cab files with 98se

"98 Guy" "98"@Guy . com wrote in message
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

Do you know what your chipset (northbridge, southbridge) is?

The drivers for that are from ATI

Far too many possibilities still in what you might have. Unless you can
give some sort of ID or make/model of the motherboard, my best guess is
that there are not going to be any win-98 drivers for the chipset.

I run a W3503 Too!

http://www.cnet.com/products/emachines-w3503/specs/

I have several PCI slots. But I don't have a video PCI card to
plug into a bus. The monitor I have screws into a serial type
slot. If that helps.

4. PCI Express x16 Slot
http://www.buildcomputers.net/images...components.jpg


A "serial type" slot.
You mean a VGA connector?

Like this:

http://www.buildcomputers.net/images/vga-port.jpg

Yes and it is a vga-port
ATI Radeon Xpress 200

Hot-Text wrote:

I run a W3503 Too!

Given their specs, they look like a piece-of-****.

http://www.cnet.com/products/emachines-w3503/specs/

ATI Radeon Xpress 200

This might be the best shot as far as win-98 drivers go for that POS
system:

http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/cont...l25atividx.exe

But I know this is going nowhere with Bill.

He's been trying to install win-98 on this crap piece of **** eMachine
since he posted "using an old OS on XP" in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general back on August 17.

Bill, you're just not ready for this Personal Computer / Windows thing.

I suggest you by a Mac, or maybe an iPod. I think you'll be able to
handle that.

"98 Guy" "98"@Guy . com wrote in message
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Hot-Text wrote:

I run a W3503 Too!

Given their specs, they look like a piece-of-****.

http://www.cnet.com/products/emachines-w3503/specs/

ATI Radeon Xpress 200

This might be the best shot as far as win-98 drivers go for that POS
system:

http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/cont...l25atividx.exe

But I know this is going nowhere with Bill.

He's been trying to install win-98 on this crap piece of **** eMachine
since he posted "using an old OS on XP" in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general back on August 17.

Bill, you're just not ready for this Personal Computer / Windows thing.

I suggest you by a Mac, or maybe an iPod. I think you'll be able to
handle that.

I've run 98 in it before. It's been a while and a lot longer ago than
the date you mentioned. Of course I lost data. I had to run dos first. And
didn't backup. The VM is probably the best way to go.

"Hot-Text" wrote in message
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Like this:

http://www.buildcomputers.net/images/vga-port.jpg

Yes and it is a vga-port
ATI Radeon Xpress 200

You got it. Exactly like that.

Bill

"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
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"98 Guy" "98"@Guy . com wrote in message
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Hot-Text wrote:

I run a W3503 Too!

Given their specs, they look like a piece-of-****.

http://www.cnet.com/products/emachines-w3503/specs/

THat's it. That's my machine. I don't run the MCE XP which was a 32 bit
OS anymore. The CDs are scratched. I run 64bit xp professional. And I have
all those slots for SD cards MMC and so on.

Bill

Bill Cunningham wrote:

I've run 98 in it before.

I don't consider that you (or anyone else) is running Windows 98 unless
you have the chipset and video drivers for the motherboard in question.

Because running Win-98 in VGA 640x480 mode, accessing the hard drive in
DOS compatibility mode is lame and utterly worthless.

So because I don't see any win-98 ATI/AMD chipset drivers for your POS
eMachine, you don't meet my standard of actually running win-98 on that
system.

That's my machine. I don't run the MCE XP which was a 32 bit
OS anymore. The CDs are scratched. I run 64bit xp professional.

What do you think you're accomplishing by running 64-bit XP-pro?

You're making a big deal about running a 64-bit version of XP vs a
32-bit version. What use are you making with that additional
capability?

It's been a while and a lot longer ago than the date you mentioned.

The first availability of any CPU calling itself an Athlon 64 3500+ was
June 2004. The last was February 2007.

So assuming that your computer was purchased with an Athlon 64 3500+
(and not some other CPU), the vintage of your emachine lies within the
above dates. And since you seem to know that you have DDR ram (god
knows how you know that, since you didn't know what a VGA connector is
called) then your system was almost certainly sold as new during the
second half of 2004 until probably the summer of 2005.

The VM is probably the best way to go.

Running win98 in a VM is lame. There is no point in doing that.

Running Windows 98 in a virtual machine is like sitting in a car that's
being transported by big truck.

Here's a pictu

http://tinyurl.com/n6jl5o4

Now imagine that you're sitting in that race car. Wouldn't you rather
be driving the car around the track, instead of the truck carrying the
car around as you sit and watch the scenery like a passenger?

What kind of system do you run. Win98 drivers are quite probably hard to
find. The OS can't handle modern computers anyway from the kernel to
applications. Changing addresses can't help everything.

For example. I have "general purpose" registers that can be used as AX
or AL or AH. which would be the same bacially accumulator register that
win98 would access. RAX can be usesd for 16 or 8 bit programs. But with
today's ram. Kernel memory management was never designed for today's ram.

I don't see how drivers even performing some address translation and
relocation could change that.

Bill

Bill Cunningham wrote:

What kind of system do you run.

I have several different win-98 systems.

