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How much space for WIndows ME Install
Doesn't really matter, I suppose, if you religiously back your data up,
Joan. I guess the irresponsibility comes in failing to do either - and I expect that one usually goes with the other. However, there are - as you know - significant advantages to not having just one big C: drive. You know that - assuming your problems stem from *installing* PM - it doesn't have to be installed, but it does take longer run from DOS. It takes long enough anyway, but from DOS takes so long a UPS would be a good idea. In fact, I've usually preferred to delete data rather than let PM move it, and delete the OS and just reinstall everything once the partitioning is done. Much less risk! Shane "Joan Archer" wrote in message ... Hangs head in shame :-( I'm one of those irresponsible ones, still have just the one partition. Had a few problems with this machine at the beginning that involved PartitionMagic so once everything was running OK never installed it again. All the stuff in My Documents though is also on CD, keep meaning to have a clean out when I have time :-( For anyone reading this though I run XP not ME. Joan Shane wrote: What Mike said! Incidentally, note I added the 'once you know it is' get out. Consider also, that these replies are meant for whoever reads them, not just the OP, and often that means those with Restore discs which usually only wipe C, although usually that does mean the entire unpartitioned disk and relatively inexperienced users will restore their OEM image, or whatever, without realising that their documents will be deleted in the process. I think that once you appreciate the reasons Mike and I give, it *is* irresponsible to leave data on C, at least if it is important and particularly if you'll be advising new users. Same as it's not irresponsible to get malware infestations as a new user, but as an old hand that's exactly what it is! There was another point I meant to make, but it escapes me now... Shane |
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You're crazy too, eh?
Shane "George Gee" wrote in message ... Looks like I sit with the 'Gals'! Although I do back-up daily, to an external hard-drive. George Gee "Heather" wrote in message ... Ditto, Joanie......so let's hold our heads up high and just say there is a "guy vs gal" way of doing things......LOL!! XX Heather "Joan Archer" wrote in message ... Hangs head in shame :-( I'm one of those irresponsible ones, still have just the one partition. Had a few problems with this machine at the beginning that involved PartitionMagic so once everything was running OK never installed it again. All the stuff in My Documents though is also on CD, keep meaning to have a clean out when I have time :-( For anyone reading this though I run XP not ME. Joan Shane wrote: What Mike said! Incidentally, note I added the 'once you know it is' get out. Consider also, that these replies are meant for whoever reads them, not just the OP, and often that means those with Restore discs which usually only wipe C, although usually that does mean the entire unpartitioned disk and relatively inexperienced users will restore their OEM image, or whatever, without realising that their documents will be deleted in the process. I think that once you appreciate the reasons Mike and I give, it *is* irresponsible to leave data on C, at least if it is important and particularly if you'll be advising new users. Same as it's not irresponsible to get malware infestations as a new user, but as an old hand that's exactly what it is! There was another point I meant to make, but it escapes me now... Shane |
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Keep it simple is my motto.
It doesn't matter where you *move* your 'My Docs/My Data' folder to, a separate partition, a separate hard-drive, you still need to back it up! George Gee "Shane" wrote in message ... You're crazy too, eh? Shane "George Gee" wrote in message ... Looks like I sit with the 'Gals'! Although I do back-up daily, to an external hard-drive. George Gee |
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True. But when it takes, for example, not 20 mins, but 2 to defrag C, it
sure simplifys running Windows! No defragging temp files, large music file collections etc etc etc, or anyway, not every time you defrag C: - which you need do less often anyway. But you've heard all this before, haven't you George? ;-) Instead of thinking of partitioning as creating seperate 'drives', think of it as applying an attribute to My Documents that prevents it being deleted with Windows, even if you run FORMAT C: to do it. Shane "George Gee" wrote in message ... Keep it simple is my motto. It doesn't matter where you *move* your 'My Docs/My Data' folder to, a separate partition, a separate hard-drive, you still need to back it up! George Gee "Shane" wrote in message ... You're crazy too, eh? Shane "George Gee" wrote in message ... Looks like I sit with the 'Gals'! Although I do back-up daily, to an external hard-drive. George Gee |
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lol It wasn't anything to do with installing the program in fact on the
other machine which Kelly has now I used it because I was dual booting between XP and ME. This was all to do with when I first had this one which came pre-installed with XP, Noel knows all the problems I had with it at that time which is why I went with the format and clean install my own copy of XP and never bothered installing PM, I have a version 8 boxed edition of it and I think it is the version before it was bought out by you know who g I tend to keep this machine pretty lean I only keep ng postings for about two days before getting rid if I find any good posts they get copied to their own folder same with emails. Joan Shane wrote: Doesn't really matter, I suppose, if you religiously back your data up, Joan. I guess the irresponsibility comes in failing to do either - and I expect that one usually goes with the other. However, there are - as you know - significant advantages to not having just one big C: drive. You know that - assuming your problems stem from *installing* PM - it doesn't have to be installed, but it does take longer run from DOS. It takes long enough anyway, but from DOS takes so long a UPS would be a good idea. In fact, I've usually preferred to delete data rather than let PM move it, and delete the OS and just reinstall everything once the partitioning is done. Much less risk! Shane |
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"Mike M" wrote in message ... Old Geezer wrote: That's a new one on me. Why is not moving those things "irresponsible"? Because leaving them in the default locations means any Trojan or malware you have the misfortune to acquire will find them more easily than if relocated elsewhere. -- Mike Maltby Thanks, Mike. Actually these things presumably aren't applicable to my WinME machine since I keep it offline. (It has NEVER been online, just to avoid the dangers you mention.) Of course they would apply to my WinXP system, which I'm using now, but I think I have this pretty well protected by McAfee firewall and antivirus. In addition I usually disable the cable modem (Motorola SURFboard, has a button on top for this purpose) if I'm going to be away from the computer for more than a few minutes. Soon I'll be adding a router which as I understand it will add another layer of protection via the hardware firewall. Doesn't all that keep me safe from assorted malware? O.G. |
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"Mike M" wrote in message ... [ . . . ] In addition by keeping the system partition "lean and mean" defrags for example are much quicker to complete and have less of the restart problems experienced by many with large single partition systems. Further by relocating ones data on a second partition or drive makes reinstalling an OS far less of a problem in the event of major problems and ensures little or no loss of data. Similarly far less space is required to back up the system partition which means it may just get done a little more frequently than otherwise. :-) Thanks again, those are really good points. I've often thought about partitioning in connection with that first item, the faster defrags, but this only occurs to me when I've already started the long inefficient defrag and then I forget about it until next time. ;-) What sort of restart problems? Do I understand you correctly, that this means restart problems following a defrag? I don't recall having had anything like that. Yes, I can see that having a smaller system partition to back up makes a lot of sense. As for reinstalling the OS though, I may be missing something here. I have a lot of programs installed, and reinstalling the OS means losing the original registry, doesn't it? While I realize the registry itself can be backed up, isn't a reason for reinstalling likely to include something wrong *in* the registry, or at least an accumulation of useless junk there? I'll admit to being seriously out of my depth when it comes to the registry, and it's something I mean to learn more about. O.G. |
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What sort of restart problems?
