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heirloom wrote:
I'm still reluctant to apply the patch, even though I am no longer running any Norton products. As with other updates, this one DOES create a restore point (for those that fail to do so manually), doesn't it? Didn't for me. When I looked after the first mess-up there were none available at all. See my other posts about loss of restore points. Vince |
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In response to this thread, I have just run Win Updates on this WinME test
bed and been offered two updates: KB 888113 & KB 891711, the possible problematic updated being discussed here. I have successfully installed KB 888113 without any problem. I will now attempt KB 891711, while simultaneously running Norton AV 2004 Pro with the latest signature updates and all core file updates. If you do not hear from me very soon, you may suspect that my system is unusable ... -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "heirloom" wrote in message ... I'm still reluctant to apply the patch, even though I am no longer running any Norton products. As with other updates, this one DOES create a restore point (for those that fail to do so manually), doesn't it? Heirloom, old and EZ AV is working for me "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... (OK, I'll say it - blame Norton!! They've managed to f^&* up everything else in ME, so why should this patch be any different??) -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Galen" wrote in message ... In , heirloom had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: I am seeing a lot of references to this particular update causing problems with a common denominator of NAV (or related Symantec product). When installing this update, does it not create a restore point? And, yes, due to the nature of NAV, it would be necessary to reinstall after a System Restore. Has anyone pinned this on the use of Symantec products??....or is there still a chance it is browser related?? Heirloom, old and holding off on this one No one has had the gaul to blame NAV yet though I've been leaning towards it. My biggest problem is taking it out on a single company when there are too many variables. I'd absolutely hate to be the person who caused a large group of people to switch to more effective solutions. Well, okay, I would... But I do try to examine ALL potentials before jumping out and saying it's NAV. However this does seem to be the one constant among most of the posts... I think, my good sir, that Heirloom shall be the bearer of bad news on this one See also the number of threads in the 98 group. The update is specifically about this: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Sec.../ms05-002.mspx It's only available via the updates site itself for 9x/ME. Some have trouble, some do not... Methinks if I were more carefully oriented I could go back and cite examples to SUPPORT your NAV claim my good sir. Indeed it seems likely as I browse through my answers which are highlighted and flagged to appear on top. However, I'm not tellin' all of 'em! They'll lynch me! I'm only 31 and have a wife and 2 kids! Besides, I'm a coward :P You tell 'em... Galen -- Signature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. |
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No, it does not. OTOH, it is easily removed from the Control Panel,
Add/Remove Programs. Once removed, my system was back to normal. I tried Add/Remove programs on it and it didn't seem to work - stayed in the Startup list. Also if the .EXE and .DLL files go you get an automatic update reminder again. Vince |
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I'm back, and the KB 891711 Update appears to have caused NO problem here.
IE6 SP1 will browse MVP Jim Eshelman's site without any problem. This is only a few minute test, however. FWIW, both KB Updates appear to have created auto SR checkpoints here. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message ... In response to this thread, I have just run Win Updates on this WinME test bed and been offered two updates: KB 888113 & KB 891711, the possible problematic updated being discussed here. I have successfully installed KB 888113 without any problem. I will now attempt KB 891711, while simultaneously running Norton AV 2004 Pro with the latest signature updates and all core file updates. If you do not hear from me very soon, you may suspect that my system is unusable ... -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "heirloom" wrote in message ... I'm still reluctant to apply the patch, even though I am no longer running any Norton products. As with other updates, this one DOES create a restore point (for those that fail to do so manually), doesn't it? Heirloom, old and EZ AV is working for me "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... (OK, I'll say it - blame Norton!! They've managed to f^&* up everything else in ME, so why should this patch be any different??) -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Galen" wrote in message ... In , heirloom had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: I am seeing a lot of references to this particular update causing problems with a common denominator of NAV (or related Symantec product). When installing this update, does it not create a restore point? And, yes, due to the nature of NAV, it would be necessary to reinstall after a System Restore. Has anyone pinned this on the use of Symantec products??....or is there still a chance it is browser related?? Heirloom, old and holding off on this one No one has had the gaul to blame NAV yet though I've been leaning towards it. My biggest problem is taking it out on a single company when there are too many variables. I'd absolutely hate to be the person who caused a large group of people to switch to more effective solutions. Well, okay, I would... But I do try to examine ALL potentials before jumping out and saying it's NAV. However this does seem to be the one constant among most of the posts... I think, my good sir, that Heirloom shall be the bearer of bad news on this one See also the number of threads in the 98 group. The update is specifically about this: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Sec.../ms05-002.mspx It's only available via the updates site itself for 9x/ME. Some have trouble, some do not... Methinks if I were more carefully oriented I could go back and cite examples to SUPPORT your NAV claim my good sir. Indeed it seems likely as I browse through my answers which are highlighted and flagged to appear on top. However, I'm not tellin' all of 'em! They'll lynch me! I'm only 31 and have a wife and 2 kids! Besides, I'm a coward :P You tell 'em... Galen -- Signature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. |
