iTunes 7.3.2

Interesting Discussion. MEB, do you know if it is possible to run your Ipod
songs through Windows 98 SE and has anyone successfully accomplished this
task. I tried myself a while back with my Ipod Mini but did not have any
success.

"MEB" wrote:



"Angel" wrote in message
...
|
| "Vince" wrote in message
| ...
| On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:42:28 -0400, "Angel" wrote:
|
| Some podcasts do work without iTunes. Example: 1.1. Our teacher uses
the
| iTunes 7.3.2. I have tried his links without the iTunes and I could not
| get
| it. Maybe his link was wrong, I will keep trying. I found the iTunes
| 7.3.2
| by Googling it. The site said that Windows 2000 was required. The
newer
| version 7.4 requires XP or later.
|
| The real question is - where is he distributing his content? If it's
| only available from the Apple iTunes web site, it's iTunes only. If
| it's available from another web site, via RSS or some other vehicle,
| you should be able to download the content and access it with programs
| that work on Windows 98.
|
| What is the URI for his content/class notes?
|
| Vince,
| When I tried his link it took me to the download page from Apple.
It
| wanted you to download a later version. 7.4.
| Today I got an email from the help desk at the University with a link to
| download 7.3.2. I tried the link and it would not download that version.
The
| link is:
| http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/mo...44272&mode=inf
| Maybe you can try to find out if it will work. It took me to a page and
| would not even try to download.
| Thanks,
| Angel
|
|

Tried that link, no luck, though it will show info back to version 4.1
[2003].

Are you downloading TO an iPod, or are you trying from your hard drive, or
directly from the NET?

How about these for 98SE:

http://www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/ - costs
http://www.98-drivers.com/ipod.html - MUST donate 5 dollars

Or how about WinAMP?

ALL require that you have an iPod [proprietary format]...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

Dan, I don't know what you mean by "run your Ipod songs through Windows 98
SE" but you can use Xplay from www.mediafour.com to load mp3s on his nano on
his 98SE system. If by "Ipod songs" you mean "iTunes purchases" I don't
think they are playable on 98SE but I could be wrong. Good luck.


"Dan" wrote in message
...
Interesting Discussion. MEB, do you know if it is possible to run your
Ipod
songs through Windows 98 SE and has anyone successfully accomplished this
task. I tried myself a while back with my Ipod Mini but did not have any
success.

MEB,
I am not trying to download anything to the iTunes. I am trying to get
the notes that our professor downloads to iTunes. His podcasts of the
classes. You need the 7.3.2 version to get his notes. So that is as simple
as I can describe the problem. The Link that the dept. gave me won't work.
So I guess that the best I can do is try to get it up at the University. If
that does not work, then I am OOL! Oh, well, that's life!!
Angel

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...


"Angel" wrote in message
...
|
| "Vince" wrote in message
| ...
| On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:42:28 -0400, "Angel" wrote:
|
| Some podcasts do work without iTunes. Example: 1.1. Our teacher uses
the
| iTunes 7.3.2. I have tried his links without the iTunes and I could
not
| get
| it. Maybe his link was wrong, I will keep trying. I found the iTunes
| 7.3.2
| by Googling it. The site said that Windows 2000 was required. The
newer
| version 7.4 requires XP or later.
|
| The real question is - where is he distributing his content? If it's
| only available from the Apple iTunes web site, it's iTunes only. If
| it's available from another web site, via RSS or some other vehicle,
| you should be able to download the content and access it with programs
| that work on Windows 98.
|
| What is the URI for his content/class notes?
|
| Vince,
| When I tried his link it took me to the download page from
Apple.
It
| wanted you to download a later version. 7.4.
| Today I got an email from the help desk at the University with a link to
| download 7.3.2. I tried the link and it would not download that version.
The
| link is:
| http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/mo...44272&mode=inf
| Maybe you can try to find out if it will work. It took me to a page
and
| would not even try to download.
| Thanks,
| Angel
|
|

Tried that link, no luck, though it will show info back to version 4.1
[2003].

Are you downloading TO an iPod, or are you trying from your hard drive,
or
directly from the NET?

How about these for 98SE:

http://www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/ - costs
http://www.98-drivers.com/ipod.html - MUST donate 5 dollars

Or how about WinAMP?

