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DANGER! D ANGER! Free Registry Cleaner Download Review
letterman wrote ...
I run Regseeker regularly and never had a problem. snip That's the same logic as saying: "I always smoke cigarettes while I pump gasoline, and I never caused an explosion" ;-) -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm |
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DANGER! D ANGER! Free Registry Cleaner Download Review
Hey, I resemble that argument!
-- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "glee" wrote in message ... letterman wrote ... I run Regseeker regularly and never had a problem. snip That's the same logic as saying: "I always smoke cigarettes while I pump gasoline, and I never caused an explosion" ;-) -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm |
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DANGER! D ANGER! Free Registry Cleaner Download Review
glee wrote:
letterman wrote ... I run Regseeker regularly and never had a problem. snip That's the same logic as saying: "I always smoke cigarettes while I pump gasoline, and I never caused an explosion" ;-) Actually, it would almost be funny, if it weren't so sadly true - and pathetic. |
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DANGER! D ANGER! Free Registry Cleaner Download Review
MEB wrote:
I'll put the response here, rather than go through all the postings for individual responses... Locating the issue areas is the primary purpose for which I use the programs for, though I have tested them extensively, which is why I caution not to use the auto cleanup. But for the rest, I suggest a perusal through the archives of this group; remind the parties of their postings; and direct to the SpyWare and Virus removal forums and sites. These tools [ccleaner, regseeker, and others] are used regularly during the process. Granted, under the guidance of people familiar with them and the registry, but certainly are used far more often than suggesting manual editing. Moreover, who in here, doesn't have their favorite regedit addin or replacement that they use because of the limited capabilities of the basic regedit. Is there anyone still that far in the mud? So my statement stands, careful application of these cleaners can be of use, but not to those who fail to take the time to understand them. Which also means they have used regedit and do some manual editing, at least at some point. (If they haven't, they won't have the understanding, wisdom, and prudence necessary to responsibly use (and not misuse) any of these "registry cleaner" utilities). Or, to put it another way: one must first learn to walk, before one can run. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ... Please provide documentation of Registry bloat causing any significant failures". Only such thing I've heard of is SCANREG /FIX failing to run on a large Registry. BFD. Yes, sometimes the Registry needs work, usually after a wide-spread disaster involving the user doing something that shouldn't have been done, but only an expert is likely to know for sure, and while tools *might* locate a few of those entries, you know better than most, I think, how much of any real Registry *REPAIR*, as opposed to "cleaning", is a painstaking MANUAL search and research procedure that few if any tools do well at all. I used them regularly for several years, to find "crap" and delete it, ALWAYS having to refuse the deletion of some things I had learned weren't a good idea to remove (or were unimportant MRUs, etc.), and after many years of such experience, I arrived at the stance I take now. I've never once had any success helping anyone else by having them run any Registry tools, whereas I have several times dealt with people who were screwed by their Registry tools, even the same ones I'd been using and thought were "idiot-proof". -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "MEB" meb@not wrote in message ... Ah gosh I hate to do this, BUT,,,, As we all know, the registry can become quite bloated with entries which relate to nothing of value, from MRU lists to applications which fill the registry with open files which no longer exist, to applications supposedly removed but actually leave, at times, countless worthless entries; to any number of other things which aren't need, or may have somehow been changed at sometime. We also know or should know that the registry will FAIL or be prone to failure after exceeding a certain size [parsing issues].... which then becomes an issue which may affect recoverability in a time of crisis. All the MVP that I have observed here, have, at some time, posted methods to clean errant registry entries, compact the registry, and otherwise work upon the registry... They also have repeatedly advised, when confronted with ghost entries, bad drivers or applications or otherwise,, advised HOW to *manually* search the registry to *clean it*. I personally have used [and still use] several tools to clean the registry, which IF PROPERLY USED can be relied upon to make a