How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

You seem to have something extra. If I were willing to
trust my memory this soon after it lied, I'd probably say I
doubt I ever saw my BIOS post a message. For a while a
while ago, it was beeping at me quickly thrice-- but that's
gone away! Before that, it was beeping once or twice-- but
I'm fairly sure that's gone too now!

Beeps MAY indicate memory and other problems. Look on the HP
site and find out what the beeps mean for your machine.

I never found a description of beeps at that site, but found various
ones elsewhere. But I haven't heard any beeps in a while. So, it didn't
matter I never could quite figure which beep list applied to me. And it
didn't come in the Compaq manuals, either, not that I've spotted.

[BTW, I tried the BIOS logo flash utility... it has a
variety of weird restrictions AFA the "image", and it took
about twenty times and the furthest I got was "image
palette error" or something, but I did it just like it's
supposed to be, RLE compressed BMP and everything, 64KB or
less... Who cares...

You mean just to alter the Compaq logo screen? I can only
guess on that. Looks like Zabkar is the one for that.
Somewhere in the course of this thread, I came to believe
you already had changed your Compaq logo to be Natashia. I
see I was wrong, & you actually said it was the Win98Lite
Logo.sys that was changed.

Right, and BECAUSE OF YOU AND YOUR NAGGING ;-) I ended up trying
to flash the stupid BIOS Logo, and the only thing left to try is
to alter the original (the ONLY thing the damn program WOULD do
was to save the original logo so I have it as a BMP file now and
can try editing it instead of making a /new/ BMP RLE file to
their /STUPID SPECS/.

Sounds like I'm lucky I didn't get that capability with my 7470! I
hesitate to offer any advice. I'd rather Zabkar be blamed for the worse
outcomes! :-).

OK. But THAT should block out Config.sys & Autoexec.bat!

(2) MS Startup Menu.
Mine is set for 10 seconds in MSDOS.sys...
BootMenu=1
BootMenuDelay=10
But hit ENTER, & it goes away immediately.

This I knew, and in spite of getting old, 3 or 5 secs is
enough for me.

I didn't like it that short.

Size doesn't matter.

SNIP

Right. But you see it with Logo=1?

Yes. How many more times do I have to tell you?

It pops into Natasha for 30 seconds. And what the hell gave you
ANY idea she is dancing? I know these days it appears mandatory
for all dancers and backup singers to wear bikinis (for lack of
a better term), and I did say she is wearing a white bikini, but
please do not confuse a startup screen with the "virtual girl"
annoyance.

(4) The Windows desktop & its wallpaper.
R-Clk Desktop, Properties.

Sure... but what is the point of mentioning it here?

I became mixed up somehow. I thought you were seeing
Natashia twice with (what might be) DOS in between.

YES.

I /DO/, but only when the Windows 98 (DOS shell) is starting...
way past BIOS!

I thought wallpaper might be the 2nd Natashia after your

Natasha. Are you just trying to drive me crazy? Is that what
this thread is about now?

Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there are
two).

No offense, but either you ARE trying to drive me crazy or we
seem to have a slight cognitive mismatch... This is really
beginning to remind me of some group therapy arguments I was
part of in the good old days...

Anyway, I won't repeat what I already said 3 or 4 times...

If "@ECHO OFF" controls what you see, what you see is the
DOS of Config.sys & Autoexec.bat. But those shouldn't show
when Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys. The MS logo hid that for me.

Also shows the autoexec.bat file, which I can ECHO out
but then it shows the c:\ECHO OFF

That shouldn't be! It should be obscured behind the MS
logo.

Many things SHOULD BE in MS products. I just look3d at my
MS-DOS 5 book... At the time of its printing, the MS
slogan used to be "Making it all make sense[TM]".

Right.

Uh-huh. I'm certainly about to give up. I see System
Commander may be involved too. I must leave that between
you & MEB.

I dumped System Manager. I thought I'd play around with Damn
Small Linux (I ran it from a virtual drive and it works great)
but what's the point.

