I'm out...

I'm outta here.

I have shown you what I know about the patch and protecting yourselves. I
have projects to get out and must concentrate on them at this time.

Ultimately (in PCs as in life), your seurity is in your hands. Do your
research. Listen to whom you trust.

I wish you all the very best in this new year.

Have fun and be safe.

Jim

In ,
Jim had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

I'm outta here.

I have shown you what I know about the patch and protecting
yourselves. I have projects to get out and must concentrate on them
at this time.
Ultimately (in PCs as in life), your seurity is in your hands. Do
your research. Listen to whom you trust.

I wish you all the very best in this new year.

Have fun and be safe.

Jim

Thanks for stopping by and sharing what you know. Just, well, for the record
you, you don't have to leave. You can stay, help, visit, etc... You can even
ask questions too. Well, I don't think you have to leave? I'm not aware of
anyone with your nick having been ousted. g Of course, well, I could be
wrong... I have been wrong once or twice before. *cough* Err, once or twice
an hour is probably more accurate. :-)

--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
http://kgiii.info/

"We approached the case, you remember, with an absolutely blank mind,
which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were simply
there to observe and to draw inferences from our observations." -
Sherlock Holmes

Thank you.

But, I'm afraid I do have to leave. I am working on a new self-help
application and search page that I need to finish ASAP.

I will probably look at these threads every once in a while, but it will
have to something major for me to get involved with this thread again.

Basically, some posters that disagree are confortable downplaying a threat
that they have neither tested nor disected. They want to turn this into a
shouting match - which it isn't.

It basically comes down to a few simple facts. There is a new Windows
exploit. It can affect all Windows PCs since Windows 3.0 (some by just
surfing the web...others if they intentionally open an infected file).
Microsoft is downplaying the severity of the problem. Anti-virus sites are
NOT downplaying the severity of this exploit. There is an unofficial patch
created by a concerned, talented, low-level programmer that will offer
protection against this exploit until Microsoft issues it's patch.....in
another 7 days or so.

Now, it's up to users to do thier homework. Check with trusted news sources
like CNN, CNET, SANS, F-Secure and many others. Search for "WMF".

If you are comfortable with the patch (considering how many security
professionals and organizations are suggesting that it be adopted as a
short-term fix), install it. If not, unplug your XP-2003 computers until
Microsoft issues a patch or take your chances. Whatever you are comfortable
with...

At this point, this exploit storm is getting stronger....not weaker.

The problems will be the DDOS attacks, internet slow-down and increased SPAM
resulting from unpatched machines (both before and after Microsoft issues
thir patch) being used as bots by hackers exploiting this flaw.

In any event, I didn't mean to be an alarmist....only to provide what
information I had and let the users concerned about the WMF exploits take
action to protect their machines.

We do programming and small business network administration. Ater our own
testing, have distributed the patch to all client workstations and PCs
(XP-2003) as an extra level of protection against the WMF exploits in
circulation. Whenl Microsoft's patch is available, we will untinstall the
patch, create a restore point, install Microsoft's solution and cross our
fingers.

Good luck to you all.

Jim

"Galen" wrote in message
...
In ,
Jim had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

I'm outta here.

I have shown you what I know about the patch and protecting
yourselves. I have projects to get out and must concentrate on them
at this time.
Ultimately (in PCs as in life), your seurity is in your hands. Do
your research. Listen to whom you trust.

I wish you all the very best in this new year.

Have fun and be safe.

Jim

Thanks for stopping by and sharing what you know. Just, well, for the
record you, you don't have to leave. You can stay, help, visit, etc... You
can even ask questions too. Well, I don't think you have to leave? I'm not
aware of anyone with your nick having been ousted. g Of course, well, I
could be wrong... I have been wrong once or twice before. *cough* Err,
once or twice an hour is probably more accurate. :-)

--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
http://kgiii.info/

"We approached the case, you remember, with an absolutely blank mind,
which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were simply
there to observe and to draw inferences from our observations." -
Sherlock Holmes

But wasn't the point of your post to urge Win ME users to install a patch
that's only for NT-based systems?