ALL require that you have an iPod [proprietary format]...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

"Angel" wrote in message
...
| MEB,
| I am not trying to download anything to the iTunes. I am trying to
get
| the notes that our professor downloads to iTunes. His podcasts of the
| classes. You need the 7.3.2 version to get his notes. So that is as simple
| as I can describe the problem. The Link that the dept. gave me won't work.
| So I guess that the best I can do is try to get it up at the University.
If
| that does not work, then I am OOL! Oh, well, that's life!!
| Angel

Okay, that was already understood.
What I was indirectly trying to show was; that if one intends to attempt
iPod/iTunes usage in 9X/ME, one will likely need to use a *non-official*
program or pluggin during the attempt. Though the iPod can be used for
pretty much anything, i.e. from a mobile *hard drive* to a music/video
player [depending upon the hardware version/supported aspects], to provide
this in an *unsupported* OS like 9X apparently requires something other than
one of Apple's official versions.

Several parties on the NET are working on *pluggins* and/or programs to
allow such usage, but these will NEVER be official *Apple authorized* for
9X/ME as Apple never really intended such usage. Apple is also constantly
creating newer versions which apparently are NOT compatible with previous
versions. One could reasonably claim this is done to ensure Apple remains in
control of its products and software necessary to use them. One could also
raise claim that this may be an attempt to force iPod users to upgrade the
device. I have seen materials which claim Apple feels that four years [or
less] is the *life* of one of its devices.
That, of course, remains the major points of contention to the users of
Apple's products, be the user running 9X/ME or one of the officially
supported applications from Apple..

|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
|
|
| "Angel" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | "Vince" wrote in message
| | ...
| | On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:42:28 -0400, "Angel" wrote:
| |
| | Some podcasts do work without iTunes. Example: 1.1. Our teacher
uses
| the
| | iTunes 7.3.2. I have tried his links without the iTunes and I could
| not
| | get
| | it. Maybe his link was wrong, I will keep trying. I found the
iTunes
| | 7.3.2
| | by Googling it. The site said that Windows 2000 was required. The
| newer
| | version 7.4 requires XP or later.
| |
| | The real question is - where is he distributing his content? If
it's
| | only available from the Apple iTunes web site, it's iTunes only. If
| | it's available from another web site, via RSS or some other vehicle,
| | you should be able to download the content and access it with
programs
| | that work on Windows 98.
| |
| | What is the URI for his content/class notes?
| |
| | Vince,
| | When I tried his link it took me to the download page from
| Apple.
| It
| | wanted you to download a later version. 7.4.
| | Today I got an email from the help desk at the University with a link
to
| | download 7.3.2. I tried the link and it would not download that
version.
| The
| | link is:
| |
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/mo...44272&mode=inf
| | Maybe you can try to find out if it will work. It took me to a page
| and
| | would not even try to download.
| | Thanks,
| | Angel
| |
| |
|
| Tried that link, no luck, though it will show info back to version 4.1
| [2003].
|
| Are you downloading TO an iPod, or are you trying from your hard drive,
| or
| directly from the NET?
|
| How about these for 98SE:
|
| http://www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/ - costs
| http://www.98-drivers.com/ipod.html - MUST donate 5 dollars
|
| Or how about WinAMP?
|
| ALL require that you have an iPod [proprietary format]...
|
| --
| MEB
| ________
|

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...


"Angel" wrote in message
...
|
| "Vince" wrote in message
| ...
| On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:42:28 -0400, "Angel" wrote:
|
| Some podcasts do work without iTunes. Example: 1.1. Our teacher uses
the
| iTunes 7.3.2. I have tried his links without the iTunes and I could
not
| get
| it. Maybe his link was wrong, I will keep trying. I found the iTunes
| 7.3.2
| by Googling it. The site said that Windows 2000 was required. The
newer
| version 7.4 requires XP or later.
|
| The real question is - where is he distributing his content? If it's
| only available from the Apple iTunes web site, it's iTunes only. If
| it's available from another web site, via RSS or some other vehicle,
| you should be able to download the content and access it with programs
| that work on Windows 98.

All I know about it is that you need iTunes to get the podcast notes.
The instructions say, that "after you download the iTunes Version 7.3.2,
then restart the computer. Use the link again. Once you arrive at the
Univesity's region of the iTunes network, navigate to the Arts and Sciences
icon, click on that. then click on the course of his that you want, then
click on the podcast you want, and then it should start for you."
When I used his link it did not work. When I typed his link in the
address bar it came up at the Apple website to download the Version 7.4.
The link I sent you was the link from the Help Desk of the library not
his.This was the link that they said to use to download the Version 7.3.2.
Angel

|
| What is the URI for his content/class notes?
|
| Vince,
| When I tried his link it took me to the download page from
Apple.
It
| wanted you to download a later version. 7.4.
| Today I got an email from the help desk at the University with a link to
| download 7.3.2. I tried the link and it would not download that version.
The
| link is:
| http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/mo...44272&mode=inf
| Maybe you can try to find out if it will work. It took me to a page
and
| would not even try to download.
| Thanks,
| Angel
|
|

Tried that link, no luck, though it will show info back to version 4.1
[2003].

