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Minor announcement.... ;)
From some of the reading I've done Windows 7 will not ship with an email
client and if you go to download it will be the live series which is Windows Live Mail. Why don't you like it Shane is it anything in particular or what ? -- Joan Archer http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher http://lachsoft.com/photogallery "Shane" wrote in message ... I'm sorry. You're talking to me? When anyone with a funny name and the same source as me comes to this group, people figure it must be me! Anyway, catch you later. I just have to reinstall 2K8 to get the Windows Mail components to copy over the W7 ones to get Windows Mail back! I really should have backed them up! That's messing about with RAID for you! ! I wonder if the fact you can get Windows Mail working in W7 (the files are there, they just don't do any more than import OE settings) this way implies that it'll be an optional download - say, a *feature* - in the RTM. Only, seeing as how MS removed Windows Sidebar from 2K8 - though you can get it back easily enough by copying the files across etc (I use the ones from 2K8 b3) - maybe they *are* trying to kill Windows Mail. Me, I despise Windows Live Mail! I think I prefer Thunderbird (which I have always considered inferior to OE/Winmail). Also, one wonders whether the failure of Gadgets to run with UAC turned off is a stick to get donkeys to turn it back on. But, it is a beta, even if it is unusually usable! As the bowing to common sense on the UAC issue has just demonstrated. You been somewhere then, Noel? Shane snip |
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Minor announcement.... ;)
AFAICS when you have half a dozen or more email accounts - plus one or two
newsgroup accounts - there isn't room to see them all in the folders pane (even in 1440x900!). Then, if you Sync All (I forget the new labels for the identical processes), it only shows you the new *email* account messages - you have to select a *newsgroups* category to see what's new in those, and then if you sync everything from *there*, to see if you've got any new *email* you have to navigate back to the *email* area. Wasn't the Live stuff born in the Vista period, where you have to click two or three times where you used to only click once? And wasn't *that* a James Bond film? You can't toggle the Preview Pane on and off, you have to show it both below then beside the message before it's off again - so three clicks where it used to be two. And if the more straightforward ways of doing these tasks are still available, clearly they are too well hidden - and seeing as how I *have* found the hidden control for the menu bar, one might almost call them Super Hidden. Or Super Duper Hidden, perhaps. And so one must ask 'why?' From the cosmetic pov, the contents of the left pane are too muddled, and too indistinct and approaching as annoying to me as needless typing in caps is to pretty much all of us. The button for changing the colour makes insignificant difference, but presumably that will be improved by the time W7 goes RTM (I don't know if Live Mail is the same in earlier OSes as previously I've only used it online - and then only for about as long as it took to formulate the intention of 'never again!' - and so assume that is a W7 issue rather than a Live Mail one). I think you and I agree on much, Joan, but definately not on Vista or Live Mail. To me it looks like - as I may possibly have said ad nauseum over the years - MS trying to produce software to the lowest common denominator, because there are far more sheep than shepherds in the world and they'd rather sell one more license (almost typed one more *copy* - LOL!) to a computer illiterate than the less numerous type with an opinion based on experience. I recognise that if you, Joan, like it then it must be a matter of taste, and - like Mike - I find issue with the lack of choice. I don't want it to be made only the way *I* like it, I want choice, for you, me, Mike, Harry, those who haven't worked out or discovered yet that Communities is not the only way to access the Microsoft Newsgroups, and those with no interest in said groups. You know - *Democracy*. Meanwhile I see that Okehampton had 21 inches! Presumably if I was still in Crediton, about 20 miles away as I recall from the impression I got riding between the two, getting down the hill to the High St. would be a right blast today! Got some pretty good pics from around here anyway. Rosie woke me at 03.30 so I went out and looked at the thermometer, and it read minus 10. Shane Joan Archer wrote: From some of the reading I've done Windows 7 will not ship with an email client and if you go to download it will be the live series which is Windows Live Mail. Why don't you like it Shane is it anything in particular or what ? "Shane" wrote in message ... I'm sorry. You're talking to me? When anyone with a funny name and the same source as me comes to this group, people figure it must be me! Anyway, catch you later. I just have to reinstall 2K8 to get the Windows Mail components to copy over the W7 ones to get Windows Mail back! I really should have backed