'correct' and not 'corrcect'.
PS: At least arguement is spelled incorrectly. :-)

"thanatoid" wrote in message
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"Buffalo" wrote in
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You truely are someone who likes to argue without doing the
needed research. If you don't believe it, just do a 'Find'
in any newsgroup you participate in and read your
responses.

1) Who asked you?

Who do you have to be?

It's a standard phase used when someone butts in and has nothing
to say.

2) If you're going to butt in, at least read the whole thread
instead of replying to the first post of about 5.

I read all your posts in this NG for the Oct06.

3) I read my responses. Why would I post and argue if I
wasn't
going to read the replies? Just because 1 of 2 (or 9 out 10)
people disagree with me does not mean I'm not right. And if
I'm
wrong, I don't care. Nothing is real anyway. Just killing
time.

You're probably right, you just don't care if you are right or
wrong.

No, not really. However, sometimes I am right. No one is right
or wrong ALL the time.

4) Truely is spelled truly.

You are corrcect on that one. No arguement.

Correction:
You are *correct* on that one. No *argument*.

5) Some people even more a-r than I would complain about you
top-posting.

That would be their problem. When you use bottom posting with
OE, it is a pain.

Well, anyone that uses IE/OE for ANYTHING except wiping their
ass with it is an ignorant fool.

Disagreements and the usual insults expected and welcomed.
PS: I wonder why you say that? :-)

Because there are a LOT of really stupid people with nothing to
do around, and I have found this is a rather effective pre-
emptive clause (if that's the right term, English is not my
first language).

"Buffalo" wrote in
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"Buffalo" wrote in message
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I read all your posts in this NG for the Oct06.
Should have read "since Oct 06".

You really need a life. But it's nice to have another fan.

"You are corrcect on that one. No arguement".

Should be 'correct' and not 'corrcect'.
PS: At least arguement is spelled incorrectly. :-)

At least you have a sense of humor.

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Disagreements and the usual insults expected and welcomed.

thanatoid wrote:
| "thanatoid" wrote in message
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| "Buffalo" wrote in
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| You truely are someone who likes to argue without doing the
| needed research. If you don't believe it, just do a 'Find'
| in any newsgroup you participate in and read your
| responses.
|
| 1) Who asked you?
|
|Who do you have to be?
|
| It's a standard phase used when someone butts in and has nothing
| to say.

That's "phrase", not "phase". Also, it's a sentence, not a phrase.

....snip
| Disagreements and the usual insults expected and welcomed.
|PS: I wonder why you say that? :-)
|
| Because there are a LOT of really stupid people with nothing to
| do around, and I have found this is a rather effective pre-
| emptive clause (if that's the right term, English is not my
| first language).

That was a full sentence too & not a clause. A clause is always just a
part of a sentence, even if it could be a sentence on its own. And a
sentence is always a sentence, even if it could be a clause (or anything
else) in another sentence. And I'm sure you mean "preventive" & not
"preemptive", thanatoid!

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"PCR" wrote in
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thanatoid wrote:
| "thanatoid" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Buffalo" wrote in
| :
|
| You truely are someone who likes to argue without
| doing the needed research. If you don't believe it,
| just do a 'Find' in any newsgroup you participate in
| and read your responses.
|
| 1) Who asked you?
|
|Who do you have to be?
|
| It's a standard phase used when someone butts in and has
| nothing to say.

That's "phrase", not "phase". Also, it's a sentence, not a
phrase.

Damn those stupid spell-checkers! Of course I meant phrase.

AFA sentence vs. phrase, a sentence can also be a phrase but a
phrase is not always a sentence. So I call a draw there. And a
sentence can be a clause but not every clause is a sentence (see
below).

...snip

| Disagreements and the usual insults expected and
| welcomed.
|PS: I wonder why you say that? :-)
|
| Because there are a LOT of really stupid people with
| nothing to do around, and I have found this is a rather
| effective pre- emptive clause (if that's the right term,
| English is not my first language).

That was a full sentence too & not a clause.

clause (klôz) n.1. a syntactic construction containing a
subject and predicate and forming part of a sentence or
constituting a whole simple sentence. 2. a distinct article or
provision in a contract, treaty, will, or other formal or legal
written document. [1175–1225; ME claus (e) ( AF) ML clausa,
back formation from L clausula closing of something written,
conclusion = claus (us) , ptp. of claudere to CLOSE + -ula -
ULE]— claus‚al adj.