Are you downloading TO an iPod, or are you trying from your hard drive,
or
directly from the NET?

How about these for 98SE:

http://www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/ - costs
http://www.98-drivers.com/ipod.html - MUST donate 5 dollars

Or how about WinAMP?

ALL require that you have an iPod [proprietary format]...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

{in line below}

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...


"Angel" wrote in message
...
| MEB,
| I am not trying to download anything to the iTunes. I am trying to
get
| the notes that our professor downloads to iTunes. His podcasts of the
| classes. You need the 7.3.2 version to get his notes. So that is as
simple
| as I can describe the problem. The Link that the dept. gave me won't
work.
| So I guess that the best I can do is try to get it up at the University.
If
| that does not work, then I am OOL! Oh, well, that's life!!
| Angel

Okay, that was already understood.
What I was indirectly trying to show was; that if one intends to attempt
iPod/iTunes usage in 9X/ME, one will likely need to use a *non-official*
program or pluggin during the attempt. Though the iPod can be used for
pretty much anything, i.e. from a mobile *hard drive* to a music/video
player [depending upon the hardware version/supported aspects], to provide
this in an *unsupported* OS like 9X apparently requires something other
than
one of Apple's official versions.

Several parties on the NET are working on *pluggins* and/or programs to
allow such usage, but these will NEVER be official *Apple authorized* for
9X/ME as Apple never really intended such usage. Apple is also constantly
creating newer versions which apparently are NOT compatible with previous
versions. One could reasonably claim this is done to ensure Apple remains
in
control of its products and software necessary to use them. One could also
raise claim that this may be an attempt to force iPod users to upgrade the
device. I have seen materials which claim Apple feels that four years [or
less] is the *life* of one of its devices.
That, of course, remains the major points of contention to the users of
Apple's products, be the user running 9X/ME or one of the officially
supported applications from Apple..

|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
|
|
| "Angel" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | "Vince" wrote in message
| | ...
| | On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:42:28 -0400, "Angel"
wrote:
| |
| | Some podcasts do work without iTunes. Example: 1.1. Our teacher
uses
| the
| | iTunes 7.3.2. I have tried his links without the iTunes and I
could
| not
| | get
| | it. Maybe his link was wrong, I will keep trying. I found the
iTunes
| | 7.3.2
| | by Googling it. The site said that Windows 2000 was required.
The
| newer
| | version 7.4 requires XP or later.
| |
| | The real question is - where is he distributing his content? If
it's
| | only available from the Apple iTunes web site, it's iTunes only.
If
| | it's available from another web site, via RSS or some other
vehicle,
| | you should be able to download the content and access it with
programs
| | that work on Windows 98.
| |
| | What is the URI for his content/class notes?
| |
| | Vince,
| | When I tried his link it took me to the download page from
| Apple.
| It
| | wanted you to download a later version. 7.4.
| | Today I got an email from the help desk at the University with a
link
to
| | download 7.3.2. I tried the link and it would not download that
version.
| The
| | link is:
| |
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/mo...44272&mode=inf
| | Maybe you can try to find out if it will work. It took me to a
page
| and
| | would not even try to download.
| | Thanks,
| | Angel
| |
| |
|
| Tried that link, no luck, though it will show info back to version
4.1
| [2003].
|
| Are you downloading TO an iPod, or are you trying from your hard
drive,

No, I do not have an iPod. My teacher does.

| or
| directly from the NET?

From the NET, I guess.

|
| How about these for 98SE:
|
| http://www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/ - costs
| http://www.98-drivers.com/ipod.html - MUST donate 5 dollars
|
| Or how about WinAMP?
|
| ALL require that you have an iPod [proprietary format]...

