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Can Windows XP and Windows 98 share files on a DSL network?
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Heck , I don't know how it works G but you can read a little more he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_file_system As to your new machine...Yes...I'd probably go for XP for now. Once SP1 is released for Vista, it might be sufficiently de-bugged though Egads. I don't want Vista!! The LAST thing I ever want is more albatross bloatware!! (And DRM-ware, and BigBrother-ware). I'm just a firm believer and subscriber of the "lean and mean" approach - for an operating system, and for almost all my software, which is why I still love Win98SE, and occasionally even DOS! So, I'm going into this with "mixed" expectations. :-) I agree with lean and mean! Most of my systems use Win2k. It runs all the apps I need...and I want an OS that's as transparent as possible! |
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Can Windows XP and Windows 98 share files on a DSL network?
"Marty" wrote in message
... Back to my original problem, the messages posted here make me think that it's at least possible for a Windows XP machine and a Windows 98SE machine that are connected to a common DSL router to access each other's files. The question is, how do I do it? Do I have to configure something or change a setting? Do I need to obtain some special software? Network setup problems can get tricky, so you should start with the right manual, then take problems to a networking NG if they occur. The WinXP Network Wizard has automated the process, starting with the XP as network hub and ending by making a floppy that you then run on all other PCs in the network. This NETSETUP floppy works on Win98 PCs (says the manual XP for Dummies. I set mine up manually, Win98 hub connected by wireless to a WinXP upstairs, most folders and printers shared mutually. You need to set each via / Properties to enable sharing, as well as in Win98 / Control Panel / Network / Access Control.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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Can Windows XP and Windows 98 share files on a DSL network?
"Mart" wrote in message
... Extract from "Windows Millennium Edition Faq.txt File Contents" (but applies to all Win9x) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/262923/en-us Q: Does Windows Me support NTFS? NTFS is not directly supported under Windows Me. NTFS volumes can be accessed only by Windows NT locally. If Windows Me is installed on a computer already running Windows NT with an NTFS volume, it cannot access any information stored on the volume. However, Windows Me can access NTFS volumes across a network connection. More generally . . . When a network has been successfully created, drive format becomes irrelevant. We can network together PCs running Win98, WinXP, and Linux, each with its own drive format, and (where sharing has been enabled) read and write or write any file on any PC in the network. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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Can Windows XP and Windows 98 share files on a DSL network?
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
... RobertVA wrote: Marty wrote: I have AT&T-Yahoo DSL with 2 computers connected: a Dell Windows XP and an HP Windows 98SE. Is it possible for them to directly access each other's files? Separate DSL modems or through a router? As I understood it, and no matter what, the Win98SE computer (using FAT32) won't be able to see the WinXP files (using NTFS), but vice versa is possible. A network of 2 different PCs, one with XP, one with 98SE, can share each others files via allowing drive (partition) sharing. File system type, NTFS or FAT32, is of no consequence. In the case of 98/98SE/ME directly addressing an NTFS partition, you are correct, they are unable to interrogate the file table. Current routers incorporate a router and hub, and are generically called a router. The hub portion of this router allows LAN connections. A crossover cable is a simple example of a LAN. Another way that I've used is with Firewire direct connection for a PC and a laptop. All these can make use of drive/partition sharing. In my trial/error days 5 years ago with XP/ME/98SE drive sharing, found that XP generally always found the ME shared drive. But, sometimes, ME/98SE it was sometime a major problem for it to find a shared drive on XP PC. Dave |
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Can Windows XP and Windows 98 share files on a DSL network?
I tried Don's suggestion, and it almost worked. I changed the workgroup name
on the Windows98 to match the WinXP. I then ran the network wizard successfully on the XP, and it produced a floppy to run on the 98. However, the floppy seemed to go into an endless loop on the 98, and I finally terminated it after 24 hours! I'm not quite sure where to go from here. If I can find a simple way to establish the file sharing I'll do it. But considering my actual needs, I'd rather do a work-around, such as emailing the files I want to share or transferring them via floppy than go to a large expense. I do appreciate the time and effort and ideas that everyone has been putting in to help solve this problem. "Don Phillipson" wrote: "Marty" wrote in message ... Back to my original problem, the messages posted here make me think that it's at least possible for a Windows XP machine and a Windows 98SE machine that are connected to a common DSL router to access each other's files. The question is, how do I do it? Do I have to configure something or change a setting? Do I need to obtain some special software? Network setup problems can get tricky, so you should start with the right manual, then take problems to a networking NG if they occur. The WinXP Network Wizard has automated the process, starting with the XP as network hub and ending by making a floppy that you then run on all other PCs in the network. This NETSETUP floppy works on Win98 PCs (says the manual XP for Dummies. I set mine up manually, Win98 hub connected by wireless to a WinXP upstairs, most folders and printers shared mutually. You need to set each via / Properties to enable sharing, as well as in Win98 / Control Panel / Network / Access Control.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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Can Windows XP and Windows 98 share files on a DSL network?
