installation, java problems, and still unable to download from v4update

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:06:01 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

If someone has an "IN" with Microsoft, you might suggest they put a link
directly to the files somewhere.

Google finds lots of sites with direct links, eg:
http://members.tripod.com/erpman1/w98meupd.html

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Okay Noel, I can't let this one pass, but your next answer makes this
somewhat unimportant.
In case your interested, your absolutely wrong with your comment.

All OSs (Win98, Millennium, NT at least) installed the same files.. as
those are the only files that were available for installation with IE 6.
So rather than attempting to defend an indefensible position, which you
have, perhaps it might be advisable to actually "look before you leap" so to
speak.. those files came from the \Windows Update Setup - folder save I made
directly upon the original installation. Those are from the cab files, there
are no other versions available within them...
Not so uniquely, the installation files were immediately removed,
automatically.... in fact, wasn't it that installation created everyone's
VCM.???
Moreover, IE DID install those files, ask any one who has bothered to check
their installations.. If you have 98 get a tracing/debug program and TEST
your system, rather than spouting some drivel which you may believe, but may
be unsupportable. I have check several of my "customers" computers and
found these same files.

As for information, I gave you, or rather the group, all pertinent
information. Perhaps you should clean your glasses or get some. The
comprehension level is grade 10.

As for supposed diatribe, the last one who made that comment no longer sits
the bench,, so perhaps you might rethink your position.. I do not take
defamation or derogatory comments lightly. Either grow up or find someone
else to flame.
Your 2002-2006 MVP status does not impress me whatsoever, my first MS OS
was DOS 3.3 and it was NEW. Were you even born yet?

Sorry get carried away sometimes..

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
I am now at a total loss as to exactly what you are trying to achieve!
The IE6 installer will NOT install incorrect file versions on your PC -
it's
designed to pick the versions it needs from the CAB files and install
them.
If you have somehow managed to set up your system in some manner to spoof
the OS then that is very definitely your problem, and not the OS's -
however, it's also irrelevant, as what I was hoping to get from you was
some
meaningful information, rather than a confused diatribe.


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

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Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Well, I must say you are persistent, the question you asked:

" I'm at a loss to understand why any Win9x system should be calling
uxtheme -
this file is peculiar to Windows XP AFAIK!
Have you by any chance installed in incorrect version of some
program?"

As ANYONE, on ANY system which does NOT protect against installation of
"wrong" system files,;
who installed IE 6 SP1, installed these files.
Shwapi.dll is used by most if not ALL Windows programs, AND IE,
Explorer,
and dozens of other Windows and Windows based programs use and/or call
these
files, as are these other XP files;
AND these files do call for these missing dlls, and missing functions;
THEN, the installation of these XP files, which was done in any OS which
installed IE 6, are calling for non-existent functions and non-existent
dlls,
THEREFORE, if you had followed the previous postings, you would have
noticed, that a style of debug program had been used to detect these
errors,
and TRACE the problem to its root cause.
Moreover, per Microsoft own certification standards, these files can NOT
and could not be installed in any OS except XP, as they are unverified
and
un-certifiable for installation. Why? Because they cause errors. They
are
NOT compatible.

Thanks Franc, I will get them from there and let the group know if they
helped.
"stay on available" if you would. From the looks of it on Google
newsgroups, I may have some difficulties with these, and need some help
trying to fix the new problems.

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:06:01 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

If someone has an "IN" with Microsoft, you might suggest they put a link
directly to the files somewhere.

Google finds lots of sites with direct links, eg:
http://members.tripod.com/erpman1/w98meupd.html

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Okay Franc, already had the one from tripod, the KB905915 file is not there.
Did a search for it on Google, found mostly the warnings, and supposed
downloads for 98 in Russia, and several other foreign nations such as Japan.
However, the language, or language barrier, may not serve the purpose here..
Running 98? And how did your installation go?

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Thanks Franc, I will get them from there and let the group know if they
helped.
"stay on available" if you would. From the looks of it on Google
newsgroups, I may have some difficulties with these, and need some help
trying to fix the new problems.

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:06:01 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

If someone has an "IN" with Microsoft, you might suggest they put a
link
directly to the files somewhere.

