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Shane wrote:
If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup files and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious minutes from the new install. Thanks, Shane, I will save it for when I need it. You're welcome. Bear in mind, though, the time-saving of the above is only really in special situations and probably not worth doing solely for that reason. otoh, and the NVidia drivers are a case in point, if you had - as many do - deleted the installation file, retaining C:\Nvidia would save downloading it again. That would be a pretty big deal for someone on dial-up, though I suspect most are now on BB (not that I know it for certain). Otherwise, the way to do the deletion is to make another batch file - from DOS - to list the files and/or folders, then remove or comment out from the list, or zip and later unzip, what you want to keep. Start Smartdrv and run the batch to do the deleting. List the contents of Windows and you can delete the majority of those (while retaining C:\Windows\Command, it's contents and other files DOS needs to continue *after* deleting, in case you decide you need to. It's a pain in the butt to delete the entire windows folder then find, despite the fact the DOS tools already in memory still run, those that aren't no longer can be!). Do you post to the corresponding W98 ng? No. I have done briefly because others have crossposted, so my name may have been seen there, but I don't think I ever have specifically posted to any 98 group. Quite surprisinf when I come to think of it! Shane In 2 weeks, I will have a situation on my P166, maybe you have a comment, based on above. My master hard drive with my W98SE OS, will get moved to a new computer being built for me, to run W98SE. Retained in this computer is the present slave drive, will be later the only one. I want to continue to run W98SE on the existing computer, with the present slave drive. With the master gone, do I have to then do a new install on the present slave after the transfer, or is there any way of copying the OS before the hardware transfer? Thanks MS |
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Answers in line, excuse the lapsing into pseudo legalese:
My master hard drive with my W98SE OS, will get moved to a new computer being Bear in mind you'd be transferring an installation with drivers for the (very) old hardware and it almost certainly wouldn't boot, or if by some miracle if it did, run for long without BSODs, on the new hardware. Or are you going to re-install 98SE on this drive once in the new machine? built for me, to run W98SE. Retained in this computer is the present slave drive, will be later the only one. I want to continue to run W98SE on the existing computer, with the present slave drive. Okay, what you seem to be asking - unintentionally perhaps - is whether you can run the same installation (one derived originally from the same cd, I guess) on two computers simultaneously. According to the license (the accepting of the EULA before installation completes) to run any legal version of Windows, you are expressly forbidden to do so. One would not go so far as to say it is *illegal* to act thus contrary to the EULA - I do not know the situation pertaining when a third-party obtains a machine on which is installed the copy of Windows in question, from the original licensee/owner who has not informed the new licensee/owner of the existence of said EULA, but I can only imagine that, insofar as anyone is considered responsible in that situation it would be the original licensee/owner and the new one is free to do what the hell he or she wants. Anyhow, the point is that, as this is a *Microsoft-sponsored* newsgroup, I cannot in all conscience say 'Go ahead and install your copy of Windows 98SE on as many machines simulataneously as you like!', even if in practice the only thing to stop a person doing so is their conscience. With the master gone, do I have to then do a new install on the present slave after the transfer, or is there any way of copying the OS before the hardware transfer? Given that the current Master would need Windows re-installed on the new machine, the thing to do would be to clone the Master to the Slave then reverse them so that the Master becomes the Slave. Then check that Windows does boot from the new Master. It does rather depend on what Imaging or Backup software you have - for instance Microsoft's MSBackup is worth uninstalling and erasing all memory of! Take a look at Terabyte Unlimited's Image for Windows, which I would expect can be used for 30 days as a trial (given that their Partition Managing software, BING, can). This from PowerQuest Drive Image's (the one I use) help file: quote Hiding the source drive will ensure that your drive letters do not change when you reboot your computer. It can also avoid problems caused by having two identical operating systems visible when you reboot. You can use this option to copy an operating system to a new disk and hide the original partitions. The new partitions will be active. You can set the new drive to master and the old drive to slave, reboot and test the new operating system with the old drive still in place in case something goes wrong. /quote Shane |
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Given that the current Master would need Windows re-installed on the new
machine, the thing to do would be to clone the Master to the Slave then reverse them so that the Master becomes the Slave. Then check that Windows does boot from the new Master. Actually it doesn't matter what you're going to do with the original Master, this is the way to transfer the OS to the Slave. Shane |
