Follow-up

Here's prior post:
Background:
Promise 133 controller card, 2 WDC 80GB hard drives on removable trays.
Promise bios shows identical drives. First master (alone), second master
w/slave (DVD burner).

Unable to access 2nd hard drive.
Have tried:
Simple boot floppy with ME dos on it, and same with 98SE dos on it at boot
time.
DriveImage 2002 with 98SE dos on it.
XP w/SP2.
WinME window environment.
98SE environment.
Swapping drives in trays and using the unaccessible drive by itself.
Swapping tray insertable locations. Jumpers adjusted accordingly.

During floppy boot (both 98SE and ME), have observed the access LED on the
tray indicating access to that hard drive. PC locks up everytime. Similar
in XP boot, ME and 98SE when I open windows explorer to investigate My
Computer. WDC diagnostic tool on bootable floppy similar results.
------------------------------------------------------

For those who want more precise info the one I'm having trouble with is IDE2
drive.

I tried onboard ide with same result both attempting to boot with it, and
booting from floppy and CD with WD diagnostics on it.

Using a firewire enclosure with the problem drive, XP SP2 disk manager
remains attempting to make contact with logical disk manager for 10 minutes.
I stopped it at that point. Attempting to populate, error message said that
the partition(s) may be of Windows 2000 nature. I don't own Windows 2000
and the drive has never seen such.

--
Dave

How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3 months
old?

An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.

Lil' Dave wrote:
| Here's prior post:

I've answered in the original thread, where you included even more
information in a second post.

| Background:
| Promise 133 controller card, 2 WDC 80GB hard drives on removable
| trays. Promise bios shows identical drives. First master (alone),
| second master w/slave (DVD burner).
|
| Unable to access 2nd hard drive.
| Have tried:
| Simple boot floppy with ME dos on it, and same with 98SE dos on it at
| boot time.
| DriveImage 2002 with 98SE dos on it.
| XP w/SP2.
| WinME window environment.
| 98SE environment.
| Swapping drives in trays and using the unaccessible drive by itself.
| Swapping tray insertable locations. Jumpers adjusted accordingly.
|
| During floppy boot (both 98SE and ME), have observed the access LED
| on the tray indicating access to that hard drive. PC locks up
| everytime. Similar in XP boot, ME and 98SE when I open windows
| explorer to investigate My Computer. WDC diagnostic tool on bootable
| floppy similar results.
| ------------------------------------------------------
|
| For those who want more precise info the one I'm having trouble with
| is IDE2 drive.
|
| I tried onboard ide with same result both attempting to boot with it,
| and booting from floppy and CD with WD diagnostics on it.
|
| Using a firewire enclosure with the problem drive, XP SP2 disk manager
| remains attempting to make contact with logical disk manager for 10
| minutes. I stopped it at that point. Attempting to populate, error
| message said that the partition(s) may be of Windows 2000 nature. I
| don't own Windows 2000 and the drive has never seen such.
|
| --
| Dave
|
| How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
| months old?
|
| An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

It sounds like a partition table problem making the drive unusable. If
you have no unique data on this drive, reformat it, and copy the other
drive.

I had a few drives crash a few months ago with partition table
problems. Same symptoms as yours. They became useless paperweights. I
had nothing to fix or diagnose them. I bought Partition Table Doctor
and it fixed all my problems immediately.
http://www.ptdd.com/
Download $50. For me, it was well worth the money.

Okay, have looked through both discussions. Seems you may have a problem
with the on disk controller chip, indicated by the inability to boot with
the drive in the system.
Can you actually hear the hard drive spinning?

Not saying these will work but as it is just a piece of junk right now:

Download HDAT2 and MHDD [both free/donationware], attempt to get either of
these to work with the drive. These use direct controller/BIOS access.

If unable to get either of these to work, try placing into a Linux box.

Note: Likely none of this will work.

Sooooo, if no luck, and its still junk: turn the disk on edge and slap
against your hand [or really lightly on the desk top]. once or twice, both
sides. Retry with the two tools.

