system slow down when copying large number of files

I just installed a new seagate 160 Gb drive. Because of win 98
problems with large drives I set the partition to 120 Gb.
Seagate's install program, discwizard for windows, failed twice
to copy all files. Seagates bootable floopy program also failed
to copy all the files. Both programs seemed to partition, format
and transfer win 98 ok. (I hope)

Now for the problem. While copying files from one drive to the
other, using windows explorer, the system gets slower and slower
when large numbers of files are being copied. Some of my
directories have over 12k files in them. After a reboot the
sytem works fine until I've copied a large number of files
again. The problem seems to be related only to the number of
files copied and not total size of all the files. For instance
the directories with over 12k files contain less than 2 gig each
while a directory containing 27 gig but only 500 files copied
fine.

Is this a problem with win 98? There also seems to be a limit of
16,383 or 16,384 files per directory, is that also a win 98
limit? This win 98 is first edition with all service packs and
updates installed. TIA.

Have a look here --
Win9x Explorer vs. Bulk File Ops:
http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


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I just installed a new seagate 160 Gb drive. Because of win 98
problems with large drives I set the partition to 120 Gb.
Seagate's install program, discwizard for windows, failed twice
to copy all files. Seagates bootable floopy program also failed
to copy all the files. Both programs seemed to partition, format
and transfer win 98 ok. (I hope)

Now for the problem. While copying files from one drive to the
other, using windows explorer, the system gets slower and slower
when large numbers of files are being copied. Some of my
directories have over 12k files in them. After a reboot the
sytem works fine until I've copied a large number of files
again. The problem seems to be related only to the number of
files copied and not total size of all the files. For instance
the directories with over 12k files contain less than 2 gig each
while a directory containing 27 gig but only 500 files copied
fine.

Is this a problem with win 98? There also seems to be a limit of
16,383 or 16,384 files per directory, is that also a win 98
limit? This win 98 is first edition with all service packs and
updates installed. TIA.

Besides the link that glee gave you, there is one more thing to mention about
your specific problem. The way you are doing it is a known issue separate
from the specific IE6 problem that the link describes.

I've seen W98 FE with 'any' IE version installed do the same thing you
describe when you start copying files the way you've indicated. You can try
not highlighting all the files at once when you do that copy but only
do controlled sections at a time, otherwise, but still sooner or later
explorer memory allocations or whatever gets confounded and the copy time
will more than triple unless you reboot. (this is a side step issue from the
IE6 delete hang problem) I use to complain about your issue too years ago
with FE. It has never been fixed. If you also happen to have IE6
installed on your unit then you will also be blessed with all the other
problems that the link talks about too, but if you just have IE5x installed
then you will still have the problems you mention but not the other problems.

Anyway, actually the best way to copy large amounts of hard drives partitions
data is using Imaging software in dos, or some disk to disk softs, or some
softs will even do it from windows on virtual spaces, but where none of these
problems you mention exist, and also you can keep all the original folder
dates as well.

Rick



wrote:
I just installed a new seagate 160 Gb drive. Because of win 98
problems with large drives I set the partition to 120 Gb.
Seagate's install program, discwizard for windows, failed twice
to copy all files. Seagates bootable floopy program also failed
to copy all the files. Both programs seemed to partition, format
and transfer win 98 ok. (I hope)

Now for the problem. While copying files from one drive to the
other, using windows explorer, the system gets slower and slower
when large numbers of files are being copied. Some of my
directories have over 12k files in them. After a reboot the
sytem works fine until I've copied a large number of files
again. The problem seems to be related only to the number of
files copied and not total size of all the files. For instance
the directories with over 12k files contain less than 2 gig each
while a directory containing 27 gig but only 500 files copied
fine.

Is this a problem with win 98? There also seems to be a limit of
16,383 or 16,384 files per directory, is that also a win 98
limit? This win 98 is first edition with all service packs and
updates installed. TIA.

Thanks for the info guys. So its pretty much what I figured,
another bug in a M$ product. I swear I do honestly believe M$
hires only highschool dropout hackers to write code for them.
That or the problems stem from IBM's poor choice in cpu's when
the 68k's were available.

Well thanks again.

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
Besides the link that glee gave you, there is one more thing
to mention about
your specific problem. The way you are doing it is a known
issue separate
from the specific IE6 problem that the link describes.

