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I'll let ya know when I encounter it! :-)
Speaking of "there's still no way of knowing"..., the same logic applies to taking in some of those updates! Gary S. Terhune wrote: And there's *still* no knowing what got broken by employing this "fix". -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "glee" wrote in message ... :-) For the few, yes......but still a long way from "effectively resolved for all practical purposes" s -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... For the few that have reported in here on this issue, it has seemed to work for them too. glee wrote: Well, that's not really true, Bill. It works for you, but may or may not work for others. On some systems it may cause problems or strange behaviours. That's a long way from "effectively resolved for all practical purposes" -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical purposes", by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here! Rick Chauvin wrote: cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote: More on that, please? Which two .DLL files? cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to swap to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official grand hero! vbg The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by holding the Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and that seems to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get this fixed correctly once and for all ! I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and other things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can resolves this issue for us too. Rick |
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Rick Chauvin wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote: But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical purposes", by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here! Yes Bill we know full well your feelings about the issue, and others. ..been there done that... Not just my feeling - several others in here too. Hey that reminds me of George Bindar Dundat g ...which I hope he is doing well. Bill you are probably a really big guy that no one would want to mess with in a bar, and you have you own way and ideas about everything you do and you do everything your own way - no matter what anyone tells you on countless issues over the past years whether they are technically right or wrong. You remind me of a stubborn bull in a china closet ...and over the years you buck everything and everybody Not a big guy, but a stubborn ornery one, one not easily swayed by "the crowd". Remember Emerson? "whoso would be a man, must be a non-conformist", and that comes naturally for me. :-) Technically speaking the dll swap is a backwards hack in so many obvious ways; however, I do totally understand and respect that you want to use it and hey afterall I used it for 6 months myself and through that time supported others in doing it just like you are. Yes I agree and it's true that the way IE6 is stock with this problem is unacceptable. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!. If I had to live with THAT, I'd almost consider switching back to IE 5.5 SP2, but I can't do that easily anyways, besides which, at least now I have a little more protection, without "relying" on those "sometimes problematic" "windows updates" I vote to get it fixed properly though so that those two dll's are inclusive of all Numerous Updates that are Missing if swapped, no to mention any code disconnects causing the other anomalies you will experience eventually. Yeah Yeah I know I know, you don't care about updates anymore... Well, I do If something is worth doing then it's worth doing right. Yeah, but do you really think it's gonna happen in our lifetime? Come on now, let's not be naive. (Of course I never thought I'd live to see the Berlin Wall come down either) peace, ..and my post is not a putdown at you - it's just 'call it like it is' bar talk over a few beers, and so take it in that context. Rick Good enough, Rick! :-) Rick Chauvin wrote: cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote: More on that, please? Which two .DLL files? cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to swap to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official grand hero! vbg The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by holding the Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and that seems to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get this fixed correctly once and for all ! I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and other things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can resolves this issue for us too. Rick |
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Yea, but OTOH, I *do* know what got broken by this one this thread is all
about!! Or rather, I'm hearing about it in here - now. :-) So, "you takes your choices...." :-) Gary S. Terhune wrote: And there's *still* no knowing what got broken by employing this "fix". -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "glee" wrote in message ... :-) For the few, yes......but still a long way from "effectively resolved for all practical purposes" s -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... For the few that have reported in here on this issue, it has seemed to work for them too. glee wrote: Well, that's not really true, Bill. It works for you, but may or may not work for others. On some systems it may cause problems or strange behaviours. That's a long way from "effectively resolved for all practical purposes" -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... But the issue has been effectively resolved, for all "practical purposes", by swapping those two DLL files (IMO). Works GREAT over here! Rick Chauvin wrote: cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote: More on that, please? Which two .DLL files? cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to swap to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official grand hero! vbg The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by holding the Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and that seems to keep me out of the problem, but I would really like to get this fixed correctly once and for all ! I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and other things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can resolves this issue for us too. Rick |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:39:23 -0500, "PCR" wrote:
OK. But I'm thinking a WEB site can get one infected or otherwise be malicious in a many ways. Yep - increase in broadband and servers has changed things a bit. First it was viruses spreading via disks, then via email. Once you infect and spread between servers, things change in that because servers don't get rebooted often and are always online, there's less need to persist across reboots. So pure worms can run purely as an in-memory process without ever existing as files; sure, they die when the server's rebooted, but it's easy to re-infect the server from some other infected server that's "watching" it. OTOH, malware's generally gone pro, and there are so many opportunities to make money in so many ways that are not legally challenged, that it's easier to run your own site and exploit visitors. In fact, web browsers and script-exteded HTML are designed for exactly this purpose. As long as you stick to first-generation spread (i.e. from site to victim, or via spam to victim) you're just an aggressive business enterprise, not a virus bad guy. In that sense; yes, both HTML via web pages and via spam are likely to pose risks to your system. ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:33:35 -0700, "Bill in Co."