Where defrag continually restarts due to something having changed a file on the partition being defragged and then bombing out because this has happened ten times. As for reinstalling the OS though, I may be missing something here. I have a lot of programs installed, and reinstalling the OS means losing the original registry, doesn't it? I don't understand your point here. Reinstall means just that, OS and applications so yes the registry will be rebuilt. However with a suitably backed up system partition it is far easier to simply restore the backup. For example I use BootIt NG and image my OS partitions weekly, for Win Me each is less than 2GB and for XP around 3.5GB. If I have problems I simply restore the appropriate backed up image, all without the loss of any volatile data. So much so that I have rarely if ever reinstalled an OS and apps on one of my production boxes, instead if I have problems I just restore an image, either a recent image or occasionally one made shortly after the initial install although in the latter case normally only to check out an idea after which I then re-load a more recent image. -- Mike Maltby Old Geezer wrote: Thanks again, those are really good points. I've often thought about partitioning in connection with that first item, the faster defrags, but this only occurs to me when I've already started the long inefficient defrag and then I forget about it until next time. ;-) What sort of restart problems? Do I understand you correctly, that this means restart problems following a defrag? I don't recall having had anything like that. Yes, I can see that having a smaller system partition to back up makes a lot of sense. As for reinstalling the OS though, I may be missing something here. I have a lot of programs installed, and reinstalling the OS means losing the original registry, doesn't it? While I realize the registry itself can be backed up, isn't a reason for reinstalling likely to include something wrong *in* the registry, or at least an accumulation of useless junk there? I'll admit to being seriously out of my depth when it comes to the registry, and it's something I mean to learn more about. O.G. |
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Shame you didn't do the partitioning before re-installing, Joan. More of a
shame that new computers with pre-installed systems aren't already partitioned. Why they aren't, Christ knows! The point I feel I have to make is that, even when a user does back up without fail, while not gaining large quantities of important data that can ill afford to be lost before the *next* backup, partitioning should still be recommended to others - because most people either do *not* backup religiously, and/or they have data that is very valuable indeed, for instance business-related, or maybe pictures of a recently-deceased loved one. Most people don't even seem to be aware that they *can* lose this data. The potential anguish is such that the sensible recommendation must be to prepare for the possibility of C: being wiped out. Backing up one's data (and verifying it's integrity!) before partitioning, eliminates any risk from the process so - if you stand to lose what you would protect if you could - there's no reason not to partition. The disk-operation efficiency arguments for moving folders to different drives are perfectly valid, but increasing data security is the clincher, I reckon. Shane "Joan Archer" wrote in message ... lol It wasn't anything to do with installing the program in fact on the other machine which Kelly has now I used it because I was dual booting between XP and ME. This was all to do with when I first had this one which came pre-installed with XP, Noel knows all the problems I had with it at that time which is why I went with the format and clean install my own copy of XP and never bothered installing PM, I have a version 8 boxed edition of it and I think it is the version before it was bought out by you know who g I tend to keep this machine pretty lean I only keep ng postings for about two days before getting rid if I find any good posts they get copied to their own folder same with emails. Joan Shane wrote: Doesn't really matter, I suppose, if you religiously back your data up, Joan. I guess the irresponsibility comes in failing to do either - and I expect that one usually goes with the other. However, there are - as you know - significant advantages to not having just one big C: drive. You know that - assuming your problems stem from *installing* PM - it doesn't have to be installed, but it does take longer run from DOS. It takes long enough anyway, but from DOS takes so long a UPS would be a good idea. In fact, I've usually preferred to delete data rather than let PM move it, and delete the OS and just reinstall everything once the partitioning is done. Much less risk! Shane |
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"Shane" wrote in message ... Shame you didn't do the partitioning before re-installing, Joan. ISRT making much the same comment at the time, Shane! It's worth noting that at one time most IBM's were partitioned - but the D: partition was not pointed to by any of the inbuilt software, and so the 10GB C: partition filled rather rapidly - leaving a 10-30GB D: partition totally empty!! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's |
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