They break down into 2 basic types, based on the motherboard and
chipset.

The first type is based on Intel 845 / 865 / 875 chipsets. I have about
a dozen of these motherboards (some based on 845, some 865 and some are
875). These all use the Socket-478 version of Intel Celeron or Pentium
CPU's, with speeds up to about 3 ghz.

What I am typing this on is a system with a Soyo 845-based motherboard,
Intel Pentium 4 2.5 ghz, 2 gb DDR ram, Nvidia 6200 AGP-4x video card
with 256 mb ram, 80 gb IDE hard drive. I have an add-on PCI card with
SATA controller, and connected to that I have a 750gb and 1.5 tb hard
drive. These drives are formatted as FAT32, and Win-98 has complete and
full access to them.

So this represents technology from the mid-2002 through late-2004 time
frame. All aspects of these motherboards (chipset, USB, Video, sound,
ethernet) have 32-bit Windows-98 drivers.

My other systems are based on Via PT 880 chipsets on socket 775
motherboards. These boards support the Core2 line of intel CPU's, and
represent technology from the mid-2005 through late-2006 time frame.
These boards have integrated SATA and IDE controllers, have DDR-2 ram,
operate with 1066 mhz FSB, integrated gigabit ethernet, and AGP-8x
slots. An example of a CPU I use on these boards is Intel Pentium E6700
@ 3.20GHz.

All aspects of those motherboards (except for on-board audio) have
Windows-98 drivers. For audio on these systems, I use PCI soundblaster
cards because there are no win-98 drivers for their on-board
high-definition (8 channel) audio chips.

Win98 drivers are quite probably hard to find.

Thats why I've acquired a broad assortment of motherboards (and video
cards) that have available drivers for win-98.

The OS can't handle modern computers anyway from the kernel to
applications.

You have a strange understanding of the situation.

Any OS can handle any hardware or device - so long as there are drivers
for the hardware in question. Since Microshaft is in control of which
OS's they choose to sell, and which ones they choose to stop selling,
hardware makers have no choice but to keep developing drivers for
what-ever version of Windows is being sold.

All 32-bit versions of windows have a lot in common when it comes to the
Win32 API - and that includes win-9x/ME.

For example, I have flash version 11.6 installed and working just fine.
This version of flash was released in February 2013! For Windows 98,
that's cutting edge technology! And I probably could install a newer
version if I went out and got the flash DLL and dropped it in.

I also have VLC player (2.0.8) which is July 2013.

So as you can see, I can run some pretty new software under windows 98 -
with the help of something called KernelEx.

For example. I have "general purpose" registers that can be used
as AX or AL or AH. which would be the same bacially accumulator
register that win98 would access. RAX can be usesd for 16 or 8 bit
programs. But with today's ram. Kernel memory management was never
designed for today's ram.

Windows 98 is a 32-bit operating system. It can run some of the same
versions of some software as win-2k and XP can. I've given you two such
examples (Adobe Flash Player and VLC media player).

And by the way, I'm running windows 98 with 2 gb of ram - all of it
accessible and available to the OS.

Here - look for yourself:

http://s28.postimg.org/7igi5rdwt/Win98.gif

I don't see how drivers even performing some address translation and
relocation could change that.

What exactly have you been reading?

"98 Guy" "98"@Guy . com wrote in message
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What exactly have you been reading?

Many things. Here's something to look at. And I'm not sure that because
in the pic you showed me that all the memory was "recognized" and displayed,
that it can me accessed and mapped. I don't know.

http://www.tldp.org/LDP/khg/HyperNew...addrxlate.html

Bill Cunningham wrote:

What exactly have you been reading?

Many things. Here's something to look at.

http://www.tldp.org/LDP/khg/HyperNew...addrxlate.html

An article written in 1996 about some aspects of how memory and I/O
addressing is performed on the IBM/Motorola based PowerPC.

You might want to read this for background:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_Reference_Platform

I don't know why you're connecting an article written in 1996 about the
PowerPC with the availability of drivers and the general operability of
win-98 on "modern" (post 2002? post 2006?) hardware.

If you want to run win-98 on system where all drivers are available,
you'll have to pick up a motherboard, CPU, CPU cooler, RAM and video
card from ebay, and then buy an ATX case, power supply, and SATA hard
drive(s) at retail from any vendor you choose, and put them all together
with a phillips (cross) screwdriver. I can point you to specific
motherboards and video cards that meet this criteria and are being sold
on ebay right now if you want.

For under $200 you'd have a motherboard, cpu, ram, and video card.
Another $200 should buy you a case/power supply and hard drive.

If you have a local retailer that sells used (off-lease) IBM / Lenovo
thinkcenter workstations, or someone is selling one on your local kijiji
for $100 or less, then that could also be a win-98 solution for you.
Look for Thinkcenter A50, M50 or S50 models. Particularly the S50.
There are complete Win-98 drivers available for those. People have been
practically throwing those PC's in the garbage/recycling (or giving them
away) for the past 5 years.

I'm not sure about win-98 driver availability for other Thinkcenter
models (such as A52/55/57/60 and M52/55/57/60 and E50). All of those
models will (I think) be branded as Lenovo.