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:50:26 -0700, "Bill in Co." Well, except for that stupid file copy/delete problem in copying a large number of files in Windows Explorer (with IE 6 and Win98SE) - but that's been fixed by swapping those two DLL files. More on that, please? Which two .DLL files? browseui.dll browselc.dll If you swap these two with the older IE 5.5 versions, that problem goes away. But be sure to put the newer IE6 ones in \program files\intenet explorer OK. Jeez, that problem took a long time to get sorted out... and no thanks to MS, by the look of it. Here is the reference article: http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm When you say "IE5.5", do you mean IE 5.5 SP0, SP1 or SP2? ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:34:13 -0500, "Rick Chauvin"
cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote: More on that, please? Which two .DLL files? cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to swap to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official grand hero! vbg I would sooo like to fix this problem. It drives me mad, on my own system - it's pathetic when you have to spwn a C: (command prompt) just to delete or rename files and create new dirs, because Windows is too incompitent to do it properly. I haven't seen that degree of core file management uselessness since Win3.yuk's UnDelete screw-up. The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by holding the Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and that seems to keep me out of the problem I routinely do that (it has the effect of bypassing Recycle Bin directly to trash) and it doesn't fix the problem for me. What fixes the problem (for a while) is Ctl+Alt+Del and killing Explorer, so that the shell restarts. I've seen resource heaps go down with this problem, but I've also seen the problem when the heaps were OK. At one time I thought it had to do with damaged \Recyced folders, i.e. those that lack the "special" Desktop.ini and thus look like regular yellow folders in the drive's root dir. I played with that, and for a while it looked like I could initiate the problem that way, but the results were inconclusive and I abandoned testing. I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and other things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can resolves this issue for us too. I'm flattered, but I doubt if I'll lick this - I'll certainly give it a go, though. If time permitted, I might get medieval with FC and pasting between .DLLs to find the rotten function call :-) ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:33:35 -0700, "Bill in Co." cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote: On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:50:26 -0700, "Bill in Co." Well, except for that stupid file copy/delete problem in copying a large number of files in Windows Explorer (with IE 6 and Win98SE) - but that's been fixed by swapping those two DLL files. More on that, please? Which two .DLL files? browseui.dll browselc.dll If you swap these two with the older IE 5.5 versions, that problem goes away. But be sure to put the newer IE6 ones in \program files\intenet explorer OK. Jeez, that problem took a long time to get sorted out... and no thanks to MS, by the look of it. Nope. And I wouldn't hold my breath either (on MS fixing it). Here is the reference article: http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm When you say "IE5.5", do you mean IE 5.5 SP0, SP1 or SP2? I believe you can use any of them. (I happened to have had IE 5.5 SP2 installed at the time, before I "upgraded" to IE 6 SP1). The point being: the problem developed with the newer versions (IE 6) of browseui.dll and browselc.dll (although I think the main problem is due to browseui.dll) ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:34:13 -0500, "Rick Chauvin" cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote: More on that, please? Which two .DLL files? cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to swap to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official grand hero! vbg I would sooo like to fix this problem. It is "fixed" - just swap the damn files! Well, at least it's fixed over here! And I'm in heaven for it now!! There is NO WAY I'll put those files back, unless something major comes up - and it hasn't! You have two choices now: 1) live with the problem, and suffer needlessly, or 2) join me in full contentment. :-) (your call) It drives me mad, on my own system - it's pathetic when you have to spwn a C: (command prompt) just to delete or rename files and create new dirs, because Windows is too incompetent to do it properly. I haven't seen that degree of core file management uselessness since Win3.yuk's UnDelete screw-up. The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by holding the Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and that seems to keep me out of the problem I routinely do that (it has the effect of bypassing Recycle Bin directly to trash) and it doesn't fix the problem for me. What fixes the problem (for a while) is Ctl+Alt+Del and killing Explorer, so that the shell restarts. I've seen resource heaps go down with this problem, but I've also seen the problem when the heaps were OK. At one time I thought it had to do with damaged \Recyced folders, i.e. those that lack the "special" Desktop.ini and thus look like regular yellow folders in the drive's root dir. I played with that, and for a while it looked like I could initiate the problem that way, but the results were inconclusive and I abandoned testing. I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and other things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can resolves this issue for us too. I'm flattered, but I doubt if I'll lick this - I'll certainly give it a go, though. If time permitted, I might get medieval with FC and pasting between .DLLs to find the rotten function call :-) ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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COLORADO, RUN! There is an MSFT on the prowl, going by the name of
Bryant! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote: | On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:34:13 -0500, "Rick Chauvin" | cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote: | | More on that, please? Which two .DLL files? | | cquirke, if you can find a way to solve this problem without having to | swap | to the old 5.5 dlls and what that means, you will be W9x's official grand | hero! vbg | | I would sooo like to fix this problem. | | It is "fixed" - just swap the damn files! Well, at least it's fixed over | here! And I'm in heaven for it now!! There is NO WAY I'll put those | files back, unless something major comes up - and it hasn't! | | You have two choices now: | 1) live with the problem, and suffer needlessly, or | 2) join me in full contentment. :-) | | (your call) | | It drives me mad, on my own | system - it's pathetic when you have to spwn a C: (command prompt) | just to delete or rename files and create new dirs, because Windows is | too incompetent to do it properly. I haven't seen that degree of core | file management uselessness since Win3.yuk's UnDelete screw-up. | | The problem is real and is a royal p.i.t.a ..I get around it by holding | the | Shift key when I want to delete anything out of the ordinary - and that | seems | to keep me out of the problem | | I routinely do that (it has the effect of bypassing Recycle Bin | directly to trash) and it doesn't fix the problem for me. What fixes | the problem (for a while) is Ctl+Alt+Del and killing Explorer, so that | the shell restarts. I've seen resource heaps go down with this | problem, but I've also seen the problem when the heaps were OK. | | At one time I thought it had to do with damaged \Recyced folders, i.e. | those that lack the "special" Desktop.ini and thus look like regular | yellow folders in the drive's root dir. I played with that, and for a | while it looked like I could initiate the problem that way, but the | results were inconclusive and I abandoned testing. | | I've seen the work you did with the TS-BATS setup you made for parallel | installs and what that represented in know-how for you to do that, and | other | things, and so I'm complementing you forward to see if you can resolves | this | issue for us too. | | I'm flattered, but I doubt if I'll lick this - I'll certainly give it | a go, though. If time permitted, I might get medieval with FC and | pasting between .DLLs to find the rotten function call :-) | | | | ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - | Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com | ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - | | |
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