Verizon DSL and Windows 98se

Hi,

I have been using dial-up for many years. I have network cards and their
Win98 drivers. I was under the impression that I can use Verizon DSL with
Win98 and a network card.

I called Verizon and told the girl that I would like to sign up for DSL
as long as I can use Win98 and she said I could. Note: This is scheduled
to be activated Nov 04. I received my DSL kit and the manual states,
under "Activation & Registration", "Download the software to manage
your high speed internet connections. This software is needed to complete
the activation of your Verizon Internet."

I decided to call Verizon tech support and the person told me that I need
WinXP and up!

Can I use Win98 and Verizon DSL?

Thank You in Advance, John

On 10/6/2011 7:20 AM, wrote:
Hi,

I have been using dial-up for many years. I have network cards and their
Win98 drivers. I was under the impression that I can use Verizon DSL with
Win98 and a network card.

I called Verizon and told the girl that I would like to sign up for DSL
as long as I can use Win98 and she said I could. Note: This is scheduled
to be activated Nov 04. I received my DSL kit and the manual states,
under "Activation& Registration", "Download the software to manage
your high speed internet connections. This software is needed to complete
the activation of your Verizon Internet."

I decided to call Verizon tech support and the person told me that I need
WinXP and up!

Can I use Win98 and Verizon DSL?

Thank You in Advance, John




John:

The restriction applies only to the software on the CD. If you have a
network card up and running with TCP/IP you can get this to work. It
is only the initial "Activation & Registration" you have to get
through. It has been many years but IIRC you just have to go to a
specific web site. There is something knownas a "Walled Garden" in
Verizon's modems that has to be turned OFF. From my notes:

"Turn off Verizon's "Walled Garden"


For Westell 6100F, Westell 6100, Westell Versalink 327W, and Westell
7500, simply visit »192.168.1.1/verizon/redirect.htm and enter the
modem’s username and password (defaul modem user name and password is
“admin” and “password”. Click DISABLE and, and personalized your
modem’s user settings. It is advisable that you change the password to
“admin”. Turn OFF your modem for 30 seconds.
You should be able to route (connect to internet) after walled Garden
is OFF.

Yopu can probable get better advice from this forum:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ilec,vz


HTH&GL

John

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wrote:

I received my DSL kit and the manual states, under "Activation &
Registration", "Download the software to manage your high speed
internet connections. This software is needed to complete
the activation of your Verizon Internet."

You do not need to run any software on your computer in order to get
your DSL modem to connect and log into your verizon service.

What you need to do is this:

1) Do you have a "Network Neighborhood" icon on your win-98 desktop? If
so, proceed to the next steps. If not, then you're going to have to do
some additional steps first (which I won't post now).

2) determine the default IP address of the modem. Look through the
documentation that came with the modem, or tell us what the make and
model is of the modem. The documentation might show an IP address
being typed into a web browser. An example would be
"http:\\192.168.1.1"

3) Again, going on the example of 192.168.1.1, you will do the
following:

- right-click on network neighborhood and select properties.
- under the configuration tab, you should see TCP/IP listed in the box
below. Select it, and click properties.
- under bindings, put a check-mark in all boxes you see there.
- under advanced, put a check in the "set this protocal to be the
default" box.
- under DNS configuration, click the "enable DNS" button, enter some
cute name in the "Host" box, leave the domain box blank, and in the box
under "DNS Server Search Order" enter 4.2.2.2 and click add. Then hit
OK.
- under Gateway, enter 192.168.1.1 and hit Add. Then hit OK.
- under WINS configuration, select "Disable WINS resolution".
- under IP address, select "Specify an IP address", and enter
"192.168.1.100" for the IP address, and "255.255.0.0" for the subnet
mask. Then hit OK.
- Hit OK one more time.

That should set up your network card so that it can communicate with
your modem.

Windows will now want to shut down and restart with the new settings, so
let it.

When it re-starts, connect the modem to the network card via a cable
that was supplied, and turn the modem on.

In windows, open a browser and type 192.168.1.1 into the address bar.
That should bring up the modem's internal web-based setup menu. It will
probably ask for a username and password. This should be given
somewhere in the manual, or it can be found on-line.

Your modem *might* be a Westell 6100, and if so then the default login
name = admin, and the default password = password.

If your modem is a Westell 2200, 6100, 6100F, 327W, or 7500 then you can
follow these instructions:

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/13600?r=0.580954536833939

You want to put your modem into "Router" mode - not bridge mode.

If your modem is not one of the above Westell models, then I / we can't
give you much additional help without knowing the make / model of the
modem.

Also note that unless you use filters on your phone line for every other
device attached to your home's phone wiring, that your going to have
speed and connection issues with your dsl modem.

On 10/06/2011 06:20 AM, wrote:
Hi,

I have been using dial-up for many years. I have network cards and their
Win98 drivers. I was under the impression that I can use Verizon DSL with
Win98 and a network card.

I called Verizon and told the girl that I would like to sign up for DSL
as long as I can use Win98 and she said I could. Note: This is scheduled
to be activated Nov 04. I received my DSL kit and the manual states,
under "Activation& Registration", "Download the software to manage
your high speed internet connections. This software is needed to complete
the activation of your Verizon Internet."

I decided to call Verizon tech support and the person told me that I need
WinXP and up!

