gotta say.. so long ME

Hmm.. defeats the object/argument somewhat for binning WinMe in favour of
Ubuntu/Linux - especially on an 'older' box then g

Compared to Ubuntu, WinMe leaves it standing (at least on this old box)
hands down - and it works!

Mart


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:


May be that a 200MHz CPU and 256MB RAM just aren't adequate.

Bingo. The RAM is enough but the processor is a tad slow ;-)

Alias

You must be having a lot of idle time on your hands.
How about doing some needle work.

"Heather" wrote in message
...
DON'T BLOODY ENCOURAGE HIM!! He will be back here whining about how his
computer is somehow messed up. SMACK!!

"Shane" wrote in message
...
You generally get Lilo and Grub with Linux distros, Harry. That is, a
choice of two boot managers (as opposed to the reknowned gents
outfitters of New York, Paris, Milan, Trumpton and Camberwick Green).
Of course, if you're dualing it with XP that's three, and if you were
already using, say, PowerQuest's Boot Magic, that's four. If one of
your partitions is NT4.0 with DR-DOS, that's another two! I think six
the max I've had at once. You can boot your Windows volumes with
Lilo/Grub - though I never think as elegantly as with the NT loader.
Also you can end up with problems it takes experience to undo (or
paying someone to come round and get it up and running again).

Shane


webster72n wrote:
What "BootManager" is that, Mart?
Does it come with the Ubuntu OS as part of the package?
I'll have to look into that and then make the proper decisions.
You may want to subscribe to "alt.os.linux.ubuntu" at "nntp.aioe.org"
in order to find some answers to your situation.
And why doesn't it make any difference to install a seperate hard
drive? I've one ready to go, but don't really need it, according to
your estimate. Once I have the neccessary answers, I'll go ahead and
install my "Ubuntu" on drive E or F, both yet empty partitions on my
main hard drive, or the new HD.
With a "bit" of luck I should get there allright.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry wrote :-

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully,
successfully too, by
dual-booting.

Err... that's exactly what the 'boot manager' does Harry - allows
you to dual boot!

In my case, the 'new' Boot Manager has (invisibly) installed itself
on the C: and when booting gives a 'DOS type' menu offering to
continue to boot either Ubuntu (plus a couple of other options) or
WinMe. And, depending on which option I select, boots the
appropriate OS. WinMe on the C: and Ubuntu on the D: (Or as the
Boot Manager refers to them:- as (hd0,0) and (hd1,0) respectively)

If you try it Harry, just use ONE HDD.

And BTW, my v 6.06 is the LTS version!

Mart



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias
wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to
successfully install Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the
wrong forum but FWIW - I decided to install it on my D: drive
(WinMe being installed on the C: - which runs like a well oiled
clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I
can't get
rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually
recognises my PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but
won't let me connect. OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor
my ps/2 mouse either!!) so still doesn't connect. If I try to
re-edit the 'Networks' settings in v6.06, it won't reboot - just
hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought that I'd lived
thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading (and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a
candle to Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think
I'll stick with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and
Ubuntu can't co-exist.

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully,
successfully too, by
dual-booting. I am surprised, that Mart tried his adventure,
because you have called attention to it before, if I rmember
correctly. Think he might back up and give it another try? There
shouldn't be any conflicts between the two, if residing on seperate
drives.
Come to think of it, he also may have used the wrong version.
The one before me is ver. 6.06 LTS, sent to me directly from
"Yonder".

Harry.

Alias



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and
get around to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare
and install Ubuntu - your response makes it seem a bit more
worthwhile. It doesn't run too well on my old 200MMX with 256
MB of RAM, directly from the CD. Probably needs the 'virtual
memory' to get things to run a bit more effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD
or did
you have to download them from a completely different
(manufactures web site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've
installed Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on
System/Administration/Restricted Drivers Manager. It takes five
seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like
you would with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
snipped

Shane and Mart:

Surely appreciate your input on this one.
It should enable me to execute this "Ubuntu" thing.
But still am not in a rush for now.
Just getting ready.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
PS, Harry. Set the boot manager up on the same partition as Linux is
installed to.