system lean and mean,,, but the key is PROPERLY USED... ANY use of a cleaner should be taken with *a grain of salt*. AUTOMATIC cleaning is not a good idea. IF the user is unfamiliar with the registry, then damage will likely occur. IF, on the other hand, the user familiarizes theirselves with the registry, makes an effort to first increase their knowledge of the entries by searching first to see if they ARE un-needed PRIOR to removal, then the desired results can be achieved. Never overlook the KEY, that personal knowledge and understanding is YOUR responsibility. OR stay away from these cleaners as they MIGHT cause more harm than good. These things ARE after all, relied upon quite heavily during cleanup activities from SpyWare, Virus, and other such activities... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2008 08:54:57 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote: ALL registry cleaners are VERY dangerous to your system, and will actually FIX a problem, even just "slowness", approximately NEVER. I run Regseeker regularly and never had a problem. I have never seen it fix any problems, but it does remove a lot of useless junk. Without such programs, it seems to me that the registry would get so huge that it would be crash prone. For example, lets say I created a folder called "JUNK". I used that folder to temporarily place a bunch of things I find on my hard drive, which are everything from text, or Wordpad notes, to downloaded pictures, file downloads, etc. Then I begin sorting out the junk, and use winzip to open many of the downloads, and some photo viewer to look at the pictures, and Wordpad to look at many of the notes. ALL of these things are documented in the registry. Wordpad, Winzip, Photo Viewers all store "recently opened files". Eventually I get everything put on a CD or other media and I delete the "Junk" folder. Then I remove several of the demo downloads I tried. Running Regseeker finds multiple references to that JUNK folder, references to Winzip, Wordpad, etc opening files, and many things relating to the demos I tried and removed. All of that is removed from the registry, thus keeping it small and clean. Of course I always read what is being cleaned (removed). 99.9% of the time it's just this old stuff that is not needed or wanted. So how can you say that Reg cleaners are dangerous and should not be used. Because he (and a few others here) know what they're talking about. I do agree to be careful what is being removed, but without them the registry will become a pile of useless garbage. Nonsense. |
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"glee" wrote in message ... letterman wrote ... I run Regseeker regularly and never had a problem. snip That's the same logic as saying: "I always smoke cigarettes while I pump gasoline, and I never caused an explosion" ;-) LOL!!!! For my "real job" I work on industrial equipment... and am usually in an explosive atmosphere. Though I am observant of the proper precautions...in my 33 years on the job... I did *once* cause a real nice explosion! (The damage was not extreme..but suffice it to say my ears were ringing for 24 hours.) Since the work I do is quite dangerous...I highly discourage the small crowd of people who like to watch me work... (they seem to think that it's interesting) Most of the time they ask in puzzlement: "Wow...isn't that explosive?" I smile very nonchalantly as I remove my respirator to talk: "Oh, it's perfectly safe, I hardly ever blow these things up." I usually end up working in complete seclusion G |
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I don't use any such add-on and never have. Yes, I suppose they might have
come in handy once or twice, but by the time I thought of grabbing one for the momentary purpose, I was done. I don't get involved in detailed spyware and virus removal. With minor exceptions, when I encounter a seriously infested machine, I recommend a full rebuild. Once a machine is infested, I consider it permanently suspect. Besides, it would seem to me that in the case of viruses and spyware removal, the experts should already know EXACTLY what spyware and virus(es) they are dealing with and which Registry entries to remove, and even have REG files for the purpose. If they are GUESSING to the point that they need tools to seek out (intelligently, one presumes) just the signs of crap, then we're back to a full wipe and reinstall AFAIC. Not to be too blunt about it, but I consider such pastimes precisely that. Pastimes. Just like a lot of "fixing" that goes on here, say in the networking and DUN sphere, for instance, with the interminable and often unresolved threads, all your AT commands, blah, blah... The way to FIX a DUN problem is almost ALWAYS to remove all networking and related devices and services and let them reinstall themselves. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "MEB" meb@not wrote in message ... I'll put the response here, rather than go through all the postings for individual responses... Locating the issue areas is the primary purpose for which I use the programs for, though I have tested them extensively, which is why I caution not to use the auto cleanup. But for the rest, I suggest a perusal through the archives of this group; remind the parties of their postings; and direct to the SpyWare and Virus removal forums and sites. These tools [ccleaner, regseeker, and others] are used regularly during the process. Granted, under the guidance of people familiar with them and the registry, but certainly are used far more often than suggesting manual editing. Moreover, who in here, doesn't have their favorite regedit addin or replacement that they use because of the limited capabilities of the basic regedit. Is there anyone still that far in the mud? So my statement stands, careful application of these cleaners can be of use, but not to those who fail to take the time to understand them. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ... | Please provide documentation of Registry bloat causing any significant | failures". Only such thing I've heard of is SCANREG /FIX failing to run on a | large Registry. BFD. | | Yes, sometimes the Registry needs work, usually after a wide-spread disaster | involving the user doing something that shouldn't have been done, but only | an expert is likely to know for sure, and while tools *might* locate a few | of those entries, you know better than most, I think, how much of any real | Registry *REPAIR*, as opposed to "cleaning", is a painstaking MANUAL search | and research procedure that few if any tools do well at all. | | I used them regularly for several years, to find "crap" and delete it, | ALWAYS having to refuse the deletion of some things I had learned weren't a | good idea to remove (or were unimportant MRUs, etc.), and after many years | of such experience, I arrived at the stance I take now. I've never once had | any success helping anyone else by having them run any Registry tools, | whereas I have several times dealt with people who were screwed by their | Registry tools, even the same ones I'd been using and thought were | "idiot-proof". | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | www.grystmill.com | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | ... | Ah gosh I hate to do this, BUT,,,, | | As we all know, the registry can become quite bloated with entries which | relate to nothing of value, from MRU lists to applications which fill the | registry with open files which no longer exist, to applications supposedly | removed but actually leave, at times, countless worthless entries; to any | number of other things which aren't need, or may have somehow been changed | at sometime. | We also know or should know that the registry will FAIL or be prone to | failure after exceeding a certain size [parsing issues].... which then | becomes an issue which may affect recoverability in a time of crisis. | | All the MVP that I have observed here, have, at some time, posted methods | to clean errant registry entries, compact the registry, and otherwise work | upon the registry... They also have repeatedly advised, when confronted | with | ghost entries, bad drivers or applications or otherwise,, advised HOW to | *manually* search the registry to *clean it*. | | I personally have used [and still use] several tools to clean the | registry, | which IF PROPERLY USED can be relied upon to make a system lean and | mean,,, | but the key is PROPERLY USED... ANY use of a cleaner should be taken with | *a | grain of salt*. AUTOMATIC cleaning is not a good idea. IF the user is | unfamiliar with the registry, then damage will likely occur. IF, on the | other hand, the user familiarizes theirselves with the registry, makes an | effort to first increase their knowledge of the entries by searching first | to see if they ARE un-needed PRIOR to removal, then the desired results | can | be achieved. | | Never overlook the KEY, that personal knowledge and understanding is YOUR | responsibility. OR stay away from these cleaners as they MIGHT cause more | harm than good. | | These things ARE after all, relied upon quite heavily during cleanup | activities from SpyWare, Virus, and other such activities... | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | | "Bill in Co." wrote in message | ... | | wrote: | | On Mon, 5 May 2008 08:54:57 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote: | | | | ALL registry cleaners are VERY dangerous to your system, and will | | actually | | FIX a problem, even just "slowness", approximately NEVER. | | | | I run Regseeker regularly and never had a problem. I have never seen | | it fix any problems, but it does remove a lot of useless junk. | | Without such programs, it seems to me that the registry would get so | | huge that it would be crash prone. For example, lets say I created a | | folder called "JUNK". I used that folder to temporarily place a bunch | | of things I find on my hard drive, which are everything from text, or | | Wordpad notes, to downloaded pictures, file downloads, etc. Then I | | begin sorting out the junk, and use winzip to open many of the | | downloads, and some photo viewer to look at the pictures, and Wordpad | | to look at many of the notes. ALL of these things are documented in | | the registry. Wordpad, Winzip, Photo Viewers all store "recently | | opened files". | | | | Eventually I get everything put on a CD or other media and I delete | | the "Junk" folder. Then I remove several of the demo downloads I | tried. | | | | Running Regseeker finds multiple references to that JUNK folder, | | references to Winzip, Wordpad, etc opening files, and many things | | relating to the demos I tried and removed. All of that is removed | | from the registry, thus keeping it small and clean. Of course I | | always read what is being cleaned (removed). 