Google finds lots of sites with direct links, eg:
http://members.tripod.com/erpman1/w98meupd.html

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Well, hello again mae, thanks for the prior info and help.
Per this suggestions download of; and error log check:

2006-01-28 01:06:36 06:06:36 Success IUCTL Starting
2006-01-28 01:06:37 06:06:37 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2006-01-28 01:06:37 06:06:37 Success IUCTL Checking to see if
new version of Windows Update software available
2006-01-28 01:06:37 06:06:37 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-01-28 01:06:37 06:06:37 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-01-28 01:06:37 06:06:37 Success IUENGINE Starting
2006-01-28 01:06:38 06:06:38 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:06:39 06:06:39 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:07:01 06:07:01 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:07:10 06:07:10 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:08:01 06:08:01 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:08:39 06:08:39 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:08:40 06:08:40 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:08:44 06:08:44 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.c...etmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:08:59 06:08:59 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:14:26 06:14:26 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
2006-01-28 01:14:39 06:14:39 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2006-01-28 01:14:39 06:14:39 Success IUCTL Checking to see if
new version of Windows Update software available
2006-01-28 01:14:39 06:14:39 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-01-28 01:14:39 06:14:39 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-01-28 01:14:39 06:14:39 Success IUENGINE Starting
2006-01-28 01:14:40 06:14:40 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:14:40 06:14:40 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:14:50 06:14:50 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:14:58 06:14:58 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:15:50 06:15:50 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:16:27 06:16:27 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:16:28 06:16:28 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:16:31 06:16:31 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.c...etmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:16:45 06:16:45 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:17:14 06:17:14 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
2006-01-28 01:17:14 06:17:14 Success IUCTL Shutting down
2006-02-02 03:58:45 08:58:45 Success IUCTL Starting
2006-02-02 03:58:46 08:58:46 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2006-02-02 03:58:46 08:58:46 Success IUCTL Checking to see if
new version of Windows Update software available
2006-02-02 03:58:46 08:58:46 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-02-02 03:58:46 08:58:46 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-02-02 03:58:46 08:58:46 Success IUENGINE Starting
2006-02-02 03:58:48 08:58:48 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2006-02-02 03:58:48 08:58:48 Success IUENGINE Determining machine
configuration
2006-02-02 04:02:48 09:02:48 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
2006-02-02 04:02:48 09:02:48 Success IUCTL Shutting down

The 01-28-2006 attempts are representative of all the prior attempts back
to 12-10-05. Ah, those fateful December "Frixes" (not misspelled) which
caused all these problems throughout the Microsoft domain...
The last "starting" is from trying to download 816093 from the catalog.
Just the normal stuff until the dang DO YOU ACCEPT screen, (duh, "no I just
came here for my health and to look at all the pretty pictures") press the
accept and nothing... note the above serves absolutely no purpose as it has
nothing of real interest or help, but now THAT is out of the way.
I apparently need a direct address for 816093 as well. Strangely I don't
seem to have that old update file saved here locally...
I swear my system is becoming so screwed up with all these supposed fixes
and workarounds, it IS getting worse.
Such as, how the heck in all these installs, uninstalls, re-installs,
re-regs, reg tweaks, and the rest, did this OLD file manage to make it back
into my system... and what else has????

Just finished the 905915 download, but...... gees do I really want to
install it??? Thanks though for the file, safely in my upgrades folder now
anyway.. while I continue to collect the supposed fixes for that
installation...

"mae" wrote in message
...
If you look in your updatelog, it will show an error number
which you can use to determine cause of failure.
You can contact Microsoft for issues with security updates.

Q905915 -

http://download.windowsupdate.com/ms...4e650e29d8.exe

This is outdated as noted in your other list: -
Java VM Version 5.0.3167.0
This was update you should have:
816093: Security Update Microsoft Virtual Machine
(Java VM Version 5.0.3810.0)

IE6 has always performed quite well for me and produces
no errors on 98 or 98se.
--
mae