Perhaps you've mistaken the debate in xp.general for posts from here? Or did
you post about the exploit in a different thread, here? Otherwise this
thread reads - despite Galen's politeness - as leaning towards a petulance
typically exhibited by one universally-despised troll or the sociopathic
dishonesty of another.

After all, Heirloom had already brought the subject up and there are plenty
of us aware of it sufficiently that when there *is* a 9x version, it'll be
posted of, here, for all to decide for themselves about, by any of a no. of
regulars, including by the only one that responded to your original post in
this thread.

Or do you simply think that this exploit must be warned about as though by
someone running through the streets shouting, in which case shouldn't you
cross-post to *all* newsgroups?

Or am I supposed to search - again - windowsme.general for your earlier
thread, presumably posted under a different name, in order to appreciate why
you appear to be leaving in a huff, possibly slamming the door on your way
out?


Baffled of Britain

--


The Sugitive

Chapter One: http://tinyurl.com/bcevp

Chapter Two: http://tinyurl.com/ag92o

Chapter Three: Coming to an URL near you soon!

------------------------------------

"Jim" wrote in message
.. .
Thank you.

But, I'm afraid I do have to leave. I am working on a new self-help
application and search page that I need to finish ASAP.

I will probably look at these threads every once in a while, but it will
have to something major for me to get involved with this thread again.

Basically, some posters that disagree are confortable downplaying a threat
that they have neither tested nor disected. They want to turn this into a
shouting match - which it isn't.

It basically comes down to a few simple facts. There is a new Windows
exploit. It can affect all Windows PCs since Windows 3.0 (some by just
surfing the web...others if they intentionally open an infected file).
Microsoft is downplaying the severity of the problem. Anti-virus sites
are NOT downplaying the severity of this exploit. There is an unofficial
patch created by a concerned, talented, low-level programmer that will
offer protection against this exploit until Microsoft issues it's
patch.....in another 7 days or so.

Now, it's up to users to do thier homework. Check with trusted news
sources like CNN, CNET, SANS, F-Secure and many others. Search for "WMF".

If you are comfortable with the patch (considering how many security
professionals and organizations are suggesting that it be adopted as a
short-term fix), install it. If not, unplug your XP-2003 computers until
Microsoft issues a patch or take your chances. Whatever you are
comfortable with...

At this point, this exploit storm is getting stronger....not weaker.

The problems will be the DDOS attacks, internet slow-down and increased
SPAM resulting from unpatched machines (both before and after Microsoft
issues thir patch) being used as bots by hackers exploiting this flaw.

In any event, I didn't mean to be an alarmist....only to provide what
information I had and let the users concerned about the WMF exploits take
action to protect their machines.

We do programming and small business network administration. Ater our own
testing, have distributed the patch to all client workstations and PCs
(XP-2003) as an extra level of protection against the WMF exploits in
circulation. Whenl Microsoft's patch is available, we will untinstall the
patch, create a restore point, install Microsoft's solution and cross our
fingers.

Good luck to you all.

Jim

"Galen" wrote in message
...
In ,
Jim had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

I'm outta here.

I have shown you what I know about the patch and protecting
yourselves. I have projects to get out and must concentrate on them
at this time.
Ultimately (in PCs as in life), your seurity is in your hands. Do
your research. Listen to whom you trust.

I wish you all the very best in this new year.

Have fun and be safe.

Jim

Thanks for stopping by and sharing what you know. Just, well, for the
record you, you don't have to leave. You can stay, help, visit, etc...
You can even ask questions too. Well, I don't think you have to leave?
I'm not aware of anyone with your nick having been ousted. g Of course,
well, I could be wrong... I have been wrong once or twice before. *cough*
Err, once or twice an hour is probably more accurate. :-)

--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
http://kgiii.info/

"We approached the case, you remember, with an absolutely blank mind,
which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were simply
there to observe and to draw inferences from our observations." -
Sherlock Holmes

"Shane" wrote in message
...
But wasn't the point of your post to urge Win ME users to install a patch
that's only for NT-based systems?

