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Old February 20th 06, 12:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Shane wrote:
If you don't want to do an upgrade (as I never do!) you can
nonetheless retain things such as the latest 9x NVidia driver setup


files

and other folders unzipped-but-not-installed to C, shaving precious


minutes

from the new install.


Thanks, Shane, I will save it for when I need it.



You're welcome. Bear in mind, though, the time-saving of the above is only
really in special situations and probably not worth doing solely for that
reason. otoh, and the NVidia drivers are a case in point, if you had - as
many do - deleted the installation file, retaining C:\Nvidia would save
downloading it again. That would be a pretty big deal for someone on
dial-up, though I suspect most are now on BB (not that I know it for
certain).

Otherwise, the way to do the deletion is to make another batch file - from
DOS - to list the files and/or folders, then remove or comment out from the
list, or zip and later unzip, what you want to keep. Start Smartdrv and run
the batch to do the deleting. List the contents of Windows and you can
delete the majority of those (while retaining C:\Windows\Command, it's
contents and other files DOS needs to continue *after* deleting, in case you
decide you need to. It's a pain in the butt to delete the entire windows
folder then find, despite the fact the DOS tools already in memory still
run, those that aren't no longer can be!).


Do you post to the corresponding W98 ng?



No. I have done briefly because others have crossposted, so my name may have
been seen there, but I don't think I ever have specifically posted to any 98
group. Quite surprisinf when I come to think of it!

Shane


In 2 weeks, I will have a situation on my P166, maybe you have a comment, based on
above.

My master hard drive with my W98SE OS, will get moved to a new computer being
built for me, to run W98SE. Retained in this computer is the present slave drive,
will be later the only one. I want to continue to run W98SE on the existing
computer, with the present slave drive.

With the master gone, do I have to then do a new install on the present slave
after the transfer, or is there any way of copying the OS before the hardware
transfer?

Thanks

MS
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Old February 20th 06, 10:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Answers in line, excuse the lapsing into pseudo legalese:

My master hard drive with my W98SE OS, will get moved to a new computer
being


Bear in mind you'd be transferring an installation with drivers for the
(very) old hardware and it almost certainly wouldn't boot, or if by some
miracle if it did, run for long without BSODs, on the new hardware. Or are
you going to re-install 98SE on this drive once in the new machine?

built for me, to run W98SE. Retained in this computer is the present slave
drive, will be later the only one. I want to continue to run W98SE on the
existing computer, with the present slave drive.


Okay, what you seem to be asking - unintentionally perhaps - is whether you
can run the same installation (one derived originally from the same cd, I
guess) on two computers simultaneously.

According to the license (the accepting of the EULA before installation
completes) to run any legal version of Windows, you are expressly forbidden
to do so.

One would not go so far as to say it is *illegal* to act thus contrary to
the EULA - I do not know the situation pertaining when a third-party obtains
a machine on which is installed the copy of Windows in question, from the
original licensee/owner who has not informed the new licensee/owner of the
existence of said EULA, but I can only imagine that, insofar as anyone is
considered responsible in that situation it would be the original
licensee/owner and the new one is free to do what the hell he or she wants.

Anyhow, the point is that, as this is a *Microsoft-sponsored* newsgroup, I
cannot in all conscience say 'Go ahead and install your copy of Windows 98SE
on as many machines simulataneously as you like!', even if in practice the
only thing to stop a person doing so is their conscience.

With the master gone, do I have to then do a new install on the present
slave after the transfer, or is there any way of copying the OS before the
hardware transfer?


Given that the current Master would need Windows re-installed on the new
machine, the thing to do would be to clone the Master to the Slave then
reverse them so that the Master becomes the Slave. Then check that Windows
does boot from the new Master. It does rather depend on what Imaging or
Backup software you have - for instance Microsoft's MSBackup is worth
uninstalling and erasing all memory of!

Take a look at Terabyte Unlimited's Image for Windows, which I would expect
can be used for 30 days as a trial (given that their Partition Managing
software, BING, can). This from PowerQuest Drive Image's (the one I use)
help file:

quote

Hiding the source drive will ensure that your drive letters do not change
when you reboot your computer. It can also avoid problems caused by having
two identical operating systems visible when you reboot. You can use this
option to copy an operating system to a new disk and hide the original
partitions. The new partitions will be active. You can set the new drive to
master and the old drive to slave, reboot and test the new operating system
with the old drive still in place in case something goes wrong.

/quote

Shane


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Old February 20th 06, 10:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Given that the current Master would need Windows re-installed on the new
machine, the thing to do would be to clone the Master to the Slave then
reverse them so that the Master becomes the Slave. Then check that Windows
does boot from the new Master.


Actually it doesn't matter what you're going to do with the original Master,
this is the way to transfer the OS to the Slave.

Shane


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Old February 22nd 06, 05:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Shane wrote:
Answers in line, excuse the lapsing into pseudo legalese:


My master hard drive with my W98SE OS, will get moved to a new computer
being



Bear in mind you'd be transferring an installation with drivers for the
(very) old hardware and it almost certainly wouldn't boot, or if by some
miracle if it did, run for long without BSODs, on the new hardware. Or are
you going to re-install 98SE on this drive once in the new machine?


built for me, to run W98SE. Retained in this computer is the present slave
drive, will be later the only one. I want to continue to run W98SE on the
existing computer, with the present slave drive.



Okay, what you seem to be asking - unintentionally perhaps - is whether you
can run the same installation (one derived originally from the same cd, I
guess) on two computers simultaneously.

According to the license (the accepting of the EULA before installation
completes) to run any legal version of Windows, you are expressly forbidden
to do so.

One would not go so far as to say it is *illegal* to act thus contrary to
the EULA - I do not know the situation pertaining when a third-party obtains
a machine on which is installed the copy of Windows in question, from the
original licensee/owner who has not informed the new licensee/owner of the
existence of said EULA, but I can only imagine that, insofar as anyone is
considered responsible in that situation it would be the original
licensee/owner and the new one is free to do what the hell he or she wants.

Anyhow, the point is that, as this is a *Microsoft-sponsored* newsgroup, I
cannot in all conscience say 'Go ahead and install your copy of Windows 98SE
on as many machines simulataneously as you like!', even if in practice the
only thing to stop a person doing so is their conscience.


With the master gone, do I have to then do a new install on the present
slave after the transfer, or is there any way of copying the OS before the
hardware transfer?



Given that the current Master would need Windows re-installed on the new
machine, the thing to do would be to clone the Master to the Slave then
reverse them so that the Master becomes the Slave. Then check that Windows
does boot from the new Master. It does rather depend on what Imaging or
Backup software you have - for instance Microsoft's MSBackup is worth
uninstalling and erasing all memory of!

Take a look at Terabyte Unlimited's Image for Windows, which I would expect
can be used for 30 days as a trial (given that their Partition Managing
software, BING, can). This from PowerQuest Drive Image's (the one I use)
help file:

quote

Hiding the source drive will ensure that your drive letters do not change
when you reboot your computer. It can also avoid problems caused by having
two identical operating systems visible when you reboot. You can use this
option to copy an operating system to a new disk and hide the original
partitions. The new partitions will be active. You can set the new drive to
master and the old drive to slave, reboot and test the new operating system
with the old drive still in place in case something goes wrong.

/quote

Shane


Your comments noted.

I will try to better define the situation (I hope!).

I. Now: P166
Hard drive #A (master) has W98SE in C partition.
Hard drive #B (slave) storage

II. Next week: P1.2 GHZ (new computer)
Hard drive NEW (master), will have fresh install of W98SE in C partition
Hard drive #A (becomes slave) storage, from P166

III. After that: P166
Hard drive #B will have W98SE in C partition

If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS install
on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled????

I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A drive to the
B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I situation??

What a mess! I don't know if that's understandable.

Advice?

Mike



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Old February 22nd 06, 11:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS
install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled????


Yes, not uninstalled. Not technically deleted, either. Boot to DOS (with a
boot disk) and run FORMAT whatever drive letter A has at that point

So, if it was now drive D, you'd run

FORMAT D:

That wipes it. I recommend first you create an unmistakable file on *one* of
the drives, then check which drive it's on from DOS. So you create a file in
the root called TESTFILE.TXT, then boot to DOS and type, eg

ATTRIB C:\TESTFILE.TXT

if it gives an affirmative answer, you know which drive is listed as C. If
you get 'File Not Found' try

ATTRIB D:\TESTFILE.TXT

The point of this is you don't wipe the wrong drive by mistake. There are
other tests you could make but this is the simplest.

If for some reason the new drive has not been set Active (thus designated
C the copying software will be able to correct that, but until I know the
software there's little point saying any more. But you have to have the
software.

I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A
drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I
situation??


Powerquest Drive Image (what I have) - if it's still available.
I understand Acronis is good:
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing...s/migrateeasy/
Ghost 10.0 (XP/NT only) contains Ghost 2003 (98/ME), which as I understand
it will do it:
http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoff...t10/index.html
Terabyte Unlimited I know is good, though I use (as I said) Drive Image:
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/copywipe.html

Shane


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Old February 23rd 06, 12:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Thanks for the info.

Shane wrote:
If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS
install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled????



Yes, not uninstalled. Not technically deleted, either. Boot to DOS (with a
boot disk) and run FORMAT whatever drive letter A has at that point

Initially, the working OS will be on the other NEW hard drive, then I will copy
lots of data files off this drive that has the old OS.

When I boot up, the windows in C on the NEW drive is always the one that runs?
So there will be time after I'm running to then format this drive?

So, if it was now drive D, you'd run

FORMAT D:

That wipes it. I recommend first you create an unmistakable file on *one* of
the drives, then check which drive it's on from DOS. So you create a file in
the root called TESTFILE.TXT, then boot to DOS and type, eg

ATTRIB C:\TESTFILE.TXT

if it gives an affirmative answer, you know which drive is listed as C. If
you get 'File Not Found' try

ATTRIB D:\TESTFILE.TXT

The point of this is you don't wipe the wrong drive by mistake. There are
other tests you could make but this is the simplest.

If for some reason the new drive has not been set Active (thus designated
C the copying software will be able to correct that, but until I know the
software there's little point saying any more. But you have to have the
software.


I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A
drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I
situation??



Powerquest Drive Image (what I have) - if it's still available.
I understand Acronis is good:
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing...s/migrateeasy/
Ghost 10.0 (XP/NT only) contains Ghost 2003 (98/ME), which as I understand
it will do it:
http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoff...t10/index.html
Terabyte Unlimited I know is good, though I use (as I said) Drive Image:
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/copywipe.html

Shane


Thanks

Mike
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Old February 23rd 06, 04:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Heh, I'm still looking at this, trying to figure out exactly what the
situation is! But I think it's coming to me now...

I. Now: P166
Hard drive #A (master) has W98SE in C partition.
Hard drive #B (slave) storage

II. Next week: P1.2 GHZ (new computer)
Hard drive NEW (master), will have fresh install of W98SE in C partition
Hard drive #A (becomes slave) storage, from P166

III. After that: P166
Hard drive #B will have W98SE in C partition

If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS
install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled????


Okay, you *can* delete the contents of A, but it is much slower, more
complicated, and less comprehensive than running Format.


I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A
drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I
situation??


Yes, using the software I gave the links to, the Master can be cloned to the
Slave, ie the drive's contents copied *exactly*. The software will set the
old Slave 'Active' and the old Master 'hidden'. It cannot, of course, swap
the
jumpers! But it will do everything else.

Be careful with FORMAT commands - although there is ample warning. The other
command to investigate is FDISK. When you run FDISK, remember to always
select 'Y' for yes when asked if you want to enable large disk support. Many
end up accidentally limiting the size of their disks to 2G by not selecting
this!

Running FDISK, you will get the option to view information for the other
disk (ie not the main one, which FDISK will *initially* display information
for). You can then use FDISK to delete the contents of that disk. And that
*is* deleting, but not so much deleting the operating system - although it
does do that - but deleting the file system! It leaves an unformatted
disk as opposed to one ready for installing another system to. However, if
you're using the disk again (for data this time around) you will still have
to format it, but you can do that in the new computer if you wish.

So, yes, you can blank the old Master before transferring it to the new
machine as a Slave.


Shane







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Old February 23rd 06, 04:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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"ms" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info.

Shane wrote:
If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS
install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled????



Yes, not uninstalled. Not technically deleted, either. Boot to DOS (with
a boot disk) and run FORMAT whatever drive letter A has at that point

Initially, the working OS will be on the other NEW hard drive, then I will
copy lots of data files off this drive that has the old OS.

When I boot up, the windows in C on the NEW drive is always the one that
runs?
So there will be time after I'm running to then format this drive?


It's pretty unlikely not to be the one that runs. But with 98/ME the
bootable partition has to be Primary rather than Logical, has to have a boot
sector, and has to have been set 'active'.

Boot Managers are akin to a switch. So imagine you're booting Windows 98SE
and Windows ME. With the switch in the 'up' position, Windows 98SE is set
'Active' and Windows ME is set 'Hidden'. With the switch in the 'down'
position, Windows 98SE is set 'Hidden' and Windows ME is set 'Active'. It
just toggles between the two states. The one that is set 'Active' is the one
designated C.


Shane


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Old February 23rd 06, 03:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Shane wrote:
Heh, I'm still looking at this, trying to figure out exactly what the
situation is! But I think it's coming to me now...


I. Now: P166
Hard drive #A (master) has W98SE in C partition.
Hard drive #B (slave) storage

II. Next week: P1.2 GHZ (new computer)
Hard drive NEW (master), will have fresh install of W98SE in C partition
Hard drive #A (becomes slave) storage, from P166

III. After that: P166
Hard drive #B will have W98SE in C partition

If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS
install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled????



Okay, you *can* delete the contents of A, but it is much slower, more
complicated, and less comprehensive than running Format.


I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A
drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I
situation??



Yes, using the software I gave the links to, the Master can be cloned to the
Slave, ie the drive's contents copied *exactly*. The software will set the
old Slave 'Active' and the old Master 'hidden'. It cannot, of course, swap
the
jumpers! But it will do everything else.

Be careful with FORMAT commands - although there is ample warning. The other
command to investigate is FDISK. When you run FDISK, remember to always
select 'Y' for yes when asked if you want to enable large disk support. Many
end up accidentally limiting the size of their disks to 2G by not selecting
this!

Running FDISK, you will get the option to view information for the other
disk (ie not the main one, which FDISK will *initially* display information
for). You can then use FDISK to delete the contents of that disk. And that
*is* deleting, but not so much deleting the operating system - although it
does do that - but deleting the file system! It leaves an unformatted
disk as opposed to one ready for installing another system to. However, if
you're using the disk again (for data this time around) you will still have
to format it, but you can do that in the new computer if you wish.

So, yes, you can blank the old Master before transferring it to the new
machine as a Slave.


Shane


I'm glad you said the above, in place (I hope) of the content in your other email.
That one left me adrift w/o a paddle, if I was 20 and good sleep I could handle
it, but now it' somewhat tricky for me.

The above is in my ballpark, I need to digest it and get back.

Mike
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Old February 23rd 06, 05:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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"ms" wrote in message
...
Shane wrote:
Heh, I'm still looking at this, trying to figure out exactly what the
situation is! But I think it's coming to me now...


I. Now: P166
Hard drive #A (master) has W98SE in C partition.
Hard drive #B (slave) storage

II. Next week: P1.2 GHZ (new computer)
Hard drive NEW (master), will have fresh install of W98SE in C partition
Hard drive #A (becomes slave) storage, from P166

III. After that: P166
Hard drive #B will have W98SE in C partition

If I understand it, in II, after the fresh install on New, the present OS
install on hard drive A can be deleted- not uninstalled????



Okay, you *can* delete the contents of A, but it is much slower, more
complicated, and less comprehensive than running Format.


I would like to transfer, somehow, the present install in I on the A
drive to the B hard drive, to use in III, but can't do that in the I
situation??



Yes, using the software I gave the links to, the Master can be cloned to
the
Slave, ie the drive's contents copied *exactly*. The software will set
the
old Slave 'Active' and the old Master 'hidden'. It cannot, of course,
swap the
jumpers! But it will do everything else.

Be careful with FORMAT commands - although there is ample warning. The
other
command to investigate is FDISK. When you run FDISK, remember to always
select 'Y' for yes when asked if you want to enable large disk support.
Many
end up accidentally limiting the size of their disks to 2G by not
selecting
this!

Running FDISK, you will get the option to view information for the other
disk (ie not the main one, which FDISK will *initially* display
information
for). You can then use FDISK to delete the contents of that disk. And
that
*is* deleting, but not so much deleting the operating system - although
it
does do that - but deleting the file system! It leaves an unformatted
disk as opposed to one ready for installing another system to. However,
if
you're using the disk again (for data this time around) you will still
have
to format it, but you can do that in the new computer if you wish.

So, yes, you can blank the old Master before transferring it to the new
machine as a Slave.


Shane


I'm glad you said the above, in place (I hope) of the content in your
other email.


I'd just like to emphasise *not* e-mail. Newsgroup post. Wouldn't want
people thinking I was e-mailing you about this, mostly - I must admit - out
of vanity, for I wouldn't want to come across as amateurish. Or not *too*
amateurish, at least!

As for 'in place of', I seem to have posted so many times that I'm not
sure - without looking through them - which one you'd be referring to
specifically. I expect they're all a bit esoteric!

That one left me adrift w/o a paddle, if I was 20 and good sleep I could
handle it, but now it' somewhat tricky for me.


Yes, well, the longer one does this stuff, the further one seems to get from
speaking the same language as the typical user. I guess it's a requirement
one doesn't expect, language skills.


The above is in my ballpark, I need to digest it and get back.


So...you're going to eat a baseball?

;-)

Shane


 




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