Large Word files and 98SE

Word and Win98SE problems

I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
these files)

There are two interesting problems:

1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

On copying and pasting:

a) Nothing happens for around a minute
b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

Any ideas welcome.

(I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
Graham

Graham C wrote:
Word and Win98SE problems

I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
these files)

There are two interesting problems:

1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

On copying and pasting:

a) Nothing happens for around a minute
b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

Any ideas welcome.

(I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
Graham

Graham,

did you try doing the copy operation from the command line? There's a
lot less overhead involved.

Mike

Graham C wrote:
Word and Win98SE problems

I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
these files)

There are two interesting problems:

1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

On copying and pasting:

a) Nothing happens for around a minute
b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

Any ideas welcome.

(I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
Graham

Here are some other ideas:

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000619.htm

http://lifehacker.com/software/featu...opy-263492.php

http://www.copyhandler.com/en/downloads/index.php

http://supercopier.sfxteam.org/modul...f3ad6b154abc29


http://www.codesector.com/teracopy.php

Copy your files faster and easier

TeraCopy is a compact program designed to copy and move files at the
maximum possible speed, providing the user a lot of features:

* Copy files faster. TeraCopy uses dynamically adjusted buffers to
reduce seek times. Asynchronous copy speeds up file transfer between two
physical hard drives.
* Pause and resume file transfers. Pause copy process at any time to
free up system resources and continue with a single click.
* Error recovery. In case of copy error, TeraCopy will try several times
and in the worse case just skips the file, not terminating the entire
transfer.
* Interactive file list. TeraCopy shows failed file transfers and lets
you fix the problem and recopy only problem files.
* Shell integration. TeraCopy can completely replace Explorer copy and
move functions, allowing you work with files as usual.
* Full Unicode support.

If you find that one of them works significantly faster please let us
know the numbers.

Thanks,
Mike

Hello!

"Graham C" wrote in message ...
Word and Win98SE problems
1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:

(I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)

1. Uninstall anti virus and test again
2. Disable spell checking in Word

BTW, does the file that opens slowly has many objects
(for example: formulas)?


Regards, Roman

P.S What antivirus do you use, maybe NOD32 ???

"Graham C" wrote in message ...
Word and Win98SE problems

I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
these files)


On copying and pasting:

a) Nothing happens for around a minute
b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.

Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.

What version Office/Word? Just a WAG, but something worth trying is to
disable Find Fast. The fact that renaming the file to *.tmp "fixes" the problem,
suggests that Office underfootware may be to blame.

OFF97: How to Disable the Find Fast Indexer
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=158705&sd=RMVP

"Graham C" wrote in message
...
| Word and Win98SE problems
|
| I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
| 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
| Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
| these files)
|
| There are two interesting problems:
|
| 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
| clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
| open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures, formatting
[type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the
number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents which
contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like, are
considered complex.

|
| 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
| an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
| with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:
|
| On copying and pasting:
|
| a) Nothing happens for around a minute
| b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
| c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
| d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
| 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.
|
| Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.
|
| Any ideas welcome.
|
| (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
| Graham

PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and
'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it.
Also it would be conducive to know:
The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and whether
you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger Office
package.
Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both located
in StartUp}
And your present update status of Windows 98SE.

There a number of other potential issues that may be involved including:
large number of other startup/running apps; fragmentation statue of the
drives; networking; browser dlls in use; other system dlls, and shell32.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

MEB wrote:
"Graham C" wrote in message
...
| Word and Win98SE problems
|
| I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
| 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
| Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
| these files)
|
| There are two interesting problems:
|
| 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
| clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
| open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.

Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures, formatting
[type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the
number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents which
contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like, are
considered complex.

|
| 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
| an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
| with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:
|
| On copying and pasting:
|
| a) Nothing happens for around a minute
| b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
| c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
| d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
| 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.
|
| Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.
|
| Any ideas welcome.
|
| (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
| Graham

PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and
'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it.
Also it would be conducive to know:
The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and whether
you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger Office
package.
Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both located
in StartUp}
And your present update status of Windows 98SE.