No. It was to let users of Win ME know that (1) they can be affected if
they open an infected image, and (2) to alert Windows users (no matter what
OS version) to the problem, so that they can practise safe computing on XP
systems.
....

Or do you simply think that this exploit must be warned about as though by
someone running through the streets shouting, in which case shouldn't you
cross-post to *all* newsgroups?

No. I think the posted groups are sufficient to start the ball rolling.


Or am I supposed to search - again - windowsme.general for your earlier
thread, presumably posted under a different name, in order to appreciate
why you appear to be leaving in a huff, possibly slamming the door on your
way out?

Not leaving in a huff. Just too busy for trolls right now.

Jim

I have shown you what I know about the patch and protecting
yourselves.

Much of which was and is irrelevant to those running Win Me or other Win
9x systems.

I have projects to get out and must concentrate on them at this time.

This would be a good time to do so.
--
Mike Maltby



Jim wrote:

I'm outta here.

I have shown you what I know about the patch and protecting
yourselves. I have projects to get out and must concentrate on them
at this time.
Ultimately (in PCs as in life), your seurity is in your hands. Do
your research. Listen to whom you trust.

I wish you all the very best in this new year.

Have fun and be safe.

Jim

"Jim" wrote in message
.. .

"Shane" wrote in message
...
But wasn't the point of your post to urge Win ME users to install a patch
that's only for NT-based systems?

No. It was to let users of Win ME know that (1) they can be affected if
they open an infected image, and (2) to alert Windows users (no matter
what OS version) to the problem, so that they can practise safe computing
on XP systems.

There are a no. of us here who've been trying to preach Safe Hex for years.
Obviously it's a matter of opinion but I think you're wasting your time,
they won't learn until they get infected.

Meanwhile, like Mike, I'd like to know if you actually know of any 9x
machines that have been infected. Obviously, if you do, we are two (of many)
who do need to know (not least because we will spread the word) but also, as
he says, you need to tell Microsoft. If you're implying that Mike is
trolling by asking, then you need to step back - as he suggests - and calm
down.

...

Or do you simply think that this exploit must be warned about as though
by someone running through the streets shouting, in which case shouldn't
you cross-post to *all* newsgroups?

No. I think the posted groups are sufficient to start the ball rolling.

I don't think anyone using Win ME who's also using Win XP - and this group -
is unaware of the issue and the only ones who might start spreading the word
are the naive who, if anything, will panic (like the ones who unwittingly
spread the hoaxes. Remember, that is undesirable also).



Or am I supposed to search - again - windowsme.general for your earlier
thread, presumably posted under a different name, in order to appreciate
why you appear to be leaving in a huff, possibly slamming the door on
your way out?

Not leaving in a huff. Just too busy for trolls right now.


I didn't see any, and that was basically my point.

Shane

--


The Sugitive

Chapter One: http://tinyurl.com/bcevp

Chapter Two: http://tinyurl.com/ag92o

Chapter Three: Coming to an URL near you soon!

------------------------------------

I see Tom V. also responded to the original post and I don't know why I
didn't see that one. But that is even less deserving - if that's possible -
of dismissing as trolling.

One point I didn't include before was that your posts are too
detailed/technical to be understood by your apparent target audience.

The two trolls I alluded to - that no sane person would want to be mistaken
for - share an apparent conviction of being the foremost authority on
matters of computer security whilst being quite plainly so ignorant as to be
unable to see real experts all about them, or to even begin to appreciate
their own limitations. Perhaps you do not over-estimate your own competence,
but the jury's out as to whether you under-estimate that of the regulars
here.

Shane

--


The Sugitive

Chapter One: http://tinyurl.com/bcevp

Chapter Two: http://tinyurl.com/ag92o

Chapter Three: Coming to an URL near you soon!

------------------------------------