99.9% of the time it's | | just this old stuff that is not needed or wanted. | | | | So how can you say that Reg cleaners are dangerous and should not be | | used. | | | | Because he (and a few others here) know what they're talking about. | | | | I do agree to be careful what is being removed, but without | | them the registry will become a pile of useless garbage. | | | | Nonsense. | | | | | | | |
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On Mon, 5 May 2008 14:15:26 -0500, "philo" wrote:
wrote in message .. . On Mon, 5 May 2008 08:54:57 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote: ALL registry cleaners are VERY dangerous to your system, and will actually FIX a problem, even just "slowness", approximately NEVER. I run Regseeker regularly and never had a problem. I have never seen it fix any problems, but it does remove a lot of useless junk. Without such programs, it seems to me that the registry would get so huge that it would be crash prone. For example, lets say I created a folder called "JUNK". I used that folder to temporarily place a bunch of things I find on my hard drive, which are everything from text, or Wordpad notes, to downloaded pictures, file downloads, etc. Then I begin sorting out the junk, and use winzip to open many of the downloads, and some photo viewer to look at the pictures, and Wordpad to look at many of the notes. ALL of these things are documented in the registry. Wordpad, Winzip, Photo Viewers all store "recently opened files". snip I agree with Gary Terhune 100% . What about Microsoft's own RegClean.exe? For Windows 98 SE? I use that occasionally. MM |
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On Mon, 5 May 2008 16:45:57 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote:
Please provide documentation of Registry bloat causing any significant failures". Only such thing I've heard of is SCANREG /FIX failing to run on a large Registry. BFD. This is the problem I have had. But IS there a way to compact the registry after deinstalling unwanted programs? Or is the ONLY solution to reinstall Windows and reinstall only the apps one needs? My SYSTEM.DAT on one PC (98SE) is 10MB and SCANREG /FIX barfs at about 87% completed. MM |
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On a scale, I'd say it's medium dangerous. That's why you can't find it on
Microsoft's site to download, and haven't been able to for ~ 10 years or more. From http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727154.aspx, "Distributing Registry Changes" dated 2001-- "However, Regclean works only with the HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT subtree, which is almost never the source of major registry problems, and the program has been known to cause as many problems as it fixes." Unfortunately, that paragraph also says you can't delete anything from the Registry using REG files, which is patently false. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310516 -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "MM" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 May 2008 14:15:26 -0500, "philo" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Mon, 5 May 2008 08:54:57 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote: ALL registry cleaners are VERY dangerous to your system, and will actually FIX a problem, even just "slowness", approximately NEVER. I run Regseeker regularly and never had a problem. I have never seen it fix any problems, but it does remove a lot of useless junk. Without such programs, it seems to me that the registry would get so huge that it would be crash prone. For example, lets say I created a folder called "JUNK". I used that folder to temporarily place a bunch of things I find on my hard drive, which are everything from text, or Wordpad notes, to downloaded pictures, file downloads, etc. Then I begin sorting out the junk, and use winzip to open many of the downloads, and some photo viewer to look at the pictures, and Wordpad to look at many of the notes. ALL of these things are documented in the registry. Wordpad, Winzip, Photo Viewers all store "recently opened files". snip I agree with Gary Terhune 100% . What about Microsoft's own RegClean.exe? For Windows 98 SE? I use that occasionally. MM |
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