I'm pretty sure - though it's been a long, long time, what with the fact
I'm
a control freak - that if left to the default it *will* install to the
root
of the disk, and cause problems eventually if you want to remove it and go
back to how things were - such as Mart is now enjoying, but far more so if
you usually boot with the NT loader. So, you need to do what I do, and it
is
not at all something for the novice, and just one more example of what I
keep saying, that Linux isn't ready to take on Windows. Because Windows is
where it is because of the novices being able to install it and run it
without having to take a course or pay someone to set it up. It would be
easier if more computers came with Linux pre-installed - but you have to
have M$ wealth to bribe and extort your way into *that* happy place, at
least these days. Still, with Windows, the novice in isolation isn't
likely
to grind to a halt after half an hour because they no longer understand
the
jargon.


Shane


Shane wrote:
You generally get Lilo and Grub with Linux distros, Harry. That is, a
choice of two boot managers (as opposed to the reknowned gents
outfitters of New York, Paris, Milan, Trumpton and Camberwick Green).
Of course, if you're dualing it with XP that's three, and if you were
already using, say, PowerQuest's Boot Magic, that's four. If one of your
partitions is NT4.0 with DR-DOS, that's another two! I think six
the max I've had at once. You can boot your Windows volumes with
Lilo/Grub - though I never think as elegantly as with the NT loader.
Also you can end up with problems it takes experience to undo (or
paying someone to come round and get it up and running again).

Shane


webster72n wrote:
What "BootManager" is that, Mart?
Does it come with the Ubuntu OS as part of the package?
I'll have to look into that and then make the proper decisions.
You may want to subscribe to "alt.os.linux.ubuntu" at "nntp.aioe.org"
in order to find some answers to your situation.
And why doesn't it make any difference to install a seperate hard
drive? I've one ready to go, but don't really need it, according to
your estimate. Once I have the neccessary answers, I'll go ahead and
install my "Ubuntu" on drive E or F, both yet empty partitions on my
main hard drive, or the new HD.
With a "bit" of luck I should get there allright.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry wrote :-

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully,
successfully too, by
dual-booting.

Err... that's exactly what the 'boot manager' does Harry - allows
you to dual boot!

In my case, the 'new' Boot Manager has (invisibly) installed itself
on the C: and when booting gives a 'DOS type' menu offering to
continue to boot either Ubuntu (plus a couple of other options) or
WinMe. And, depending on which option I select, boots the
appropriate OS. WinMe on the C: and Ubuntu on the D: (Or as the
Boot Manager refers to them:- as (hd0,0) and (hd1,0) respectively)

If you try it Harry, just use ONE HDD.

And BTW, my v 6.06 is the LTS version!

Mart



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Referring to my proposal to attempt to install Ubuntu, Alias
wrote :-

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Well, I'm sadly disappointed with my (many) attempts to
successfully install Ubuntu 6.06 (let alone 7.04). Probably the
wrong forum but FWIW - I decided to install it on my D: drive
(WinMe being installed on the C: - which runs like a well oiled
clock).

Big mistake! - It's installed a Boot Manager on the C: which I
can't get
rid
of - but that's another story - and a PITA.

v 6.06 runs (if that's the right word) very slowly, eventually
recognises my PCI WiFi card and subsequently sees my router but
won't let me connect. OTOH, v7.04 doesn't recognise the card (nor
my ps/2 mouse either!!) so still doesn't connect. If I try to
re-edit the 'Networks' settings in v6.06, it won't reboot - just
hangs until I re-install it. Jeepers! I thought that I'd lived
thru' enough hours watching spinning egg-timers loading (and
re-loading) MS OS's over the past years but they don't hold a
candle to Ubuntu.

Nah - Sorry Beryl, 'fraid you're going to have to wait. I think
I'll stick with WinMe (and XP of course) for a while longer yet.

Mart

Try putting a new hard drive in. I don't know but maybe Me and
Ubuntu can't co-exist.