"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
| Back to the original posting - Okay?
| ISSUES 1
| I have now been directed at least four times to the update site at v4
by
| IE. However, the errors/whatever, will not allow downloading the normal
way
| OR from the catalog. That is, of course, in addition to the numerous
times
I
| have manually tried after some supposed fix or work around has been
tried.
| In the catalog, it brings up the ACCEPT screen, which is accepted, and
then
| stalls/nothing. In standard or normal INSTALL is pressed then
| stalls/nothing. Running software to check what is occurring: apparently
code
| is sent, but nothing happens.
|
| If someone has an "IN" with Microsoft, you might suggest they put a
link
| directly to the files somewhere.
|
| I appreciate the attempts to ensure that the OS is genuine, is the
right
| OS, and the right versions for both IE and the OS, but without these
links,
| those of us who find themselves unable to get the possible fixes we
need,
is
| far more than merely irritating.
|
| In that light, do these updates, perhaps, contain the fixes which might
| allow us to again use the critical update service?
|
| That question can be considered as an attempt to have someone post the
| contents of these updates: 90???? (last two shown)
|
|
|
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| Okay, the last postings have now died, lost in the obscurity of
thousands
| of
| postings. (constant problems ole32,shell32,other)
|
| To keep it simpler to post any replies, I have assigned ISSUES. Please
use
| these for general comprehension purposes.
|
| Issues 1 -Time to re-address the issues of inability to download using
v4
| in
| either normal or from catalog for the 90???? critical updates.
| Moreover, there are still the problems associated with java script
(which
| appears to be the v4 problem, and other sites which use java [IE
| indicates/notes script errors]) and other issues (such as need to
reload
| (user and password) secure sites twice before entry is allowed [such
as
| hotmail/passport), and having to post to groups, such as this, via
offline
| entries.
|
| Before recommending re-installing from scratch, I advise of the
problems
| associated with that. The major problem is that my program files dir
is
at
| 5.56 gig WITHOUT installer and IE installation/uninstallation files,
e.g.
| months of work to re-install all these programs, which ARE necessary
for
| the
| various types of work that I do, some of which requires INSTANT
responses.
|
| Been directed to or have worked through most of the supposed
fixes/work
| arounds found here and elsewhere (such as Microsoft troubleshooter and
| Knowledge base) regarding these issues; not stating I absolutely have,
as
| there are several hundred(?) suggested. Moreover, dealing with
apparently
| several different problems, I am getting the impression that some of
these
| fixes/work arounds may be causing additional problems. I needn't
| re-address
| the IE 6 issue, I hope.
|
| Issues 2 - As an additional issue, I receive this error now when
trying
| to
| install or reinstall programs, or upgrades to existing programs:
| "An installation support file could not be installed. Interface not
| registered." (such as when trying to re-install the Dreamweaver 6.0 to
6.1
| upgrade [MX suite])
|
| Issues 3 - As an aside, has anyone tried to install the missing dlls
| called
| by IE 6 to see if that corrects the errors? I do have XP available to
| "borrow" these files from if that might be a viable fix. If so, how
would
| these files be registered, and will they cause new problems?
|
| General aspects - So, guys and girls, what say? Let's keep this civil
and
| lucid, what are the best shots at fixing these problems WITHOUT
several
| months of apparent useless uninstallations and/or re-installations?
[BTW -
| thanks again Mae and others for the prior info, even if none of it
helped]
|
|
|
|
|

NEW ISSUES!!

Anyone else getting the impression that Microsoft has used our Win98 and
Millennium OSs as test beds for the XP virtual environment for 98, or
perhaps their new OS?

ISSUE 4

Attempting to do my semi-monthly court and web cd burn (last- end of
October/beginning November, skipped December's), I find that my Nero 5.5 now
creates unreadable worthless cdroms.
I note (from newsgroups and other web pages) that there were/are various
problems associated with certain installations/updates from Microsoft
regarding Nero, however, I'm a little tired of constantly back searching
through newsgroup listings and Microsoft fixes to find the supposed
fixes/workarounds.. no it's not a hardware problem..
Soooooo someone care to direct me to the ACTUAL fix.. before I fall off this
razor edge; on the wrong side... I am getting extremely upset with this
Microsoft trashed system...

ISSUE 5

I would also like to be directed, if possible, to the PERMANENT FIXES for
the IE loss of use of the tools such as "find on this page", "save web page
as", ..., and the rest of the IE interference with previous normal use... a
list with fixes would be extremely convenient, something more concise than
Microsoft's please (if you go through their KB and troubleshootings you'll
note several different supposed fixes scattered about).. without the "find
on this page",
the websites and newsgroups that do address listings of fixes can take
several hours of study to find the desired info..

I realize this is becoming a lot to ask, but I really don't have the time
to compile all these answers myself.. and this is an attempt to do so here..

OLD ISSUE 3

Anyone tried the dll fixes/attempted fixes suggested?
Reason?
Having now downloaded the KB905915-Windows-98-ME-x86 "fix" with versions:
Shlwapi.dll 6.00.2800.1740 (xpsp2.050831-1533), Shdocvw.dll 6.00.2800.1762
(xpsp2.051021-1312), I see they still call for the same missing dlls and
cause missing function calls.
No I haven't installed it.
It would appear that fixing present problems first would be advisable,
unless this IS the supposed fix for most of these problems, such as mine.
Judging by the newsgroups and websites, there are considerable problems
associated with this installation.
Is this the supposed fixes?.


