Keeping Windows 98 alive via a virtual machine?

I was curious in regards to the software that won't install or run in WinXP,
but will (only) run on Win9x (disregarding some games and DOS programs, and
some very old utility type programs). Is there anything really common
that really stands out? (Just curious)

Jeff Richards wrote:
Using Virtual PC to run Windows 98 is very common. People have a variety
of
reasons for using W98. Software that won't run on newer operating systems
and hardware that does not have drivers for anything other than W9x are
common reasons.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Larry" wrote in message
...
Since this is the newsgroup where Windows 98 die-hards hang out, are
there
people here who keep a Windows 98 environment for themselves by
installing
it on a virtual machine within XP or Vista, via VM Ware or similar
programs?
I've picked up a few things about virtualization, and I'm interested in
learning more about how it is done.

Basically, with virtual machines, older operating systems (and
applications)
can remain viable for however long one wants to use them. This is great
news.

Larry

Larry wrote:

Since this is the newsgroup where Windows 98 die-hards hang out,
are there people here who keep a Windows 98 environment for
themselves by installing it on a virtual machine within XP or
Vista, via VM Ware or similar programs?

No. I just run win-98 as my PC's only, native OS.

There is really nothing I want to do, or software I want to run, or
hardware I want or need to install or attach to my systems that _really_
requires 2K/XP.

(I recently bought an HP 2133 netbook and formatted it's drive as 100%
FAT32. It dual-boots DOS / Win-XP. I'm still working on getting win-98
to run on it, but I doubt that some functions such as video or wifi will
work.)

I also recently bought a very small GPS reciever (Photomate 887). It
also functions as a data logger (it can log GPS positions once per
second, with capacity for 125k points). It's also has blue tooth. It
connects via USB and appears as a serial port to the PC. When you
connect it to an XP machine, it will ask for drivers (apparently XP has
no native support for this device and it will seek an source for
drivers). The 887 comes with a small cd which has drivers. It includes
a directory for win-98 drivers.

Larry wrote:

Since this is the newsgroup where Windows 98 die-hards hang out,
are there people here who keep a Windows 98 environment for
themselves by installing it on a virtual machine within XP or
Vista, via VM Ware or similar programs?

No. I just run win-98 as my PC's only, native OS.

There is really nothing I want to do, or software I want to run, or
hardware I want or need to install or attach to my systems that _really_
requires 2K/XP.

(I recently bought an HP 2133 netbook and formatted it's drive as 100%
FAT32. It dual-boots DOS / Win-XP. I'm still working on getting win-98
to run on it, but I doubt that some functions such as video or wifi will
work.)

I also recently bought a very small GPS reciever (Photomate 887). It
also functions as a data logger (it can log GPS positions once per
second, with capacity for 125k points). It's also has blue tooth. It
connects via USB and appears as a serial port to the PC. When you
connect it to an XP machine, it will ask for drivers (apparently XP has
no native support for this device and it will seek an source for
drivers). The 887 comes with a small cd which has drivers. It includes
a directory for win-98 drivers.

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...

I was curious in regards to the software that won't install or run in
WinXP,
but will (only) run on Win9x (disregarding some games and DOS programs,
and
some very old utility type programs). Is there anything really common
that really stands out? (Just curious)

Cases include:
(Borland) Quattro Pro v.8
(Corel) Paradox v.7

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...

I was curious in regards to the software that won't install or run in
WinXP,
but will (only) run on Win9x (disregarding some games and DOS programs,
and
some very old utility type programs). Is there anything really common
that really stands out? (Just curious)

Cases include:
(Borland) Quattro Pro v.8
(Corel) Paradox v.7

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Perhaps not common. My favourite 3D modelling and animation software (which
was bought out by a competitor, and is now available for ten times the price
that I paid for it) generates an error in one particular module if run in
anything newer than NT4 or W98. I also have software for a specialist
printer that appears to be hard-wired to run on W98 only - the printer
itself works just fine with any OS, but it seems they want users to invest
in upgraded software, and will not provide newer versions of the (much
simpler, and faster) free software.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I was curious in regards to the software that won't install or run in
WinXP, but will (only) run on Win9x (disregarding some games and DOS
programs, and some very old utility type programs). Is there anything
really common that really stands out? (Just curious)

