Win98 to win98se?

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:17:10 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:

Nina DiBoy wrote:

But I only have the win98 install cd.

Windows 98 second edition CD is readily available via torrent.

Don't waste your time installing 98 original edition.

You can get in trouble with microsoft for using torrents. This usenet
group is hosted by them.



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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:44:41 -0500, The poster formerly known as 'The
Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy' wrote:

I have an old laptop I put win98 on, but I am hoping to upgrade it to
win98se to have USB support. But I only have the win98 install cd. Is
such a thing possible? Would this happen through windows update?
Thanks.

also u-lite definitely supports usb, and is completely supported and
updateable. See my signature.



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No Alternative wrote:

Windows 98 second edition CD is readily available via torrent.

Don't waste your time installing 98 original edition.

You can get in trouble with microsoft for using torrents.

No you can't.

Who told you that?

Microsoft would never know that you downloaded win-98 from a torrent.

This usenet group is hosted by them.

No, this usenet group is NOT HOSTED by Micro$oft.

This usenet group is *carried* by microsoft's usenet server, and it is
also carried by hundreds or thousands of other usenet servers around the
world - none of which have any specific ability to censor or control
this group or impose rules which other servers must follow.

For example, I do not read or post messages to this newsgroup by
accessing the microsoft server - and neither do you.

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:10 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:

No Alternative wrote:

Windows 98 second edition CD is readily available via torrent.

Don't waste your time installing 98 original edition.

You can get in trouble with microsoft for using torrents.

No you can't.

Who told you that?

Microsoft would never know that you downloaded win-98 from a torrent.

then why do people get prosecuted for downloading and hosting there
software illegally?

This usenet group is hosted by them.

No, this usenet group is NOT HOSTED by Micro$oft.

This usenet group is *carried* by microsoft's usenet server, and it is
also carried by hundreds or thousands of other usenet servers around the
world - none of which have any specific ability to censor or control
this group or impose rules which other servers must follow.

For example, I do not read or post messages to this newsgroup by
accessing the microsoft server - and neither do you.

Nobody said anything about whether they can censor it, but their lawyers
often threaten people in these group, so why tell the person to do
somethings that can get them into trouble, because it is illegal?





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No Alternative wrote:

You can get in trouble with microsoft for using torrents.

No you can't.

Who told you that?

Microsoft would never know that you downloaded win-98 from a torrent.

then why do people get prosecuted for downloading and hosting there
software illegally?

Microsoft goes after companies that are using their software without
paying for it because former employees snitch on them.

Only music and movie companies go after home internet users who make
music and movies available via torrent (and they stopped doing that 6
months ago). Microsoft doesn't go after home users who are downloading
windows 98 from a torrent.

And if you're worried about it, just install Peer Guardian and then
microsoft really won't be able to see you (but they're not looking
anyways).

Downloading microsoft software via torrent isin't illegal.

Technically, only installing the software can be "illegal" if you don't
have a valid product key (ie license). If you have a valid product key,
then microsoft can't charge you for anything, and neither can the
courts. Simply possessing the software, or making it available to
others via torrent, is not "illegal".

When you install software (especially microsoft software), you will
always see a screen called the EULA (end user license agreement). You
must answer (or click on) the "Yes" button in order for the software to
install. By pressing "Yes", you have entered into a legal agreement or
contract with microsoft. Microsoft must have knowledge that you
violated that agreement before they can take any action against you.
Simply participating in a torrent is not sufficient evidence that you
went on to install and use the software in a manner that violates the
EULA.

Microsoft can't know if you have a valid product key or license, so just
the knowledge that you are participating in a torrent is not enough for
them to get a court order and force your ISP to reveal your identity to
them. That is a different situation for music or movies, which does not
have a "product key" or license mechanism that can be violated.

Nobody said anything about whether they can censor it, but their
lawyers often threaten people in these group,

I've never seen any such messages from lawyers. Please post an
example. I would like to laugh at it.