"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Okay, the last postings have now died, lost in the obscurity of thousands
of
postings. (constant problems ole32,shell32,other)

To keep it simpler to post any replies, I have assigned ISSUES. Please use
these for general comprehension purposes.

Issues 1 -Time to re-address the issues of inability to download using v4
in
either normal or from catalog for the 90???? critical updates.
Moreover, there are still the problems associated with java script (which
appears to be the v4 problem, and other sites which use java [IE
indicates/notes script errors]) and other issues (such as need to reload
(user and password) secure sites twice before entry is allowed [such as
hotmail/passport), and having to post to groups, such as this, via offline
entries.

Before recommending re-installing from scratch, I advise of the problems
associated with that. The major problem is that my program files dir is at
5.56 gig WITHOUT installer and IE installation/uninstallation files, e.g.
months of work to re-install all these programs, which ARE necessary for
the
various types of work that I do, some of which requires INSTANT responses.

Been directed to or have worked through most of the supposed fixes/work
arounds found here and elsewhere (such as Microsoft troubleshooter and
Knowledge base) regarding these issues; not stating I absolutely have, as
there are several hundred(?) suggested. Moreover, dealing with apparently
several different problems, I am getting the impression that some of these
fixes/work arounds may be causing additional problems. I needn't
re-address
the IE 6 issue, I hope.

Issues 2 - As an additional issue, I receive this error now when trying
to
install or reinstall programs, or upgrades to existing programs:
"An installation support file could not be installed. Interface not
registered." (such as when trying to re-install the Dreamweaver 6.0 to 6.1
upgrade [MX suite])

Issues 3 - As an aside, has anyone tried to install the missing dlls
called
by IE 6 to see if that corrects the errors? I do have XP available to
"borrow" these files from if that might be a viable fix. If so, how would
these files be registered, and will they cause new problems?

General aspects - So, guys and girls, what say? Let's keep this civil and
lucid, what are the best shots at fixing these problems WITHOUT several
months of apparent useless uninstallations and/or re-installations? [BTW -
thanks again Mae and others for the prior info, even if none of it helped]

Sorry mae and group, I should have included this from the iuhist.xml.
Of course, I had to manually edit it for presentation, and I do have other
pressing matters to attend to.
Note: the last successful update via winupdate was 10-28-2005... just after
my last cdrom backups.. [I have included the last two install entry dates.]

itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2005-10-28T04:57:42"
identity
itemID="win98se.windows98andwindows98secondedition .ver_platform_win32_window
s.4.10.x86.en......com_microsoft.904706_dx9_98me_s p1_x86_winse_169039."
name="904706_DX9_98ME_SP1_x86_WinSE_169039"
publisherNamecom_microsoft/publisherName
languageen/language
/identity
description hidden="0"
descriptionText
titleSecurity Update for DirectX 9 (KB904706)/titleeula
href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/
details href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=52945"/
/descriptionText
/description
platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"
processorArchitecturex86/processorArchitecture
version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor=""
servicePackMinor=""/
/platform
downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/
downloadPathc:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.904706_DX9_9 8ME_SP1_x86_WinSE_169039/
downloadPath
clientIU_Site/client
installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0"/
/itemStatus

itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2005-10-28T04:57:33"
identity
itemID="ie60x.internetexplorer6x.ver_platform_win3 2_windows.4.10.x86.en.....
..com_microsoft.q837009_oe6_sp1_w98winme_only."
name="Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_Only"
publisherNamecom_microsoft/publisherName
languageen/language
/identity
description hidden="0"
descriptionText
titleCumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1
(KB837009)/title
eula href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/
details href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=26397"/
/descriptionText
/description
platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"
processorArchitecturex86/processorArchitecture
version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor=""
servicePackMinor=""/
/platform
downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/
downloadPathc:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_ SP1_W98WinME_Only/downloa
dPath
clientIU_Site/client
installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0"/
/itemStatus

itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2005-10-28T04:57:14"
identity
itemID="ie60x.internetexplorer6x.ver_platform_win3 2_windows.4.10.x86.en.....
..com_microsoft.896688_ie_6_sp1_x86_166470_iexpres s."
name="896688_IE_6_SP1_x86_166470_IExpress"
publisherNamecom_microsoft/publisherName
languageen/language
/identity
description hidden="0"
descriptionText
titleCumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1
(KB896688)/title
eula href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/
details href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=50690"/
/descriptionText
/description
platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"
processorArchitecturex86/processorArchitecture
version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor=""
servicePackMinor=""/
/platform
downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/
downloadPathc:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.896688_IE_6_ SP1_x86_166470_IExpress/d
ownloadPath
clientIU_Site/client
installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="1"/
/itemStatus

itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2005-07-18T02:30:38"
identity
itemID="win98se.windows98andwindows98secondedition .ver_platform_win32_window
s.4.10.x86.en......com_microsoft.903235_ie_all_x86 ."
name="903235_IE_All_x86"
publisherNamecom_microsoft/publisherName
languageen/language
/identity
description hidden="0"
descriptionText
titleSecurity Update for JView Profiler (KB903235)/title
eula href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/
details href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=50122"/
/descriptionText
/description
platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"
processorArchitecturex86/processorArchitecture
version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor=""
servicePackMinor=""/
/platform
downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/
downloadPathc:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.903235_IE_Al l_x86/downloadPath
clientIU_Site/client
installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0"/
/itemStatus

itemStatus xmlns="" timestamp="2005-07-18T02:30:35"
identity
itemID="ie60x.internetexplorer6x.ver_platform_win3 2_windows.4.10.x86.en.....
..com_microsoft.q837009_oe6_sp1_w98winme_only."
name="Q837009_OE6_SP1_W98WinME_Only"
publisherNamecom_microsoft/publisherName
languageen/language
/identity
description hidden="0"
descriptionText
titleCumulative Security Update for Outlook Express 6 Service Pack 1
(KB837009)/title
eula href="/msdownload/update/v3/static/eula/en/eula.htm"/
details href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=26397"/
/descriptionText
/description
platform name="ver_platform_win32_windows"
processorArchitecturex86/processorArchitecture
version major="4" minor="10" build="" servicePackMajor=""
servicePackMinor=""/
/platform
downloadStatus value="COMPLETE"/
downloadPathc:\WUTemp\com_microsoft.Q837009_OE6_ SP1_W98WinME_Only/downloa
dPath
clientIU_Site/client
installStatus value="COMPLETE" needsReboot="0"/
/itemStatus

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Well, hello again mae, thanks for the prior info and help.
Per this suggestions download of; and error log check:

2006-01-28 01:06:36 06:06:36 Success IUCTL Starting
2006-01-28 01:06:37 06:06:37 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2006-01-28 01:06:37 06:06:37 Success IUCTL Checking to see
if
new version of Windows Update software available
2006-01-28 01:06:37 06:06:37 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-01-28 01:06:37 06:06:37 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-01-28 01:06:37 06:06:37 Success IUENGINE Starting
2006-01-28 01:06:38 06:06:38 Success IUENGINE Determining
machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:06:39 06:06:39 Success IUENGINE Determining
machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:07:01 06:07:01 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:07:10 06:07:10 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:08:01 06:08:01 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:08:39 06:08:39 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:08:40 06:08:40 Success IUENGINE Determining
machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:08:44 06:08:44 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.c...etmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:08:59 06:08:59 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:14:26 06:14:26 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
2006-01-28 01:14:39 06:14:39 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2006-01-28 01:14:39 06:14:39 Success IUCTL Checking to see
if
new version of Windows Update software available
2006-01-28 01:14:39 06:14:39 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-01-28 01:14:39 06:14:39 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-01-28 01:14:39 06:14:39 Success IUENGINE Starting
2006-01-28 01:14:40 06:14:40 Success IUENGINE Determining
machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:14:40 06:14:40 Success IUENGINE Determining
machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:14:50 06:14:50 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:14:58 06:14:58 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:15:50 06:15:50 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:16:27 06:16:27 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:16:28 06:16:28 Success IUENGINE Determining
machine
configuration
2006-01-28 01:16:31 06:16:31 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from
https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.c...etmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:16:45 06:16:45 Success IUENGINE Querying software
update catalog from https://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/getmanifest.asp
2006-01-28 01:17:14 06:17:14 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
2006-01-28 01:17:14 06:17:14 Success IUCTL Shutting down
2006-02-02 03:58:45 08:58:45 Success IUCTL Starting
2006-02-02 03:58:46 08:58:46 Success IUCTL Downloaded
iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program
Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2006-02-02 03:58:46 08:58:46 Success IUCTL Checking to see
if
new version of Windows Update software available
2006-02-02 03:58:46 08:58:46 Success IUCTL Current iuctl.dll
version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-02-02 03:58:46 08:58:46 Success IUCTL Current
iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
2006-02-02 03:58:46 08:58:46 Success IUENGINE Starting
2006-02-02 03:58:48 08:58:48 Success IUENGINE Determining
machine
configuration
2006-02-02 03:58:48 08:58:48 Success IUENGINE Determining
machine
configuration
2006-02-02 04:02:48 09:02:48 Success IUENGINE Shutting down
2006-02-02 04:02:48 09:02:48 Success IUCTL Shutting down