What is *an iPod [proprietary format]*
|
| --
| MEB
| ________
|

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

Angel

4 years or less --- wow that makes Microsoft seem like a saint in comparison
with thier support of Windows 98 and 98 Second Edition from 1998/1999 until
July 11, 2006 which is really awesome on Microsoft's part in my opinion. Now
lest you think I am totally for Microsoft you must remember that I feel that
eliminating the 9x operating systems was Microsoft's major mistake and I know
Microsoft wanted to cut down on costs but with cutting down on costs
Microsoft allowed for hackers to attack their products more easily. I am
talking about how XP and even Vista which are NT (New Technology) based the
business source code as compared to the 9x consumer source code of 98 and 98
Second Edition. The surface attack area is much greater in these current NT
products because they provide many more opportunities of attack. Yes, Vista
is much more secure than XP but also is currently less backwards compatible
than XP. Yes, Vista has 256 bit cipher strength in Internet Explorer which
not even XP Professional has currently. You can just go to the help and
about tab to prove this fact that the cipher strength of IE 6 and 7 in
Windows XP Professional is still only 128 bit compared to 256 bit cipher
strength. I was really worried and freaked out before because it was so
scary to have someone hack or steal my password somehow through 128 bit
encryption of webmail.aps.edu and my email of . It was
also scary to have someone or many people --- I don't know --- hack through
my home computer which is connected via an ethernet wire so it is not
wireless and has full stealth status of at least over 1000 ports according to
the Shields Up Test at grc.com. This is really crazy since I am really
careful to read emails in plain texts, not open up attachments, use AVG
antivirus full scans frequently and it updates daily automatically as well as
using the protections of Spybot Search and Destroy and SpywareBlaster from
Majorgeeks.com. I think the person was able to take advantage of
vulnerability(ies) in Cisco VPN access which allowed me to acess the APS
(Albuquerque Public School) network at home and which I had been granted full
access from by Ken Cole who is the Director of Technology at APS schools.
Anyway, it seems the hack happened through the vulnerabilities in VPN
(Virtual Private Networking) access and the Department of Homeland security
website has mentioned some current vulnerabilites with Cisco VPN access that
may have been patched by now. I am an email subscriber now to the us-cert
site.
cut for length concerns

Excuse this, but this thread was splitting apart, so I cut and pasted from
your other answer to this one.

"Angel" wrote in message
...
| {in line below}
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| "Angel" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | "Vince" wrote in message
| | ...
| | On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:42:28 -0400, "Angel" wrote:
| |
| | Some podcasts do work without iTunes. Example: 1.1. Our teacher
uses
| the
| | iTunes 7.3.2. I have tried his links without the iTunes and I could
| not
| | get
| | it. Maybe his link was wrong, I will keep trying. I found the
iTunes
| | 7.3.2
| | by Googling it. The site said that Windows 2000 was required. The
| newer
| | version 7.4 requires XP or later.
| |
| | The real question is - where is he distributing his content? If
it's
| | only available from the Apple iTunes web site, it's iTunes only. If
| | it's available from another web site, via RSS or some other vehicle,
| | you should be able to download the content and access it with
programs
| | that work on Windows 98.
|
| All I know about it is that you need iTunes to get the podcast notes.
| The instructions say, that "after you download the iTunes Version 7.3.2,
| then restart the computer. Use the link again. Once you arrive at the
| Univesity's region of the iTunes network, navigate to the Arts and
Sciences
| icon, click on that. then click on the course of his that you want, then
| click on the podcast you want, and then it should start for you."
| When I used his link it did not work. When I typed his link in the
| address bar it came up at the Apple website to download the Version 7.4.
| The link I sent you was the link from the Help Desk of the library not
| his.This was the link that they said to use to download the Version 7.3.2.
| Angel

Again, understood. So as you were advised, if its on the Apple iTunes site
as a pod cast, either you find some software to access it or you will have
to access it from some other computer.

|
|
|
| "Angel" wrote in message
| ...
| | MEB,
| | I am not trying to download anything to the iTunes. I am trying
to
| get
| | the notes that our professor downloads to iTunes. His podcasts of the
| | classes. You need the 7.3.2 version to get his notes. So that is as
| simple
| | as I can describe the problem. The Link that the dept. gave me won't
| work.
| | So I guess that the best I can do is try to get it up at the
University.
| If
| | that does not work, then I am OOL! Oh, well, that's life!!
| | Angel
|
| Okay, that was already understood.
| What I was indirectly trying to show was; that if one intends to
attempt
| iPod/iTunes usage in 9X/ME, one will likely need to use a *non-official*
| program or pluggin during the attempt. Though the iPod can be used for
| pretty much anything, i.e. from a mobile *hard drive* to a music/video
| player [depending upon the hardware version/supported aspects], to
provide
| this in an *unsupported* OS like 9X apparently requires something other
| than
| one of Apple's official versions.
|
| Several parties on the NET are working on *pluggins* and/or programs to
| allow such usage, but these will NEVER be official *Apple authorized*
for
| 9X/ME as Apple never really intended such usage. Apple is also
constantly
| creating newer versions which apparently are NOT compatible with
previous
| versions. One could reasonably claim this is done to ensure Apple
remains
| in
| control of its products and software necessary to use them. One could
also
| raise claim that this may be an attempt to force iPod users to upgrade
the
| device. I have seen materials which claim Apple feels that four years
[or
| less] is the *life* of one of its devices.
| That, of course, remains the major points of contention to the users of
| Apple's products, be the user running 9X/ME or one of the officially
| supported applications from Apple..
|
| |
| | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| | ...
| |
| |
| http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/mo...44272&mode=inf
| | | Maybe you can try to find out if it will work. It took me to a
| page
| | and
| | | would not even try to download.
| | | Thanks,
| | | Angel
| | |
| | |
| |
| | Tried that link, no luck, though it will show info back to version
| 4.1
| | [2003].
| |
| | Are you downloading TO an iPod, or are you trying from your hard
| drive,
|
| No, I do not have an iPod. My teacher does.