That's what happened here. Are you sure you are set
Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys? Can it be the 2nd Frenchwoman you
see is the wallpaer?

I already /told you/ she's Canadian! And it's the same
Windows logo.sys but for SOME reason the damn startup menu
interrupts it every time!

I thought for sure it was a dancing Frenchwoman. My Startup
Menu shows up BEFORE my Logo.sys. MSDOS.sys is before the
menu. IO.sys is before MSDOS.sys. MBR boot code is before
IO.sys. BIOS is before MBR boot code.

Could be System Commander has changed one of the 10
commandments for you-- as MEB seems to be saying. I can't
say for sure!

It ALWAYS happened this way with 98SE. For about 4 or so years
I've had this computer.

I got really fed up with wallpapers a long time ago, after
collecting about a zillion of them... made some of my own
too... Way too much free time... Now I don't even have a
custom color scheme - I'm on plum now IIRC... I went to a
lot of trouble to set up an all greyshade scheme and I
have it saved,

I can see all that. Now/then I switch Desktop Themes, but I
hardly look much at the Desktop, really.

Themes? No thanks.

but for some
reason on my "new" "monitor", (LG 17", last new CRT I
could find around here) it shows up in very faint shades
of colors. I MAY have had the graphics set to High Color
not 32bit, like I do now, but for now I don't see much
point in checking if the greyscale scheme look OK now or
not... Do I sound a little jaded?

I don't know. And I don't really want to talk about
monitors. This is the 3rd one about to go! An Envision
EN5400e! I was so happy with it at first! Now, its buttons
won't work-- even the on/off button must be pressed
multiple times to work. And a week/so ago-- it was going
on/off by itself while I was trying to post! I often find
it has gone on by itself overnight! But my colors are fine.

Sigh. Maybe I should use the F8 (IIRC) method for the
startup menu...

Tried it, the stupid Compaq boot mechanism gives me about 1/100
of a second to hit the F8 key (if I hit it too early it gets me
into the BIOS, why i don't know...) so I had to go back to the
bootmenu=1...

SNIP

(a) "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button"
(b) Uncheck "Enable Startup Menu"
(c) Reboot -- I guess -- to enable MSConfig to complete,
or check inside MSDOS.sys to see whether it's done.
(d) Open MSDOS.sys & manually enter...
BootMenu=0
BootMenuDelay=5

When set through MSConfig, you get 30 seconds. Can it be
doing it each boot? I am unchecked in MSConfig & still get
my menu (for 10 seconds).

Sigh...

I never even SAW MS Config until a few years ago when someone
mentioned it. I can't find it in the Windows directory but when
I typed the run command you gave above, it did show up. I think
I prefer just editing ini files. Anyway, I saw it today for the
2nd time in my life, and I only remember that I DID see it one
before but I don't /actually remember/ seeing it, I just /know/
I did. It's late.

I did set memory to 500 and we'll see what happens. I have a 3.1
program that won't run because there's not enough and too much
memory at once. (It USED to of course, before all world's
computers started plotting against me...

So I installed Tiny XP, same thing. Maybe I'll just have to
install win 3.11 on ANOTHER partition.

Am I having fun yet?

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Clicked SEND too soon. Here's the rest.

thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

You seem to have something extra. If I were willing to
trust my memory this soon after it lied, I'd probably say I
doubt I ever saw my BIOS post a message. For a while a
while ago, it was beeping at me quickly thrice-- but that's
gone away! Before that, it was beeping once or twice-- but
I'm fairly sure that's gone too now!

Beeps MAY indicate memory and other problems. Look on the HP
site and find out what the beeps mean for your machine.

I never found a description of beeps at that site, but found various
ones elsewhere. But I haven't heard any beeps in a while. So, it didn't
matter I never could quite figure which beep list applied to me. And it
didn't come in the Compaq manuals, either, not that I've spotted.

