problems with 32.dll when loading drivers

I see you installed something new from soporific, what was it?

I have outlined what would likely be the normal procedure in this situation
and the procedure when installing an un-official compilation. Perhaps it
might be beneficial for you to outline what you have already done. You
should also note that unless you follow the procedures and updates/patch
process being used in unofficial patchings by the creator of the patch, your
results will likely NOT reflect the same success.
That type of process requires one be prepared to re-install an image should
the testing fail or corrupt one's system.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________



"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
| In message , MEB
| writes
| Try using Safe Mode to remove ALL old drivers [any sound or problem
| devices].
|
| Look at the installation files in the folder from which you installed the
| purported driver [look at the inf{s}], make note of registry entries
created
| and where files were placed and names.
| Run regedit, search for the RealTek entries and remove - search the INF
| folder for the Realtek INF{s} and delete - remove all files that were
| installed as shown by the install INFs.
|
| Thanks; this is the sort of help I was after, of course.
|
| However, I don't think it is the driver as such that is faulty; the odd
| behaviour seems to happen at some point during the loading process -
| and, I get something not dissimilar when attempting to load something
| entirely different (a microscope, which is in effect a webcam). I don't
| think it is the driver(s) as such, nor the rundll32 file.
|
| LOCATE a better driver... check to ensure the card is properly seated,
| install the new driver....
|
| When using an unofficial updater its usually best to install devices
| [except USB/Firewire] and applications PRIOR to installing/updating with
the
| compilation.
| []
| I have no option in this case anyway, as the hardware is the mobo's
| built-in sound hardware. (And I don't _think_ there was a link to
| disable it.) If I remove (the software/driver) from Device Manager and
| reboot, it does the found new hardware bit, but then crashes
| irretrievably while trying to load the drivers (which I've located from
| the motherboard's website). If I do it without rebooting, it still
| crashes, but I can get control back (I just accept a few error boxes and
| it is back as it was, just still with no sound).
| --
| J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985
MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
| ** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on
PCs. **
|
| "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing
on my
| shoulders."
| Newton [deliberately] misquoted by Hal Ableson, then quoted by chris
harrison.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Gary S. Terhune
writes
"...after installing a new, breed of 98Lite." You really need to fix that
Subject.

Well, I'm _not_ convinced that 98lite it the cause of the problem (I have
tried reverting to the full '98 shell to see, in fact); I didn't
specifically put it in the subject because of this - I feel doing so may
make people who may have a solution ignore the thread.

If you'll notice, nobody is responding to it, anyway, except me. Your
statement "I have tried to revert...." is exactly what takes this out of the
realm of stock Windows 98. You can't fix a problem until you know what it
is, and in this case the problem is almost certainly caused by a serious
screwing up of your system caused by your experiment. And, possibly, due to
your total lack of preparation for said experiment by making sure you have
the drivers to install your system stored carefully away, preferably in a
couple of places. In short, you did not approach your adventure with any
kind of responsible preparation. Note your phrase, "I have tried reverting
to the '98 shell..."


Here's the most positive advice I can give you. If you have problems with
that cross-bred child of Windows and Linux, you not only do yourself a

Interesting - does 98lite have something to do with Linux then? (I ask
with no baggage: I'm just genuinely interested.)

As far as code goes, nothing (I presume.) I was referring to the fact that
98Lite and it's brethren tear the 98 OS into pieces, rip out whole chunks,
and then (and here's where the Linux reference comes in), replace it (or
rather, some of it) with homegrown, "Open Source"--style code. Then claim
that because it still has the 98 kernel, it's Windows 98, just tweaked.
That's a load of bullcrap. At that point, it is no longer Windows 98 in the
slightest. Note your phrase, above: "I have tried reverting to the '98
shell..." Far more than the kernel, it is the shell that defines an OS from
the point of view of the user, and just because some nerds want to turn that
logic on its head doesn't mean squat.

You've got two problems.
1. You don't have a functional '98 machine anymore because you ripped out
huge chunks and replaced them, and then the aptly named "soporific"
obviously either didn't do a good enough job with the installer (referring
to it's uninstall functions) or didn't expect anyone to bother trying to go
back to the original shell. And you, due to total lack of foresight and
professionalism, haven't the slightest idea just how different from your
original system your current one is, just how much DLL Hell exists, etc., ad
infinitum.