Right, and there lay the problem. If you had an iPod then this discussion
would be leading in a different direction.

|
| | or
| | directly from the NET?
|
| From the NET, I guess.

Right, and off of Apple's own site apparently.

|
| |
| | How about these for 98SE:
| |
| | http://www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/ - costs
| | http://www.98-drivers.com/ipod.html - MUST donate 5 dollars
| |
| | Or how about WinAMP?
| |
| | ALL require that you have an iPod [proprietary format]...
|
| What is *an iPod [proprietary format]*

Hmm, think of it like a picture [bmp, gif, jpg, wmf, etc.], or sound [wav,
mp3, asf, ogg vorbis, aaif, etc.]. Each differing format requires a program
which supports that format.

Podcasts require something that can decrypt/interpret the format. Though
there are other *podcasts* [non-Apple formats] the ones you're trying to
access:

1. Are on an Apple forum/site.

2. Were created with Apple's software in its format.

2. And the site checks for iTunes on your computer.

How?
Here you need to think of something like Adobe Reader. When you access a
site with a PDF, the Reader is called via its BHO hook to access, decode,
and view the PDF. If you haven't installed Adobe Reader [or a program that
provides that function AND places a hook] then the site link errors. Your
only option is to download the PDF, and use some other local PDF viewing
program to open it.

Same holds true for iTunes/iPodCasts. IF [emphasis] it were possible to
access the podcast and download it to your computer, then you could use some
program [which supports that format] to view/listen to the teacher's
lecture. OR you have to search for some *player* which supports the
iPod/iTunes format, works in 98 AND could pass the site check [not likely].

Apparently though, as the intended podcasts are on Apple [or some
subsidiary], likely someone else would have to access the files and download
them for you since you will fail the installed iTunes\iPod software
installation check for the site. I checked iTunesU, and could find no public
*backdoor* area [even the xml page requires iTunes]. Or as you have
suggested, perhaps the school's library or computer area can be used to do
so..

If you could then tranfer that downloaded lecture/class notes to some
mobile storage device, you could possibly then use a non-official PodCast
viewer/player on your 98 system after loading on your hard drive.. however,
you may have another stumbling block: requires QuickTime [7.1.6], though
perhaps that has also been addressed within an unofficial application ...

Here's another one.
http://www.yamipod.com
http://www.yamipod.com/main/modules/docs/

Anyway, seems we've come to a close on the issue. SOL

| |
| | --
| | MEB
| | ________
| |
|
| --
| MEB
| ________
|
| Angel
|

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

Ah Dan, having been both side of the coin hacker/security, I'll make this
brief.

There is no truly unbreakable security. The only way the government has
found is to completely destroy all materials, and run a separate network
from any public access. Even then security can and has been breached.

A network ALWAYS has tracks to follow.

However, posting as you do, it is no wonder that you were attacked. Likely
some beginning hacker, cutting their teeth...
I mean nothing personal, just that you need to get a little more savvy out
here, and calm down. There was an old saying: "Loose lips sink ships."

As for Cisco issues, yes, I had posted that in this group.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________

Thanks MEB.

"MEB" wrote:

Ah Dan, having been both side of the coin hacker/security, I'll make this
brief.

There is no truly unbreakable security. The only way the government has
found is to completely destroy all materials, and run a separate network
from any public access. Even then security can and has been breached.

A network ALWAYS has tracks to follow.

However, posting as you do, it is no wonder that you were attacked. Likely
some beginning hacker, cutting their teeth...
I mean nothing personal, just that you need to get a little more savvy out
here, and calm down. There was an old saying: "Loose lips sink ships."

As for Cisco issues, yes, I had posted that in this group.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________