[BTW, I tried the BIOS logo flash utility... it has a
variety of weird restrictions AFA the "image", and it took
about twenty times and the furthest I got was "image
palette error" or something, but I did it just like it's
supposed to be, RLE compressed BMP and everything, 64KB or
less... Who cares...

You mean just to alter the Compaq logo screen? I can only
guess on that. Looks like Zabkar is the one for that.
Somewhere in the course of this thread, I came to believe
you already had changed your Compaq logo to be Natashia. I
see I was wrong, & you actually said it was the Win98Lite
Logo.sys that was changed.

Right, and BECAUSE OF YOU AND YOUR NAGGING I ended up trying
to flash the stupid BIOS Logo, and the only thing left to try is
to alter the original (the ONLY thing the damn program WOULD do
was to save the original logo so I have it as a BMP file now and
can try editing it instead of making a new BMP RLE file to
their STUPID SPECS.

Sounds like I'm lucky I didn't get that capability with my 7470! I
hesitate to offer any advice. I'd rather Zabkar be blamed for the worse
outcomes! :-).

OK. But THAT should block out Config.sys & Autoexec.bat!

(2) MS Startup Menu.
Mine is set for 10 seconds in MSDOS.sys...
BootMenu=1
BootMenuDelay=10
But hit ENTER, & it goes away immediately.

This I knew, and in spite of getting old, 3 or 5 secs is
enough for me.

I didn't like it that short.

Size doesn't matter.

LOL!

SNIP

Right. But you see it with Logo=1?

Yes. How many more times do I have to tell you?

It's unbelievable!

It pops into Natasha for 30 seconds.

I've really given up on that. But ... maybe ... itemize the order in
which you see the following-- both with the MS logo activated & with it
de-activated. Perhaps also toggle whether the Startup Menu is activated.
Is it possible to toggle System Commander?

(1) BIOS logo Screen
(2) System Commander screen
(3) MS Startup Menu
(4a) MS logo screen (Natasha)
(4b) DOS lines of Config.sys/Autoexec.bat
(5) Whatever else you see

When you deactivate the MS logo-- do you see Natasha at all?

And what the hell gave you
ANY idea she is dancing? I know these days it appears mandatory
for all dancers and backup singers to wear bikinis (for lack of
a better term), and I did say she is wearing a white bikini, but
please do not confuse a startup screen with the "virtual girl"
annoyance.

All Frenchwomen dance!

(4) The Windows desktop & its wallpaper.
R-Clk Desktop, Properties.

Sure... but what is the point of mentioning it here?

I became mixed up somehow. I thought you were seeing
Natashia twice with (what might be) DOS in between.

YES.

I DO, but only when the Windows 98 (DOS shell) is starting...
way past BIOS!

Foof! I really don't see how Logo.sys would show twice. I still want to
believe there is a second source of the image.

I thought wallpaper might be the 2nd Natashia after your

Natasha. Are you just trying to drive me crazy? Is that what
this thread is about now?

Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there are
two).

No offense, but either you ARE trying to drive me crazy or we
seem to have a slight cognitive mismatch... This is really
beginning to remind me of some group therapy arguments I was
part of in the good old days...

I guess one of us could have a cognitive mishmash. I certainly amn't
trying anything!

Anyway, I won't repeat what I already said 3 or 4 times...

Any further repetitions are iterations.

If "@ECHO OFF" controls what you see, what you see is the
DOS of Config.sys & Autoexec.bat. But those shouldn't show
when Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys. The MS logo hid that for me.

Also shows the autoexec.bat file, which I can ECHO out
but then it shows the c:\ECHO OFF

That shouldn't be! It should be obscured behind the MS
logo.

Many things SHOULD BE in MS products. I just look3d at my
MS-DOS 5 book... At the time of its printing, the MS
slogan used to be "Making it all make sense[TM]".

Right.

Uh-huh. I'm certainly about to give up. I see System
Commander may be involved too. I must leave that between
you & MEB.