them up! That's messing about with RAID for you! ! I wonder if the fact you can get Windows Mail working in W7 (the files are there, they just don't do any more than import OE settings) this way implies that it'll be an optional download - say, a *feature* - in the RTM. Only, seeing as how MS removed Windows Sidebar from 2K8 - though you can get it back easily enough by copying the files across etc (I use the ones from 2K8 b3) - maybe they *are* trying to kill Windows Mail. Me, I despise Windows Live Mail! I think I prefer Thunderbird (which I have always considered inferior to OE/Winmail). Also, one wonders whether the failure of Gadgets to run with UAC turned off is a stick to get donkeys to turn it back on. But, it is a beta, even if it is unusually usable! As the bowing to common sense on the UAC issue has just demonstrated. You been somewhere then, Noel? Shane snip |
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Minor announcement.... ;)
Yes when you lay it out like that I can see your point. I found it annoying
having to click more times to turn the preview pane off and yes it is another annoyance when it comes to going from NGs to Mail when synching but if I'm in the NGs I can still tell what email I have to come in as I have Mailwasher and that blinks at me in the notification area when new mail is in and just doing a double click on that lets me see what there is and if it's not important it can wait until I've finished with my NGs or RSS Feeds whichever I happen to be reading at the time. g I see your point about the folder pane, I have the same resolution as you, have 5 NG groups and 4 email accounts there and the Storage Folder, but I suppose it works for me the way I use it. I suppose it's the same as everything what suits one doesn't suit another g Joan -- Joan Archer http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher http://lachsoft.com/photogallery "Pogle S. Wood" wrote in message ... AFAICS when you have half a dozen or more email accounts - plus one or two newsgroup accounts - there isn't room to see them all in the folders pane (even in 1440x900!). Then, if you Sync All (I forget the new labels for the identical processes), it only shows you the new *email* account messages - you have to select a *newsgroups* category to see what's new in those, and then if you sync everything from *there*, to see if you've got any new *email* you have to navigate back to the *email* area. Wasn't the Live stuff born in the Vista period, where you have to click two or three times where you used to only click once? And wasn't *that* a James Bond film? You can't toggle the Preview Pane on and off, you have to show it both below then beside the message before it's off again - so three clicks where it used to be two. And if the more straightforward ways of doing these tasks are still available, clearly they are too well hidden - and seeing as how I *have* found the hidden control for the menu bar, one might almost call them Super Hidden. Or Super Duper Hidden, perhaps. And so one must ask 'why?' From the cosmetic pov, the contents of the left pane are too muddled, and too indistinct and approaching as annoying to me as needless typing in caps is to pretty much all of us. The button for changing the colour makes insignificant difference, but presumably that will be improved by the time W7 goes RTM (I don't know if Live Mail is the same in earlier OSes as previously I've only used it online - and then only for about as long as it took to formulate the intention of 'never again!' - and so assume that is a W7 issue rather than a Live Mail one). I think you and I agree on much, Joan, but definately not on Vista or Live Mail. To me it looks like - as I may possibly have said ad nauseum over the years - MS trying to produce software to the lowest common denominator, because there are far more sheep than shepherds in the world and they'd rather sell one more license (almost typed one more *copy* - LOL!) to a computer illiterate than the less numerous type with an opinion based on experience. I recognise that if you, Joan, like it then it must be a matter of taste, and - like Mike - I find issue with the lack of choice. I don't want it to be made only the way *I* like it, I want choice, for you, me, Mike, Harry, those who haven't worked out or discovered yet that Communities is not the only way to access the Microsoft Newsgroups, and those with no interest in said groups. You know - *Democracy*. Meanwhile I see that Okehampton had 21 inches! Presumably if I was still in Crediton, about 20 miles away as I recall from the impression I got riding between the two, getting down the hill to the High St. would be a right blast today! Got some pretty good pics from around here anyway. Rosie woke me at 03.30 so I went out and looked at the thermometer, and it read minus 10. Shane Joan Archer wrote: From some of the reading I've done Windows 7 will not ship with an email client and if you go to download it will be the live series which is Windows Live Mail. Why don't you like it Shane is it anything in particular or what ? "Shane" wrote in message ... I'm sorry. You're talking to me? When anyone with a funny name and the