2.You don't have the original drivers for your Win98 system. That's just a
failure on your part, period. I don't think it would mater if you did --
what you describe doesn't sound like it's at all that simple, sounds more
like rampant DLL Hell in the Hardware/PnP/Drivers installation layer. I
won't go through all the steps in my logic, but if it were my machine, and I
just wanted to get my real Windows 98 back, it would have been flattened and
rebuilt by now.

Except that you still apparently want to play with the big boys and make it
your holy grail to find out what went wrong and fix it. Problems is, you
didn't set out with a pro's mentality, you just slapped the thing in and
went for broke. I do that on one or more of my test machine regularly, but
not even on a separate partition of my main work machine. Only on totally
throw-away boxes. Believe it or not, software CAN wreck hardware, and more
importantly, what gets installed on one partition may not behave and STAY on
that partition and totally leave the others untouched. Windows XP and even
more, Vista, are excellent examples of this. I do install all of them on
adjacent partitions on my main machine, but I also know fairly well what
they will do to each other, and I generally keep them at least mostly hidden
from each other and ameliorate the rest.

But then, I'm pretty much the same brand of fool that you are. That's how I
learned Windows 98. Install it, do whatever I can to it, while keeping track
of what happens when I install this or that, until I get myself into such a
deep hole, I'd reformat and reinstall. I did that up to a dozen times a day,
over 300 times in the first year I owned it, until I got it right or gave up
on whatever application or hardware I was playing with. I've had to curb
that restlessness since then, due to my having to actually use this machine
for real work and to store vast archives of raster and vector graphics files
so that I can pull them up at a moments notice. (They are, of course,
regularly backed up to CD or DVD.) But to learn anything in that kind of
reckless environment I was speaking of, you have to keep total track of what
is happening at every moment. Otherwise, the exercise is a total waste of
time. You, being accustomed to having access to excellent support forums
where you can try your best to rescue your bacon from the fire, seem to have
relied upon that as your last-resort rescue strategy, instead.

At all times, even now with my main XP installation (that has four other
Windows OS partitions that I multi-boot), I am always conscious of the fact
that I might lose the use of it at any moment and constantly ask myself what
will I do in that case, with, of course, dozens upon dozens of possible
strategies available to ponder and perfect (even practice) while I wait for
the inevitable -- and that is how you have to think about computers: That it
is inevitable that at any moment it will be destroyed, with absolutely
nothing to recover, neither hardware or data, a blackened chunk of melted
metal and silicon, ready for immediate delivery to the recycler.

disservice by not dealing with them in a forum dedicated to the topic, you

Hmm, I was unaware there were any, but I've done a search after your post,
and I see that both of the newsservers I use actually include
fido7.su.f98lite, which I have now subscribed to; I suspect the "su" means
it'll be in Finnish (which I don't speak), but I'll report back.

Doesn't look to me like there's even a forum for 98Lite, let alone
associated hackers. Which does nothing but lower my already low opinion of
the product and the crowd that uses it. Unless maybe if you pay for
98Lite... there's a member's login -- maybe there's a forum hiding in there.
Otherwise, it indicates to me that there is no seriousness on the part of
these cross-breeders. That they're just a bunch of silly hackers who don't
give a crap about anyone else, especially not the people who are interested
in supporting their efforts, if not with money, then with ideas and
feedback. That's how the people I know who have developed very successful
applications for computers have always conducted their business. Seeks
experts to get behind their effort and have a very open and lively forum.

Instead, you great experimenters have *hijacked* the MS groups to deal with
98Lite issues, which is about as much a Windows 98 issue as AOL, which is to
say not at all. Difference is, most AOL users knew better than to hijack a
real Windows group for their problems, because they're essentially told from
the outset that standard Windows procedures and advice regarding
configuration and repair, etc., don't apply once AOL is installed, and AOL
properly provides many forums and volunteer assistants (Nannies, Mommies, I
forget what they call themselves -- my sister-in-law has been doing it for
years.) This is at least historically true. I haven't kept up with AOL in
recent years, but it seems to me that they have at least lessoned their
efforts to reprogram the OS, and instead learned to work within its bounds.

also do a great disservice to the average Joe or Jane who goes searching
for
procedures for their stock Windows 98 machines and happens onto this
thread
half way through, sees the subject, sees a bunch of procedures that appear
to apply to his situation, and which (with any luck) do end up working for
you, but which don't apply to his machine in the slightest and which in
fact
do his system a great deal of harm.

I take your point; I'll endeavour to ensure that some mention of 98lite
remains in the body of any post I put into the thread. (Though I still
maintain that it's not the cause of the problem; the problem did not
exist - on a machine that had been running 98lite for years - until I
tried something of soporific's. Now while I don't fully share your views
on _that_ either, I do agree that it was a dangerous thing to do without
more knowledge than I have, and am hoping to find out what it broke.)

The least you could do, if you're going to *hijack* a newsgroup like this,
would be to make it clear what you're talking about in the Subject.

Well, I'll try to keep some warning in the body. I'm not "hijacking the
newsgroup".

I honestly beg to differ. Hijack these NGs is exactly what you did, not that
you had much choice. But your issue is NOT a Windows 98 issue, it's a 98Lite
issue. And 98Lite users, if they have any respect whatsoever for the stock
98 users that regularly attend these groups, they'd get their own room.
Otherwise, they're no less obnoxious than any other trolls.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Gary S. Terhune
writes
"...after installing a new, breed of 98Lite." You really need to fix that
Subject.

Well, I'm _not_ convinced that 98lite it the cause of the problem (I have
tried reverting to the full '98 shell to see, in fact); I didn't
specifically put it in the subject because of this - I feel doing so may
make people who may have a solution ignore the thread.

If you'll notice, nobody is responding to it, anyway, except me. Your
statement "I have tried to revert...." is exactly what takes this out of the
realm of stock Windows 98. You can't fix a problem until you know what it
is, and in this case the problem is almost certainly caused by a serious
screwing up of your system caused by your experiment. And, possibly, due to
your total lack of preparation for said experiment by making sure you have
the drivers to install your system stored carefully away, preferably in a
couple of places. In short, you did not approach your adventure with any
kind of responsible preparation. Note your phrase, "I have tried reverting
to the '98 shell..."


Here's the most positive advice I can give you. If you have problems with
that cross-bred child of Windows and Linux, you not only do yourself a

Interesting - does 98lite have something to do with Linux then? (I ask
with no baggage: I'm just genuinely interested.)

As far as code goes, nothing (I presume.) I was referring to the fact that
98Lite and it's brethren tear the 98 OS into pieces, rip out whole chunks,
and then (and here's where the Linux reference comes in), replace it (or
rather, some of it) with homegrown, "Open Source"--style code. Then claim
that because it still has the 98 kernel, it's Windows 98, just tweaked.
That's a load of bullcrap. At that point, it is no longer Windows 98 in the
slightest. Note your phrase, above: "I have tried reverting to the '98
shell..." Far more than the kernel, it is the shell that defines an OS from
the point of view of the user, and just because some nerds want to turn that
logic on its head doesn't mean squat.

You've got two problems.
1. You don't have a functional '98 machine anymore because you ripped out
huge chunks and replaced them, and then the aptly named "soporific"
obviously either didn't do a good enough job with the installer (referring
to it's uninstall functions) or didn't expect anyone to bother trying to go
back to the original shell. And you, due to total lack of foresight and
professionalism, haven't the slightest idea just how different from your
original system your current one is, just how much DLL Hell exists, etc., ad
infinitum.

2.You don't have the original drivers for your Win98 system. That's just a
failure on your part, period. I don't think it would mater if you did --
what you describe doesn't sound like it's at all that simple, sounds more
like rampant DLL Hell in the Hardware/PnP/Drivers installation layer. I
won't go through all the steps in my logic, but if it were my machine, and I
just wanted to get my real Windows 98 back, it would have been flattened and
rebuilt by now.

Except that you still apparently want to play with the big boys and make it
your holy grail to find out what went wrong and fix it. Problems is, you
didn't set out with a pro's mentality, you just slapped the thing in and
went for broke. I do that on one or more of my test machine regularly, but
not even on a separate partition of my main work machine. Only on totally
throw-away boxes. Believe it or not, software CAN wreck hardware, and more
importantly, what gets installed on one partition may not behave and STAY on
that partition and totally leave the others untouched. Windows XP and even
more, Vista, are excellent examples of this. I do install all of them on
adjacent partitions on my main machine, but I also know fairly well what
they will do to each other, and I generally keep them at least mostly hidden
from each other and ameliorate the rest.

But then, I'm pretty much the same brand of fool that you are. That's how I
learned Windows 98. Install it, do whatever I can to it, while keeping track
of what happens when I install this or that, until I get myself into such a
deep hole, I'd reformat and reinstall. I did that up to a dozen times a day,
over 300 times in the first year I owned it, until I got it right or gave up
on whatever application or hardware I was playing with. I've had to curb
that restlessness since then, due to my having to actually use this machine
for real work and to store vast archives of raster and vector graphics files
so that I can pull them up at a moments notice. (They are, of course,
regularly backed up to CD or DVD.) But to learn anything in that kind of
reckless environment I was speaking of, you have to keep total track of what
is happening at every moment. Otherwise, the exercise is a total waste of
time. You, being accustomed to having access to excellent support forums
where you can try your best to rescue your bacon from the fire, seem to have
relied upon that as your last-resort rescue strategy, instead.

At all times, even now with my main XP installation (that has four other
Windows OS partitions that I multi-boot), I am always conscious of the fact
that I might lose the use of it at any moment and constantly ask myself what
will I do in that case, with, of course, dozens upon dozens of possible
strategies available to ponder and perfect (even practice) while I wait for
the inevitable -- and that is how you have to think about computers: That it
is inevitable that at any moment it will be destroyed, with absolutely
nothing to recover, neither hardware or data, a blackened chunk of melted
metal and silicon, ready for immediate delivery to the recycler.

disservice by not dealing with them in a forum dedicated to the topic, you

Hmm, I was unaware there were any, but I've done a search after your post,
and I see that both of the newsservers I use actually include
fido7.su.f98lite, which I have now subscribed to; I suspect the "su" means
it'll be in Finnish (which I don't speak), but I'll report back.

Doesn't look to me like there's even a forum for 98Lite, let alone
associated hackers. Which does nothing but lower my already low opinion of
the product and the crowd that uses it. Unless maybe if you pay for
98Lite... there's a member's login -- maybe there's a forum hiding in there.
Otherwise, it indicates to me that there is no seriousness on the part of
these cross-breeders. That they're just a bunch of silly hackers who don't
give a crap about anyone else, especially not the people who are interested
in supporting their efforts, if not with money, then with ideas and
feedback. That's how the people I know who have developed very successful
applications for computers have always conducted their business. Seeks
experts to get behind their effort and have a very open and lively forum.

Instead, you great experimenters have *hijacked* the MS groups to deal with
98Lite issues, which is about as much a Windows 98 issue as AOL, which is to
say not at all. Difference is, most AOL users knew better than to hijack a
real Windows group for their problems, because they're essentially told from
the outset that standard Windows procedures and advice regarding
configuration and repair, etc., don't apply once AOL is installed, and AOL
properly provides many forums and volunteer assistants (Nannies, Mommies, I
forget what they call themselves -- my sister-in-law has been doing it for
years.) This is at least historically true. I haven't kept up with AOL in
recent years, but it seems to me that they have at least lessoned their
efforts to reprogram the OS, and instead learned to work within its bounds.

also do a great disservice to the average Joe or Jane who goes searching
for
procedures for their stock Windows 98 machines and happens onto this
thread
half way through, sees the subject, sees a bunch of procedures that appear
to apply to his situation, and which (with any luck) do end up working for
you, but which don't apply to his machine in the slightest and which in
fact
do his system a great deal of harm.

I take your point; I'll endeavour to ensure that some mention of 98lite
remains in the body of any post I put into the thread. (Though I still
maintain that it's not the cause of the problem; the problem did not
exist - on a machine that had been running 98lite for years - until I
tried something of soporific's. Now while I don't fully share your views
on _that_ either, I do agree that it was a dangerous thing to do without
more knowledge than I have, and am hoping to find out what it broke.)

The least you could do, if you're going to *hijack* a newsgroup like this,
would be to make it clear what you're talking about in the Subject.

Well, I'll try to keep some warning in the body. I'm not "hijacking the
newsgroup".

I honestly beg to differ. Hijack these NGs is exactly what you did, not that
you had much choice. But your issue is NOT a Windows 98 issue, it's a 98Lite
issue. And 98Lite users, if they have any respect whatsoever for the stock
98 users that regularly attend these groups, they'd get their own room.
Otherwise, they're no less obnoxious than any other trolls.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

Allright.

PLEASE don't post questions concerning 98Lite here. It's unlikely that
anyone here uses it. Any answers you do get are likely to be wrong and will
probably further corrupt your system. If, by chance, someone does reply
with something useful, then there is no way that anyone later reading this
thread will be able to work out whether or not the suggestion is relevant to
their system, and it is possible that it may actually be damaging. Since
most people who would know the difference are not going to engage in the
thread at all, then the potentially damaging instructions will go
uncommented.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Gary S. Terhune
writes
snip

If you feel so strongly that it renders the priests of purity liable to be
tainted, then please feel free to ignore any threads in which I ever
mention it. Some of them might even dare to speak for themselves ...

Allright.

PLEASE don't post questions concerning 98Lite here. It's unlikely that
anyone here uses it. Any answers you do get are likely to be wrong and will
probably further corrupt your system. If, by chance, someone does reply
with something useful, then there is no way that anyone later reading this
thread will be able to work out whether or not the suggestion is relevant to
their system, and it is possible that it may actually be damaging. Since
most people who would know the difference are not going to engage in the
thread at all, then the potentially damaging instructions will go
uncommented.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Gary S. Terhune
writes
snip

If you feel so strongly that it renders the priests of purity liable to be
tainted, then please feel free to ignore any threads in which I ever
mention it. Some of them might even dare to speak for themselves ...

Well, I appreciate your feedback, however, I thought Netscape was not
supported anymore and so that would give you safety and security
vulnerabilities just with using that browser. In addition, why not just go
with Ubuntu Linux instead of Windows 98 Lite and use a real operating system
instead whether it be Microsoft Windows, Apple, and or Unix/Linux? Chris
Quirke, MVP has some great feedback about the external security of NT (2000,
XP and Vista) and internal safety of 9x (98 Second Edition at its peak, imo)
and perhaps it may help you if you read his websites.

http://cquirke.blogspot.com/

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/riskfix.htm

http://www.us-cert.gov/current/

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-au/d....htm?mkt=en-au

http://www.microsoft.com/security/default.mspx

http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

Hopefully, these websites will help you to have a secure and safe computing
environment.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
:

In message , Gary S.
Terhune writes

SNIP

I thought a troll was someone who deliberately posted
something inflammatory, hoping to start a flamewar or
similar. I certainly didn't intend to do that - mine was
(and still is) a genuine request of the "has anyone else
come across anything like this, and know what the cause is"
sort.

Don't waste your time with Terhune and 98SELite. He has said
more than once he does not consider it a Windows OS. Then he
loves spouting off about how he can't help you since he deals
with Windows and not (apparent) figments of imagination of
thousands of happy Lite users around the world. Then he freaks
out and gets belligerent.


--
[from a recent conversation]
thanatoid: So why did you decide you needed broadband?
Neighbor: I wanted to read my e-mail faster.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
:

In message , Gary S.
Terhune writes

SNIP

I thought a troll was someone who deliberately posted
something inflammatory, hoping to start a flamewar or
similar. I certainly didn't intend to do that - mine was
(and still is) a genuine request of the "has anyone else
come across anything like this, and know what the cause is"
sort.

Don't waste your time with Terhune and 98SELite. He has said
more than once he does not consider it a Windows OS. Then he
loves spouting off about how he can't help you since he deals
with Windows and not (apparent) figments of imagination of
thousands of happy Lite users around the world. Then he freaks
out and gets belligerent.


--
[from a recent conversation]
thanatoid: So why did you decide you needed broadband?
Neighbor: I wanted to read my e-mail faster.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
:

In message , Gary S.
Terhune writes
Just to keep me happy, eh? So you really don't care about
the innocent user who might stumble upon this thread and
not realize that it isn't about Windows 98?

I do, actually.

See what I mean? According to Terhune, Windows xLite is NOT
Windows. I have asked him to show me a single file in
Win98SELite which did not come from MS, but he prefers to argue
in ignorance and refuses to even look at the program. After all,
it's a figment of our imagination.


--
[from a recent conversation]
thanatoid: So why did you decide you needed broadband?
Neighbor: I wanted to read my e-mail faster.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
:

In message , Gary S.
Terhune writes
Just to keep me happy, eh? So you really don't care about
the innocent user who might stumble upon this thread and
not realize that it isn't about Windows 98?

I do, actually.

See what I mean? According to Terhune, Windows xLite is NOT
Windows. I have asked him to show me a single file in
Win98SELite which did not come from MS, but he prefers to argue
in ignorance and refuses to even look at the program. After all,
it's a figment of our imagination.


--
[from a recent conversation]
thanatoid: So why did you decide you needed broadband?
Neighbor: I wanted to read my e-mail faster.