Loss of contact - Mouse and Keyboard.

A bit of an oddball one.

(1)
After a short time when (say) browsing a web page, the scroll function on
the mouse stops working, however a left click in the area gets it back to
work again. There is no problem with the pointer or clicks.

(2)
After opening a dos window, after a short time the window minimises all by
itself. A left click on the minimised window will reopen it to where it was
before it closed.

(3)
While typing in a window (ie - typing out this message in OE Express), the
blue bar at the top goes grey, and the window stops accepting characters. A
left click in the working space restores the blue bar, and typing proceeds
as normal for a while.

Overall the effect is like the active window closing all by itself, but none
of the others become active in its place.

Board is a ASUS CUSL2-C with a 733mH Pentium Win 98se

Problem appeared after adding a sound blaster audio, a Gainward Geforce
FX5200 (Nvida), a Samsung DVDwriter, and a PV-BT878P+ TV card.

Although each component was added seperatley, and all drivers installed
before going on to the next device, I didnt really notice the problem untill
everything was installed. Although it is possible that the problem existed
before I installed the TV, as I remember that there was some oddball
behaviour when I went to register the DVD on the Samsung site.

Any pointers??

Thanks
Ian F

Did you install any programming other than pure & simple drivers along =
with any of this hardware? If this behavior is regularly repeatable =
(meaning you can fairly easily determine if it's "fixed" or not), I'd =
first try using MSCONFIG to disable all items in the Startup tab, =
restart, then see if the behavior is gone. Best that you physically =
disconnect your system from any network, including the internet, during =
these tests, since your AV will probably be among the apps that are =
disabled.

If you see that getting rid of backup apps "fixes" the problem, the =
fastest way to determine which one(s) is to do it by halves. Re-enable =
half of the items, restart. If the behavior comes back, you know the =
culprit is in the half you enabled, or vice versa (no error, culprit is =
in half you left disabled.) You then halve that portion that you have =
determined includes the culprit. If you find the culprit in this manner, =
post back for further advice.

If the behavior continues even when background apps have been disabled, =
then it is most likely a drivers/hardware problem. Selectively disabling =
devices in Device Manager is how you t-shoot those. If it appears to be =
hardware related, I'd recommend reviewing the Device Manager in Safe =
Mode, looking for duplicate entries (exact duplicates) and entries for =
hardware that you've previously removed. Only in the System and USB =
sections is it normal to see some duplicates (unless you really do have =
two identical hard drives, for instance.) There are some issues that =
need to be considered when cleaning up things in Safe Mode Device =
Manager, so if you post a list of what you found (just the duplicates) =
it will be easier to give explicit advice tailored to your particular =
situation.

--=20
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
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"mgamgb" wrote in message =
...
A bit of an oddball one.
=20
(1)
After a short time when (say) browsing a web page, the scroll function =
on
the mouse stops working, however a left click in the area gets it back =
to
work again. There is no problem with the pointer or clicks.
=20
(2)
After opening a dos window, after a short time the window minimises =
all by
itself. A left click on the minimised window will reopen it to where =
it was
before it closed.
=20
(3)
While typing in a window (ie - typing out this message in OE Express), =
the
blue bar at the top goes grey, and the window stops accepting =
characters. A
left click in the working space restores the blue bar, and typing =
proceeds
as normal for a while.
=20
Overall the effect is like the active window closing all by itself, =
but none
of the others become active in its place.
=20
Board is a ASUS CUSL2-C with a 733mH Pentium Win 98se
=20
Problem appeared after adding a sound blaster audio, a Gainward =
Geforce
FX5200 (Nvida), a Samsung DVDwriter, and a PV-BT878P+ TV card.
=20
Although each component was added seperatley, and all drivers =
installed
before going on to the next device, I didnt really notice the problem =
untill
everything was installed. Although it is possible that the problem =
existed
before I installed the TV, as I remember that there was some oddball
behaviour when I went to register the DVD on the Samsung site.
=20
Any pointers??
=20
Thanks
Ian F
=20
=20
=20

Whoo Hoooo!

Thanks for insight Gary.

There is a liveupdate programme (C:\Program Files\SAMSUNG\FW
LiveUpdate\LiveUpdate.exe) associated with the Samsung dvd software that was
installed amongst other Samsung stuff, along with the dvd drivers.

This was periodically trying to contact its home site, and was being blocked
by Norton because no rules had been set for it.

