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Old December 11th 07, 01:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
ms
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Default A problem using Bing

My intent is to format a P166 for use as a DOS computer.
It had W95, a prior uninstall of Norton AV caused error screens so I had to
format.

When I tried a W95 boot disk, format, got error: insufficient memory to
load system files.

I then ran Bing, it did format, I rebooted with the W95 boot disk, at A:,
entered C:, no C:.

Ran Bing again, named the drive C, but see legend that the drive is not
available to anything as it has Bing installed on it.

Then rebooted with W95 boot disk, message: can't find Bing, assume it wants
the Bing boot disk.

I need to wind up with a C drive for DOS, and have created something else.

Advice?

ms
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Old December 11th 07, 03:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
glee
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Default A problem using Bing

Uninstall BING, per the detailed instructions he
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/...BootIt-NG.html


In the future, if you just need to use BING for partition work you do not need to
install it on the hard drive, which is apparently what you did.

Simply boot with the BING floppy, when prompted to Install, click Cancel, and enter
Maintenance Mode.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+


"ms" wrote in message ...
My intent is to format a P166 for use as a DOS computer.
It had W95, a prior uninstall of Norton AV caused error screens so I had to
format.

When I tried a W95 boot disk, format, got error: insufficient memory to
load system files.

I then ran Bing, it did format, I rebooted with the W95 boot disk, at A:,
entered C:, no C:.

Ran Bing again, named the drive C, but see legend that the drive is not
available to anything as it has Bing installed on it.

Then rebooted with W95 boot disk, message: can't find Bing, assume it wants
the Bing boot disk.

I need to wind up with a C drive for DOS, and have created something else.

Advice?

ms


  #3  
Old December 11th 07, 04:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Default A problem using Bing

ms wrote:
| My intent is to format a P166 for use as a DOS computer.
| It had W95, a prior uninstall of Norton AV caused error screens so I
| had to format.
|
| When I tried a W95 boot disk, format, got error: insufficient memory
| to load system files.

Well, here's an article that mentions that...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/177864
Insufficient Memory to Load System Files

.......Quote the article..............
SYMPTOMS
When you try to format your hard disk, you may receive the following
error message:
Insufficient memory to load system files.
Format terminated.

CAUSE
This problem can occur if either of the following conditions exists:
• You attempt to format your hard disk using the "format c: /q/u/s/v"
command at a command prompt, and there is not enough free conventional
memory to use the /s parameter (switch).
• You start your computer using the Windows Startup disk and then
attempt to format your hard disk.

RESOLUTION
To work around this problem, use the appropriate method below:
• Do not use the /s parameter (switch) with the Format command. After
the format process is finished, transfer the system files to the hard
disk using the SYS C: command.
• If you are using Windows 98, restart your computer using the Windows
98 Startup disk, choose Start Computer With CD-ROM Support on the
Microsoft Windows 98 Startup menu, and then use the FORMAT command to
format your hard disk.

STATUS
Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products
that are listed at the beginning of this article.
.......EOQ................................

| I then ran Bing, it did format, I rebooted with the W95 boot disk, at
| A:, entered C:, no C:.

BING, if I recall correctly, doesn't have a separate FORMAT command. The
format is done automatically after a partition is created, if it is a
FAT partition.

| Ran Bing again, named the drive C, but see legend that the drive is
| not available to anything as it has Bing installed on it.

It isn't the name of the partition that matters. It's the letter. You
can't assign the letter, that's automatic by these rules...
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters

| Then rebooted with W95 boot disk, message: can't find Bing, assume it
| wants the Bing boot disk.

I'm not sure exactly what you did with BING. Could it be you created
something that was not a FAT partition?

| I need to wind up with a C drive for DOS, and have created something
| else.
|
| Advice?

Maybe...

(1) Boot the BING floppy, & get into the Work with Partitions Screen.
Do that by clicking CANCEL at the Install Requestor.
(2) Uninstall BING from the hard drive, if you've installed it.
(If you can, do this before step one.)
(3) Delete the partition you created earlier, if still there.