I dumped System Manager. I thought I'd play around with Damn
Small Linux (I ran it from a virtual drive and it works great)
but what's the point.

Sounded like it might alter the startup axis, which maybe we both need
to review...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/startup.htm
The startup axis. I'll bet the answer is here!

That's what happened here. Are you sure you are set
Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys? Can it be the 2nd Frenchwoman you
see is the wallpaer?

I already told you she's Canadian! And it's the same
Windows logo.sys but for SOME reason the damn startup menu
interrupts it every time!

I thought for sure it was a dancing Frenchwoman. My Startup
Menu shows up BEFORE my Logo.sys. MSDOS.sys is before the
menu. IO.sys is before MSDOS.sys. MBR boot code is before
IO.sys. BIOS is before MBR boot code.

Could be System Commander has changed one of the 10
commandments for you-- as MEB seems to be saying. I can't
say for sure!

It ALWAYS happened this way with 98SE. For about 4 or so years
I've had this computer.

Could be the answer is on cquirke's site. The boot process has many
variations & complexities. Let's look for something that could interrupt
Logo.sys or display it a 2nd time.

I got really fed up with wallpapers a long time ago, after
collecting about a zillion of them... made some of my own
too... Way too much free time... Now I don't even have a
custom color scheme - I'm on plum now IIRC... I went to a
lot of trouble to set up an all greyshade scheme and I
have it saved,

I can see all that. Now/then I switch Desktop Themes, but I
hardly look much at the Desktop, really.

Themes? No thanks.

All right. As I said, I just was guessing the wallpaper could have been
the 2nd image.

but for some
reason on my "new" "monitor", (LG 17", last new CRT I
could find around here) it shows up in very faint shades
of colors. I MAY have had the graphics set to High Color
not 32bit, like I do now, but for now I don't see much
point in checking if the greyscale scheme look OK now or
not... Do I sound a little jaded?

I don't know. And I don't really want to talk about
monitors. This is the 3rd one about to go! An Envision
EN5400e! I was so happy with it at first! Now, its buttons
won't work-- even the on/off button must be pressed
multiple times to work. And a week/so ago-- it was going
on/off by itself while I was trying to post! I often find
it has gone on by itself overnight! But my colors are fine.

Sigh. Maybe I should use the F8 (IIRC) method for the
startup menu...

Tried it, the stupid Compaq boot mechanism gives me about 1/100
of a second to hit the F8 key (if I hit it too early it gets me
into the BIOS, why i don't know...) so I had to go back to the
bootmenu=1...

Holding in the CTRL key during boot is superior to F8. The time limit is
not a consideration that way.

SNIP

(a) "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button"
(b) Uncheck "Enable Startup Menu"
(c) Reboot -- I guess -- to enable MSConfig to complete,
or check inside MSDOS.sys to see whether it's done.
(d) Open MSDOS.sys & manually enter...
BootMenu=0
BootMenuDelay=5

When set through MSConfig, you get 30 seconds. Can it be
doing it each boot? I am unchecked in MSConfig & still get
my menu (for 10 seconds).

Sigh...

I never even SAW MS Config until a few years ago when someone
mentioned it. I can't find it in the Windows directory but when
I typed the run command you gave above, it did show up. I think
I prefer just editing ini files. Anyway, I saw it today for the
2nd time in my life, and I only remember that I DID see it one
before but I don't actually remember seeing it, I just know
I did. It's late.

OK. But what about the Advanced button & that checkbox?

Another thing-- don't forget to look below the comment lines in
MSDOS.sys. A second BootMenuDelay may be hiding under there.

I did set memory to 500 and we'll see what happens. I have a 3.1
program that won't run because there's not enough and too much
memory at once. (It USED to of course, before all world's
computers started plotting against me...

So I installed Tiny XP, same thing. Maybe I'll just have to
install win 3.11 on ANOTHER partition.

Am I having fun yet?