However, for some reason the Norton warning screen was not being displayed,
but became the active window anyway, therefore the window that I was using
at the time became inactive untill I restored it with a left click in its
space.

I have disabled it in the startup list, and will have a play with it later.
Getting close to midnight here - gotta go to work tomorrow

Also I guess, I should find out why the Norton warning window was not
displaying - but thats for tomorrow too - any ideas?.

Thanks Ian F

BTW - Sods Law holds true - after
halving/quartering/eigthing/sixteenthing - the 'baddie' was one of the last
two files to get tried.





"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Did you install any programming other than pure & simple drivers along with
any of this hardware? If this behavior is regularly repeatable (meaning you
can fairly easily determine if it's "fixed" or not), I'd first try using
MSCONFIG to disable all items in the Startup tab, restart, then see if the
behavior is gone. Best that you physically disconnect your system from any
network, including the internet, during these tests, since your AV will
probably be among the apps that are disabled.

If you see that getting rid of backup apps "fixes" the problem, the fastest
way to determine which one(s) is to do it by halves. Re-enable half of the
items, restart. If the behavior comes back, you know the culprit is in the
half you enabled, or vice versa (no error, culprit is in half you left
disabled.) You then halve that portion that you have determined includes the
culprit. If you find the culprit in this manner, post back for further
advice.

If the behavior continues even when background apps have been disabled, then
it is most likely a drivers/hardware problem. Selectively disabling devices
in Device Manager is how you t-shoot those. If it appears to be hardware
related, I'd recommend reviewing the Device Manager in Safe Mode, looking
for duplicate entries (exact duplicates) and entries for hardware that
you've previously removed. Only in the System and USB sections is it normal
to see some duplicates (unless you really do have two identical hard drives,
for instance.) There are some issues that need to be considered when
cleaning up things in Safe Mode Device Manager, so if you post a list of
what you found (just the duplicates) it will be easier to give explicit
advice tailored to your particular situation.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"mgamgb" wrote in message
...
A bit of an oddball one.

(1)
After a short time when (say) browsing a web page, the scroll function on
the mouse stops working, however a left click in the area gets it back to
work again. There is no problem with the pointer or clicks.

(2)
After opening a dos window, after a short time the window minimises all by
itself. A left click on the minimised window will reopen it to where it
was
before it closed.

(3)
While typing in a window (ie - typing out this message in OE Express), the
blue bar at the top goes grey, and the window stops accepting characters.
A
left click in the working space restores the blue bar, and typing proceeds
as normal for a while.

Overall the effect is like the active window closing all by itself, but
none
of the others become active in its place.

Board is a ASUS CUSL2-C with a 733mH Pentium Win 98se

Problem appeared after adding a sound blaster audio, a Gainward Geforce
FX5200 (Nvida), a Samsung DVDwriter, and a PV-BT878P+ TV card.

Although each component was added seperatley, and all drivers installed
before going on to the next device, I didnt really notice the problem
untill
everything was installed. Although it is possible that the problem existed
before I installed the TV, as I remember that there was some oddball
behaviour when I went to register the DVD on the Samsung site.

Any pointers??

Thanks
Ian F

I don't diagnose problems involving Norton. My only recommendation in =
taht regard is to replace it with an AV and other apps that are less =
intrusive into the guts of Windows. See my Security article, he

"Security!"
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

While you're at it, this article might help, also.

