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Old January 15th 05, 12:09 AM
looneytunes>verizone.net
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Default Slipstream in ME??

There is a wealth of information in the XP groups about creating a
"Slipstreamed" bootable CD incorporating Windows XP, Home or Pro, with
SP2 which will allow a clean installation of either XP version up to
date with SP2. My question for the MVP's is "can this be done within the
confines of WindowsME as well or, does the process only work if XP is
already installed?" I have seen some posts and pages that even hint it
only works if the NTFS file system is used. I have read so many
suggested methods that my old brain is leaking confusion. For what it is
worth, I was hoping that a slipstreamed CD would make upgrading to XP
Home a one step affair. Any comments or guru wisdom would be appreciated.

sced13ri (Looking for the easy answer.) ;-)
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Old January 15th 05, 12:29 AM
Mike M
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Since no Service Pack has ever been issued for Win Me there is nothing to
slipstream. Slipstreaming is the process of integrating a service pack
into an earlier version, either RTM (the original release) or a version
containing an earlier service pack.

Slipstreaming has nothing to do with the filing system in use nor is it
exclusive to XP, for example Win2K service packs can be slipstreamed into
W2K as also can be service packs for MS Office into the original MS Office
release (same underlying version naturally).

What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from
the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the
Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



"looneytunesverizone.net verizone.net " "looneytunes wrote in message
....

There is a wealth of information in the XP groups about creating a
"Slipstreamed" bootable CD incorporating Windows XP, Home or Pro, with
SP2 which will allow a clean installation of either XP version up to
date with SP2. My question for the MVP's is "can this be done within the
confines of WindowsME as well or, does the process only work if XP is
already installed?" I have seen some posts and pages that even hint it
only works if the NTFS file system is used. I have read so many
suggested methods that my old brain is leaking confusion. For what it is
worth, I was hoping that a slipstreamed CD would make upgrading to XP
Home a one step affair. Any comments or guru wisdom would be
appreciated.


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Old January 15th 05, 01:04 AM
looneytunes>verizone.net
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Mike M wrote:

Since no Service Pack has ever been issued for Win Me there is nothing
to slipstream. Slipstreaming is the process of integrating a service
pack into an earlier version, either RTM (the original release) or a
version containing an earlier service pack.

Slipstreaming has nothing to do with the filing system in use nor is it
exclusive to XP, for example Win2K service packs can be slipstreamed
into W2K as also can be service packs for MS Office into the original MS
Office release (same underlying version naturally).

What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from
the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the
Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added.

Mike:

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my post. I am not looking to slipstream
a Windows ME disk. My question was "can I create a bootable XP/SP2 CD
within the confines of Windows ME" to be used for my upgrade from ME to
XP Home. I have the full retail XP Home CD and the Microsoft SP2 CD.
Based on your reply, perhaps you could direct me to good information on
how to do it, if what I am asking is possible. Sorry if I wasn't clear
enough. Old brains are sometimes hard to read. :-)

sced13ri
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Old January 15th 05, 05:05 AM
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Forgive me if it is inappropriate to post my question here, but it directly
relates to this thread. Isn't it better to add to an existing thread rather
than start a new one? If not and you consider this to be hijacking and think
I should create my own thread for this, please tell me, and very sorry for
posting here.

1. Mike, what do you mean by WinMe file set?
2. Do you mean one or all of these places that have CAB files?
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL
C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM [where I installed WinMe from]
3. Would all of these locations need updating, or just some?
4. Specifically *which* hotfixes (windows updates) for WinMe can be
integrated into the file set using msbatch?

I'd like to know how to use it to add drivers and certain updates to create
a custom WinMe CD and an updated custom installation source point at
C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM. I've heard that drivers and the WinMe System Restore
Update 290700 can be included but that IE6SP1, DX90c, and WMP9 cannot. I
have the Win98 Resource Kit but do not know how to use msbatch. The book is
technical at times and my DOS skills are novice.