Now, create your partition. Make sure it is a FAT partition. Make sure
it is a Primary partition. If you use BING to do it, you won't have to
FORMAT it. If you use the Windows Startup Diskette to create the
partition with FDISK, then you must reboot & format it. If there is only
one partition, it will be C: after that reboot.

| ms

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



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Old December 12th 07, 12:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
ms
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Default A problem using Bing

"glee" wrote in
:

Uninstall BING, per the detailed instructions he
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/...l-Information/
article/How-to-Uninstall-BootIt-NG.html


In the future, if you just need to use BING for partition work you do
not need to install it on the hard drive, which is apparently what you
did.

Simply boot with the BING floppy, when prompted to Install, click
Cancel, and enter Maintenance Mode.


Thanks, Glen

Initially, Bing wanted to install to the hard drive, should have not done
that. The link you gave me was good, lots of Bing data.

It states that Uninstall is only available if Bing is installed on the
hard drive, which it had done. But Utilities/Uninstall is greyed out. I
dunno. I looked through the data, don't find that combination.

If I remove the Bing floppy, reboot, the screen asks for it, even though
it installed to the hard drive. I can't bootup w/o the Bing floppy.

Please refer to my reply to PCR for the DOS part.

ms
  #5  
Old December 12th 07, 12:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
ms
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Default A problem using Bing

"PCR" wrote in news:uLn7cd6OIHA.1188
@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

ms wrote:
| My intent is to format a P166 for use as a DOS computer.
| It had W95, a prior uninstall of Norton AV caused error screens so I
| had to format.
|
| When I tried a W95 boot disk, format, got error: insufficient memory
| to load system files.

Well, here's an article that mentions that...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/177864
Insufficient Memory to Load System Files

......Quote the article..............
SYMPTOMS
When you try to format your hard disk, you may receive the following
error message:
Insufficient memory to load system files.
Format terminated.

CAUSE
This problem can occur if either of the following conditions exists:
• You attempt to format your hard disk using the "format c: /q/u/s/v"
command at a command prompt, and there is not enough free conventional
memory to use the /s parameter (switch).
• You start your computer using the Windows Startup disk and then
attempt to format your hard disk.

RESOLUTION
To work around this problem, use the appropriate method below:
• Do not use the /s parameter (switch) with the Format command. After
the format process is finished, transfer the system files to the hard
disk using the SYS C: command.
• If you are using Windows 98, restart your computer using the Windows
98 Startup disk, choose Start Computer With CD-ROM Support on the
Microsoft Windows 98 Startup menu, and then use the FORMAT command to
format your hard disk.

STATUS
Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft

products
that are listed at the beginning of this article.
......EOQ................................

| I then ran Bing, it did format, I rebooted with the W95 boot disk, at
| A:, entered C:, no C:.

BING, if I recall correctly, doesn't have a separate FORMAT command.

The
format is done automatically after a partition is created, if it is a
FAT partition.

Thanks, PCR

That explains the error screen, if I can get back there, I'll try that.

Format is a Bing command in Maintenance Mode.

| Ran Bing again, named the drive C, but see legend that the drive is
| not available to anything as it has Bing installed on it.

It isn't the name of the partition that matters. It's the letter. You
can't assign the letter, that's automatic by these rules...
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters

Sorry, bad sleep, or would have remembered.

| Then rebooted with W95 boot disk, message: can't find Bing, assume it
| wants the Bing boot disk.

I'm not sure exactly what you did with BING. Could it be you created
something that was not a FAT partition?

When I got the (turns out) standard error screen above, then I tried Bing
to work with the hard disk.
Bing formatted as a FAT 32 partition.

| I need to wind up with a C drive for DOS, and have created something
| else.
|
| Advice?

Maybe...

(1) Boot the BING floppy, & get into the Work with Partitions Screen.
Do that by clicking CANCEL at the Install Requestor.
(2) Uninstall BING from the hard drive, if you've installed it.
(If you can, do this before step one.)


As I replied to Glen, there is where I'm stopped. At this point, can't
uninstall Bing.

(3) Delete the partition you created earlier, if still there.

Now, create your partition. Make sure it is a FAT partition. Make sure
it is a Primary partition. If you use BING to do it, you won't have to
FORMAT it. If you use the Windows Startup Diskette to create the
partition with FDISK, then you must reboot & format it. If there is

only
one partition, it will be C: after that reboot.