"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

--=20
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
=20
"mgamgb" wrote in message =
...
Whoo Hoooo!
=20
Thanks for insight Gary.
=20
There is a liveupdate programme (C:\Program Files\SAMSUNG\FW
LiveUpdate\LiveUpdate.exe) associated with the Samsung dvd software =
that was
installed amongst other Samsung stuff, along with the dvd drivers.
=20
This was periodically trying to contact its home site, and was being =
blocked
by Norton because no rules had been set for it.
=20
However, for some reason the Norton warning screen was not being =
displayed,
but became the active window anyway, therefore the window that I was =
using
at the time became inactive untill I restored it with a left click in =
its
space.
=20
I have disabled it in the startup list, and will have a play with it =
later.
Getting close to midnight here - gotta go to work tomorrow
=20
Also I guess, I should find out why the Norton warning window was not
displaying - but thats for tomorrow too - any ideas?.
=20
Thanks Ian F
=20
BTW - Sods Law holds true - after
halving/quartering/eigthing/sixteenthing - the 'baddie' was one of =
the last
two files to get tried.
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Did you install any programming other than pure & simple drivers along =
with
any of this hardware? If this behavior is regularly repeatable =
(meaning you
can fairly easily determine if it's "fixed" or not), I'd first try =
using
MSCONFIG to disable all items in the Startup tab, restart, then see if =
the
behavior is gone. Best that you physically disconnect your system from =
any
network, including the internet, during these tests, since your AV =
will
probably be among the apps that are disabled.
=20
If you see that getting rid of backup apps "fixes" the problem, the =
fastest
way to determine which one(s) is to do it by halves. Re-enable half of =
the
items, restart. If the behavior comes back, you know the culprit is in =
the
half you enabled, or vice versa (no error, culprit is in half you left
disabled.) You then halve that portion that you have determined =
includes the
culprit. If you find the culprit in this manner, post back for further
advice.
=20
If the behavior continues even when background apps have been =
disabled, then
it is most likely a drivers/hardware problem. Selectively disabling =
devices
in Device Manager is how you t-shoot those. If it appears to be =
hardware
related, I'd recommend reviewing the Device Manager in Safe Mode, =
looking
for duplicate entries (exact duplicates) and entries for hardware that
you've previously removed. Only in the System and USB sections is it =
normal
to see some duplicates (unless you really do have two identical hard =
drives,
for instance.) There are some issues that need to be considered when
cleaning up things in Safe Mode Device Manager, so if you post a list =
of
what you found (just the duplicates) it will be easier to give =
explicit
advice tailored to your particular situation.
=20
--=20
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
=20
"mgamgb" wrote in message
...
A bit of an oddball one.

(1)
After a short time when (say) browsing a web page, the scroll =
function on
the mouse stops working, however a left click in the area gets it =
back to
work again. There is no problem with the pointer or clicks.

(2)
After opening a dos window, after a short time the window minimises =
all by
itself. A left click on the minimised window will reopen it to where =
it
was
before it closed.

(3)
While typing in a window (ie - typing out this message in OE =
Express), the
blue bar at the top goes grey, and the window stops accepting =
characters.
A
left click in the working space restores the blue bar, and typing =
proceeds
as normal for a while.

Overall the effect is like the active window closing all by itself, =
but
none
of the others become active in its place.

Board is a ASUS CUSL2-C with a 733mH Pentium Win 98se

Problem appeared after adding a sound blaster audio, a Gainward =
Geforce
FX5200 (Nvida), a Samsung DVDwriter, and a PV-BT878P+ TV card.

Although each component was added seperatley, and all drivers =
installed
before going on to the next device, I didnt really notice the =
problem
untill
everything was installed. Although it is possible that the problem =
existed
before I installed the TV, as I remember that there was some oddball
behaviour when I went to register the DVD on the Samsung site.

Any pointers??

Thanks
Ian F




=20

It appears to me you are using NIS or NPF. You can open whichever app =
your using, click Statistics View Logs Content Blocking. Click on a =
link in the upper window to view the details in the lower window. Then =
and only then if you wish, you can click on Ad Blocking Configure in =
the main window, click Advanced Add Site (if not already listed) and =
then set the rules for the site. IMO I would leave well enough alone and =
run the update manually whenever the itch to arises.=20