As I understand, according to def. 2, it can be called a clause
- unless you will take issue with a Usenet post NOT being a
formal or legal contract or treaty.

Actually, even def. 1 (once you read the whole damn thing ;-),
makes it a clause.

A clause is
always just a part of a sentence, even if it could be a
sentence on its own.

See above definition. And aren't "is always" and "could be" a
little contradictory?

And a sentence is always a sentence,

....or a phrase...

even if it could be a clause (or anything else) in another
sentence. And I'm sure you mean "preventive" & not
"preemptive", thanatoid!

pre•emp•tive or pre-emp•tive (prŽ emp‚tiv) adj.1. of or
pertaining to preemption. 2. taken as a measure against
something possible, anticipated, or feared; preventive;
deterrent: a preemptive strike against the enemy. 3. pertaining
to an opening bid in bridge that is unnecessarily high, designed
to prevent further bidding. [1785–95, Amer.]— pre•emp‚tive•ly
adv.

I meant preemptive - and it appears I was correct. Unless you
insist a preemptive move is by definition always successful. But
neither preemptive or preventive are, IMO.

Now, the REAL questions a Can a clause be a definition? Or a
phrase? The above definitions of clause are NOT sentences - I
don't think. But they are DEFINITIONS of a clause - so are they,
in a way, clauses? Or just classes?

That was fun, thank you.

Regards
t.

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" wrote in
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| thanatoid wrote:
|| "thanatoid" wrote in message
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|| "Buffalo" wrote in
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|| You truely are someone who likes to argue without
|| doing the needed research. If you don't believe it,
|| just do a 'Find' in any newsgroup you participate in
|| and read your responses.
||
|| 1) Who asked you?
||
||Who do you have to be?
||
|| It's a standard phase used when someone butts in and has
|| nothing to say.
|
| That's "phrase", not "phase". Also, it's a sentence, not a
| phrase.
|
| Damn those stupid spell-checkers! Of course I meant phrase.

Well, yea, spell checker is deficient in that. It will never fix one of
my "it's"! And you stopped fixing them long ago! Also, I wish it would
work automatically when I interweave my response!

| AFA sentence vs. phrase, a sentence can also be a phrase but a
| phrase is not always a sentence. So I call a draw there. And a
| sentence can be a clause but not every clause is a sentence (see
| below).

Fine, I'll look below, but I'm not convinced yet-- especially about a
clause. But, a grammatical phrase, too, I think is a phrase-- only when
it isn't a sentence!

| ...snip
|
|| Disagreements and the usual insults expected and
|| welcomed.
||PS: I wonder why you say that? :-)
||
|| Because there are a LOT of really stupid people with
|| nothing to do around, and I have found this is a rather
|| effective pre- emptive clause (if that's the right term,
|| English is not my first language).
|
| That was a full sentence too & not a clause.
|
| clause (klôz) n.1. a syntactic construction containing a
| subject and predicate and forming part of a sentence or
| constituting a whole simple sentence. 2. a distinct article or
| provision in a contract, treaty, will, or other formal or legal
| written document. [1175–1225; ME claus (e) ( AF) ML clausa,
| back formation from L clausula closing of something written,
| conclusion = claus (us) , ptp. of claudere to CLOSE + -ula -
| ULE]— claus‚al adj.
|
| As I understand, according to def. 2, it can be called a clause
| - unless you will take issue with a Usenet post NOT being a
| formal or legal contract or treaty.
|
| Actually, even def. 1 (once you read the whole damn thing ;-),
| makes it a clause.

Oooops. Even my own dictionary is saying much the same, now that I've
read it more carefully... "Clause 1. a group of words containing a
subject and verb, usually forming part of a compund or complex
sentence...".

Oops, yea, sorry, OK, bye! It isn't the way I remembered it!