There a number of other potential issues that may be involved including:
large number of other startup/running apps; fragmentation statue of the
drives; networking; browser dlls in use; other system dlls, and shell32.

http://wordtips.vitalnews.com/Pages/...Documents.html

http://www.omgili.com/newsgroups/mic...orum:yedda.com
(last msg)

"mscir" wrote in message
...
| MEB wrote:
| "Graham C" wrote in message
| ...
| | Word and Win98SE problems
| |
| | I am currently working with a number of large .DOC files, typically
| | 400 pages, lots of photos and diagrams etc. They are between 5 and 60
| | Meg in size (I know I'm a glutton for punishment, but I didn't create
| | these files)
| |
| | There are two interesting problems:
| |
| | 1) One 50 Meg file always opens in around 10 secs when it is double
| | clicked. Another file of a similar size takes around three minutes to
| | open. In each case the PC was clean booted from cold.
|
| Difference are generally be due to embedded objects, pictures,
formatting
| [type, indexes, TOC, tables, etc.], number of *complex* aspects and the
| number of times itr has been modified [document tracking]. Documents
which
| contain TOCs, indexes, Excel or other files, scripting, and the like,
are
| considered complex.
|
| |
| | 2) I can copy small files from drive to drive with no problem. With
| | an 8 Meg DOC file it takes a little longer - typically 20 seconds. But
| | with a DOC file greater than about 10 Meg:
| |
| | On copying and pasting:
| |
| | a) Nothing happens for around a minute
| | b) Then a dialog box appears stating 'copying - 3 mins left'
| | c) After about five minutes, still '3 minutes left'
| | d) After about ten minutes either it has completed, or its changed to
| | 62,432(etc) mins left, or the PC has locked up.
| |
| | Now if I rename the big file to a .TMP it copies in seconds.
| |
| | Any ideas welcome.
| |
| | (I've disabled virus checkers etc for these tests)
| | Graham
|
| PCMAG offered a tool called "unfrag complex files" which reset and
| 'defragged' complex Word documents. Might want to locate it.
| Also it would be conducive to know:
| The version of Word being discussed, its present update state, and
whether
| you are using Word alone or was it installed as part of the bigger
Office
| package.
| Are you still running Find Fast and Office Startup {OSA.exe} {both
located
| in StartUp}
| And your present update status of Windows 98SE.
|
| There a number of other potential issues that may be involved
including:
| large number of other startup/running apps; fragmentation status of the
| drives; networking; browser dlls in use; other system dlls, and shell32.
|
|
http://wordtips.vitalnews.com/Pages/...Documents.html
|
|
http://www.omgili.com/newsgroups/mic...orum:yedda.com
| (last msg)
|

Both of those provide some good information, as far as they go... but
individual systems and usage determine the particular issues that may be
involved.

For instance: some have found that even though no errors are occurring at
Word startup, when they delete the normal dot, after it rebuilds they might
find that documents are handled faster; others have found that turning off
document tracking and other document specific 'protections and monitoring'
also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and myself}
have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load times;
disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so any
number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's needs
and/or document.

However, these are determined on an individual basis,,, examples: Some NEED
document tracking and synchronization turned on when more than one party is
modifying a specific document so there aren't multiple instances/versions of
the same areas modified. Additionally, if say, an Excel file was used and it
included need to auto check for an updated table, that would be checked and
would slow the document load as an updated table was searched for.

Moreover, as Office applications embed themselves deeply into the user's
system, configurations of the programs CAN have a significant impact on the
entire system, particularly as they *communicate* with themselves and other
applications [such as when moving or copying files], so here again are
potential issues,,, and, perhaps, another application has reset or modified
an original Office application setting or registry entry, or replaced one of
its files. These can also have significant impact..

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

TYPOS -
| also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and myself}
| have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load times;
| disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so any
| number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's needs
| and/or document.

The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or "decreased"
{now where was it that I put my brain today}
--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
TYPOS -
| also increased load times [which is a 'duh' moment]; others {and
myself}
| have found that using that *unfrag* program does increase load
times;
| disabling both Find Fast and OSA also increased load times; etc.. so
any
| number of settings and 'fixes' may be relevant to an individual's
needs
| and/or document.

The above "increase" or "increased" should be "decrease" or
"decreased"
{now where was it that I put my brain today}
--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________



Funny! Helpful tips BTW

I got one DOC file which began to suddenly load slowly, back to loading
in an instant.