I would do that if I could.

I tried the W95 startup disk again, can use a W98 disk but believe the
results would be the same. I wind up at A prompt, but it does not
recognize C until I can get rid of Bing.

ms

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Old December 12th 07, 03:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
glee
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Default A problem using Bing

"ms" wrote in message ...
"glee" wrote in
:

Uninstall BING, per the detailed instructions he
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/...l-Information/
article/How-to-Uninstall-BootIt-NG.html


In the future, if you just need to use BING for partition work you do
not need to install it on the hard drive, which is apparently what you
did.

Simply boot with the BING floppy, when prompted to Install, click
Cancel, and enter Maintenance Mode.


Thanks, Glen

Initially, Bing wanted to install to the hard drive, should have not done
that. The link you gave me was good, lots of Bing data.

It states that Uninstall is only available if Bing is installed on the
hard drive, which it had done. But Utilities/Uninstall is greyed out. I
dunno. I looked through the data, don't find that combination.

If I remove the Bing floppy, reboot, the screen asks for it, even though
it installed to the hard drive. I can't bootup w/o the Bing floppy.

Please refer to my reply to PCR for the DOS part.


from
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/...reyed-Out.html

"Uninstall Option is Greyed Out

"If you wish to uninstall BootIt NG, but the Uninstall... option under the Utilities
menu in BootIt NG is greyed out, you have two options, each of which will make the
Uninstall... option available within BootIt NG:
Boot into the copy of BootIt NG installed on the hard drive.

"If you installed BootIt NG from a diskette, you can boot from that same diskette,
and choose the Access BootIt NG Partition option on the floppy boot menu."

If you still have problems, post in the BootIt NG newsgroups or web forum:
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/oehelp.html
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/webnews.html
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/

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Old December 12th 07, 05:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lil' Dave
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Default A problem using Bing

"ms" wrote in message
...
My intent is to format a P166 for use as a DOS computer.
It had W95, a prior uninstall of Norton AV caused error screens so I had
to
format.

When I tried a W95 boot disk, format, got error: insufficient memory to
load system files.

I then ran Bing, it did format, I rebooted with the W95 boot disk, at A:,
entered C:, no C:.

Ran Bing again, named the drive C, but see legend that the drive is not
available to anything as it has Bing installed on it.

Then rebooted with W95 boot disk, message: can't find Bing, assume it
wants
the Bing boot disk.

I need to wind up with a C drive for DOS, and have created something else.

Advice?

ms


Read replies to date. My memory is hazy, but here goes. Believe win95 and
version A don't understand FAT32. Version B and C do. (If I remember
correctly).

A "dos computer" could mean any version of msdos. That, in itself, may be
problem concerning a FAT32 partition. Depending of course of the version of
msdos you're talking about. (You left that out, hmmmm). Guess its the same
old story/different day, eh?
Dave


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Old December 12th 07, 03:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
ms
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Default A problem using Bing

"Lil' Dave" wrote in
:

"ms" wrote in message
...
My intent is to format a P166 for use as a DOS computer.
It had W95, a prior uninstall of Norton AV caused error screens so I
had to
format.

When I tried a W95 boot disk, format, got error: insufficient memory
to load system files.

I then ran Bing, it did format, I rebooted with the W95 boot disk, at
A:, entered C:, no C:.

Ran Bing again, named the drive C, but see legend that the drive is
not available to anything as it has Bing installed on it.

Then rebooted with W95 boot disk, message: can't find Bing, assume it
wants
the Bing boot disk.

I need to wind up with a C drive for DOS, and have created something
else.

Advice?

ms


Read replies to date. My memory is hazy, but here goes. Believe
win95 and version A don't understand FAT32. Version B and C do. (If
I remember correctly).


Bing formatted, so W95 is gone.
Your comment explains why in Bing it reported one partition as FAT-16.
But I hope to start over, Fdisk, format

A "dos computer" could mean any version of msdos. That, in itself,
may be problem concerning a FAT32 partition. Depending of course of
the version of msdos you're talking about. (You left that out,
hmmmm). Guess its the same old story/different day, eh?
Dave

That's later, after the above, it will be DOS 6.22 for old DOS games.

ms
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Old December 12th 07, 03:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
ms
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Default A problem using Bing

"glee" wrote in
:

"ms" wrote in message
...
"glee" wrote in
:

Uninstall BING, per the detailed instructions he
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/...ral-Informatio
n/ article/How-to-Uninstall-BootIt-NG.html


In the future, if you just need to use BING for partition work you
do not need to install it on the hard drive, which is apparently
what you did.