Bill in Co. wrote:
Ron Martell wrote: "Bill in Co." wrote: No, then maybe I am missing something. I was under the impression that Win98SE, a FAT32 based system, could not see or access anything on an NTFS partition. What am I getting mixed up? If an NTFS drive is installed into a Windows 98 computer it will not be able to access it. However in a network situation the computer does not directly access a drive on a different computer. What it does is access the other computer and ask it to access its own disk drive and send the requested file across the network. The file is just a data stream, with no disk storage file system involved. Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada AHA! I think that helps me understand it a bit better. Thanks, Ron. Me too. |
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Can Windows XP and Windows 98 share files on a DSL network?
I find that when accessing another pc the other pc does the writing to its
drive, and when they access mine my pc does the writing to my drive Lady love has winxppro, when she is dual booted to xp I can access the ntfs partition on her pc as well as the fat32 from my win98se box when she is booted to 98 I cannot access the ntfs partition over the network, and neither can she -- -- -- -- -- -- Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de spybot http://www.safer-networking.org AVG free antivirus http://free.grisoft.com/ Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx Super Antispyware http://www.superantispyware.com/ Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com Panda online AntiSpyware Scan http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/ Catalog of removal tools (1) http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/ Catalog of removal tools (2) http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/n...aspx?CID=40387 Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/ Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages before use Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters _ "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Alan Edwards wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:26:35 -0700, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Bill in Co." wrote: Alan Edwards wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:55:38 -0700, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Bill in Co." wrote: RobertVA wrote: Marty wrote: I have AT&T-Yahoo DSL with 2 computers connected: a Dell Windows XP and an HP Windows 98SE. Is it possible for them to directly access each other's files? As I understood it, and no matter what, the Win98SE computer (using FAT32) won't be able to see the WinXP files (using NTFS), but vice versa is possible. Perhaps I am missing something here but... I am far from an expert on networking but I have no problem with a Win98SE computer (using FAT32) seeing (and modifying) WinXP files (using NTFS) ...Alan No, then maybe I am missing something. I was under the impression that Win98SE, a FAT32 based system, could not see or access anything on an NTFS partition. What am I getting mixed up? Not sure what you are getting mixed up with. I am sitting in front of 3 networked terminals (with broadband access, though that is nor really relevant as I could network before broadband) One Win98Se (Fat32) One WinMe (Fat32) One Win XP SP2 (NTFS) I can read/modify from all/to all. ...Alan -- Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer http://dts-l.com/index.htm OK, well I don't have a network, so apparently I'm wrong here then. Let's see.. I guess the only thing I do seem to recall (at least as I've heard here) is (e.g.) if you have a dual-boot system, with both 98SE and WinXP on it (and with XP using NTFS on its own HD partition), that HD partition (and all its files) are invisible to the Win98SE system, right? (as long as you booted up in Win98SE) And if you want to get some files from the Win98SE (FAT32) partition and transfer them over to the XP (NTFS) partition, at least without a network, you'd have to boot up in 98SE and save the files on some removable drive, and then reboot in XP, and place them there on its partition. Right? |
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we have an apartment building where we supply cable,
the cable modem to port 16 on a 16 port switch, a wireless router to port 15, and the apartments on 1-12, no bottleneck routing the data from the modem through a pc to the switch to the pc its directed to just a thought with only a few pcs connected there might not be any constriction -- -- -- -- -- -- Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de spybot http://www.safer-networking.org AVG free antivirus http://free.grisoft.com/ Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx Super Antispyware http://www.superantispyware.com/ Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.activescan.com Panda online AntiSpyware Scan http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/ Catalog of removal tools (1) http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/ Catalog of removal tools (2) http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/n...aspx?CID=40387 Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/ Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages before use Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters _ "Alan Edwards" wrote in message ... I know nothing of a DSL router, which is why I avoided your initial question. Mine are connected via a network first. A simple Netgear 8 port Fast Ethernet Switch. XP made it fairly simple to create the network, though I did have 2 machines (Win98SE+WinMe) connected with only a crossover cable before XP. I installed a broadband modem later to the XP machine. The others pickup the Internet from there. The Win9x machines are not directly connected to the broadband modem. Don't ask me too many hard questions. Hardware is not my forte. You don't need to know a lot about Windows internals to set up a network. ...Alan -- Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer http://dts-l.com/index.htm On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:08:02 -0800, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, Marty wrote: Back to my original problem, the messages posted here make me think that it's at least possible for a Windows XP machine and a Windows 98SE machine that are connected to a common DSL router to access each other's files. The question is, how do I do it? Do I have to configure something or change a setting? Do I need to obtain some special software? Can I bypass the router and connect the computers directly to each other? Although I did spend many years developing software on UNIX systems, I don't have too much knowledge of Windows internals and will appreciate any help I can get. "Alan Edwards" wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:31:37 -0700, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Bill