That's exactly what I plan to do, Alias and, hopefully,
successfully too, by
dual-booting. I am surprised, that Mart tried his adventure,
because you have called attention to it before, if I rmember
correctly. Think he might back up and give it another try? There
shouldn't be any conflicts between the two, if residing on seperate
drives.
Come to think of it, he also may have used the wrong version.
The one before me is ver. 6.06 LTS, sent to me directly from
"Yonder".

Harry.

Alias



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:
Thanks Alias, I might now take Ubuntu a bit more seriously and
get around to opening one of my boxes, swap the HDD for a spare
and install Ubuntu - your response makes it seem a bit more
worthwhile. It doesn't run too well on my old 200MMX with 256
MB of RAM, directly from the CD. Probably needs the 'virtual
memory' to get things to run a bit more effectively.

BTW - did you find the 'restricted drivers' elsewhere on the CD
or did
you have to download them from a completely different
(manufactures web site?) source?

Mart
The restricted drivers for nVidia can be found once you've
installed Ubuntu 7.04 by clicking on
System/Administration/Restricted Drivers Manager. It takes five
seconds or so.

Also, for the codecs, etc. go to
http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/ind...e=Installation

Once you've downloaded it, just double click on the setup like
you would with Windows.

Once you've done all that, get back to me about Beryl.

Alias
snipped

Needle work??? Bwa ha ha!! You ARE showing your age. Women haven't
done that since the middle ages.

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

You must be having a lot of idle time on your hands.
How about doing some needle work.

"Heather" wrote in message
...

DON'T BLOODY ENCOURAGE HIM!! He will be back here whining about how
his computer is somehow messed up. SMACK!!

"Heather" wrote in message
...
Needle work??? Bwa ha ha!! You ARE showing your age. Women haven't
done that since the middle ages.

Exactly my point...


"webster72n" wrote in message
...

You must be having a lot of idle time on your hands.
How about doing some needle work.

"Heather" wrote in message
...

DON'T BLOODY ENCOURAGE HIM!! He will be back here whining about how
his computer is somehow messed up. SMACK!!

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

"Heather" wrote in message
...
Needle work??? Bwa ha ha!! You ARE showing your age. Women haven't
done that since the middle ages.

Exactly my point...

And that point is??? Do tell.


"webster72n" wrote in message
...

You must be having a lot of idle time on your hands.
How about doing some needle work.

"Heather" wrote in message
...

DON'T BLOODY ENCOURAGE HIM!! He will be back here whining about
how
his computer is somehow messed up. SMACK!!

You just need to match a suitable linux with the 200MHz CPU. Take a look at
MintLinux or D*mnSmallLinux

"Mart" wrote..
Hmm.. defeats the object/argument somewhat for binning WinMe in favour of
Ubuntu/Linux - especially on an 'older' box then g

Compared to Ubuntu, WinMe leaves it standing (at least on this old box)
hands down - and it works!

Mart wrote:
Hmm.. defeats the object/argument somewhat for binning WinMe in favour of
Ubuntu/Linux - especially on an 'older' box then g

Compared to Ubuntu, WinMe leaves it standing (at least on this old box)
hands down - and it works!

Mart

See Ogg's post.

Alias


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Mart wrote:

May be that a 200MHz CPU and 256MB RAM just aren't adequate.
Bingo. The RAM is enough but the processor is a tad slow ;-)

Alias

Mart wrote:


Harry, - if you're watching - DON'T go the two disk (dual boot) route. Just
start with an old 'spare' in place of the existing (known good and working)
C: and don't even consider a second disk at this stage! You can easily
replace the disk if Ubuntu goes pear-shaped and you'll have your (WinMe)
system back.

Mart

Excellent advice.

Alias

Mart wrote:


Harry, - if you're watching - DON'T go the two disk (dual boot) route. Just
start with an old 'spare' in place of the existing (known good and working)
C: and don't even consider a second disk at this stage! You can easily
replace the disk if Ubuntu goes pear-shaped and you'll have your (WinMe)
system back.

Mart

'Course if Ubuntu goes pear shaped, it's a helluva lot easier to
reinstall than Windows.

Alias