And finally, using an old test computer [one that IS NOT going to be used
for much]:

Hook up the hard drive cable but DO NOT connect the power cable to the hard
drive. Hard set the BIOS to the recommended settings for the drive [can NOT
be AUTO as the BIOS will not be finding the drive so translation MUST be
set]. Start the computer with one of the free tools or a boot floppy. After
computer boot, connect the power cable to the drive. See if you can access
the disk

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
| Here's prior post:
| Background:
| Promise 133 controller card, 2 WDC 80GB hard drives on removable trays.
| Promise bios shows identical drives. First master (alone), second master
| w/slave (DVD burner).
|
| Unable to access 2nd hard drive.
| Have tried:
| Simple boot floppy with ME dos on it, and same with 98SE dos on it at boot
| time.
| DriveImage 2002 with 98SE dos on it.
| XP w/SP2.
| WinME window environment.
| 98SE environment.
| Swapping drives in trays and using the unaccessible drive by itself.
| Swapping tray insertable locations. Jumpers adjusted accordingly.
|
| During floppy boot (both 98SE and ME), have observed the access LED on the
| tray indicating access to that hard drive. PC locks up everytime.
Similar
| in XP boot, ME and 98SE when I open windows explorer to investigate My
| Computer. WDC diagnostic tool on bootable floppy similar results.
| ------------------------------------------------------
|
| For those who want more precise info the one I'm having trouble with is
IDE2
| drive.
|
| I tried onboard ide with same result both attempting to boot with it, and
| booting from floppy and CD with WD diagnostics on it.
|
| Using a firewire enclosure with the problem drive, XP SP2 disk manager
| remains attempting to make contact with logical disk manager for 10
minutes.
| I stopped it at that point. Attempting to populate, error message said
that
| the partition(s) may be of Windows 2000 nature. I don't own Windows 2000
| and the drive has never seen such.
|
| --
| Dave
|
| How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
months
| old?
|
| An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
|
|

Just a small clarification. Both identical hard drives have system
commander (circa 2002) on them. I normally use the Ultra133 TX2 card to
boot from either of them. With the good one (IDE1) out of the PC, I can
boot to the system commander menu normal icons on the IDE2 drive. What that
means is the mbr area is normal for the drive, and, the Windows ME partition
where system commander is installed is accessible to some extent.

The only alternative PC available to me is a P166 circa 1998. The bios
can't ID the drive. The PC I'm using now can connected to its onboard ide.

The only thing I've not tried is the system commander boot diskettes. I'll
give it whirl.

--
Dave

How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3 months
old?

An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Okay, have looked through both discussions. Seems you may have a problem
with the on disk controller chip, indicated by the inability to boot with
the drive in the system.
Can you actually hear the hard drive spinning?

Not saying these will work but as it is just a piece of junk right now:

Download HDAT2 and MHDD [both free/donationware], attempt to get either of
these to work with the drive. These use direct controller/BIOS access.

If unable to get either of these to work, try placing into a Linux box.

Note: Likely none of this will work.

Sooooo, if no luck, and its still junk: turn the disk on edge and slap
against your hand [or really lightly on the desk top]. once or twice, both
sides. Retry with the two tools.

And finally, using an old test computer [one that IS NOT going to be used
for much]:

Hook up the hard drive cable but DO NOT connect the power cable to the
hard
drive. Hard set the BIOS to the recommended settings for the drive [can
NOT
be AUTO as the BIOS will not be finding the drive so translation MUST be
set]. Start the computer with one of the free tools or a boot floppy.
After
computer boot, connect the power cable to the drive. See if you can access
the disk

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
| Here's prior post:
| Background:
| Promise 133 controller card, 2 WDC 80GB hard drives on removable trays.
| Promise bios shows identical drives. First master (alone), second
master
| w/slave (DVD burner).
|
| Unable to access 2nd hard drive.
| Have tried:
| Simple boot floppy with ME dos on it, and same with 98SE dos on it at
boot
| time.
| DriveImage 2002 with 98SE dos on it.
| XP w/SP2.
| WinME window environment.
| 98SE environment.
| Swapping drives in trays and using the unaccessible drive by itself.
| Swapping tray insertable locations. Jumpers adjusted accordingly.
|
| During floppy boot (both 98SE and ME), have observed the access LED on
the
| tray indicating access to that hard drive. PC locks up everytime.
Similar
| in XP boot, ME and 98SE when I open windows explorer to investigate My
| Computer. WDC diagnostic tool on bootable floppy similar results.
| ------------------------------------------------------
|
| For those who want more precise info the one I'm having trouble with is
IDE2
| drive.
|
| I tried onboard ide with same result both attempting to boot with it,
and
| booting from floppy and CD with WD diagnostics on it.
|
| Using a firewire enclosure with the problem drive, XP SP2 disk manager
| remains attempting to make contact with logical disk manager for 10
minutes.
| I stopped it at that point. Attempting to populate, error message said
that
| the partition(s) may be of Windows 2000 nature. I don't own Windows
2000
| and the drive has never seen such.
|
| --
| Dave
|
| How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
months
| old?
|
| An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
|
|