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Shane wrote:
Answers in line, excuse the lapsing into pseudo legalese: My master hard drive with my W98SE OS, will get moved to a new computer being Bear in mind you'd be transferring an installation with drivers for the (very) old hardware and it almost certainly wouldn't boot, or if by some miracle if it did, run for long without BSODs, on the new hardware. Or are you going to re-install 98SE on this drive once in the new machine? built for me, to run W98SE. Retained in this computer is the present slave drive, will be later the only one. I want to continue to run W98SE on the existing computer, with the present slave drive. Okay, what you seem to be asking - unintentionally perhaps - is whether you can run the same installation (one derived originally from the same cd, I guess) on two computers simultaneously. According to the license (the accepting of the EULA before installation completes) to run any legal version of Windows, you are expressly forbidden to do so. One would not go so far as to say it is *illegal* to act thus contrary to the EULA - I do not know the situation pertaining when a third-party obtains a machine on which is installed the copy of Windows in question, from the original licensee/owner who has not informed the new licensee/owner of the existence of said EULA, but I can only imagine that, insofar as anyone is considered responsible in that situation it would be the original licensee/owner and the new one is free to do what the hell he or she wants. Anyhow, the point is that, as this is a *Microsoft-sponsored* newsgroup, I cannot in all conscience say 'Go ahead and install your copy of Windows 98SE on as many machines simulataneously as you like!', even if in practice the only thing to stop a person doing so is their conscience. With the master gone, do I have to then do a new install on the present slave after the transfer, or is there any way of copying the OS before the hardware transfer? Given that the current Master would need Windows re-installed on the new machine, the thing to do would be to clone the Master to the Slave then reverse them so that the Master becomes the Slave. Then check that Windows does boot from the new Master. It does rather depend on what Imaging or Backup software you have - for instance Microsoft's MSBackup is worth uninstalling and erasing all memory of! Take a look at Terabyte Unlimited's Image for Windows, which I would expect can be used for 30 days as a trial (given that their Partition Managing software, BING, can). This from PowerQuest Drive Image's (the one I use) help file: quote Hiding the source drive will ensure that your drive letters do not change when you reboot your computer. It can also avoid problems caused by having two identical operating systems visible when you reboot. You can use this option to copy an operating system to a new disk and hide the original partitions. The new partitions will be active. You can set the new drive to master and the old drive to slave, reboot and test the new operating system with the old drive still in place in case something goes wrong. /quote Shane Your comments noted. I will try to better define the situation (I hope!). I. Now: P166 Hard drive #A (master) has W98SE in C partition. Hard drive #B (slave) storage II. Next week: P1.2 GHZ (new computer) Hard drive NEW (master), will have fresh install of W98SE in C partition Hard drive #A (becomes slave) storage, from P166 III. After that: P166 Hard drive #B will have W98SE in C partition If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled???? I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I situation?? What a mess! I don't know if that's understandable. Advice? Mike |
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If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS
install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled???? Yes, not uninstalled. Not technically deleted, either. Boot to DOS (with a boot disk) and run FORMAT whatever drive letter A has at that point So, if it was now drive D, you'd run FORMAT D: That wipes it. I recommend first you create an unmistakable file on *one* of the drives, then check which drive it's on from DOS. So you create a file in the root called TESTFILE.TXT, then boot to DOS and type, eg ATTRIB C:\TESTFILE.TXT if it gives an affirmative answer, you know which drive is listed as C. If you get 'File Not Found' try ATTRIB D:\TESTFILE.TXT The point of this is you don't wipe the wrong drive by mistake. There are other tests you could make but this is the simplest. If for some reason the new drive has not been set Active (thus designated C the copying software will be able to correct that, but until I know the software there's little point saying any more. But you have to have the software. I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I situation?? Powerquest Drive Image (what I have) - if it's still available. I understand Acronis is good: http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing...s/migrateeasy/ Ghost 10.0 (XP/NT only) contains Ghost 2003 (98/ME), which as I understand it will do it: http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoff...t10/index.html Terabyte Unlimited I know is good, though I use (as I said) Drive Image: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/copywipe.html Shane |
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Thanks for the info.