--=20

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"mgamgb" wrote in message =
...
Whoo Hoooo!
=20
Thanks for insight Gary.
=20
There is a liveupdate programme (C:\Program Files\SAMSUNG\FW
LiveUpdate\LiveUpdate.exe) associated with the Samsung dvd software =
that was
installed amongst other Samsung stuff, along with the dvd drivers.
=20
This was periodically trying to contact its home site, and was being =
blocked
by Norton because no rules had been set for it.
=20
However, for some reason the Norton warning screen was not being =
displayed,
but became the active window anyway, therefore the window that I was =
using
at the time became inactive untill I restored it with a left click in =
its
space.
=20
I have disabled it in the startup list, and will have a play with it =
later.
Getting close to midnight here - gotta go to work tomorrow
=20
Also I guess, I should find out why the Norton warning window was not
displaying - but thats for tomorrow too - any ideas?.
=20
Thanks Ian F
=20
BTW - Sods Law holds true - after
halving/quartering/eigthing/sixteenthing - the 'baddie' was one of =
the last
two files to get tried.
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Did you install any programming other than pure & simple drivers along =
with
any of this hardware? If this behavior is regularly repeatable =
(meaning you
can fairly easily determine if it's "fixed" or not), I'd first try =
using
MSCONFIG to disable all items in the Startup tab, restart, then see if =
the
behavior is gone. Best that you physically disconnect your system from =
any
network, including the internet, during these tests, since your AV =
will
probably be among the apps that are disabled.
=20
If you see that getting rid of backup apps "fixes" the problem, the =
fastest
way to determine which one(s) is to do it by halves. Re-enable half of =
the
items, restart. If the behavior comes back, you know the culprit is in =
the
half you enabled, or vice versa (no error, culprit is in half you left
disabled.) You then halve that portion that you have determined =
includes the
culprit. If you find the culprit in this manner, post back for further
advice.
=20
If the behavior continues even when background apps have been =
disabled, then
it is most likely a drivers/hardware problem. Selectively disabling =
devices
in Device Manager is how you t-shoot those. If it appears to be =
hardware
related, I'd recommend reviewing the Device Manager in Safe Mode, =
looking
for duplicate entries (exact duplicates) and entries for hardware that
you've previously removed. Only in the System and USB sections is it =
normal
to see some duplicates (unless you really do have two identical hard =
drives,
for instance.) There are some issues that need to be considered when
cleaning up things in Safe Mode Device Manager, so if you post a list =
of
what you found (just the duplicates) it will be easier to give =
explicit
advice tailored to your particular situation.
=20
--=20
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
=20
"mgamgb" wrote in message
...
A bit of an oddball one.

(1)
After a short time when (say) browsing a web page, the scroll =
function on
the mouse stops working, however a left click in the area gets it =
back to
work again. There is no problem with the pointer or clicks.

(2)
After opening a dos window, after a short time the window minimises =
all by
itself. A left click on the minimised window will reopen it to where =
it
was
before it closed.

(3)
While typing in a window (ie - typing out this message in OE =
Express), the
blue bar at the top goes grey, and the window stops accepting =
characters.
A
left click in the working space restores the blue bar, and typing =
proceeds
as normal for a while.

Overall the effect is like the active window closing all by itself, =
but
none
of the others become active in its place.

Board is a ASUS CUSL2-C with a 733mH Pentium Win 98se

Problem appeared after adding a sound blaster audio, a Gainward =
Geforce
FX5200 (Nvida), a Samsung DVDwriter, and a PV-BT878P+ TV card.

Although each component was added seperatley, and all drivers =
installed
before going on to the next device, I didnt really notice the problem
untill
everything was installed. Although it is possible that the problem =
existed
before I installed the TV, as I remember that there was some oddball
behaviour when I went to register the DVD on the Samsung site.

Any pointers??

Thanks
Ian F




=20

"mgamgb" wrote in message
...
A bit of an oddball one.

(1)
After a short time when (say) browsing a web page, the scroll function on
the mouse stops working, however a left click in the area gets it back to
work again. There is no problem with the pointer or clicks.

(2)
After opening a dos window, after a short time the window minimises all by
itself. A left click on the minimised window will reopen it to where it
was
before it closed.

(3)
While typing in a window (ie - typing out this message in OE Express), the
blue bar at the top goes grey, and the window stops accepting characters.
A
left click in the working space restores the blue bar, and typing proceeds
as normal for a while.

Overall the effect is like the active window closing all by itself, but
none
of the others become active in its place.

Board is a ASUS CUSL2-C with a 733mH Pentium Win 98se

Problem appeared after adding a sound blaster audio, a Gainward Geforce
FX5200 (Nvida), a Samsung DVDwriter, and a PV-BT878P+ TV card.

Although each component was added seperatley, and all drivers installed
before going on to the next device, I didnt really notice the problem
untill
everything was installed. Although it is possible that the problem existed
before I installed the TV, as I remember that there was some oddball
behaviour when I went to register the DVD on the Samsung site.

Any pointers??

Thanks
Ian F




Am suspecting two thngs causing your 3 problems.
One is probably the video adapter driver for the mouse scroll problem.
The remaining two problems are probably caused by an errant program
attempting to start in the background without notifying you or asking your
consent. This is not necessarily a virus, trojan etc. It may software that
you loaded as part of a driver package, not the driver itself.