Wow, okay, must have missed the System Commander AND ME statement
somewhere...

From what I thought I saw, it appeared that nothing booted with the drive
in... my mistake

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
| Just a small clarification. Both identical hard drives have system
| commander (circa 2002) on them. I normally use the Ultra133 TX2 card to
| boot from either of them. With the good one (IDE1) out of the PC, I can
| boot to the system commander menu normal icons on the IDE2 drive. What
that
| means is the mbr area is normal for the drive, and, the Windows ME
partition
| where system commander is installed is accessible to some extent.
|
| The only alternative PC available to me is a P166 circa 1998. The bios
| can't ID the drive. The PC I'm using now can connected to its onboard
ide.
|
| The only thing I've not tried is the system commander boot diskettes.
I'll
| give it whirl.
|
| --
| Dave
|
| How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
months
| old?
|
| An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| Okay, have looked through both discussions. Seems you may have a problem
| with the on disk controller chip, indicated by the inability to boot
with
| the drive in the system.
| Can you actually hear the hard drive spinning?
|
| Not saying these will work but as it is just a piece of junk right now:
|
| Download HDAT2 and MHDD [both free/donationware], attempt to get either
of
| these to work with the drive. These use direct controller/BIOS access.
|
| If unable to get either of these to work, try placing into a Linux box.
|
| Note: Likely none of this will work.
|
| Sooooo, if no luck, and its still junk: turn the disk on edge and slap
| against your hand [or really lightly on the desk top]. once or twice,
both
| sides. Retry with the two tools.
|
| And finally, using an old test computer [one that IS NOT going to be
used
| for much]:
|
| Hook up the hard drive cable but DO NOT connect the power cable to the
| hard
| drive. Hard set the BIOS to the recommended settings for the drive [can
| NOT
| be AUTO as the BIOS will not be finding the drive so translation MUST be
| set]. Start the computer with one of the free tools or a boot floppy.
| After
| computer boot, connect the power cable to the drive. See if you can
access
| the disk
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "Lil' Dave" wrote in message
| ...
| | Here's prior post:
| | Background:
| | Promise 133 controller card, 2 WDC 80GB hard drives on removable
trays.
| | Promise bios shows identical drives. First master (alone), second
| master
| | w/slave (DVD burner).
| |
| | Unable to access 2nd hard drive.
| | Have tried:
| | Simple boot floppy with ME dos on it, and same with 98SE dos on it at
| boot
| | time.
| | DriveImage 2002 with 98SE dos on it.
| | XP w/SP2.
| | WinME window environment.
| | 98SE environment.
| | Swapping drives in trays and using the unaccessible drive by itself.
| | Swapping tray insertable locations. Jumpers adjusted accordingly.
| |
| | During floppy boot (both 98SE and ME), have observed the access LED on
| the
| | tray indicating access to that hard drive. PC locks up everytime.
| Similar
| | in XP boot, ME and 98SE when I open windows explorer to investigate My
| | Computer. WDC diagnostic tool on bootable floppy similar results.
| | ------------------------------------------------------
| |
| | For those who want more precise info the one I'm having trouble with
is
| IDE2
| | drive.
| |
| | I tried onboard ide with same result both attempting to boot with it,
| and
| | booting from floppy and CD with WD diagnostics on it.
| |
| | Using a firewire enclosure with the problem drive, XP SP2 disk manager
| | remains attempting to make contact with logical disk manager for 10
| minutes.
| | I stopped it at that point. Attempting to populate, error message
said
| that
| | the partition(s) may be of Windows 2000 nature. I don't own Windows
| 2000
| | and the drive has never seen such.
| |
| | --
| | Dave
| |
| | How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
| months
| | old?
| |
| | An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

No luck with either one of bootable system commander diskettes pair (both
bootable). Same symptoms, floppy accessed at boot time for a moment.
Floppy activity light goes out, and immediately the led indicator where the
IDE2 problem drive lights up. Stays lit forever.