The 01-28-2006 attempts are representative of all the prior attempts back
to 12-10-05. Ah, those fateful December "Frixes" (not misspelled) which
caused all these problems throughout the Microsoft domain...
The last "starting" is from trying to download 816093 from the catalog.
Just the normal stuff until the dang DO YOU ACCEPT screen, (duh, "no I
just
came here for my health and to look at all the pretty pictures") press
the
accept and nothing... note the above serves absolutely no purpose as it
has
nothing of real interest or help, but now THAT is out of the way.
I apparently need a direct address for 816093 as well. Strangely I
don't
seem to have that old update file saved here locally...
I swear my system is becoming so screwed up with all these supposed fixes
and workarounds, it IS getting worse.
Such as, how the heck in all these installs, uninstalls, re-installs,
re-regs, reg tweaks, and the rest, did this OLD file manage to make it
back
into my system... and what else has????

Just finished the 905915 download, but...... gees do I really want to
install it??? Thanks though for the file, safely in my upgrades folder now
anyway.. while I continue to collect the supposed fixes for that
installation...

"mae" wrote in message
...
If you look in your updatelog, it will show an error number
which you can use to determine cause of failure.
You can contact Microsoft for issues with security updates.

Q905915 -


http://download.windowsupdate.com/ms...4e650e29d8.exe

This is outdated as noted in your other list: -
Java VM Version 5.0.3167.0
This was update you should have:
816093: Security Update Microsoft Virtual Machine
(Java VM Version 5.0.3810.0)

IE6 has always performed quite well for me and produces
no errors on 98 or 98se.
--
mae


"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
| Back to the original posting - Okay?
| ISSUES 1
| I have now been directed at least four times to the update site at v4
by
| IE. However, the errors/whatever, will not allow downloading the
normal
way
| OR from the catalog. That is, of course, in addition to the numerous
times
I
| have manually tried after some supposed fix or work around has been
tried.
| In the catalog, it brings up the ACCEPT screen, which is accepted,
and
then
| stalls/nothing. In standard or normal INSTALL is pressed then
| stalls/nothing. Running software to check what is occurring:
apparently
code
| is sent, but nothing happens.
|
| If someone has an "IN" with Microsoft, you might suggest they put a
link
| directly to the files somewhere.
|
| I appreciate the attempts to ensure that the OS is genuine, is the
right
| OS, and the right versions for both IE and the OS, but without these
links,
| those of us who find themselves unable to get the possible fixes we
need,
is
| far more than merely irritating.
|
| In that light, do these updates, perhaps, contain the fixes which
might
| allow us to again use the critical update service?
|
| That question can be considered as an attempt to have someone post
the
| contents of these updates: 90???? (last two shown)
|
|
|
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
| Okay, the last postings have now died, lost in the obscurity of
thousands
| of
| postings. (constant problems ole32,shell32,other)
|
| To keep it simpler to post any replies, I have assigned ISSUES.
Please
use
| these for general comprehension purposes.
|
| Issues 1 -Time to re-address the issues of inability to download
using
v4
| in
| either normal or from catalog for the 90???? critical updates.
| Moreover, there are still the problems associated with java script
(which
| appears to be the v4 problem, and other sites which use java [IE
| indicates/notes script errors]) and other issues (such as need to
reload
| (user and password) secure sites twice before entry is allowed [such
as
| hotmail/passport), and having to post to groups, such as this, via
offline
| entries.
|
| Before recommending re-installing from scratch, I advise of the
problems
| associated with that. The major problem is that my program files dir
is
at
| 5.56 gig WITHOUT installer and IE installation/uninstallation files,
e.g.
| months of work to re-install all these programs, which ARE necessary
for
| the
| various types of work that I do, some of which requires INSTANT
responses.
|
| Been directed to or have worked through most of the supposed
fixes/work
| arounds found here and elsewhere (such as Microsoft troubleshooter
and
| Knowledge base) regarding these issues; not stating I absolutely
have,
as
| there are several hundred(?) suggested. Moreover, dealing with
apparently
| several different problems, I am getting the impression that some of
these
| fixes/work arounds may be causing additional problems. I needn't
| re-address
| the IE 6 issue, I hope.
|
| Issues 2 - As an additional issue, I receive this error now when
trying
| to
| install or reinstall programs, or upgrades to existing programs:
| "An installation support file could not be installed. Interface not
| registered." (such as when trying to re-install the Dreamweaver 6.0
to
6.1
| upgrade [MX suite])
|
| Issues 3 - As an aside, has anyone tried to install the missing
dlls
| called
| by IE 6 to see if that corrects the errors? I do have XP available
to
| "borrow" these files from if that might be a viable fix. If so, how
would
| these files be registered, and will they cause new problems?
|
| General aspects - So, guys and girls, what say? Let's keep this
civil
and
| lucid, what are the best shots at fixing these problems WITHOUT
several
| months of apparent useless uninstallations and/or re-installations?
[BTW -
| thanks again Mae and others for the prior info, even if none of it
helped]
|
|
|
|
|