I've posted much abusive material toward microsoft in these microsoft.*
groups. The posts have never been removed from Microsoft's servers, and
certainly I've never seen any messages from lawyers or even sys-admins.
And they have no way to know who I am or where I am anyways.

I've posted product keys, links to torrents for microsoft software, etc.

so why tell the person to do somethings that can get them
into trouble, because it is illegal?

Because micro$haft is a criminal organization who has been charged with
violating many laws in many countries over the years. They have payed
millions in fines. They do not deserve any respect (legal or civil).
They are an illegal monopoly that has violated many antitrust laws over
the years. They should have been broken up like Standard Oil was broken
up many years ago.

Copyright law (DCMA) is a joke. It's unconstitutional, and it should be
repealed. It does not deserve to be followed.

I fully advocate that people go and seek windows 98 se and download it
from a bit torrent.

Here are some BT links:

http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Windows-...2468f9aafc0441

http://extratorrent.com/download/974...+ Key.torrent

For the second one, there are currently 117 seeds and 26 leachers (I've
just checked, and started to download it).

Do you hear that Microsoft?

I am currently downloading windows 98 via bit torrent.

What are you going to do about it?

Please have your lawyers post a message here in response to my post. I
dare you.

Microsoft - you are a ****-hole of a company. Windows Vista was a joke,
and Windows 7 will finally sink you. You are a cancer to the software
industry.

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:34:59 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:

No Alternative wrote:



And if you're worried about it, just install Peer Guardian and then
microsoft really won't be able to see you (but they're not looking
anyways).

I don't have to. I have it legally. I would also go completely to linux
if I did not. It is so easy to use that anyone who pirates windows is
just a lazy sod as far as I am concerned. Also you get se by updating 98,
so your advise was unnecessary.

Downloading microsoft software via torrent isin't illegal.

Not according to this.

http://www.computerforum.com/138438-...py-windows-if-
you-already-own-os.htmlfox-a



Microsoft - you are a ****-hole of a company. Windows Vista was a joke,
and Windows 7 will finally sink you. You are a cancer to the software
industry.

That being the case quit hooking people on their products and advise the
use of linux. A very good version is available in my sig. If people get
into the habit of using it rather than windows, it will do much more
damage to the windows brand then helping people to swipe windows, thus
encouraging the windows habit.


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No Alternative wrote:

I don't have to. I have it legally.

Lots of people have a legit product key for a windoze product.

A product key is a license to use the product.

The medium that the product comes on is irrelavent. Whether I download
it, buy a CD in a store, or get it from a torrent, it doesn't matter. I
will never "own" the code. I can only purchase the right to use it.

A software license usually comes with the software in question. Once
upon a time, the software came on magnetic tape, or floppy disks. More
recently it comes on CD or DVD. That is the "medium". If my copy of
the medium (the disk, cd, etc) becomes lost or dammaged, that does not
mean that I've lost the right to use the software. It also doesn't mean
I can't obtain another copy of the medium by what-ever means I can. I'm
doing nothing illegal if I download a win98 cd and install win98 from
that CD using a product key I purchased in the past.

Also you get se by updating 98, so your advise was unnecessary.

You're actually wrong about that.

If you have windows 98 (first edition, aka "Gold"), then you don't have
the right or the ability to update it to second edition for no cost.
Microsoft has never made any such update package that can take you from
98 to 98se and made it freely available to anyone who has 98 first
edition. Second edition is a SEPARATE PRODUCT. It is not a free
update, it never was.

Downloading microsoft software via torrent isin't illegal.

Not according to this.

http://www.computerforum.com/138438-...py-windows-if-
you-already-own-os.html

That is a thread posted by a bunch of people and all it is is just
talk. It contains no authoritative information - just a lot of
speculation and gossip.

Microsoft - you are a ****-hole of a company.

That being the case quit hooking people on their products and
advise the use of linux.