Also tried a Suse 8.xxx version of linux boot diskette, getting a kernel
panic indication.

Will investigate the windows 2000 partition possibility in an XP newsgroup.
Thanks for trying.
--
Dave

How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3 months
old?

An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Wow, okay, must have missed the System Commander AND ME statement
somewhere...

From what I thought I saw, it appeared that nothing booted with the drive
in... my mistake

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
| Just a small clarification. Both identical hard drives have system
| commander (circa 2002) on them. I normally use the Ultra133 TX2 card to
| boot from either of them. With the good one (IDE1) out of the PC, I can
| boot to the system commander menu normal icons on the IDE2 drive. What
that
| means is the mbr area is normal for the drive, and, the Windows ME
partition
| where system commander is installed is accessible to some extent.
|
| The only alternative PC available to me is a P166 circa 1998. The bios
| can't ID the drive. The PC I'm using now can connected to its onboard
ide.
|
| The only thing I've not tried is the system commander boot diskettes.
I'll
| give it whirl.
|
| --
| Dave
|
| How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
months
| old?
|
| An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| Okay, have looked through both discussions. Seems you may have a
problem
| with the on disk controller chip, indicated by the inability to boot
with
| the drive in the system.
| Can you actually hear the hard drive spinning?
|
| Not saying these will work but as it is just a piece of junk right
now:
|
| Download HDAT2 and MHDD [both free/donationware], attempt to get
either
of
| these to work with the drive. These use direct controller/BIOS access.
|
| If unable to get either of these to work, try placing into a Linux
box.
|
| Note: Likely none of this will work.
|
| Sooooo, if no luck, and its still junk: turn the disk on edge and slap
| against your hand [or really lightly on the desk top]. once or twice,
both
| sides. Retry with the two tools.
|
| And finally, using an old test computer [one that IS NOT going to be
used
| for much]:
|
| Hook up the hard drive cable but DO NOT connect the power cable to the
| hard
| drive. Hard set the BIOS to the recommended settings for the drive
[can
| NOT
| be AUTO as the BIOS will not be finding the drive so translation MUST
be
| set]. Start the computer with one of the free tools or a boot floppy.
| After
| computer boot, connect the power cable to the drive. See if you can
access
| the disk
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "Lil' Dave" wrote in message
| ...
| | Here's prior post:
| | Background:
| | Promise 133 controller card, 2 WDC 80GB hard drives on removable
trays.
| | Promise bios shows identical drives. First master (alone), second
| master
| | w/slave (DVD burner).
| |
| | Unable to access 2nd hard drive.
| | Have tried:
| | Simple boot floppy with ME dos on it, and same with 98SE dos on it
at
| boot
| | time.
| | DriveImage 2002 with 98SE dos on it.
| | XP w/SP2.
| | WinME window environment.
| | 98SE environment.
| | Swapping drives in trays and using the unaccessible drive by itself.
| | Swapping tray insertable locations. Jumpers adjusted accordingly.
| |
| | During floppy boot (both 98SE and ME), have observed the access LED
on
| the
| | tray indicating access to that hard drive. PC locks up everytime.
| Similar
| | in XP boot, ME and 98SE when I open windows explorer to investigate
My
| | Computer. WDC diagnostic tool on bootable floppy similar results.
| | ------------------------------------------------------
| |
| | For those who want more precise info the one I'm having trouble with
is
| IDE2
| | drive.
| |
| | I tried onboard ide with same result both attempting to boot with
it,
| and
| | booting from floppy and CD with WD diagnostics on it.
| |
| | Using a firewire enclosure with the problem drive, XP SP2 disk
manager
| | remains attempting to make contact with logical disk manager for 10
| minutes.
| | I stopped it at that point. Attempting to populate, error message
said
| that
| | the partition(s) may be of Windows 2000 nature. I don't own Windows
| 2000
| | and the drive has never seen such.
| |
| | --
| | Dave
| |
| | How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over
3
| months
| | old?
| |
| | An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
| No luck with either one of bootable system commander diskettes pair (both
| bootable). Same symptoms, floppy accessed at boot time for a moment.
| Floppy activity light goes out, and immediately the led indicator where
the
| IDE2 problem drive lights up. Stays lit forever.
|
| Also tried a Suse 8.xxx version of linux boot diskette, getting a kernel
| panic indication.
|
| Will investigate the windows 2000 partition possibility in an XP
newsgroup.
| Thanks for trying.
| --
| Dave