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 04:18:30 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Okay Franc, already had the one from tripod, the KB905915 file is not there.
Did a search for it on Google, found mostly the warnings, and supposed
downloads for 98 in Russia, and several other foreign nations such as Japan.
However, the language, or language barrier, may not serve the purpose here..
Running 98? And how did your installation go?

I'm prevented from taking advantage of the automatic security updates
because MS insists that I use an insecure browser (IE) for Internet
access. I either search for direct links, or I use unofficial patches,
some of which purport to address deficiencies in the official ones. As
for KB905915, I don't have it and AFAICS I won't need it because I
don't use IE when I'm on the Net.

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Thanks Franc, I will get them from there and let the group know if they
helped.
"stay on available" if you would. From the looks of it on Google
newsgroups, I may have some difficulties with these, and need some help
trying to fix the new problems.

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:06:01 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

If someone has an "IN" with Microsoft, you might suggest they put a
link
directly to the files somewhere.

Google finds lots of sites with direct links, eg:
http://members.tripod.com/erpman1/w98meupd.html

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Well, I can certainly relate to that.
Were it not for the necessity of IE for updates [though that doesn't now
work on this machine] I would likely still be using Opera like I used to,
for everything.. though I do occasionally use Firefox.
And yes, I also used to search for "off channel" files for Microsoft and
supposed fixes. But since the last re-install I tried to stay within
Microsoft "certified" files, fixes, re-regs, and the like.. lot of good that
did me.
I'd trade a virus for the problems I now have, anyday, at least that can be
easily fixed without much problem..

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 04:18:30 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Okay Franc, already had the one from tripod, the KB905915 file is not
there.
Did a search for it on Google, found mostly the warnings, and supposed
downloads for 98 in Russia, and several other foreign nations such as
Japan.
However, the language, or language barrier, may not serve the purpose
here..
Running 98? And how did your installation go?

I'm prevented from taking advantage of the automatic security updates
because MS insists that I use an insecure browser (IE) for Internet
access. I either search for direct links, or I use unofficial patches,
some of which purport to address deficiencies in the official ones. As
for KB905915, I don't have it and AFAICS I won't need it because I
don't use IE when I'm on the Net.

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Thanks Franc, I will get them from there and let the group know if they
helped.
"stay on available" if you would. From the looks of it on Google
newsgroups, I may have some difficulties with these, and need some help
trying to fix the new problems.

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:06:01 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
put finger to keyboard and composed:

If someone has an "IN" with Microsoft, you might suggest they put a
link
directly to the files somewhere.

Google finds lots of sites with direct links, eg:
http://members.tripod.com/erpman1/w98meupd.html

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Answering my own ISSUE 3 raising possibility of installation of missing DLLs
from XP

MISSING XP FILES called by IE 6sp1 installation in Win98
[checked by pulling userenv.dll, apphelp.dll, uxtheme.dll from XP PRO (base
installation)]
[IE 6sp1 uninstalled, then reinstalled]

missing XP files called by uxtheme.dll
AUTHZ.DLL
NTDSAPI.DLL
NTLANMAN.DLL

missing XP files called by userenv.dll
AUTHZ.DLL
NTDSAPI.DLL
NTLANMAN.DLL


ERRORS IN 98 FILES IF MISSING XP FILES USED

called from uxtheme.dll
ADVAPI32.DLL
GDI32.DLL
KERNEL32.DLL
NTDLL.DLL
USER32.DLL

called from userenv.dll
ADVAPI32.DLL
KERNEL32.DLL
NTDLL.DLL
RPCRT4.DLL
NETAPI32.DLL
SECUR32.DLL

called from apphelp.dll
KERNEL32.DLL
NTDLL.DLL

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
NEW ISSUES!!