in Co." wrote: Alan Edwards wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:26:35 -0700, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Bill in Co." wrote: Alan Edwards wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:55:38 -0700, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, "Bill in Co." wrote: RobertVA wrote: Marty wrote: I have AT&T-Yahoo DSL with 2 computers connected: a Dell Windows XP and an HP Windows 98SE. Is it possible for them to directly access each other's files? As I understood it, and no matter what, the Win98SE computer (using FAT32) won't be able to see the WinXP files (using NTFS), but vice versa is possible. Perhaps I am missing something here but... I am far from an expert on networking but I have no problem with a Win98SE computer (using FAT32) seeing (and modifying) WinXP files (using NTFS) ...Alan No, then maybe I am missing something. I was under the impression that Win98SE, a FAT32 based system, could not see or access anything on an NTFS partition. What am I getting mixed up? Not sure what you are getting mixed up with. I am sitting in front of 3 networked terminals (with broadband access, though that is nor really relevant as I could network before broadband) One Win98Se (Fat32) One WinMe (Fat32) One Win XP SP2 (NTFS) I can read/modify from all/to all. ...Alan -- Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer http://dts-l.com/index.htm OK, well I don't have a network, so apparently I'm wrong here then. Let's see.. I guess the only thing I do seem to recall (at least as I've heard here) is (e.g.) if you have a dual-boot system, with both 98SE and WinXP on it (and with XP using NTFS on its own HD partition), that HD partition (and all its files) are invisible to the Win98SE system, right? (as long as you booted up in Win98SE) And if you want to get some files from the Win98SE (FAT32) partition and transfer them over to the XP (NTFS) partition, at least without a network, you'd have to boot up in 98SE and save the files on some removable drive, and then reboot in XP, and place them there on its partition. Right? Sorry, but I have never used dual-booting. Cannot comment on that. A simple network is easy and cheap. Just a few dollars for a cable or two. ....Alan -- Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer http://dts-l.com/index.htm |
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Dear Marty,
did u got the answer ? what u want ? Vinoth "Lil' Dave" wrote in message ... "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... RobertVA wrote: Marty wrote: I have AT&T-Yahoo DSL with 2 computers connected: a Dell Windows XP and an HP Windows 98SE. Is it possible for them to directly access each other's files? Separate DSL modems or through a router? As I understood it, and no matter what, the Win98SE computer (using FAT32) won't be able to see the WinXP files (using NTFS), but vice versa is possible. A network of 2 different PCs, one with XP, one with 98SE, can share each others files via allowing drive (partition) sharing. File system type, NTFS or FAT32, is of no consequence. In the case of 98/98SE/ME directly addressing an NTFS partition, you are correct, they are unable to interrogate the file table. Current routers incorporate a router and hub, and are generically called a router. The hub portion of this router allows LAN connections. A crossover cable is a simple example of a LAN. Another way that I've used is with Firewire direct connection for a PC and a laptop. All these can make use of drive/partition sharing. In my trial/error days 5 years ago with XP/ME/98SE drive sharing, found that XP generally always found the ME shared drive. But, sometimes, ME/98SE it was sometime a major problem for it to find a shared drive on XP PC. Dave |
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Can Windows XP and Windows 98 share files on a DSL network?
I had pretty much the same situation - I was using XP Home machines on a
router with Win98SE machines. All had DSL access. I never had any problems setting up the LAN - all the PC's could see each other, and I was able to transfer files, etc. to the "shared" folders on any of the machines. The XP net set up disk Don described is dead on the way to do it. Start with an XP machine, set up the network, name the work group, then create the floppy for use on the Win98 machines. You said yours went into an "endless loop" - I had one instance where the 98 computer would lock up when the network set up started. I corrected this by killing all but the essential background processes running on the 98 machine (all but Explorer and Systray, I think - it's been a while). The network setup disk then went without a hitch. The only real problem I had didn't involve the different operating systems - it involved router settings and individual software firewall settings. I had to make sure the router would allow the number of computers I was trying to LAN, and make sure that the firewall on each computer had the correct "trusted" IP range for the computers. Not much help I know - been a while since I had a Win98 machine on my LAN "Marty" wrote: I tried Don's suggestion, and it almost worked. I changed the workgroup name on the Windows98 to match the WinXP. I then ran the network wizard successfully on the XP, and it produced a floppy to run on the 98. However, the floppy seemed to go into an endless loop on the 98, and I finally terminated it after 24 hours! I'm not quite sure where to go from here. If I can find a simple way to establish the file sharing I'll do it. But considering my actual needs, I'd rather do a work-around, such as emailing the files I want to share or transferring them via floppy than go to a large expense. I do appreciate the time and effort and ideas that everyone has been putting in to help solve this problem. "Don Phillipson" wrote: "Marty" wrote in message ... Back to my original problem, the messages posted here make me think that it's at least possible for a Windows XP machine and a Windows 98SE machine that are connected to a common DSL router to access each other's files. The question is, how do I do it? Do I have to configure something or change a setting? Do I need to obtain some special software? Network setup problems can get tricky, so you should start with the right manual, then take problems to a networking NG if they occur. The WinXP Network Wizard has automated the process, starting with the XP as network hub and ending by making a floppy that you then run on all other PCs in the network. This NETSETUP floppy works on Win98 PCs (says the manual XP for Dummies. I set mine up manually, Win98 hub connected by wireless to a WinXP upstairs, most folders and printers shared mutually. You need to set each via / Properties to enable sharing, as well as in Win98 / Control Panel / Network / Access Control.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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