Okay. If no luck, try the last suggestion [the no HD power at boot, then
connect - NOT using the main computer] to see if you can access the disk.
The boot manager issue [System Commander} brought a bit to the disco that
was missed, though you have already tested that now.

More questions or points to ponder.

Was this disk set to autobackup the first disk, and was there a
brownout/loss of power perhaps?
OR, as the disk is apparently in hot-swap trays, did you ensure the disk
was not removed during a write process?
OR, that it may have been accessed while NOT fully seated in the connector?

Did you attempt to determine IF the drive is actually spinning? [Drive
light does NOT mean the drive is actually spinning, just means it was
attempted at access.]

Is the data on this disk irreplacable?

Have you ever diagnosed resistor issues on hard drives, and do you have the
equipment to do so?

ANYWAY, let us know what the results are.


|
| How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
months
| old?
|
| An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| Wow, okay, must have missed the System Commander AND ME statement
| somewhere...
|
| From what I thought I saw, it appeared that nothing booted with the
drive
| in... my mistake
|
| --
| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| --
| _________
|
| "Lil' Dave" wrote in message
| ...
| | Just a small clarification. Both identical hard drives have system
| | commander (circa 2002) on them. I normally use the Ultra133 TX2 card
to
| | boot from either of them. With the good one (IDE1) out of the PC, I
can
| | boot to the system commander menu normal icons on the IDE2 drive.
What
| that
| | means is the mbr area is normal for the drive, and, the Windows ME
| partition
| | where system commander is installed is accessible to some extent.
| |
| | The only alternative PC available to me is a P166 circa 1998. The
bios
| | can't ID the drive. The PC I'm using now can connected to its onboard
| ide.
| |
| | The only thing I've not tried is the system commander boot diskettes.
| I'll
| | give it whirl.
| |
| | --
| | Dave
| |
| | How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
| months
| | old?
| |
| | An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
| | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | ...
| | Okay, have looked through both discussions. Seems you may have a
| problem
| | with the on disk controller chip, indicated by the inability to boot
| with
| | the drive in the system.
| | Can you actually hear the hard drive spinning?
| |
| | Not saying these will work but as it is just a piece of junk right
| now:
| |
| | Download HDAT2 and MHDD [both free/donationware], attempt to get
| either
| of
| | these to work with the drive. These use direct controller/BIOS
access.
| |
| | If unable to get either of these to work, try placing into a Linux
| box.
| |
| | Note: Likely none of this will work.
| |
| | Sooooo, if no luck, and its still junk: turn the disk on edge and
slap
| | against your hand [or really lightly on the desk top]. once or
twice,
| both
| | sides. Retry with the two tools.
| |
| | And finally, using an old test computer [one that IS NOT going to be
| used
| | for much]:
| |
| | Hook up the hard drive cable but DO NOT connect the power cable to
the
| | hard
| | drive. Hard set the BIOS to the recommended settings for the drive
| [can
| | NOT
| | be AUTO as the BIOS will not be finding the drive so translation
MUST
| be
| | set]. Start the computer with one of the free tools or a boot
floppy.
| | After
| | computer boot, connect the power cable to the drive. See if you can
| access
| | the disk
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| | --
| | _________
| |
| | "Lil' Dave" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Here's prior post:
| | | Background:
| | | Promise 133 controller card, 2 WDC 80GB hard drives on removable
| trays.
| | | Promise bios shows identical drives. First master (alone), second
| | master
| | | w/slave (DVD burner).
| | |
| | | Unable to access 2nd hard drive.
| | | Have tried:
| | | Simple boot floppy with ME dos on it, and same with 98SE dos on it
| at
| | boot
| | | time.
| | | DriveImage 2002 with 98SE dos on it.
| | | XP w/SP2.
| | | WinME window environment.
| | | 98SE environment.
| | | Swapping drives in trays and using the unaccessible drive by
itself.
| | | Swapping tray insertable locations. Jumpers adjusted accordingly.
| | |
| | | During floppy boot (both 98SE and ME), have observed the access
LED
| on
| | the
| | | tray indicating access to that hard drive. PC locks up everytime.
| | Similar
| | | in XP boot, ME and 98SE when I open windows explorer to
investigate
| My
| | | Computer. WDC diagnostic tool on bootable floppy similar results.
| | | ------------------------------------------------------
| | |
| | | For those who want more precise info the one I'm having trouble
with
| is
| | IDE2
| | | drive.
| | |
| | | I tried onboard ide with same result both attempting to boot with
| it,
| | and
| | | booting from floppy and CD with WD diagnostics on it.
| | |
| | | Using a firewire enclosure with the problem drive, XP SP2 disk
| manager
| | | remains attempting to make contact with logical disk manager for
10
| | minutes.
| | | I stopped it at that point. Attempting to populate, error message
| said
| | that
| | | the partition(s) may be of Windows 2000 nature. I don't own
Windows
| | 2000
| | | and the drive has never seen such.
| | |
| | | --
| | | Dave