Anyone else getting the impression that Microsoft has used our Win98 and
Millennium OSs as test beds for the XP virtual environment for 98, or
perhaps their new OS?

ISSUE 4

Attempting to do my semi-monthly court and web cd burn (last- end of
October/beginning November, skipped December's), I find that my Nero 5.5
now
creates unreadable worthless cdroms.
I note (from newsgroups and other web pages) that there were/are various
problems associated with certain installations/updates from Microsoft
regarding Nero, however, I'm a little tired of constantly back searching
through newsgroup listings and Microsoft fixes to find the supposed
fixes/workarounds.. no it's not a hardware problem..
Soooooo someone care to direct me to the ACTUAL fix.. before I fall off
this
razor edge; on the wrong side... I am getting extremely upset with this
Microsoft trashed system...

ISSUE 5

I would also like to be directed, if possible, to the PERMANENT FIXES for
the IE loss of use of the tools such as "find on this page", "save web
page
as", ..., and the rest of the IE interference with previous normal use...
a
list with fixes would be extremely convenient, something more concise
than
Microsoft's please (if you go through their KB and troubleshootings you'll
note several different supposed fixes scattered about).. without the "find
on this page",
the websites and newsgroups that do address listings of fixes can take
several hours of study to find the desired info..

I realize this is becoming a lot to ask, but I really don't have the time
to compile all these answers myself.. and this is an attempt to do so
here..

OLD ISSUE 3

Anyone tried the dll fixes/attempted fixes suggested?
Reason?
Having now downloaded the KB905915-Windows-98-ME-x86 "fix" with versions:
Shlwapi.dll 6.00.2800.1740 (xpsp2.050831-1533), Shdocvw.dll 6.00.2800.1762
(xpsp2.051021-1312), I see they still call for the same missing dlls and
cause missing function calls.
No I haven't installed it.
It would appear that fixing present problems first would be advisable,
unless this IS the supposed fix for most of these problems, such as mine.
Judging by the newsgroups and websites, there are considerable problems
associated with this installation.
Is this the supposed fixes?.


"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...
Okay, the last postings have now died, lost in the obscurity of
thousands
of
postings. (constant problems ole32,shell32,other)

To keep it simpler to post any replies, I have assigned ISSUES. Please
use
these for general comprehension purposes.

Issues 1 -Time to re-address the issues of inability to download using
v4
in
either normal or from catalog for the 90???? critical updates.
Moreover, there are still the problems associated with java script
(which
appears to be the v4 problem, and other sites which use java [IE
indicates/notes script errors]) and other issues (such as need to reload
(user and password) secure sites twice before entry is allowed [such as
hotmail/passport), and having to post to groups, such as this, via
offline
entries.

Before recommending re-installing from scratch, I advise of the
problems
associated with that. The major problem is that my program files dir is
at
5.56 gig WITHOUT installer and IE installation/uninstallation files,
e.g.
months of work to re-install all these programs, which ARE necessary for
the
various types of work that I do, some of which requires INSTANT
responses.

Been directed to or have worked through most of the supposed fixes/work
arounds found here and elsewhere (such as Microsoft troubleshooter and
Knowledge base) regarding these issues; not stating I absolutely have,
as
there are several hundred(?) suggested. Moreover, dealing with
apparently
several different problems, I am getting the impression that some of
these
fixes/work arounds may be causing additional problems. I needn't
re-address
the IE 6 issue, I hope.

Issues 2 - As an additional issue, I receive this error now when trying
to
install or reinstall programs, or upgrades to existing programs:
"An installation support file could not be installed. Interface not
registered." (such as when trying to re-install the Dreamweaver 6.0 to
6.1
upgrade [MX suite])

Issues 3 - As an aside, has anyone tried to install the missing dlls
called
by IE 6 to see if that corrects the errors? I do have XP available to
"borrow" these files from if that might be a viable fix. If so, how
would
these files be registered, and will they cause new problems?

General aspects - So, guys and girls, what say? Let's keep this civil
and
lucid, what are the best shots at fixing these problems WITHOUT several
months of apparent useless uninstallations and/or re-installations?
[BTW -
thanks again Mae and others for the prior info, even if none of it
helped]