same source as me comes to this group, people figure it must be me! Anyway, catch you later. I just have to reinstall 2K8 to get the Windows Mail components to copy over the W7 ones to get Windows Mail back! I really should have backed them up! That's messing about with RAID for you! ! I wonder if the fact you can get Windows Mail working in W7 (the files are there, they just don't do any more than import OE settings) this way implies that it'll be an optional download - say, a *feature* - in the RTM. Only, seeing as how MS removed Windows Sidebar from 2K8 - though you can get it back easily enough by copying the files across etc (I use the ones from 2K8 b3) - maybe they *are* trying to kill Windows Mail. Me, I despise Windows Live Mail! I think I prefer Thunderbird (which I have always considered inferior to OE/Winmail). Also, one wonders whether the failure of Gadgets to run with UAC turned off is a stick to get donkeys to turn it back on. But, it is a beta, even if it is unusually usable! As the bowing to common sense on the UAC issue has just demonstrated. You been somewhere then, Noel? Shane snip |
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Minor announcement.... ;)
I can't see you in a suit, somehow, Joan!
gd&r -- Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006) (CrashFixPC) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Joan Archer" wrote in message ... Yes when you lay it out like that I can see your point. I found it annoying having to click more times to turn the preview pane off and yes it is another annoyance when it comes to going from NGs to Mail when synching but if I'm in the NGs I can still tell what email I have to come in as I have Mailwasher and that blinks at me in the notification area when new mail is in and just doing a double click on that lets me see what there is and if it's not important it can wait until I've finished with my NGs or RSS Feeds whichever I happen to be reading at the time. g I see your point about the folder pane, I have the same resolution as you, have 5 NG groups and 4 email accounts there and the Storage Folder, but I suppose it works for me the way I use it. I suppose it's the same as everything what suits one doesn't suit another g Joan -- Joan Archer http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher http://lachsoft.com/photogallery "Pogle S. Wood" wrote in message ... AFAICS when you have half a dozen or more email accounts - plus one or two newsgroup accounts - there isn't room to see them all in the folders pane (even in 1440x900!). Then, if you Sync All (I forget the new labels for the identical processes), it only shows you the new *email* account messages - you have to select a *newsgroups* category to see what's new in those, and then if you sync everything from *there*, to see if you've got any new *email* you have to navigate back to the *email* area. Wasn't the Live stuff born in the Vista period, where you have to click two or three times where you used to only click once? And wasn't *that* a James Bond film? You can't toggle the Preview Pane on and off, you have to show it both below then beside the message before it's off again - so three clicks where it used to be two. And if the more straightforward ways of doing these tasks are still available, clearly they are too well hidden - and seeing as how I *have* found the hidden control for the menu bar, one might almost call them Super Hidden. Or Super Duper Hidden, perhaps. And so one must ask 'why?' From the cosmetic pov, the contents of the left pane are too muddled, and too indistinct and approaching as annoying to me as needless typing in caps is to pretty much all of us. The button for changing the colour makes insignificant difference, but presumably that will be improved by the time W7 goes RTM (I don't know if Live Mail is the same in earlier OSes as previously I've only used it online - and then only for about as long as it took to formulate the intention of 'never again!' - and so assume that is a W7 issue rather than a Live Mail one). I think you and I agree on much, Joan, but definately not on Vista or Live Mail. To me it looks like - as I may possibly have said ad nauseum over the years - MS trying to produce software to the lowest common denominator, because there are far more sheep than shepherds in the world and they'd rather sell one more license (almost typed one more *copy* - LOL!) to a computer illiterate than the less numerous type with an opinion based on experience. I recognise that if you, Joan, like it then it must be a matter of taste, and - like Mike - I find issue with the lack of choice. I don't want it to be made only the way *I* like it, I want choice, for you, me, Mike, Harry, those who haven't worked out or discovered yet that Communities is not the only way to access the Microsoft Newsgroups, and those with no interest in said groups. You know - *Democracy*. Meanwhile I see that Okehampton had 21 inches! Presumably if I was still in Crediton, about 20 miles away as I recall from the impression I got riding between the two, getting down the hill to the High St. would be a right blast today! Got some pretty good pics from around here anyway. Rosie