You're starting to stray to other matters. But keep at it. We probably
both will learn from this. And MEB too!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Clicked SEND too soon. Here's the rest.

thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

You seem to have something extra. If I were willing to
trust my memory this soon after it lied, I'd probably say I
doubt I ever saw my BIOS post a message. For a while a
while ago, it was beeping at me quickly thrice-- but that's
gone away! Before that, it was beeping once or twice-- but
I'm fairly sure that's gone too now!

Beeps MAY indicate memory and other problems. Look on the HP
site and find out what the beeps mean for your machine.

I never found a description of beeps at that site, but found various
ones elsewhere. But I haven't heard any beeps in a while. So, it didn't
matter I never could quite figure which beep list applied to me. And it
didn't come in the Compaq manuals, either, not that I've spotted.

[BTW, I tried the BIOS logo flash utility... it has a
variety of weird restrictions AFA the "image", and it took
about twenty times and the furthest I got was "image
palette error" or something, but I did it just like it's
supposed to be, RLE compressed BMP and everything, 64KB or
less... Who cares...

You mean just to alter the Compaq logo screen? I can only
guess on that. Looks like Zabkar is the one for that.
Somewhere in the course of this thread, I came to believe
you already had changed your Compaq logo to be Natashia. I
see I was wrong, & you actually said it was the Win98Lite
Logo.sys that was changed.

Right, and BECAUSE OF YOU AND YOUR NAGGING I ended up trying
to flash the stupid BIOS Logo, and the only thing left to try is
to alter the original (the ONLY thing the damn program WOULD do
was to save the original logo so I have it as a BMP file now and
can try editing it instead of making a new BMP RLE file to
their STUPID SPECS.

Sounds like I'm lucky I didn't get that capability with my 7470! I
hesitate to offer any advice. I'd rather Zabkar be blamed for the worse
outcomes! :-).

OK. But THAT should block out Config.sys & Autoexec.bat!

(2) MS Startup Menu.
Mine is set for 10 seconds in MSDOS.sys...
BootMenu=1
BootMenuDelay=10
But hit ENTER, & it goes away immediately.

This I knew, and in spite of getting old, 3 or 5 secs is
enough for me.

I didn't like it that short.

Size doesn't matter.

LOL!

SNIP

Right. But you see it with Logo=1?

Yes. How many more times do I have to tell you?

It's unbelievable!

It pops into Natasha for 30 seconds.

I've really given up on that. But ... maybe ... itemize the order in
which you see the following-- both with the MS logo activated & with it
de-activated. Perhaps also toggle whether the Startup Menu is activated.
Is it possible to toggle System Commander?

(1) BIOS logo Screen
(2) System Commander screen
(3) MS Startup Menu
(4a) MS logo screen (Natasha)
(4b) DOS lines of Config.sys/Autoexec.bat
(5) Whatever else you see

When you deactivate the MS logo-- do you see Natasha at all?

And what the hell gave you
ANY idea she is dancing? I know these days it appears mandatory
for all dancers and backup singers to wear bikinis (for lack of
a better term), and I did say she is wearing a white bikini, but
please do not confuse a startup screen with the "virtual girl"
annoyance.

All Frenchwomen dance!

(4) The Windows desktop & its wallpaper.
R-Clk Desktop, Properties.

Sure... but what is the point of mentioning it here?

I became mixed up somehow. I thought you were seeing
Natashia twice with (what might be) DOS in between.

YES.

I DO, but only when the Windows 98 (DOS shell) is starting...
way past BIOS!

Foof! I really don't see how Logo.sys would show twice. I still want to
believe there is a second source of the image.

I thought wallpaper might be the 2nd Natashia after your

Natasha. Are you just trying to drive me crazy? Is that what
this thread is about now?

Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there are
two).

No offense, but either you ARE trying to drive me crazy or we
seem to have a slight cognitive mismatch... This is really
beginning to remind me of some group therapy arguments I was
part of in the good old days...

I guess one of us could have a cognitive mishmash. I certainly amn't
trying anything!