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

BTW: In an *actual War*, we {America} do NOT fight for control of resources.
We supposedly fight for freedom from oppression.
IN the present {corporate} Wars, U.S. {not America - U.S. {or US} is a
separate corporate entity by LAW}] fights for resources AND for finical
enrichment [private enterprise] through economic stimulus, and direct
financial gain; such as: from PRIVATE security forces [such as what were
formerly considered as para-military or mercenary forces {think BlackWater
and others}] and re-construction enterprises {like Enron, Haliburton, etc.}

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

Basically, when both WD 80GB drives were working correctly, I booted from
the IDE0 (first 80GB) into the system commander menu. In that menu, there
is a facility for partitioning (partition commander). I simply deleted
partitions on the IDE1 drive and copy each changed data partition from IDE0
to IDE1. This is the only time that the IDE1 drive was inserted. All
worked fine using this method for well over 2 years. I bought a replacement
WD 80GB a couple of days ago online at mwave.com, its on its way via UPS
snail delivery.

The IDE0/1 drives contain ME with Quicken where I do all my financials
locally (no internet) and still do so, 98SE with NERO 5.5 that copies
commercial DVDs (no internet), and older installation of XP w/Office 2K.
IDE0 drive is still intact and completely functional. My onboard SATA
drives have ME only for system commander functionality, 2 installs of XP.
One with Office 2003 that I currently use. The second SATA is a copy of the
first. I keep images of all those partitions on 2 firewire drives, and
locally on the SATA logical partitions.

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Dave

How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3 months
old?

An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
...
| No luck with either one of bootable system commander diskettes pair
(both
| bootable). Same symptoms, floppy accessed at boot time for a moment.
| Floppy activity light goes out, and immediately the led indicator where
the
| IDE2 problem drive lights up. Stays lit forever.
|
| Also tried a Suse 8.xxx version of linux boot diskette, getting a kernel
| panic indication.
|
| Will investigate the windows 2000 partition possibility in an XP
newsgroup.
| Thanks for trying.
| --
| Dave

Okay. If no luck, try the last suggestion [the no HD power at boot, then
connect - NOT using the main computer] to see if you can access the disk.
The boot manager issue [System Commander} brought a bit to the disco that
was missed, though you have already tested that now.

More questions or points to ponder.

Was this disk set to autobackup the first disk, and was there a
brownout/loss of power perhaps?
OR, as the disk is apparently in hot-swap trays, did you ensure the disk
was not removed during a write process?
OR, that it may have been accessed while NOT fully seated in the
connector?

Did you attempt to determine IF the drive is actually spinning? [Drive
light does NOT mean the drive is actually spinning, just means it was
attempted at access.]

Is the data on this disk irreplacable?

Have you ever diagnosed resistor issues on hard drives, and do you have
the
equipment to do so?

