MS05-002 on 9x and ME

Upgrading to IE 6 SP1 (or IE 6 by itself) is what resulted in that file copy
and delete problem in the first place, for Win98 users! That's what
Frank's DLL swapping solution resolves. (
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm )

I can bear testimony to that, cause that's where I'm at now. The only
other alternative was to rollback to IE 5.5 SP2 - or just live with the
problem, which I'm not willing to do.

Rick T wrote:
As I recall, that doesn't work.

Rick T

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Rick T wrote:

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.

No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T

Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro
the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used
for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at
least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to
see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue about which you post.

Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant
MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important
issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP
is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.

(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)

Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to,
but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been
well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2
years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about
was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem
does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just
today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is
onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

As I recall, that doesn't work.

Rick T

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Rick T wrote:

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.



No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T



Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro
the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at
least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue
about which you post.




Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I
gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant
MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important
issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP
is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.


(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)




Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to,
but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been
well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2 years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about
was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem
does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just
today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

Noel Paton wrote:

John
could you please download and run Everest Home Edition (www.lavalys.hu) and
send me a full report? my email addy is valid.

Hmm..... I use Aida, Everest's precursor. But a "full" report? That's
giving you a whole lot of info, some of it stuff that I may not want
anybody else to have. Heck, I don't even understand some of it and don't
know whether or not I should provide it to others. And that's 84 pages
of stuff to sift through in order to edit that info out...

Sorry Noel, it's nice of you to offer to help and I mean no offense, but
frankly I'd rather not do this.

--
Regards from John Corliss

The info I am aware of is that IE6 caused the problem, and IE6 SP1 remedied it. Did
you in fact actually upgrade to IE6 SP1 to see if there was an improvement?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Upgrading to IE 6 SP1 (or IE 6 by itself) is what resulted in that file copy
and delete problem in the first place, for Win98 users! That's what
Frank's DLL swapping solution resolves. (
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm )

I can bear testimony to that, cause that's where I'm at now. The only
other alternative was to rollback to IE 5.5 SP2 - or just live with the
problem, which I'm not willing to do.

Rick T wrote:
As I recall, that doesn't work.

Rick T

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Rick T wrote:

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.

No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T

Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro
the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used
for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at
least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to
see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue about which you post.

Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant
MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important
issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP
is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.

(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)

Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to,
but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been
well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2
years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about
was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem
does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just
today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is
onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

Did you try it yourself, or are you going on what someone else told you? Have you
installed IE6 SP1 yourself to see if it fixed the problem?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
As I recall, that doesn't work.

Rick T

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Rick T wrote:

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.



No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T



Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro
the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at
least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue
about which you post.




Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I
gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant
MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important
issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP
is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.


(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)




Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to,
but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been
well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2 years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about
was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem
does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just
today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

I can understand that - send me what you feel comfortable with.
It's the hardware info, and the drivers that I'm most concerned with

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

In fond memory of one of life's Gentlemen - Alex Nichol
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"John Corliss" wrote in message
...
Noel Paton wrote:

John
could you please download and run Everest Home Edition (www.lavalys.hu)
and send me a full report? my email addy is valid.

Hmm..... I use Aida, Everest's precursor. But a "full" report? That's
giving you a whole lot of info, some of it stuff that I may not want
anybody else to have. Heck, I don't even understand some of it and don't
know whether or not I should provide it to others. And that's 84 pages of
stuff to sift through in order to edit that info out...

Sorry Noel, it's nice of you to offer to help and I mean no offense, but
frankly I'd rather not do this.

--
Regards from John Corliss

Then call PSS. It will be a free call.

John Corliss wrote:
Noel Paton wrote:

John
could you please download and run Everest Home Edition
(www.lavalys.hu) and send me a full report? my email addy is valid.


Hmm..... I use Aida, Everest's precursor. But a "full" report? That's
giving you a whole lot of info, some of it stuff that I may not want
anybody else to have. Heck, I don't even understand some of it and don't
know whether or not I should provide it to others. And that's 84 pages
of stuff to sift through in order to edit that info out...

Sorry Noel, it's nice of you to offer to help and I mean no offense, but
frankly I'd rather not do this.