| A clause is
| always just a part of a sentence, even if it could be a
| sentence on its own.
|
| See above definition. And aren't "is always" and "could be" a
| little contradictory?
|
| And a sentence is always a sentence,
|
| ...or a phrase...
|
| even if it could be a clause (or anything else) in another
| sentence. And I'm sure you mean "preventive" & not
| "preemptive", thanatoid!
|
| pre•emp•tive or pre-emp•tive (prŽ emp‚tiv) adj.1. of or
| pertaining to preemption. 2. taken as a measure against
| something possible, anticipated, or feared; preventive;
| deterrent: a preemptive strike against the enemy. 3. pertaining
| to an opening bid in bridge that is unnecessarily high, designed
| to prevent further bidding. [1785–95, Amer.]— pre•emp‚tive•ly
| adv.
|
| I meant preemptive - and it appears I was correct. Unless you
| insist a preemptive move is by definition always successful. But
| neither preemptive or preventive are, IMO.
|
| Now, the REAL questions a Can a clause be a definition? Or a
| phrase? The above definitions of clause are NOT sentences - I
| don't think. But they are DEFINITIONS of a clause - so are they,
| in a way, clauses? Or just classes?
|
| That was fun, thank you.
|
| Regards
| t.
|
| (Definitions from Random House Webster's.)
|
| --
| Sentences and unusual phrases expected and phased with moderate
| prejudice.

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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

thanatoid wrote:
| "PCR" wrote in
| :
|
| thanatoid wrote:
|| "thanatoid" wrote in message
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Sorry, didn't see the rest of this...

| A clause is
| always just a part of a sentence, even if it could be a
| sentence on its own.
|
| See above definition. And aren't "is always" and "could be" a
| little contradictory?

No. If taken out of the sentence, it becomes a sentence, I meant. (But
apparently you were right, & a sentence CAN be called a clause, as I
admitted earlier.

| And a sentence is always a sentence,
|
| ...or a phrase...

...... Quote Webster's New World Collegiate Dictionary.......
Phrase

4. In grammar, a sequence of a few words carrying a single thought or
forming a separate part of a sentence but not containing a subject & a
predicate (cf. clause); specifically, in linguistics, a group of two or
more words that can function as a grammatical structure (e.g., of mine,
giving parties, fresh milk).
....... EOQ
.................................................. .......................
..

Hmmmm! I think I can claim I was right about phrases. I'm sure one can
shout "fresh milk" & claim it is a phrase. But, if it isn't inside a
sentence-- I believe I must insist it isn't so. It isn't a phrase then--
it's its own sentence! IOW, I think context matters for that one.

That doesn't seem to apply to clauses, though. Yea, you had that right
for simple sentences.

| even if it could be a clause (or anything else) in another
| sentence. And I'm sure you mean "preventive" & not
| "preemptive", thanatoid!
|
| pre•emp•tive or pre-emp•tive (prŽ emp‚tiv) adj.1. of or
| pertaining to preemption. 2. taken as a measure against
| something possible, anticipated, or feared; preventive;
| deterrent: a preemptive strike against the enemy. 3. pertaining
| to an opening bid in bridge that is unnecessarily high, designed
| to prevent further bidding. [1785–95, Amer.]— pre•emp‚tive•ly
| adv.
|
| I meant preemptive - and it appears I was correct.

My dictionary just had...

Pre-empt
1. to acquire by pre-emption; settle on (public land) to establish
pre-emption.
2. to sieze before anyone else can, excluding others; appropriate.

.... thanatoid, you are right about that one.

| Unless you
| insist a preemptive move is by definition always successful. But
| neither preemptive or preventive are, IMO.

Well, I guess they wouldn't always be. Neither has been in this thread,
anyhow-- much as I 3/5 wish they were!

| Now, the REAL questions a Can a clause be a definition?

I think not-- not a definition of a word in a dictionary. A clause is a
full, simple sentence, with a subject & a predicate.

| Or a
| phrase?

Uhuh. Each definition consists of a noun phrase, each of which could
serve as the subject of a sentence. Well, definitions of verbs seem to
be other verbs or verb phrases. But I don't see any clauses!

| The above definitions of clause are NOT sentences - I
| don't think. But they are DEFINITIONS of a clause - so are they,
| in a way, clauses? Or just classes?

Oops, let me get them back....

| clause (klôz) n.1. a syntactic construction containing a
| subject and predicate and forming part of a sentence or
| constituting a whole simple sentence. 2. a distinct article or
| provision in a contract, treaty, will, or other formal or legal
| written document. [1175–1225; ME claus (e) ( AF) ML clausa,
| back formation from L clausula closing of something written,
| conclusion = claus (us) , ptp. of claudere to CLOSE + -ula -
| ULE]— claus‚al adj.

.... those definitions do not contain a subject & a predicate (meaning
verb, mainly). Therefore, they are not clauses. I guess I'd call them
noun phrases.

| That was fun, thank you.

Sure, sure, you are welcome.

| Regards
| t.
|
| (Definitions from Random House Webster's.)
|
| --
| Sentences and unusual phrases expected and phased with moderate
| prejudice.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR