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Thanks Gentlemen
I'm just on my way out but shall be back for the fun and games later this afternoon. I will obviously be back. Dan "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Dan I see that Mike has already addressed fairly comprehensively (as is usual for Mike! g) - so I'll try these ones...answers inline I've assumed that you are modifying a current installation, throughout - if you're intending to start afresh, then things are easier! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Dapper Dan" wrote in message ... Noel As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and Getting Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more geeky than I would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that I will understand any more than I do now. In the meantime, just a couple of questions, if I may. *I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my computers, I do not want to enable more than 4 primary partitions. Or will that even come up, given that I am only adding a partition(s) There's no need to install BING at all (especially if you;'re only testing it) - it works just as well from the floppy boot (just hit Cancel when asked to install, and it goes into 'Maintenance Mode' - which is exactly the same as the installed version) You shouldn't need more than one Primary partition - plus the Extended partition for the Logical drives that hold your data *Do I want the partitions chosen for me No - you'll first have to resize the existing drive/partition to a suitable size, and then create an extended partition for the rest of the drive - then create suitable Logical Drives within that partition *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition Not if you don't want to pay for it! g - you don't want to install it at all, in that case! *Do I want to format the new partition(s) Yes - FAT32 format for Win ME |
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Piece of Cake!
Daunting task but appear to have survived without too much of a hitch. On my first attempt, I didn't have mouse control which made it even more difficult, until I got to the very end Format Summary and couldn't get past the name. The only way out was to cancel. Elected to try again; rebooted and this time it was obvious that the mouse had initially froze on my first attempt. With an active mouse, I easily completed the repartition, although I haven't as yet moved anything as I have a couple of questions. *Is there any significance to the required name in FORMAT SUMMARY. I wasn't sure if this meant what drive letter to associate it with so I just named it E *Again, in the same message box, the Format is shown as FAT-32/FAT32. I had selected 12/Ch: FAT-32, however there was another choice listed as 11Bh: FAT-32. Not sure of the significance, if any, but thought it prudent to ask before transferring files over to the new partition. BTW, the machine I'm practicing on is Win 98SE. One last thing, having done this, I think I would like to go one step further and make two partitions instead of one, housing all data files on one partition and all temp stuff like Tmp, Temp, TIF and Swap File on the other. I think it would make it easier to backup or Image for protection. Make sense? Thanks again for your guidance. Dan "Dapper Dan" wrote in message ... Thanks Gentlemen I'm just on my way out but shall be back for the fun and games later this afternoon. I will obviously be back. Dan "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Dan I see that Mike has already addressed fairly comprehensively (as is usual for Mike! g) - so I'll try these ones...answers inline I've assumed that you are modifying a current installation, throughout - if you're intending to start afresh, then things are easier! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Dapper Dan" wrote in message ... Noel As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and Getting Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more geeky than I would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that I will understand any more than I do now. In the meantime, just a couple of questions, if I may. *I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my computers, I do not want to enable more than 4 primary partitions. Or will that even come up, given that I am only adding a partition(s) There's no need to install BING at all (especially if you;'re only testing it) - it works just as well from the floppy boot (just hit Cancel when asked to install, and it goes into 'Maintenance Mode' - which is exactly the same as the installed version) You shouldn't need more than one Primary partition - plus the Extended partition for the Logical drives that hold your data *Do I want the partitions chosen for me No - you'll first have to resize the existing drive/partition to a suitable size, and then create an extended partition for the rest of the drive - then create suitable Logical Drives within that partition *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition Not if you don't want to pay for it! g - you don't want to install it at all, in that case! *Do I want to format the new partition(s) Yes - FAT32 format for Win ME |
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Looks like I'm going to need more help, afterall.
Decided to proceed without response but something isn't right. Relocated MY DOCUMENTS to D via Desktop Properties but appear to have lost the contents. In the Target Folder location I simply changed the target from C:\My Documents to D:\My Documents. I'm not sure I understand the instruction re using TweakUI to move Desktop, Favourites, My Music etc. i.e. DO NOT HAVE 2 DIFFERENT SPECIAL FOLDERS POINTING TO THE SAME LOCATION. Am I simply not just highlighting any one of those in the dropdown menu and clicking on CHANGE ? Lastly, I don't have a TEMP and/or TMP in my autoexec so how would I do this in Notepad Thanks "Dapper Dan" wrote in message ... Piece of Cake! Daunting task but appear to have survived without too much of a hitch. On my first attempt, I didn't have mouse control which made it even more difficult, until I got to the very end Format Summary and couldn't get past the name. The only way out was to cancel. Elected to try again; rebooted and this time it was obvious that the mouse had initially froze on my first attempt. With an active mouse, I easily completed the repartition, although I haven't as yet moved anything as I have a couple of questions. *Is there any significance to the required name in FORMAT SUMMARY. I wasn't sure if this meant what drive letter to associate it with so I just named it E *Again, in the same message box, the Format is shown as FAT-32/FAT32. I had selected 12/Ch: FAT-32, however there was another choice listed as 11Bh: FAT-32. Not sure of the significance, if any, but thought it prudent to ask before transferring files over to the new partition. BTW, the machine I'm practicing on is Win 98SE. One last thing, having done this, I think I would like to go one step further and make two partitions instead of one, housing all data files on one partition and all temp stuff like Tmp, Temp, TIF and Swap File on the other. I think it would make it easier to backup or Image for protection. Make sense? Thanks again for your guidance. Dan "Dapper Dan" wrote in message ... Thanks Gentlemen I'm just on my way out but shall be back for the fun and games later this afternoon. I will obviously be back. Dan "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Dan I see that Mike has already addressed fairly comprehensively (as is usual for Mike! g) - so I'll try these ones...answers inline I've assumed that you are modifying a current installation, throughout - if you're intending to start afresh, then things are easier! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Dapper Dan" wrote in message ... Noel As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and Getting Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more geeky than I would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that I will understand any more than I do now. In the meantime, just a couple of questions, if I may. *I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my computers, I do not want to enable more than 4 primary partitions. Or will that even come up, given that I am only adding a partition(s) There's no need to install BING at all (especially if you;'re only testing it) - it works just as well from the floppy boot (just hit Cancel when asked to install, and it goes into 'Maintenance Mode' - which is exactly the same as the installed version) You shouldn't need more than one Primary partition - plus the Extended partition for the Logical drives that hold your data *Do I want the partitions chosen for me No - you'll first have to resize the existing drive/partition to a suitable size, and then create an extended partition for the rest of the drive - then create suitable Logical Drives within that partition *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition Not if you don't want to pay for it! g - you don't want to install it at all, in that case! *Do I want to format the new partition(s) Yes - FAT32 format for Win ME |
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No problem Mike. I should have been a little clearer yesterday. In the end I
didn't create a third partition because I wasn't sure about where it should go, whether all the temp/swap stuff should be in the second partition or if it matters at all. Thanks for the clarification re My Documents. I didn't see a MOVE button; I just changed the target from C: to D: I now understand re Special Folders. I just wondered if it meant something else because it was obvious that nothing would be in the newly created partition until I put it there. With respect to this item, for some reason I'm having to go into the D and make new folders so that I can fully target the location. One other thing, I'm curious as to why under C:, these Folders (Desktop for example) show as C:\Windows\Desktop whereas under the new partition they are simply showing as D:\Desktop Thanks "Mike M" wrote in message ... Decided to proceed without response I wasn't aware that a response was necessary. I thought your only question was about making two new partitions for different purposes, something I had already mentioned in an earlier message. Decided to proceed without response but something isn't right. Relocated MY DOCUMENTS to D via Desktop Properties but appear to have lost the contents. In the Target Folder location I simply changed the target from C:\My Documents to D:\My Documents. Did you use the Move button? If not and you simply created a new location your existing files will still be in the original location and will need to be moved manually. The old location is C:\My Documents, the files still be there. I'm not sure I understand the instruction re using TweakUI to move Desktop, Favourites, My Music etc. i.e. DO NOT HAVE 2 DIFFERENT SPECIAL FOLDERS POINTING TO THE SAME LOCATION. Do not have two different special folders in the same location means just that. For example DO NOT have My Videos = D:\Media and My Music also pointing to D:\Media, in other words the same folder. Am I simply not just highlighting any one of those in the dropdown menu and clicking on CHANGE ? Select the folder you wish to relocate in the drop down box, click Change Location and enter the new location. Note that any files in the old location won't be moved, you will have to do that manually. I would not recommend modifying the locations for Program Files or Common Program Files as the C:\ location is often hard coded in to the program modules and also for programs that are already installed there will be many registry entries pointing to the original location. -- Mike Maltby Dapper Dan wrote: Looks like I'm going to need more help, afterall. Decided to proceed without response but something isn't right. Relocated MY DOCUMENTS to D via Desktop Properties but appear to have lost the contents. In the Target Folder location I simply changed the target from C:\My Documents to D:\My Documents. I'm not sure I understand the instruction re using TweakUI to move Desktop, Favourites, My Music etc. i.e. DO NOT HAVE 2 DIFFERENT SPECIAL FOLDERS POINTING TO THE SAME LOCATION. Am I simply not just highlighting any one of those in the dropdown menu and clicking on CHANGE ? Lastly, I don't have a TEMP and/or TMP in my autoexec so how would I do this in Notepad Thanks "Dapper Dan" wrote in message ... Piece of Cake! Daunting task but appear to have survived without too much of a hitch. On my first attempt, I didn't have mouse control which made it even more difficult, until I got to the very end Format Summary and couldn't get past the name. The only way out was to cancel. Elected to try again; rebooted and this time it was obvious that the mouse had initially froze on my first attempt. With an active mouse, I easily completed the repartition, although I haven't as yet moved anything as I have a couple of questions. *Is there any significance to the required name in FORMAT SUMMARY. I wasn't sure if this meant what drive letter to associate it with so I just named it E *Again, in the same message box, the Format is shown as FAT-32/FAT32. I had selected 12/Ch: FAT-32, however there was another choice listed as 11Bh: FAT-32. Not sure of the significance, if any, but thought it prudent to ask before transferring files over to the new partition. BTW, the machine I'm practicing on is Win 98SE. One last thing, having done this, I think I would like to go one step further and make two partitions instead of one, housing all data files on one partition and all temp stuff like Tmp, Temp, TIF and Swap File on the other. I think it would make it easier to backup or Image for protection. Make sense? Thanks again for your guidance. Dan "Dapper Dan" wrote in message ... Thanks Gentlemen I'm just on my way out but shall be back for the fun and games later this afternoon. I will obviously be back. Dan "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... Dan I see that Mike has already addressed fairly comprehensively (as is usual for Mike! g) - so I'll try these ones...answers inline I've assumed that you are modifying a current installation, throughout - if you're intending to start afresh, then things are easier! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Dapper Dan" wrote in message ... Noel As I await Mike's feedback, I downloaded the Bing Installation and Getting Started Guide. For lack of a better word, it's a bit more geeky than I would have preferred. I'll reread it but doubt that I will understand any more than I do now. In the meantime, just a couple of questions, if I may. *I assume, with only one Operating System on each of my computers, I do not want to enable more than 4 primary partitions. Or will that even come up, given that I am only adding a partition(s) There's no need to install BING at all (especially if you;'re only testing it) - it works just as well from the floppy boot (just hit Cancel when asked to install, and it goes into 'Maintenance Mode' - which is exactly the same as the installed version) You shouldn't need more than one Primary partition - plus the Extended partition for the Logical drives that hold your data *Do I want the partitions chosen for me No - you'll first have to resize the existing drive/partition to a suitable size, and then create an extended partition for the rest of the drive - then create suitable Logical Drives within that partition *Do I want to install Bootitng on its own partition Not if you don't want to pay for it! g - you don't want to install it at all, in that case! *Do I want to format the new partition(s) Yes - FAT32 format for Win ME |
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for some reason I'm having to go into the D and make new
folders so that I can fully target the location. Dan, The problem here is that TweakUI doesn't allow you to create new folders but rather will only allow you to point at pre-existing folders. One other thing, I'm curious as to why under C:, these Folders (Desktop for example) show as C:\Windows\Desktop whereas under the new partition they are simply showing as D:\Desktop Simply because that's where Microsoft chose to place them. g It is that very predictability that increases the possibility of some of them being targeted although the 8 random characters used for the sub-folders in the TIF are an attempt to reduce that vulnerability. My Documents C:\My Documents with My Pictures and My Music being sub-folders. Desktop C:\Windows\Desktop Temp & Tmp C:\Windows\Temp TIF C:\Windows\Temporary Internet Files OE Message store C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Identities\{GUID} You seem to be doing great. You will end up with a leaner and therefore somewhat faster system drive when you've finished and you will also find making backups and/or image files a lot easier and perhaps also quicker. Cheers. -- Mike Maltby Dapper Dan wrote: No problem Mike. I should have been a little clearer yesterday. In the end I didn't create a third partition because I wasn't sure about where it should go, whether all the temp/swap stuff should be in the second partition or if it matters at all. Thanks for the clarification re My Documents. I didn't see a MOVE button; I just changed the target from C: to D: I now understand re Special Folders. I just wondered if it meant something else because it was obvious that nothing would be in the newly created partition until I put it there. With respect to this item, for some reason I'm having to go into the D and make new folders so that I can fully target the location. One other thing, I'm curious as to why under C:, these Folders (Desktop for example) show as C:\Windows\Desktop whereas under the new partition they are simply showing as D:\Desktop |
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Thanks Mike.
The only things I couldn't transfer over were TMP and TEMP due to not understanding how to do it in Notepad. I imagine it's now safe to delete those folders that were copied over from the C partition to similar folders in D (My Desktop, Favourites, and My Files). I may have to rearrange a few things because in the transfer, all my Utility downloads (AdAware, Adobe, Avast etc) got moved whereas I think that it's probably more fitting for those to stay in C. I'll play around with this over the next few days to make sure files are in fact being saved where they should be and then I'll tackle the Win Me laptop. I still have an outstanding question relating to this and that is when I repartition it, how do I handle the existing D partition which I think holds the Recovery system? Do I ignore it and go from C to E or does it automatically move D to E? Really appreciate your guidance. Thank you. Dan "Mike M" wrote in message ... for some reason I'm having to go into the D and make new folders so that I can fully target the location. Dan, The problem here is that TweakUI doesn't allow you to create new folders but rather will only allow you to point at pre-existing folders. One other thing, I'm curious as to why under C:, these Folders (Desktop for example) show as C:\Windows\Desktop whereas under the new partition they are simply showing as D:\Desktop Simply because that's where Microsoft chose to place them. g It is that very predictability that increases the possibility of some of them being targeted although the 8 random characters used for the sub-folders in the TIF are an attempt to reduce that vulnerability. My Documents C:\My Documents with My Pictures and My Music being sub-folders. Desktop C:\Windows\Desktop Temp & Tmp C:\Windows\Temp TIF C:\Windows\Temporary Internet Files OE Message store C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Identities\{GUID} You seem to be doing great. You will end up with a leaner and therefore somewhat faster system drive when you've finished and you will also find making backups and/or image files a lot easier and perhaps also quicker. Cheers. -- Mike Maltby Dapper Dan wrote: No problem Mike. I should have been a little clearer yesterday. In the end I didn't create a third partition because I wasn't sure about where it should go, whether all the temp/swap stuff should be in the second partition or if it matters at all. Thanks for the clarification re My Documents. I didn't see a MOVE button; I just changed the target from C: to D: I now understand re Special Folders. I just wondered if it meant something else because it was obvious that nothing would be in the newly created partition until I put it there. With respect to this item, for some reason I'm having to go into the D and make new folders so that I can fully target the location. One other thing, I'm curious as to why under C:, these Folders (Desktop for example) show as C:\Windows\Desktop whereas under the new partition they are simply showing as D:\Desktop |
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I still have an outstanding question relating to this
and that is when I repartition it, how do I handle the existing D partition which I think holds the Recovery system? Dan, With considerable care. So much so that I'd be very careful about changing the partition layout. (Fortunately) I have virtually no experience of such recovery systems. The laptop I bought last summer had such a partition but it contained material that could then be burned to DVD (or CDs) after which it could be deleted. I doubt however that if I had to reinstall the OS on that laptop that I would use that recovery disk but instead am more likely to clean install the OS using one of the spare licences I own and so avoid any possible problem with the recovery disks expecting to see a particular partition layout. To answer your specific query I would not only need to know the make and model of your laptop but also have some experience of the manufacturer's method of working. Something I regret that I am most unlikely to have. -- Mike Maltby Dapper Dan wrote: Thanks Mike. The only things I couldn't transfer over were TMP and TEMP due to not understanding how to do it in Notepad. I imagine it's now safe to delete those folders that were copied over from the C partition to similar folders in D (My Desktop, Favourites, and My Files). I may have to rearrange a few things because in the transfer, all my Utility downloads (AdAware, Adobe, Avast etc) got moved whereas I think that it's probably more fitting for those to stay in C. I'll play around with this over the next few days to make sure files are in fact being saved where they should be and then I'll tackle the Win Me laptop. I still have an outstanding question relating to this and that is when I repartition it, how do I handle the existing D partition which I think holds the Recovery system? Do I ignore it and go from C to E or does it automatically move D to E? Really appreciate your guidance. Thank you. |
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I hear you, Mike. I will tread carefully and avoid the D: partition
altogether. I recently reformatted and did a clean install via new Recovery Discs purchased from HP/Compaq. This is a Compaq Presario laptop, model 1200 CA. It's 800 MHz with a 10 GB hard drive, partitioned as follows; MBR Entry 0 Partition 6793 MB Fat-32 (11/Bh) MBR Entry 1 Partition 2793 MB Extended (15/Fh) System_S Volume 2793 MB Fat-32 (12/Ch) There's a warning that the file id should be 11 on the 3rd entry (System_S). BTW, when I scan or defrag, the system show only the first and third partition. Hope this is sufficient feedback for you to provide additional guidance. If not, were you suggesting not to repartition the laptop or were you simply saying not to mess with the existing D: Last thing, I still don't know how to handle the TMP and TEMP problem via autoexec. Thanks "Mike M" wrote in message ... I still have an outstanding question relating to this and that is when I repartition it, how do I handle the existing D partition which I think holds the Recovery system? Dan, With considerable care. So much so that I'd be very careful about changing the partition layout. (Fortunately) I have virtually no experience of such recovery systems. The laptop I bought last summer had such a partition but it contained material that could then be burned to DVD (or CDs) after which it could be deleted. I doubt however that if I had to reinstall the OS on that laptop that I would use that recovery disk but instead am more likely to clean install the OS using one of the spare licences I own and so avoid any possible problem with the recovery disks expecting to see a particular partition layout. To answer your specific query I would not only need to know the make and model of your laptop but also have some experience of the manufacturer's method of working. Something I regret that I am most unlikely to have. -- Mike Maltby Dapper Dan wrote: Thanks Mike. The only things I couldn't transfer over were TMP and TEMP due to not understanding how to do it in Notepad. I imagine it's now safe to delete those folders that were copied over from the C partition to similar folders in D (My Desktop, Favourites, and My Files). I may have to rearrange a few things because in the transfer, all my Utility downloads (AdAware, Adobe, Avast etc) got moved whereas I think that it's probably more fitting for those to stay in C. I'll play around with this over the next few days to make sure files are in fact being saved where they should be and then I'll tackle the Win Me laptop. I still have an outstanding question relating to this and that is when I repartition it, how do I handle the existing D partition which I think holds the Recovery system? Do I ignore it and go from C to E or does it automatically move D to E? Really appreciate your guidance. Thank you. |
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Dan,
Repeating my earlier post, I'm sorry but I can't and won't comment further on how you should arrange the partition layout on your laptop as I have zero experience or knowledge of how Compaq may have arranged their recovery system and how when used this recovery system may then interact with a different layout. Turning to the partition listing you posted. The second entry if that of an extended partition and this will never appear as such in Windows Explorer, only any volumes that the partition contains such as the Volume entry in your list. If the size of the volumes in an extended partition total less than the size of the extended partition this would appear as unallocated space. In your case the Volume System_S occupies the entire extended partition. Last thing, I still don't know how to handle the TMP and TEMP problem via autoexec. As I mentioned in an earlier post all that is involved is to replace the default target for the TMP and TEMP variables in autoexec.bat with the required location. For example you may want to use a folder E:\Temp as the target instead of C:\Windows\Temp in which case you would replace the entries SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP SET TMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP by SET TEMP=E:\TEMP SET TMP=E:\TEMP This would then redirect applications using the TEMP or TMP environment variables to create their temporary files in the folder E:\Temp. Note however that some applications have the location C:\Windows\Temp hard coded in them meaning that such applications will always use the C:\Windows\Temp folder regardless of the settings for TEMP and TMP. -- Mike Maltby Dapper Dan wrote: I hear you, Mike. I will tread carefully and avoid the D: partition altogether. I recently reformatted and did a clean install via new Recovery Discs purchased from HP/Compaq. This is a Compaq Presario laptop, model 1200 CA. It's 800 MHz with a 10 GB hard drive, partitioned as follows; MBR Entry 0 Partition 6793 MB Fat-32 (11/Bh) MBR Entry 1 Partition 2793 MB Extended (15/Fh) System_S Volume 2793 MB Fat-32 (12/Ch) There's a warning that the file id should be 11 on the 3rd entry (System_S). BTW, when I scan or defrag, the system show only the first and third partition. Hope this is sufficient feedback for you to provide additional guidance. If not, were you suggesting not to repartition the laptop or were you simply saying not to mess with the existing D: Last thing, I still don't know how to handle the TMP and TEMP problem via autoexec. |
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