5. Where can I learn more about how to use msbatch 98?
6. Which files do I need: batch.exe, infinst.exe, dbset.exe?
7. Would I have to initially run msbatch from my Win98se laptop instead of
my WinMe computer? It sounds like I may need to write a custom script (.inf)
file. I don't know how to do that but am willing to learn. Thanks.
--
ForestSpirit
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"Mike M" wrote in message
...
What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from
the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the
Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP




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Old January 15th 05, 06:31 AM
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Mike M wrote:

The operating system or platform in use should be immaterial when
creating a slipstream image.

For one method of creating a slipstream image (which is basically the
method I used to create my slipstream CDs) can be found at
http://www.helpwithwindows.com/Windo...p2-bootcd.html.


Thanks Mike,

That is one of the pages I looked at and printed out for reference. What
added to my confusion is the third paragraph under the initial heading
which says;

"Microsoft added the ability to Slipstream a Service Pack to Windows
2000 and Windows XP. It not only has the advantage that when you
(re)install your OS, you don't have to apply the Service Pack later,
also if you update any Windows component later, you'll be sure that you
get the correct installation files if Windows needs any."

It gives the impression that this ability is only available in XP or
2000. Maybe I am reading it too literally. I will certainly give it a try.

sced13ri
  #7  
Old January 15th 05, 11:20 AM
Noel Paton
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One problem at a time, FS!! g
Let's get your IE sorted out, and then you can come back with these
questions!

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Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

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Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"ForestSpirit" wrote in message
...
Forgive me if it is inappropriate to post my question here, but it
directly
relates to this thread. Isn't it better to add to an existing thread
rather
than start a new one? If not and you consider this to be hijacking and
think
I should create my own thread for this, please tell me, and very sorry for
posting here.

1. Mike, what do you mean by WinMe file set?
2. Do you mean one or all of these places that have CAB files?
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL
C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM [where I installed WinMe from]
3. Would all of these locations need updating, or just some?
4. Specifically *which* hotfixes (windows updates) for WinMe can be
integrated into the file set using msbatch?

I'd like to know how to use it to add drivers and certain updates to
create
a custom WinMe CD and an updated custom installation source point at
C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM. I've heard that drivers and the WinMe System Restore
Update 290700 can be included but that IE6SP1, DX90c, and WMP9 cannot. I
have the Win98 Resource Kit but do not know how to use msbatch. The book
is
technical at times and my DOS skills are novice.

5. Where can I learn more about how to use msbatch 98?
6. Which files do I need: batch.exe, infinst.exe, dbset.exe?
7. Would I have to initially run msbatch from my Win98se laptop instead of
my WinMe computer? It sounds like I may need to write a custom script
(.inf)
file. I don't know how to do that but am willing to learn. Thanks.
--
ForestSpirit
--
"Mike M" wrote in message
...
What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from
the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the
Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP






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Old January 15th 05, 02:51 PM
Mike M
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I don't know. I've never tried to run a command such as
ServicePack2.exe /integrate:drive/RTM
in a Command Window (DOS) in Win Me and am never likely to want to try to
do so, so you may well be right. On the face of it I see no reason why it
should not but likewise have some difficulty in understanding why someone
should want to try to do this since someone wishing to create a slipstream
copy of XP SP2 would presumable already have a PC running XP available to
them and if not could install XP RTM or XP SP1, not activate, build XP SP2
and then use the slipstreamed XP SP2.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



"looneytunesverizone.net" "looneytunesverizone.net" wrote:

That is one of the pages I looked at and printed out for reference.
What added to my confusion is the third paragraph under the initial
heading which says;

"Microsoft added the ability to Slipstream a Service Pack to Windows
2000 and Windows XP. It not only has the advantage that when you
(re)install your OS, you don't have to apply the Service Pack later,
also if you update any Windows component later, you'll be sure that
you get the correct installation files if Windows needs any."

It gives the impression that this ability is only available in XP or
2000. Maybe I am reading it too literally. I will certainly give it a
try.


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Old January 15th 05, 10:02 PM
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Mike M wrote:
I don't know. I've never tried to run a command such as
ServicePack2.exe /integrate:drive/RTM
in a Command Window (DOS) in Win Me and am never likely to want to try
to do so, so you may well be right. On the face of it I see no reason
why it should not but likewise have some difficulty in understanding why
someone should want to try to do this since someone wishing to create a
slipstream copy of XP SP2 would presumable already have a PC running XP
available to them and if not could install XP RTM or XP SP1, not
activate, build XP SP2 and then use the slipstreamed XP SP2.