Shane wrote: If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled???? Yes, not uninstalled. Not technically deleted, either. Boot to DOS (with a boot disk) and run FORMAT whatever drive letter A has at that point Initially, the working OS will be on the other NEW hard drive, then I will copy lots of data files off this drive that has the old OS. When I boot up, the windows in C on the NEW drive is always the one that runs? So there will be time after I'm running to then format this drive? So, if it was now drive D, you'd run FORMAT D: That wipes it. I recommend first you create an unmistakable file on *one* of the drives, then check which drive it's on from DOS. So you create a file in the root called TESTFILE.TXT, then boot to DOS and type, eg ATTRIB C:\TESTFILE.TXT if it gives an affirmative answer, you know which drive is listed as C. If you get 'File Not Found' try ATTRIB D:\TESTFILE.TXT The point of this is you don't wipe the wrong drive by mistake. There are other tests you could make but this is the simplest. If for some reason the new drive has not been set Active (thus designated C the copying software will be able to correct that, but until I know the software there's little point saying any more. But you have to have the software. I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I situation?? Powerquest Drive Image (what I have) - if it's still available. I understand Acronis is good: http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing...s/migrateeasy/ Ghost 10.0 (XP/NT only) contains Ghost 2003 (98/ME), which as I understand it will do it: http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoff...t10/index.html Terabyte Unlimited I know is good, though I use (as I said) Drive Image: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/copywipe.html Shane Thanks Mike |
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Heh, I'm still looking at this, trying to figure out exactly what the
situation is! But I think it's coming to me now... I. Now: P166 Hard drive #A (master) has W98SE in C partition. Hard drive #B (slave) storage II. Next week: P1.2 GHZ (new computer) Hard drive NEW (master), will have fresh install of W98SE in C partition Hard drive #A (becomes slave) storage, from P166 III. After that: P166 Hard drive #B will have W98SE in C partition If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled???? Okay, you *can* delete the contents of A, but it is much slower, more complicated, and less comprehensive than running Format. I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I situation?? Yes, using the software I gave the links to, the Master can be cloned to the Slave, ie the drive's contents copied *exactly*. The software will set the old Slave 'Active' and the old Master 'hidden'. It cannot, of course, swap the jumpers! But it will do everything else. Be careful with FORMAT commands - although there is ample warning. The other command to investigate is FDISK. When you run FDISK, remember to always select 'Y' for yes when asked if you want to enable large disk support. Many end up accidentally limiting the size of their disks to 2G by not selecting this! Running FDISK, you will get the option to view information for the other disk (ie not the main one, which FDISK will *initially* display information for). You can then use FDISK to delete the contents of that disk. And that *is* deleting, but not so much deleting the operating system - although it does do that - but deleting the file system! It leaves an unformatted disk as opposed to one ready for installing another system to. However, if you're using the disk again (for data this time around) you will still have to format it, but you can do that in the new computer if you wish. So, yes, you can blank the old Master before transferring it to the new machine as a Slave. Shane |
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"ms" wrote in message ... Thanks for the info. Shane wrote: If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled???? Yes, not uninstalled. Not technically deleted, either. Boot to DOS (with a boot disk) and run FORMAT whatever drive letter A has at that point Initially, the working OS will be on the other NEW hard drive, then I will copy lots of data files off this drive that has the old OS. When I boot up, the windows in C on the NEW drive is always the one that runs? So there will be time after I'm running to then format this drive? It's pretty unlikely not to be the one that runs. But with 98/ME the bootable partition has to be Primary rather than Logical, has to have a boot sector, and has to have been set 'active'. Boot Managers are akin to a switch. So imagine you're booting Windows 98SE and Windows ME. With the switch in the 'up' position, Windows 98SE is set 'Active' and Windows ME is set 'Hidden'. With the switch in the 'down' position, Windows 98SE is set 'Hidden' and Windows ME is set 'Active'. It just toggles between the two states. The one that is set 'Active' is the one designated C. Shane |
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Shane wrote:
Heh, I'm still looking at this, trying to figure out exactly what the situation is! But I think it's coming to me now... I. Now: P166 Hard drive #A (master) has W98SE in C partition. Hard drive #B (slave) storage II. Next week: P1.2 GHZ (new computer) Hard drive NEW (master), will have fresh install of W98SE in C partition Hard drive #A (becomes slave) storage, from P166 III. After that: P166 Hard drive #B will have W98SE in C partition If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled???? Okay, you *can* delete the contents of A, but it is much slower, more complicated, and less comprehensive than running Format. I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I situation?? Yes, using the software I gave the links to, the Master can be cloned to the Slave, ie the drive's contents copied *exactly*. The software will set the old Slave 'Active' and the old Master 'hidden'. It cannot, of course, swap the jumpers! But it will do everything else. Be careful with FORMAT commands - although there is ample warning. The other command to investigate is FDISK. When you run FDISK, remember to always select 'Y' for yes when asked if you want to enable large disk support. Many end up accidentally limiting the size of their disks to 2G by not selecting this! Running FDISK, you will get the option to view information for the other disk (ie not the main one, which FDISK will *initially* display information for). You can then use FDISK to delete the contents of that disk. And that *is* deleting, but not so much deleting the operating system - although it does do that - but deleting the file system! It leaves an unformatted disk as opposed to one ready for installing another system to. However, if you're using the disk again (for data this time around) you will still have to format it, but you can do that in the new computer if you wish. So, yes, you can blank the old Master before transferring it to the new machine as a Slave. Shane I'm glad you said the above, in place (I hope) of the content in your other email. That one left me adrift w/o a paddle, if I was 20 and good sleep I could handle it, but now it' somewhat tricky for me. The above is in my ballpark, I need to digest it and get back. Mike |
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"ms" wrote in message ... Shane wrote: Heh, I'm still looking at this, trying to figure out exactly what the situation is! But I think it's coming to me now... I. Now: P166 Hard drive #A (master) has W98SE in C partition. Hard drive #B (slave) storage II. Next week: P1.2 GHZ (new computer) Hard drive NEW (master), will have fresh install of W98SE in C partition Hard drive #A (becomes slave) storage, from P166 III. After that: P166 Hard drive #B will have W98SE in C partition If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled???? Okay, you *can* delete the contents of A, but it is much slower, more complicated, and less comprehensive than running Format. I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I situation?? Yes, using the software I gave the links to, the Master can be cloned to the Slave, ie the drive's contents copied *exactly*. The software will set the old Slave 'Active' and the old Master 'hidden'. It cannot, of course, swap the jumpers! But it will do everything else. Be careful with FORMAT commands - although there is ample warning. The other command to investigate is FDISK. When you run FDISK, remember to always select 'Y' for yes when asked if you want to enable large disk support. Many end up accidentally limiting the size of their disks to 2G by not selecting this! Running FDISK, you will get the option to view information for the other disk (ie not the main one, which FDISK will *initially* display information for). You can then use FDISK to delete the contents of that disk. And that *is* deleting, but not so much deleting the operating system - although it does do that - but deleting the file system! It leaves an unformatted disk as opposed to one ready for installing another system to. However, if you're using the disk again (for data this time around) you will still have to format it, but you can do that in the new computer if you wish. So, yes, you can blank the old Master before transferring it to the new machine as a Slave. Shane I'm glad you said the above, in place (I hope) of the content in your other email. I'd just like to emphasise *not* e-mail. Newsgroup post. Wouldn't want people thinking I was e-mailing you about this, mostly - I must admit - out of vanity, for I wouldn't want to come across as amateurish. Or not *too* amateurish, at least! As for 'in place of', I seem to have posted so many times that I'm not sure - without looking through them - which one you'd be referring to specifically. I expect they're all a bit esoteric! That one left me adrift w/o a paddle, if I was 20 and good sleep I could handle it, but now it' somewhat tricky for me. Yes, well, the longer one does this stuff, the further one seems to get from speaking the same language as the typical user. I guess it's a requirement one doesn't expect, language skills. The above is in my ballpark, I need to digest it and get back. So...you're going to eat a baseball? ;-) Shane |
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