ANYWAY, let us know what the results are.


|
| How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over 3
months
| old?
|
| An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| Wow, okay, must have missed the System Commander AND ME statement
| somewhere...
|
| From what I thought I saw, it appeared that nothing booted with the
drive
| in... my mistake
|
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| MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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|
| "Lil' Dave" wrote in message
| ...
| | Just a small clarification. Both identical hard drives have system
| | commander (circa 2002) on them. I normally use the Ultra133 TX2
card
to
| | boot from either of them. With the good one (IDE1) out of the PC, I
can
| | boot to the system commander menu normal icons on the IDE2 drive.
What
| that
| | means is the mbr area is normal for the drive, and, the Windows ME
| partition
| | where system commander is installed is accessible to some extent.
| |
| | The only alternative PC available to me is a P166 circa 1998. The
bios
| | can't ID the drive. The PC I'm using now can connected to its
onboard
| ide.
| |
| | The only thing I've not tried is the system commander boot
diskettes.
| I'll
| | give it whirl.
| |
| | --
| | Dave
| |
| | How about a tax to support any military conflict/police action over
3
| months
| | old?
| |
| | An actual war, we can do what's been done in the past.
| | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | ...
| | Okay, have looked through both discussions. Seems you may have a
| problem
| | with the on disk controller chip, indicated by the inability to
boot
| with
| | the drive in the system.
| | Can you actually hear the hard drive spinning?
| |
| | Not saying these will work but as it is just a piece of junk right
| now:
| |
| | Download HDAT2 and MHDD [both free/donationware], attempt to get
| either
| of
| | these to work with the drive. These use direct controller/BIOS
access.
| |
| | If unable to get either of these to work, try placing into a Linux
| box.
| |
| | Note: Likely none of this will work.
| |
| | Sooooo, if no luck, and its still junk: turn the disk on edge and
slap
| | against your hand [or really lightly on the desk top]. once or
twice,
| both
| | sides. Retry with the two tools.
| |
| | And finally, using an old test computer [one that IS NOT going to
be
| used
| | for much]:
| |
| | Hook up the hard drive cable but DO NOT connect the power cable to
the
| | hard
| | drive. Hard set the BIOS to the recommended settings for the drive
| [can
| | NOT
| | be AUTO as the BIOS will not be finding the drive so translation
MUST
| be
| | set]. Start the computer with one of the free tools or a boot
floppy.
| | After
| | computer boot, connect the power cable to the drive. See if you
can
| access
| | the disk
| |
| | --
| | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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| |
| | "Lil' Dave" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Here's prior post:
| | | Background:
| | | Promise 133 controller card, 2 WDC 80GB hard drives on removable
| trays.
| | | Promise bios shows identical drives. First master (alone),
second
| | master
| | | w/slave (DVD burner).
| | |
| | | Unable to access 2nd hard drive.
| | | Have tried:
| | | Simple boot floppy with ME dos on it, and same with 98SE dos on
it
| at
| | boot
| | | time.
| | | DriveImage 2002 with 98SE dos on it.
| | | XP w/SP2.
| | | WinME window environment.
| | | 98SE environment.
| | | Swapping drives in trays and using the unaccessible drive by
itself.
| | | Swapping tray insertable locations. Jumpers adjusted
accordingly.
| | |
| | | During floppy boot (both 98SE and ME), have observed the access
LED
| on
| | the
| | | tray indicating access to that hard drive. PC locks up
everytime.
| | Similar
| | | in XP boot, ME and 98SE when I open windows explorer to
investigate
| My
| | | Computer. WDC diagnostic tool on bootable floppy similar
results.
| | | ------------------------------------------------------
| | |
| | | For those who want more precise info the one I'm having trouble
with
| is
| | IDE2
| | | drive.
| | |
| | | I tried onboard ide with same result both attempting to boot
with
| it,
| | and
| | | booting from floppy and CD with WD diagnostics on it.
| | |
| | | Using a firewire enclosure with the problem drive, XP SP2 disk
| manager
| | | remains attempting to make contact with logical disk manager for
10
| | minutes.
| | | I stopped it at that point. Attempting to populate, error
message
| said
| | that
| | | the partition(s) may be of Windows 2000 nature. I don't own
Windows
| | 2000
| | | and the drive has never seen such.
| | |
| | | --
| | | Dave

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