Mike:

I guess the reason propelling my wish to create the slipstream CD is to
avoid the need to upgrade to XP and then to go through the installation
of SP2. Reading the XP newsgroups seems to indicate many have had some
problems after doing SP2 while others say the slipstream method is
easier and also leaves you with a disk suitable for a full reinstall if
necessary. Unless I read some of them wrong they say SP2 is such a
radical revision that your original XP CD can no longer be used for
repair or reinstall. If that is not true please let me know. I will be
adding quite a bit of new hardware to my system after the upgrade and
want to make sure XP works with it all before activation. BTW, your
reference to XP RTM means "retail"?? If all else fails, I can of course
follow your advice, install first then slipstream but in effect is that
much different from just running SP2? I appreciate your hanging with me
while I try to sort this out. I build my own machines and I am not
usually timid about changing things like operating systems but, the move
to XP is more than just an upgrade and I want to do it right the first
time. I have pretty much given up on the idea of a wipe and clean
install because I have too many applications that I do not want to
reinstall. So, please forgive the long post and any more helpful
suggestions would be appreciated.

sced13ri
  #10  
Old January 15th 05, 10:43 PM
Mike M
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Much that you are reading in the XP NGs about slipstreaming would appear
to be hocus pocus as it perhaps are some of the comments that you are
seeing about SP2. However you are quite correct in that an original RTM
(Release To Manufacturing) CD, (which might be thought of as SP0), cannot
be used to launch the repair console once an SP has been installed
although it can still be used for a repair install, although it will
return you to RTM, so ...

If all else fails, I can of course follow your advice, install first
then slipstream but in effect is that much different from just
running SP2?


It would appear that you didn't follow what I was trying to say which was
that you could:
a) Install XP using RTM or SP1 media,
b) Not bother to activate for reasons that will become obvious at d),
c) Create a slipstreamed XP SP2 CD,
d) Wipe your system and finally,
e) Clean install XP SP2 using the media you created at c).

Which other than for wishing you luck just leaves one question. How old
is the XP media you intend using? I ask as it is quite possible that if
recent that it will already be a slipstreamed SP2 copy. Personally I find
the main justification for installing XP using slipstreamed media rather
than to use RTM and then install the latest SP is the considerable saving
in space.

For example installing using slipstreamed SP2 media rather than installing
using RTM or SP1 media followed by installing SP2, avoids the creation of
the windows\servicepackfiles folder which for SP2 contains some 474MB of
files. For those like myself who like to keep their system partitions
"clean and lean" this is a considerable saving in space and results in a
smaller backup image size which is also quicker to create. The saving
over the space occupied for systems which were originally RTM and were
then upgraded to SP1 and then upgraded to SP2 is approaching 1GB.

Regards,
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



"looneytunesverizone.net" "looneytunesverizone.net" wrote

I guess the reason propelling my wish to create the slipstream CD is
to avoid the need to upgrade to XP and then to go through the
installation of SP2. Reading the XP newsgroups seems to indicate many
have had some problems after doing SP2 while others say the
slipstream method is easier and also leaves you with a disk suitable
for a full reinstall if necessary. Unless I read some of them wrong
they say SP2 is such a radical revision that your original XP CD can
no longer be used for repair or reinstall. If that is not true please
let me know. I will be adding quite a bit of new hardware to my
system after the upgrade and want to make sure XP works with it all
before activation. BTW, your reference to XP RTM means "retail"?? If
all else fails, I can of course follow your advice, install first
then slipstream but in effect is that much different from just
running SP2? I appreciate your hanging with me while I try to sort
this out. I build my own machines and I am not usually timid about
changing things like operating systems but, the move to XP is more
than just an upgrade and I want to do it right the first time. I have
pretty much given up on the idea of a wipe and clean install because
I have too many applications that I do not want to reinstall. So,
please forgive the long post and any more helpful suggestions would
be appreciated.


 




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