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“On June 1, Microsoft will be progressively closing newsgroups and helping active newsgroups users migrate their discussions to the refreshed Microsoft forums that include Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN. This decision was made in an effort to provide the best community and support resources and experience to our customers with social features and functionalities that address their feedback and needs.” -- Fortune favors the bold. |
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"Corday" wrote in message
news ![]() Quote from Microsoft. “On June 1, Microsoft will be progressively closing newsgroups and helping active newsgroups users migrate their discussions to the refreshed Microsoft forums that include Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN. This decision was made in an effort to provide the best community and support resources and experience to our customers with social features and functionalities that address their feedback and needs.” -- Fortune favors the bold. Unfortunately, it's been all too obviously the way things were going for the past few years. MS have spent large sums of money on the pretty forums, and almost nothing on NNTP - and then in Win7 took away the means for anyone to access NG's without a third-party program (or a complex hack to install Win Mail on Win7), by not including an email/NNTP client. As soon as that decision had been taken, the fate of the NG's was obvious, and imminent. From what I understand, low-volume NG's will be the first to go - and most of ME's groups are effectively zero-volume. We can expect to see close-down notices in all the ME groups except possibly this one, by the first week of June, and this one shortly after - my understanding is that they want to close the servers before the end of the year (but whether it's the MS year, the Financial year, or the Calendar year, I have no idea). RIP easy-access assistance! NNTP is dead - long live Forums (or is it Fora?), where control is the name of the game, and if you speak out of turn, look out! -- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk |
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From: "Noel Paton"
| Unfortunately, it's been all too obviously the way things were going for the | past few years. MS have spent large sums of money on the pretty forums, and | almost nothing on NNTP - and then in Win7 took away the means for anyone to | access NG's without a third-party program (or a complex hack to install Win | Mail on Win7), by not including an email/NNTP client. | As soon as that decision had been taken, the fate of the NG's was obvious, | and imminent. | From what I understand, low-volume NG's will be the first to go - and most | of ME's groups are effectively zero-volume. | We can expect to see close-down notices in all the ME groups except possibly | this one, by the first week of June, and this one shortly after - my | understanding is that they want to close the servers before the end of the | year (but whether it's the MS year, the Financial year, or the Calendar | year, I have no idea). | RIP easy-access assistance! | NNTP is dead - long live Forums (or is it Fora?), where control is the name | of the game, and if you speak out of turn, look out! Adobe killed is Usenet. US ISPs dropped Usenet. Google Groups has ALLOWED abuse and spam and they are killing Usenet. Slowly but surely, Usenet as we know, it is be dismantled and killed-off :-( -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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"Noel Paton" wrote in message
... "Corday" wrote in message news ![]() Quote from Microsoft. “On June 1, Microsoft will be progressively closing newsgroups and helping active newsgroups users migrate their discussions to the refreshed Microsoft forums that include Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN. This decision was made in an effort to provide the best community and support resources and experience to our customers with social features and functionalities that address their feedback and needs.” -- Fortune favors the bold. Unfortunately, it's been all too obviously the way things were going for the past few years. MS have spent large sums of money on the pretty forums, and almost nothing on NNTP - and then in Win7 took away the means for anyone to access NG's without a third-party program (or a complex hack to install Win Mail on Win7), by not including an email/NNTP client. As soon as that decision had been taken, the fate of the NG's was obvious, and imminent. From what I understand, low-volume NG's will be the first to go - and most of ME's groups are effectively zero-volume. We can expect to see close-down notices in all the ME groups except possibly this one, by the first week of June, and this one shortly after - my understanding is that they want to close the servers before the end of the year (but whether it's the MS year, the Financial year, or the Calendar year, I have no idea). RIP easy-access assistance! NNTP is dead - long live Forums (or is it Fora?), where control is the name of the game, and if you speak out of turn, look out! http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm -- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk |
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![]() http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm http://www.microsoft.com/communities...s/default.mspx -- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk |
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![]() "Corday" wrote in message news ![]() Quote from Microsoft. “On June 1, Microsoft will be progressively closing newsgroups and helping active newsgroups users migrate their discussions to the refreshed Microsoft forums that include Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN. This decision was made in an effort to provide the best community and support resources and experience to our customers with social features and functionalities that address their feedback and needs.” They have a way to make themselves look like lifesavers and yet, all they do is, promote their own interests and financial gain. But that's what they are in business for, or? Myself, I couldn't care less. After more than a decade 'on the internet' I know better. Any necessary adjustments should come easy. Thanks for keeping us up to date, Corday. Harry. -- Fortune favors the bold. |
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![]() "Corday" wrote in message news ![]() Quote from Microsoft. “On June 1, Microsoft will be progressively closing newsgroups and helping active newsgroups users migrate their discussions to the refreshed Microsoft forums that include Microsoft Answers, TechNet and MSDN. This decision was made in an effort to provide the best community and support resources and experience to our customers with social features and functionalities that address their feedback and needs.” http://www.microsoft.com/communities...s/default.mspx -- Fortune favors the bold. |
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Corday wrote:
On June 1, Microsoft will be progressively closing newsgroups Yea - on their NNTP servers. These microsoft.public groups are propagated world-wide. They will continue to be propagated worldwide no matter what Microsoft does with their own server. Microsoft does not control these groups - nobody or no single server can control a usenet newsgroup or a hirearchy of groups. A lot of people don't realize or understand this fact. Microsoft has already been removing newsgroups from their server. They did it last year - and those groups still exist on the world-wide usenet. ----------------- Subject: Household in microsoft.* hierarchy Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:49:54 -0500 Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies Julien LIE wrote: 535 newsgroups have been removed this morning on news.microsoft.com ------------------ This decision was made in an effort to provide the best community and support resources and experience to our customers This decision was made in an effort to cut costs and reduce admin staff and operational headaches caused by hackers that constantly use Microsoft servers to emit spam into the microsoft groups, as well reduce the amount of information being made available to circumvent license copying, copy protection and product-key sharing. Microsoft announced a few months ago some new scheme for having MVP's provide end-user support via some special web-forum or web-site they were going to set up. I think it involved a way that payment or renumeration could be funneled to MVP's from end users. I have heard squat about so far. It's funny how Microsoft first spun their usenet peering back in 1996: ---------------- http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p.../nwsgrppr.mspx Microsoft PressPass - Microsoft Announces Internet Newsgroups For Peer-to-Peer Discussions on Microsoft Products REDMOND, Wash., April 9, 1996 Microsoft Corp. today announced the addition of no-charge Microsoft-sponsored NNTP newsgroups on the Internet to its family of Information Services offerings. This new service boosts Microsoft's Internet presence and further addresses customer demand for one-stop information and services over the Internet. Microsoft is investing in the newsgroups to create a community in which customers can share technical information about Microsoft products and technologies. Microsoft Newsgroups are scheduled to be live and accessible to customers on April 15, 1996, via the Support area of the Microsoft World Wide Web site (http://www.microsoft.com/support/). |
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"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Corday wrote: On June 1, Microsoft will be progressively closing newsgroups Yea - on their NNTP servers. These microsoft.public groups are propagated world-wide. They will continue to be propagated worldwide no matter what Microsoft does with their own server. Microsoft does not control these groups - nobody or no single server can control a usenet newsgroup or a hirearchy of groups. A lot of people don't realize or understand this fact. Microsoft has already been removing newsgroups from their server. They did it last year - and those groups still exist on the world-wide usenet. That's as may be - but the (vast?) majority of posts to these groups comes directly through MS's servers, which means that when they pull the plug, most of those people are not going to bother to find the few free NNTP servers left, and will instead go to the forums. The traffic on the groups will nose-dive, and they'll be left as a rump of their former selves. For Legacy products,such as 9x, this will certainly be a death-knell - and since Win7 contains no way to get to NNTP, we can assume that no new users will come to the groups to solve problems on their older machines - they'll take the path of least resistance and go to the forums instead. Traffic to the MS groups has reportedly dropped by 50% over the past year - no surprise, since MS has been directing people to the forums, rather than the groups, and the 100 million early-adopters of Win 7 have no way to get here anyway, without searching for (freebie) software, and then working out WTF to do with it. The rest of Usenet (of which strictly speaking, these groups are not part) is also suffering a lingering death, except for those groups dealing in file sharing and suchlike. MS's decision, while unwelcome, has been completely predictable since the rise of the forum, and MS's decision to spend heavily in that area while neglecting NNTP effectively made the move not just inevitable, but imperative. -- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk |
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I'll have to go and see if I can find home on the eternal-september server,
I know Windows 7 is on there, I have a few others as well. Not sure without looking if the BT server carries it, they have 7. I'll have to do a bit of digging around, and bring them into my WLM while I still have the list g -- Joan Archer http://crossstitcher.webs.com/ "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... "98 Guy" wrote in message ... Corday wrote: On June 1, Microsoft will be progressively closing newsgroups Yea - on their NNTP servers. These microsoft.public groups are propagated world-wide. They will continue to be propagated worldwide no matter what Microsoft does with their own server. Microsoft does not control these groups - nobody or no single server can control a usenet newsgroup or a hirearchy of groups. A lot of people don't realize or understand this fact. Microsoft has already been removing newsgroups from their server. They did it last year - and those groups still exist on the world-wide usenet. That's as may be - but the (vast?) majority of posts to these groups comes directly through MS's servers, which means that when they pull the plug, most of those people are not going to bother to find the few free NNTP servers left, and will instead go to the forums. The traffic on the groups will nose-dive, and they'll be left as a rump of their former selves. For Legacy products,such as 9x, this will certainly be a death-knell - and since Win7 contains no way to get to NNTP, we can assume that no new users will come to the groups to solve problems on their older machines - they'll take the path of least resistance and go to the forums instead. Traffic to the MS groups has reportedly dropped by 50% over the past year - no surprise, since MS has been directing people to the forums, rather than the groups, and the 100 million early-adopters of Win 7 have no way to get here anyway, without searching for (freebie) software, and then working out WTF to do with it. The rest of Usenet (of which strictly speaking, these groups are not part) is also suffering a lingering death, except for those groups dealing in file sharing and suchlike. MS's decision, while unwelcome, has been completely predictable since the rise of the forum, and MS's decision to spend heavily in that area while neglecting NNTP effectively made the move not just inevitable, but imperative. -- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk |
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