Simply boot with the BING floppy, when prompted to Install, click
Cancel, and enter Maintenance Mode.


Thanks, Glen

Initially, Bing wanted to install to the hard drive, should have not
done that. The link you gave me was good, lots of Bing data.

It states that Uninstall is only available if Bing is installed on
the hard drive, which it had done. But Utilities/Uninstall is greyed
out. I dunno. I looked through the data, don't find that combination.

If I remove the Bing floppy, reboot, the screen asks for it, even
though it installed to the hard drive. I can't bootup w/o the Bing
floppy.

Please refer to my reply to PCR for the DOS part.


from
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/...e/Uninstall-Op
tion-is-Greyed-Out.html

"Uninstall Option is Greyed Out

"If you wish to uninstall BootIt NG, but the Uninstall... option under
the Utilities menu in BootIt NG is greyed out, you have two options,
each of which will make the Uninstall... option available within
BootIt NG: Boot into the copy of BootIt NG installed on the hard
drive.

"If you installed BootIt NG from a diskette, you can boot from that
same diskette, and choose the Access BootIt NG Partition option on the
floppy boot menu."

If you still have problems, post in the BootIt NG newsgroups or web
forum: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/oehelp.html
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/webnews.html


Thanks, Glen

I will post back.

ms
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Old December 12th 07, 07:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
ms
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Default A problem using Bing

"glee" wrote in
:

"ms" wrote in message
...
"glee" wrote in
:

Uninstall BING, per the detailed instructions he
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/...ral-Informatio
n/ article/How-to-Uninstall-BootIt-NG.html


In the future, if you just need to use BING for partition work you
do not need to install it on the hard drive, which is apparently
what you did.

Simply boot with the BING floppy, when prompted to Install, click
Cancel, and enter Maintenance Mode.


Thanks, Glen

Initially, Bing wanted to install to the hard drive, should have not
done that. The link you gave me was good, lots of Bing data.

It states that Uninstall is only available if Bing is installed on
the hard drive, which it had done. But Utilities/Uninstall is greyed
out. I dunno. I looked through the data, don't find that combination.

If I remove the Bing floppy, reboot, the screen asks for it, even
though it installed to the hard drive. I can't bootup w/o the Bing
floppy.

Please refer to my reply to PCR for the DOS part.


from
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/...e/Uninstall-Op
tion-is-Greyed-Out.html

"Uninstall Option is Greyed Out

"If you wish to uninstall BootIt NG, but the Uninstall... option under
the Utilities menu in BootIt NG is greyed out, you have two options,
each of which will make the Uninstall... option available within
BootIt NG: Boot into the copy of BootIt NG installed on the hard
drive.

That is what I did first, where Uninstall is greyed out.

"If you installed BootIt NG from a diskette, you can boot from that
same diskette, and choose the Access BootIt NG Partition option on the
floppy boot menu."

I see that menu, but all is greyed out except Upgrade BootIt.

From what it shows, getting the above menu suggests installed from a
floppy. But the hard drive inaccessible now is due to Bing being
installed on the hard drive. ??.

If you still have problems, post in the BootIt NG newsgroups or web
forum: http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/oehelp.html
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/webnews.html


I found on those links an inactive support forum, public.apps.bootitng,
last posts in July 2005, but my newsgroup server shows no public*
newsgroups.

In Uninstall in the manual, I found this:
---------
If your system boots the incorrect partition or won’t boot at all, then
you can use FDISK to set the correct partition active or you can use the
BootIt NG floppy disk to set the correct partition active ....snip
------------

The C partition is presently set Active.

Fdisk does not now see C. Having looked at either hard drive install or
floppy install, each Uninstall option seems to lead to a dead end, with
greyed out options.

Is there some way in DOS, starting with a boot floppy, to remove Bing and
recover the C drive?

Thanks

ms
 




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