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Followup:
Process Explorer now reports that the KB891711.exe process is executing. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message ... In response to this thread, I have just run Win Updates on this WinME test bed and been offered two updates: KB 888113 & KB 891711, the possible problematic updated being discussed here. I have successfully installed KB 888113 without any problem. I will now attempt KB 891711, while simultaneously running Norton AV 2004 Pro with the latest signature updates and all core file updates. If you do not hear from me very soon, you may suspect that my system is unusable ... -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "heirloom" wrote in message ... I'm still reluctant to apply the patch, even though I am no longer running any Norton products. As with other updates, this one DOES create a restore point (for those that fail to do so manually), doesn't it? Heirloom, old and EZ AV is working for me "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... (OK, I'll say it - blame Norton!! They've managed to f^&* up everything else in ME, so why should this patch be any different??) -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Galen" wrote in message ... In , heirloom had this to say: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message: I am seeing a lot of references to this particular update causing problems with a common denominator of NAV (or related Symantec product). When installing this update, does it not create a restore point? And, yes, due to the nature of NAV, it would be necessary to reinstall after a System Restore. Has anyone pinned this on the use of Symantec products??....or is there still a chance it is browser related?? Heirloom, old and holding off on this one No one has had the gaul to blame NAV yet though I've been leaning towards it. My biggest problem is taking it out on a single company when there are too many variables. I'd absolutely hate to be the person who caused a large group of people to switch to more effective solutions. Well, okay, I would... But I do try to examine ALL potentials before jumping out and saying it's NAV. However this does seem to be the one constant among most of the posts... I think, my good sir, that Heirloom shall be the bearer of bad news on this one See also the number of threads in the 98 group. The update is specifically about this: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Sec.../ms05-002.mspx It's only available via the updates site itself for 9x/ME. Some have trouble, some do not... Methinks if I were more carefully oriented I could go back and cite examples to SUPPORT your NAV claim my good sir. Indeed it seems likely as I browse through my answers which are highlighted and flagged to appear on top. However, I'm not tellin' all of 'em! They'll lynch me! I'm only 31 and have a wife and 2 kids! Besides, I'm a coward :P You tell 'em... Galen -- Signature changed for a moment of silence. Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side. |
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Which is as it should be.
-- Mike Maltby MS-MVP Jack E Martinelli wrote: Followup: Process Explorer now reports that the KB891711.exe process is executing. |
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Thanks go to Jack, Mike and Norman for the input. Norman and Jack for
ruling out NAV and Mike for the continued support. Odd that an SR point is set for some and not others. It would be interesting to see if the lack of an SR point is common to those with the problems... Heirloom, old and still hesitant "N. Miller" wrote in message om... In article , Galen says... No one has had the gaul to blame NAV yet though I've been leaning towards it. Some of us with problems aren't running NAV. If anybody can explain how NAV can be the cause of the problem when it isn't installed, I'd like to hear about it. -- Norman ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint |
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H,
A system restore checkpoint should normally be automatically created whenever installing a patch from the Windows Updates site although for some odd reason there has always been the odd hotfix that doesn't. :-( -- http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx In memory of a very dear friend, Windows MVP Alex Nichol Mike Maltby MS-MVP heirloom wrote: Thanks go to Jack, Mike and Norman for the input. Norman and Jack for ruling out NAV and Mike for the continued support. Odd that an SR point is set for some and not others. It would be interesting to see if the lack of an SR point is common to those with the problems... |
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Restore points were created for both KB888113 and KB891711 when I
applied the updates using Windows Update. I've had no problems since installing the patches on the 9th. heirloom wrote: Thanks go to Jack, Mike and Norman for the input. Norman and Jack for ruling out NAV and Mike for the continued support. Odd that an SR point is set for some and not others. It would be interesting to see if the lack of an SR point is common to those with the problems... Heirloom, old and still hesitant |
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Yes, it's being launched by HKLM\...\RunServices.
-- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Mike M" wrote in message ... Which is as it should be. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP Jack E Martinelli wrote: Followup: Process Explorer now reports that the KB891711.exe process is executing. |
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