Anyway, I won't repeat what I already said 3 or 4 times...

Any further repetitions are iterations.

If "@ECHO OFF" controls what you see, what you see is the
DOS of Config.sys & Autoexec.bat. But those shouldn't show
when Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys. The MS logo hid that for me.

Also shows the autoexec.bat file, which I can ECHO out
but then it shows the c:\ECHO OFF

That shouldn't be! It should be obscured behind the MS
logo.

Many things SHOULD BE in MS products. I just look3d at my
MS-DOS 5 book... At the time of its printing, the MS
slogan used to be "Making it all make sense[TM]".

Right.

Uh-huh. I'm certainly about to give up. I see System
Commander may be involved too. I must leave that between
you & MEB.

I dumped System Manager. I thought I'd play around with Damn
Small Linux (I ran it from a virtual drive and it works great)
but what's the point.

Sounded like it might alter the startup axis, which maybe we both need
to review...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/startup.htm
The startup axis. I'll bet the answer is here!

That's what happened here. Are you sure you are set
Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys? Can it be the 2nd Frenchwoman you
see is the wallpaer?

I already told you she's Canadian! And it's the same
Windows logo.sys but for SOME reason the damn startup menu
interrupts it every time!

I thought for sure it was a dancing Frenchwoman. My Startup
Menu shows up BEFORE my Logo.sys. MSDOS.sys is before the
menu. IO.sys is before MSDOS.sys. MBR boot code is before
IO.sys. BIOS is before MBR boot code.

Could be System Commander has changed one of the 10
commandments for you-- as MEB seems to be saying. I can't
say for sure!

It ALWAYS happened this way with 98SE. For about 4 or so years
I've had this computer.

Could be the answer is on cquirke's site. The boot process has many
variations & complexities. Let's look for something that could interrupt
Logo.sys or display it a 2nd time.

I got really fed up with wallpapers a long time ago, after
collecting about a zillion of them... made some of my own
too... Way too much free time... Now I don't even have a
custom color scheme - I'm on plum now IIRC... I went to a
lot of trouble to set up an all greyshade scheme and I
have it saved,

I can see all that. Now/then I switch Desktop Themes, but I
hardly look much at the Desktop, really.

Themes? No thanks.

All right. As I said, I just was guessing the wallpaper could have been
the 2nd image.

but for some
reason on my "new" "monitor", (LG 17", last new CRT I
could find around here) it shows up in very faint shades
of colors. I MAY have had the graphics set to High Color
not 32bit, like I do now, but for now I don't see much
point in checking if the greyscale scheme look OK now or
not... Do I sound a little jaded?

I don't know. And I don't really want to talk about
monitors. This is the 3rd one about to go! An Envision
EN5400e! I was so happy with it at first! Now, its buttons
won't work-- even the on/off button must be pressed
multiple times to work. And a week/so ago-- it was going
on/off by itself while I was trying to post! I often find
it has gone on by itself overnight! But my colors are fine.

Sigh. Maybe I should use the F8 (IIRC) method for the
startup menu...

Tried it, the stupid Compaq boot mechanism gives me about 1/100
of a second to hit the F8 key (if I hit it too early it gets me
into the BIOS, why i don't know...) so I had to go back to the
bootmenu=1...

Holding in the CTRL key during boot is superior to F8. The time limit is
not a consideration that way.

SNIP

(a) "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button"
(b) Uncheck "Enable Startup Menu"
(c) Reboot -- I guess -- to enable MSConfig to complete,
or check inside MSDOS.sys to see whether it's done.
(d) Open MSDOS.sys & manually enter...
BootMenu=0
BootMenuDelay=5

When set through MSConfig, you get 30 seconds. Can it be
doing it each boot? I am unchecked in MSConfig & still get
my menu (for 10 seconds).

Sigh...