woke me at 03.30 so I went out and looked at the thermometer, and it read minus 10. Shane Joan Archer wrote: From some of the reading I've done Windows 7 will not ship with an email client and if you go to download it will be the live series which is Windows Live Mail. Why don't you like it Shane is it anything in particular or what ? "Shane" wrote in message ... I'm sorry. You're talking to me? When anyone with a funny name and the same source as me comes to this group, people figure it must be me! Anyway, catch you later. I just have to reinstall 2K8 to get the Windows Mail components to copy over the W7 ones to get Windows Mail back! I really should have backed them up! That's messing about with RAID for you! ! I wonder if the fact you can get Windows Mail working in W7 (the files are there, they just don't do any more than import OE settings) this way implies that it'll be an optional download - say, a *feature* - in the RTM. Only, seeing as how MS removed Windows Sidebar from 2K8 - though you can get it back easily enough by copying the files across etc (I use the ones from 2K8 b3) - maybe they *are* trying to kill Windows Mail. Me, I despise Windows Live Mail! I think I prefer Thunderbird (which I have always considered inferior to OE/Winmail). Also, one wonders whether the failure of Gadgets to run with UAC turned off is a stick to get donkeys to turn it back on. But, it is a beta, even if it is unusually usable! As the bowing to common sense on the UAC issue has just demonstrated. You been somewhere then, Noel? Shane snip |
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Minor announcement.... ;)
Groan!! He really IS back........lol.
Heather "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... I can't see you in a suit, somehow, Joan! gd&r -- Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006) (CrashFixPC) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Joan Archer" wrote in message ... Yes when you lay it out like that I can see your point. I found it annoying having to click more times to turn the preview pane off and yes it is another annoyance when it comes to going from NGs to Mail when synching but if I'm in the NGs I can still tell what email I have to come in as I have Mailwasher and that blinks at me in the notification area when new mail is in and just doing a double click on that lets me see what there is and if it's not important it can wait until I've finished with my NGs or RSS Feeds whichever I happen to be reading at the time. g I see your point about the folder pane, I have the same resolution as you, have 5 NG groups and 4 email accounts there and the Storage Folder, but I suppose it works for me the way I use it. I suppose it's the same as everything what suits one doesn't suit another g Joan -- Joan Archer http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher http://lachsoft.com/photogallery "Pogle S. Wood" wrote in message ... AFAICS when you have half a dozen or more email accounts - plus one or two newsgroup accounts - there isn't room to see them all in the folders pane (even in 1440x900!). Then, if you Sync All (I forget the new labels for the identical processes), it only shows you the new *email* account messages - you have to select a *newsgroups* category to see what's new in those, and then if you sync everything from *there*, to see if you've got any new *email* you have to navigate back to the *email* area. Wasn't the Live stuff born in the Vista period, where you have to click two or three times where you used to only click once? And wasn't *that* a James Bond film? You can't toggle the Preview Pane on and off, you have to show it both below then beside the message before it's off again - so three clicks where it used to be two. And if the more straightforward ways of doing these tasks are still available, clearly they are too well hidden - and seeing as how I *have* found the hidden control for the menu bar, one might almost call them Super Hidden. Or Super Duper Hidden, perhaps. And so one must ask 'why?' From the cosmetic pov, the contents of the left pane are too muddled, and too indistinct and approaching as annoying to me as needless typing in caps is to pretty much all of us. The button for changing the colour makes insignificant difference, but presumably that will be improved by the time W7 goes RTM (I don't know if Live Mail is the same in earlier OSes as previously I've only used it online - and then only for about as long as it took to formulate the intention of 'never again!' - and so assume that is a W7 issue rather than a Live Mail one). I think you and I agree on much, Joan, but definately not on Vista or Live Mail. To me it looks like - as I may possibly have said ad nauseum over the years - MS trying to produce software to the lowest common denominator, because there are far more sheep than shepherds in the world and they'd rather sell one more license (almost typed one more *copy* - LOL!) to a computer illiterate than the less numerous type with an opinion based on experience. I recognise that if you, Joan, like it then it must be a matter of taste, and - like Mike - I find issue with the lack of choice. I don't want it to be