--
An open letter to the Security Community::
http://msmvps.com/bradley/archive/2004/12/12/23540.aspx

I have IE 6 SP1, and the problem is there (or rather, was there, until I
"fixed" it).

I upgraded directly from IE 5.5 SP2, to IE 6 SP1.

glee wrote:
The info I am aware of is that IE6 caused the problem, and IE6 SP1
remedied
it. Did you in fact actually upgrade to IE6 SP1 to see if there was an
improvement? --
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Upgrading to IE 6 SP1 (or IE 6 by itself) is what resulted in that file
copy
and delete problem in the first place, for Win98 users! That's what
Frank's DLL swapping solution resolves. (
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm )

I can bear testimony to that, cause that's where I'm at now. The only
other alternative was to rollback to IE 5.5 SP2 - or just live with the
problem, which I'm not willing to do.

Rick T wrote:
As I recall, that doesn't work.

Rick T

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
Why not upgrade to IE6 sp1?

http://snipurl.com/4bgz

Rick T wrote:

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you keep right on doing exactly what you are doing.

We'll keep an eye on it. Rolling back to IE 5.5 is not an acceptable
resolution in my book.

No arguments there, but it's the only one that works. Having Explorer
hang and crash is also not an option.

Rick T

Rick Chauvin wrote:

...understood, but I just had to try.

thanks Gary,

Rick

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

FWIW, I seriously doubt that Jerry B. is going to read any replies
to
his post. It was a notice, nothing more. They've been able to repro
the
issue, which usually means that further user input is probably not
needed. We just have to wait to see what they work out.

However, I *did* drop your entire post into the same hopper I used
for
the KB891711 issue (the track that finally got some action, or at
least
some public acknowledgement of the problem.) We'll have to wait to
see
what, if anything, comes of it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...

PA Bear wrote:

X-Posting to Win95 and WinME NGs eliminated.

Rick, I don't think MS05-002/KB891711 has anything to do with the
issue about which you post.

Hi Robert,
You have totally misunderstood my post. I'm sorry you did.
Of course we all knowMS05-002/KB891711 has nothing to do with the
link I gave. http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

As I said I took this extra opportunity to tag onto Jerry Bryant
MCSE,
MCDBA post to express to the MS coders about another important
issue that
is of great importance for 9x to get fixed - besides what the OP
is about.
I apologize for tagging onto it, but felt it was important enough.

(As you know, my position is that IE6 with SP1 installed has
fixed your issue for the vast majority of Win98 users.)

Again here too Robert I have no idea what you are referring to,
but surely
you are mistaken here of what we are talking about which has been
well
confirmed in this 9x newsgroup a hundred times over the last 2
years;
thousands of times elsewhere. The issue that the link
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm speaks about
was never
fixed and I can guarantee it's 100% immutable that the problem
does exist
for W98x. I would of not stuck my neck out to make my post if it
wasn't.
I guess you don't know me.

The problem is old news but for heavens sake Robert earlier just
today
even your own Extremely capable MVP Chris Quirke (cquirke) is
onboard
with this issue and actually uses 9x to know. Listen up:


Rick

glee wrote:
Did you try it yourself, or are you going on what someone else told you? Have you
installed IE6 SP1 yourself to see if it fixed the problem?

I'm currently auditing Win2K, so I'm going by memory...

Installing IE6 caused that problem as well as what felt like a task
priorities problem (mouse would freeze for a few seconds occasionally)
.... and since SP1 is over a year old (and I only installed 2K last
month) I'm going to take it for granted that I tried it with SP1 with
the same result.


Rick T

P3, VIA Apollo+, 512MB

Rick T wrote:
glee wrote:
Did you try it yourself, or are you going on what someone else told you?
Have you installed IE6 SP1 yourself to see if it fixed the problem?

I'm currently auditing Win2K, so I'm going by memory...

Installing IE6 caused that problem as well as what felt like a task
priorities problem (mouse would freeze for a few seconds occasionally)
... and since SP1 is over a year old (and I only installed 2K last
month) I'm going to take it for granted that I tried it with SP1 with
the same result.

And as I said, it does it for me too (with SP1). (until I swapped out
those 2 DLLs, as already discussed in here)

Rick T

P3, VIA Apollo+, 512MB