I've seen W98 FE with 'any' IE version installed do the same
thing you
describe when you start copying files the way you've
indicated. You can try
not highlighting all the files at once when you do that copy
but only
do controlled sections at a time, otherwise, but still sooner
or later
explorer memory allocations or whatever gets confounded and
the copy time
will more than triple unless you reboot. (this is a side step
issue from the
IE6 delete hang problem) I use to complain about your issue
too years ago
with FE. It has never been fixed. If you also happen to
have IE6
installed on your unit then you will also be blessed with all
the other
problems that the link talks about too, but if you just have
IE5x installed
then you will still have the problems you mention but not the
other problems.

Anyway, actually the best way to copy large amounts of hard
drives partitions
data is using Imaging software in dos, or some disk to disk
softs, or some
softs will even do it from windows on virtual spaces, but
where none of these
problems you mention exist, and also you can keep all the
original folder
dates as well.

Rick



wrote:
I just installed a new seagate 160 Gb drive. Because of win
98
problems with large drives I set the partition to 120 Gb.
Seagate's install program, discwizard for windows, failed
twice
to copy all files. Seagates bootable floopy program also
failed
to copy all the files. Both programs seemed to partition,
format
and transfer win 98 ok. (I hope)

Now for the problem. While copying files from one drive to
the
other, using windows explorer, the system gets slower and
slower
when large numbers of files are being copied. Some of my
directories have over 12k files in them. After a reboot the
sytem works fine until I've copied a large number of files
again. The problem seems to be related only to the number of
files copied and not total size of all the files. For
instance
the directories with over 12k files contain less than 2 gig
each
while a directory containing 27 gig but only 500 files
copied
fine.

Is this a problem with win 98? There also seems to be a
limit of
16,383 or 16,384 files per directory, is that also a win 98
limit? This win 98 is first edition with all service packs
and
updates installed. TIA.

I can suggest FAR (http://www.rarsoft.com/download.htm) to accomplish what you need while still using a GUI interface. XXcopy (www.xxcopy.com) can work too.

Ivan


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Thanks for the info guys. So its pretty much what I figured,
another bug in a M$ product. I swear I do honestly believe M$
hires only highschool dropout hackers to write code for them.
That or the problems stem from IBM's poor choice in cpu's when
the 68k's were available.

Well thanks again.

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
Besides the link that glee gave you, there is one more thing
to mention about
your specific problem. The way you are doing it is a known
issue separate
from the specific IE6 problem that the link describes.

I've seen W98 FE with 'any' IE version installed do the same
thing you
describe when you start copying files the way you've
indicated. You can try
not highlighting all the files at once when you do that copy
but only
do controlled sections at a time, otherwise, but still sooner
or later
explorer memory allocations or whatever gets confounded and
the copy time
will more than triple unless you reboot. (this is a side step
issue from the
IE6 delete hang problem) I use to complain about your issue
too years ago
with FE. It has never been fixed. If you also happen to
have IE6
installed on your unit then you will also be blessed with all
the other
problems that the link talks about too, but if you just have
IE5x installed
then you will still have the problems you mention but not the
other problems.

Anyway, actually the best way to copy large amounts of hard
drives partitions
data is using Imaging software in dos, or some disk to disk
softs, or some
softs will even do it from windows on virtual spaces, but
where none of these
problems you mention exist, and also you can keep all the
original folder
dates as well.

Rick



wrote:
I just installed a new seagate 160 Gb drive. Because of win
98
problems with large drives I set the partition to 120 Gb.
Seagate's install program, discwizard for windows, failed
twice
to copy all files. Seagates bootable floopy program also
failed
to copy all the files. Both programs seemed to partition,
format
and transfer win 98 ok. (I hope)

Now for the problem. While copying files from one drive to
the
other, using windows explorer, the system gets slower and
slower
when large numbers of files are being copied. Some of my
directories have over 12k files in them. After a reboot the
sytem works fine until I've copied a large number of files
again. The problem seems to be related only to the number of
files copied and not total size of all the files. For
instance
the directories with over 12k files contain less than 2 gig
each
while a directory containing 27 gig but only 500 files
copied
fine.

Is this a problem with win 98? There also seems to be a
limit of
16,383 or 16,384 files per directory, is that also a win 98
limit? This win 98 is first edition with all service packs
and
updates installed. TIA.