made only the way *I* like it, I want choice, for you, me, Mike, Harry, those who haven't worked out or discovered yet that Communities is not the only way to access the Microsoft Newsgroups, and those with no interest in said groups. You know - *Democracy*. Meanwhile I see that Okehampton had 21 inches! Presumably if I was still in Crediton, about 20 miles away as I recall from the impression I got riding between the two, getting down the hill to the High St. would be a right blast today! Got some pretty good pics from around here anyway. Rosie woke me at 03.30 so I went out and looked at the thermometer, and it read minus 10. Shane Joan Archer wrote: From some of the reading I've done Windows 7 will not ship with an email client and if you go to download it will be the live series which is Windows Live Mail. Why don't you like it Shane is it anything in particular or what ? "Shane" wrote in message ... I'm sorry. You're talking to me? When anyone with a funny name and the same source as me comes to this group, people figure it must be me! Anyway, catch you later. I just have to reinstall 2K8 to get the Windows Mail components to copy over the W7 ones to get Windows back! I really should have backed them up! That's messing about with RAID for you! ! I wonder if the fact you can get Windows Mail working in W7 (the files are there, they just don't do any more than import OE settings) this way implies that it'll be an optional download - say, a *feature* - in the RTM. Only, seeing as how MS removed Windows Sidebar from 2K8 - though you can get it back easily enough by copying the files across etc (I use the ones from 2K8 b3) - maybe they *are* trying to kill Windows Mail. Me, I despise Windows Live Mail! I think I prefer Thunderbird (which I have always considered inferior to OE/Winmail). Also, one wonders whether the failure of Gadgets to run with UAC turned off is a stick to get donkeys to turn it back on. But, it is a beta, even if it is unusually usable! As the bowing to common sense on the UAC issue has just demonstrated. You been somewhere then, Noel? Shane snip |
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Minor announcement.... ;)
Hey - I didn't mention anything about a BIRTHDAY suit??????
-- Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006) (CrashFixPC) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Heather" wrote in message ... Groan!! He really IS back........lol. Heather "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... I can't see you in a suit, somehow, Joan! gd&r -- Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006) (CrashFixPC) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi |
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Minor announcement.... ;)
So, Noel, are you saying you *can* see Joan in her brthday suit, or that you
have? Pogle S. Arturo "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Hey - I didn't mention anything about a BIRTHDAY suit?????? -- Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006) (CrashFixPC) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Heather" wrote in message ... Groan!! He really IS back........lol. Heather "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... I can't see you in a suit, somehow, Joan! gd&r -- Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006) (CrashFixPC) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi |
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Minor announcement.... ;)
....I'm a gentleman.....
-- Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006) (CrashFixPC) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Shane" wrote in message ... So, Noel, are you saying you *can* see Joan in her brthday suit, or that you have? Pogle S. Arturo |
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Minor announcement.... ;)
.......My, how you've changed......
(snicker) "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... ...I'm a gentleman..... -- Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006) (CrashFixPC) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Shane" wrote in message ... So, Noel, are you saying you *can* see Joan in her brthday suit, or that you have? Pogle S. Arturo |
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Minor announcement.... ;)
Excuse me! What's this going on in my absence, don't forget some things are
best kept private vbg Joan -- Joan Archer http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher http://lachsoft.com/photogallery "Shane" wrote in message ... So, Noel, are you saying you *can* see Joan in her brthday suit, or that you have? Pogle S. Arturo "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Hey - I didn't mention anything about a BIRTHDAY suit?????? -- Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006) (CrashFixPC) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Heather" wrote in message ... Groan!! He really IS back........lol. Heather "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... I can't see you in a suit, somehow, Joan! gd&r -- Noel Paton (MVP 2002-2006) (CrashFixPC) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi |
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