I never even SAW MS Config until a few years ago when someone
mentioned it. I can't find it in the Windows directory but when
I typed the run command you gave above, it did show up. I think
I prefer just editing ini files. Anyway, I saw it today for the
2nd time in my life, and I only remember that I DID see it one
before but I don't actually remember seeing it, I just know
I did. It's late.

OK. But what about the Advanced button & that checkbox?

Another thing-- don't forget to look below the comment lines in
MSDOS.sys. A second BootMenuDelay may be hiding under there.

I did set memory to 500 and we'll see what happens. I have a 3.1
program that won't run because there's not enough and too much
memory at once. (It USED to of course, before all world's
computers started plotting against me...

So I installed Tiny XP, same thing. Maybe I'll just have to
install win 3.11 on ANOTHER partition.

Am I having fun yet?

You're starting to stray to other matters. But keep at it. We probably
both will learn from this. And MEB too!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

Franc Zabkar wrote:

These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/MODULES.TX
T

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green"
logo.

That sounds like a possibility. And that is your startup
screen? I have no way to look into my own BIOS.

Those modules were extracted using AMI's amibcp.exe
utility.

Would it work for me?

I don't think so.

OK, thanks. Are you sure you've got your "c" & your "k" in
the right places...?...

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean?

Mixed up "c's" & "k's" could be a sign of cognitive mishmash!

- Franc Zabkar

:-).

After my 5 week vacation everyone on the Usenet appears top have
been replaced by evil doppelgangers. I guess I am really going
nuts - this time for good, let's hope. Enough is enough.

LOL!


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thanatoid wrote:
"PCR" wrote in
:

SNIP

Franc Zabkar wrote:

These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/MODULES.TX
T

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green"
logo.

That sounds like a possibility. And that is your startup
screen? I have no way to look into my own BIOS.

Those modules were extracted using AMI's amibcp.exe
utility.

Would it work for me?

I don't think so.

OK, thanks. Are you sure you've got your "c" & your "k" in
the right places...?...

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean?

Mixed up "c's" & "k's" could be a sign of cognitive mishmash!

- Franc Zabkar

:-).

After my 5 week vacation everyone on the Usenet appears top have
been replaced by evil doppelgangers. I guess I am really going
nuts - this time for good, let's hope. Enough is enough.

LOL!


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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
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MEB wrote in
:

Sorry must have glossed over, and missed this one...

I wish I did that sometimes... answering - in my compact and
economical manner - all these posts is driving me nuts...

SNIP

Now I am playing with WHY if I add this:

[386Enh]
MaxPhysPage=30000

limits the physical RAM used to 768 MB

I /KNOW/. Why do you think I tried it?
READ THE REST FIRST!

1 GB of ram in 98 needs system.ini to match this [or close,
may take some tweaking]:

[vcache]
MaxFileCache=512000

OR games maybe
MaxFileCache=131072

1 gig
[386enh]
MaxPhysPage=40000

You have 1 gig PLUS 128 [why I don't know]

Well, the stupid SFF factor (who do we thank for this
terminology the Japanese or the Chinese?) box has TWO memory
slots, and it came with 2 128 sticks. I have 2 1 GB sticks but
since I NEVER have less than 500MB free, I haven't bothered to
put in BOTH 1 GB sticks, although I have tested them both and
they work. But, since I hate to see an empty slot, I stuck in
the 128. I know there was no point in it whatsoever, but it at
least reduces the amount of junk I have to live with by one,
albeit small, item - since it's INSIDE something else.

... send me the
128meg stick I need some more memory in this machine, and
your not using
it [with your present settings anyway].

BION, and this is what you would have found out if you had read
carefully, I AM using it, at boot up I see 1048 once windows
starts and only when crap loads up it goes down to 988 or
something. Of course, there is NO difference between 988 free
RAM or 732, or 347, or 249 for that matter.

And you could play around with the setting
ConservativeSwapFile
with that amount of memory.

With either setting I NEVER use /any/ of the swap file - both in
98SELite and in TinyXP.

Or did you find Windows crashing above 768megs?

Again, you should have read on, carefully...