Jeff Richards wrote:
Using Virtual PC to run Windows 98 is very common. People have a variety
of
reasons for using W98. Software that won't run on newer operating
systems
and hardware that does not have drivers for anything other than W9x are
common reasons.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Larry" wrote in message
...
Since this is the newsgroup where Windows 98 die-hards hang out, are
there
people here who keep a Windows 98 environment for themselves by
installing
it on a virtual machine within XP or Vista, via VM Ware or similar
programs?
I've picked up a few things about virtualization, and I'm interested in
learning more about how it is done.

Basically, with virtual machines, older operating systems (and
applications)
can remain viable for however long one wants to use them. This is great
news.

Larry

Perhaps not common. My favourite 3D modelling and animation software (which
was bought out by a competitor, and is now available for ten times the price
that I paid for it) generates an error in one particular module if run in
anything newer than NT4 or W98. I also have software for a specialist
printer that appears to be hard-wired to run on W98 only - the printer
itself works just fine with any OS, but it seems they want users to invest
in upgraded software, and will not provide newer versions of the (much
simpler, and faster) free software.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I was curious in regards to the software that won't install or run in
WinXP, but will (only) run on Win9x (disregarding some games and DOS
programs, and some very old utility type programs). Is there anything
really common that really stands out? (Just curious)

Jeff Richards wrote:
Using Virtual PC to run Windows 98 is very common. People have a variety
of
reasons for using W98. Software that won't run on newer operating
systems
and hardware that does not have drivers for anything other than W9x are
common reasons.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Larry" wrote in message
...
Since this is the newsgroup where Windows 98 die-hards hang out, are
there
people here who keep a Windows 98 environment for themselves by
installing
it on a virtual machine within XP or Vista, via VM Ware or similar
programs?
I've picked up a few things about virtualization, and I'm interested in
learning more about how it is done.

Basically, with virtual machines, older operating systems (and
applications)
can remain viable for however long one wants to use them. This is great
news.

Larry

I do not understand what you are saying. The file system (NTFS or FAT) is
not relevant for operating systems installed in a virtual machine other than
for drives created within that VM. These drives have to be created as a
type that the installed OS understands. All other drives accessible to the
host are mapped as network drives for the VM and can be in any file system
that the host recognises.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Don Phillipson" wrote in message
...
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...

Using Virtual PC to run Windows 98 is very common. People have a variety
of
reasons for using W98. Software that won't run on newer operating
systems
and hardware that does not have drivers for anything other than W9x are
common reasons.

Hard drive format becomes relevant here. If the Virtual PC
has its home on a NTFS drive, data files from the FAT
environment can be imported to it only within the NTFS
environment (e.g. via WinXP Network Places.)
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

I do not understand what you are saying. The file system (NTFS or FAT) is
not relevant for operating systems installed in a virtual machine other than
for drives created within that VM. These drives have to be created as a
type that the installed OS understands. All other drives accessible to the
host are mapped as network drives for the VM and can be in any file system
that the host recognises.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Don Phillipson" wrote in message
...
"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
...

Using Virtual PC to run Windows 98 is very common. People have a variety
of
reasons for using W98. Software that won't run on newer operating
systems
and hardware that does not have drivers for anything other than W9x are
common reasons.

Hard drive format becomes relevant here. If the Virtual PC
has its home on a NTFS drive, data files from the FAT
environment can be imported to it only within the NTFS
environment (e.g. via WinXP Network Places.)
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

I use VPC 2007 in XP Pro and have Win98Se, XP Pro, XP Home, Server
2003, Vista and ? installed in VPC.

Just curious, how much RAM do you have on your machine? Do you run these
guest OS's simultaneously, or one at a time?

Also, doesn't the maximum RAM capability of the computer put a limit on
getting the RAM needed for the guest OS's?

For a person who wants to have just one, or maybe two virtual machines on
the computer, is there any advantage to VM Ware over Virtual PC?

Thanks,
Larry