Can I use Win98 and Verizon DSL?

Thank You in Advance, John





Win98 will work just fine with DSL however the software they give you
may not run on Win98. Many ISP's require your account to be activated...
and without activation you will not have working service.

If that's the case, see if they can activate your account over the
phone. If not, you will need to borrow someone's XP (or above) laptop
to activate your account.

Once activated, your win98 machine will be fully functional on your DSL
line.

philo wrote:

Many ISP's require your account to be activated...
and without activation you will not have working service.

Without looking more into the matter on the verizon forum on dslreports,
I'd have to say that I've never heard of any such "activation" with
regard to residential DSL service.

Once they provision DSL on the copper line running to a specific
address, all that's needed is a piece of paper where your PPPOE login
name and password is printed, and you enter that info into your modem
(or router, if your modem is set to bridge mode).

I thought that the software CD from your ISP that came with residential
DSL service went out the window 4 or 5 years ago, when XP became common
in the home (and XP can do pppoe natively).

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:28:35 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:

(snip)

Also note that unless you use filters on your phone line for every other
device attached to your home's phone wiring, that your going to have
speed and connection issues with your dsl modem.

Depending on the line topology you have, a "central" splitter (i.e.
high-pass/low-pass) can be a better way of doing this.

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:20:02 -0400, wrote:

Hi,

I have been using dial-up for many years. I have network cards and their
Win98 drivers. I was under the impression that I can use Verizon DSL with
Win98 and a network card.

I called Verizon and told the girl that I would like to sign up for DSL
as long as I can use Win98 and she said I could. Note: This is scheduled
to be activated Nov 04. I received my DSL kit and the manual states,
under "Activation & Registration", "Download the software to manage
your high speed internet connections. This software is needed to complete
the activation of your Verizon Internet."

I decided to call Verizon tech support and the person told me that I need
WinXP and up!

Can I use Win98 and Verizon DSL?

Thank You in Advance, John


I bet the internet will work fine, just not the junk on their CD.
Most of those CDs have an interface that lets you use their "front
end", which is just crap anyhow.

I signed up for dialup from another company a year ago, and they told
me the same thing. I told them I have no intent to use XP nor do I
want their software installed. The idiot told me I could not use
their internet without their crap software. I proved them wrong.

I say NEVER use those Cds. They just contain a customized front end
for IE with their logo plastered all over it, and it installs stuff
like Adobe Reader and other stuff you probably already have. anyone
that knows anything about computers wont use those cds.

On 10/06/2011 07:10 PM, 98 Guy wrote:
philo wrote:

Many ISP's require your account to be activated...
and without activation you will not have working service.

Without looking more into the matter on the verizon forum on dslreports,
I'd have to say that I've never heard of any such "activation" with
regard to residential DSL service.

Once they provision DSL on the copper line running to a specific
address, all that's needed is a piece of paper where your PPPOE login
name and password is printed, and you enter that info into your modem
(or router, if your modem is set to bridge mode).

I thought that the software CD from your ISP that came with residential
DSL service went out the window 4 or 5 years ago, when XP became common
in the home (and XP can do pppoe natively).



Then you have never activated a DSL account...

I've helped friends set up accounts several times
and in order for the account to work...it must be activated from
the users location using the software supplied by the ISP.

If the software does not run...the account cannot get activated.

If the software does not run on win98 then unless the ISP can activate
it over the phone (which is doubtful) one must use a supported OS to run
the software.

Once the account is activated, then of course any OS if fine

wrote in :

I signed up for dialup from another company a year ago, and they told
me the same thing. I told them I have no intent to use XP nor do I
want their software installed. The idiot told me I could not use
their internet without their crap software. I proved them wrong.


That happens a lot. ISP staff often say stupid things. Whether they beleive
them, or just say them because they want people to fall in line for company
convenience and profit, I don't know. Unless ti becomes illegal to use Linux
or BSD, an ISP is probably legally obliged to activate accounts without
forcing people to use proprietary software that limits their choice of OS. An
ISP is almost certainly NOT, even for one moment, allowed to do this without
breaking consumer laws in any of several nations.

The one thing that might have a greater effect eventually is IPv6. The
current nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn IPv4 address format will work with anythign that does
TCP/IP and is all you need for any current internet connection once you have
the companie's modem or some equivalent box. Once IPv6 addressing happens,
W98 is likely to need new files for its network stack. Maybe Rudolph Loew or
someone else is already working on it, but I dion't know.

who where wrote in
:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:28:35 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:

(snip)

Also note that unless you use filters on your phone line for every other
device attached to your home's phone wiring, that your going to have
speed and connection issues with your dsl modem.

Depending on the line topology you have, a "central" splitter (i.e.
high-pass/low-pass) can be a better way of doing this.


In the UK there's supposed to be a central one on the master socket. Mine was
supposed to be ADSL2, but it's only ADSL1, but I don't mind, it usually works
ok. I might not see maximum speeds but with others sharing a pool of ISP DHCP
assigned IP's I rarely would anyway.

Extra filtering might work, a cheap plugin filter between the master socket
outlet and the line that feeds any other stuff. The worst it can do is
attenuate a bit, and it might help. I considered using one because sometimes
when I plug in the phone the net cuts out until the modem re-establishes it.
It's likely due to a weak signal though, so I won't risk anything that
attenuates it.