Windows 98se was a better operating system than XP or Vista. I advocate
that people keep using windows 98 whereever and whenever possible. If
that means downloading it via torrent and using it in violation of the
eula, then great. I have no problems with that.

Linux is too much of a hassle for most people to actually setup and use
on a day to day basis.

If people get into the habit of using it rather than windows,
it will do much more damage to the windows brand then helping
people to swipe windows, thus encouraging the windows habit.

I encourage the continued use of Windows 98, and if not that then use XP
- and pirate it if you can.

Starving Microsoft of revenue is just as good as having people move away
from Windows and switch to Linux.

And I'm still waiting for your examples of messages posted by microsoft
lawyers.

Get all the latest updates from Windows Update. I'm not sure if they still
support Windows 98 anymore though.

"No Alternative" wrote in
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:44:41 -0500, The poster formerly known as 'The
Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy' wrote:

I have an old laptop I put win98 on, but I am hoping to upgrade it to
win98se to have USB support. But I only have the win98 install cd. Is
such a thing possible? Would this happen through windows update?
Thanks.

You should be able to do upgrade it to the equivolent of se with windows
update.

http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

You may need to upgrade windows explorer.


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On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:38:21 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:

No Alternative wrote:


If you have windows 98 (first edition, aka "Gold"), then you don't have
the right or the ability to update it to second edition for no cost.
Microsoft has never made any such update package that can take you from
98 to 98se and made it freely available to anyone who has 98 first
edition. Second edition is a SEPARATE PRODUCT. It is not a free
update, it never was.

If you follow the service pack upgrade path you get the same identical
upgrades offered with se.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98

Linux is too much of a hassle for most people to actually setup and use
on a day to day basis.

Things have changed alot since 1998

If people get into the habit of using it rather than windows, it will
do much more damage to the windows brand then helping people to swipe
windows, thus encouraging the windows habit.

I encourage the continued use of Windows 98, and if not that then use XP
- and pirate it if you can.

Starving Microsoft of revenue is just as good as having people move away
from Windows and switch to Linux.

If the microsoft os is so much better than others, why do you want to
starve them of revenue? If microsoft goes under people will be left with
what you claim is an os that is TOO HARD to setup and use! Maybe your
just lazy and making excuses for it.






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On 07/04/2009 01:37 PM, 98 Guy wrote:
No Alternative wrote:

Windows 98 second edition CD is readily available via torrent.

Don't waste your time installing 98 original edition.
You can get in trouble with microsoft for using torrents.

No you can't.

Who told you that?

Microsoft would never know that you downloaded win-98 from a torrent.

Microsoft does not need to know as EVERY prosecutor, solicitor, or
other [bound by local and International Law, treaty, sanction, or the
like] across the planet is bound to take action for pirated software and
or illegal materials should you be caught with it or offering it upon
the Internet...

So YES, you can and will be prosecuted if you are determined to have
or have partaken in the illegal distribution of these types of materials.


This usenet group is hosted by them.

No, this usenet group is NOT HOSTED by Micro$oft.

This usenet group is *carried* by microsoft's usenet server, and it is
also carried by hundreds or thousands of other usenet servers around the
world - none of which have any specific ability to censor or control
this group or impose rules which other servers must follow.

For example, I do not read or post messages to this newsgroup by
accessing the microsoft server - and neither do you.

Your example fails, as usual to comprehend that EVERY USENET
forum/newsgroup carried, has a physical MASTER host. That you FAIL to
understand that there MUST be a master to collect, offer, and
disseminate the postings isn't unusual for you though, as you rarely
understand much of anything anyone takes the time to provide so you CAN
understand.
You and I have discussed this previously to great extent, and I even
provided an example to show you what happens when that master host goes
down.

For instance, this supposed discussion you are supposedly having with
No Alternative *just popped into* the master server... apparently
albasani.net was NOT part of, authorized as, or sending its postings to
the master host. Hence, any other messages MAY have been transferred to
local or other mirror sources, they were NOT, however, part of the
master distribution.

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