I said that when BOTH

MaxPhysPage=30000

AND

[vcache]
MinFileCache=0
MaxFileCache=524288
chunksize=4096

are /not rem'd out/ in system.ini, it won't boot, I get a BSOD
FEE.

I ALSO found out that even though I rem'd out the
MaxPhysPage=30000 line, stupid ****ing sysconfig put in a
similar line except in hex, and that was why it wouldn't boot
today - somehow I remembered what I did last night, booted into
DOS and removed that line in XTGold.

Now THERE's a program that works.

You're running a non-standard 9X still, right?

98SE Lite. Good thing Terhune isn't here any more to complain
how I am not running Windows AT ALL (although he never WOULD say
what it *IS* that I am running).

and my 98SE settings are

[vcache]
MinFileCache=0
MaxFileCache=524288

512meg cache with only 768meg per previous noted, yep
you're going to crash.

OK, all the "you didn't finish reading, read carefully crap
above" - you should have read all the way to here and just said
/that/. I DON'T understand why, but I seem to boot fine with the
1GB and 128MB sticks without that "MaxPhysPage=30000" line, and
something tells me I would boot just fine with 2 1GB sticks as
well, but I am waiting until I gather enough intestinal
fortitude to put in a video capture card, since I really hate
opening up the box (actually, one of the nice things about the
EVO SFF is that it is tool-less except for screwing in card
brackets, but I have a pretty complicated "furniture assortment"
as my desk setup.

chunksize=4096

Might also try:
chunksize=2048
namecache=4096
directorycache=96

I have looked for what the hell "chunksize" is and there is
NOTHING - I can not believe it. No Wikipedia, nothing on Google
except the word appears occasionally, but I can NOT find a
definition. I /think/ it may mean cluster size. My clusters
/are/ 4 KB, FWIW.

Can you please tell what the hell namecache=4096 and
directorycache=96 will do? I obviously have a "clue" but I would
like more than a clue, and in black and white.

(irrelevant entries omitted in both)

my system will /not/ boot into Windows but if I "," out
the 30000 line, everything is fine.

1 1GB stick and 1 128 MB stick, whatever the hell that
adds up to (I would think 1152 but who the hell knows...

(4MB for AGP aperture even though I have no AGP card, it
has to be set to SOMETHING...)


Yeah, I use a PCI video card, so I also set mine at 4.
Leaves some additional memory addressing space available.

After all the crap I went through with an AGP card - I live in a
place where "service" and "replacement" are largely /unfamiliar/
terminology; and which is also why I can't send you the 128MB
sticks, since they would be stolen in the mail - I am just using
the onboard Intel ExtremeGraphics. It's all I needed. I bought
that stupid AGP graphics card after expressly telling myself all
day on the way to the computer places "DO NOT BUY A GRAPHICS
CARD, YOU DON'T NEED IT".



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"PCR" wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote:

SNIP

Beeps MAY indicate memory and other problems. Look on the
HP site and find out what the beeps mean for your machine.

I never found a description of beeps at that site, but
found various ones elsewhere. But I haven't heard any beeps
in a while. So, it didn't matter I never could quite figure
which beep list applied to me. And it didn't come in the
Compaq manuals, either, not that I've spotted.

I never got manuals with mine, but you can DL everything from
HP. When my first 1GB stick died, I got beeps to tell me what
was wrong, but had to use my OTHER computer to find out what
they meant.

SNIP

Sounds like I'm lucky I didn't get that capability with my
7470! I hesitate to offer any advice. I'd rather Zabkar be
blamed for the worse outcomes! :-).

I have seen and admired his posts for years, I do not believe he
has EVER advised anything which could/would result in a
disaster.

OK. But THAT should block out Config.sys & Autoexec.bat!

Like I said, Windows *should* run OK out of the box, too, etc.
etc. etc. etc.

SNIP

Natasha. Are you just trying to drive me crazy? Is that
what this thread is about now?

Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there are
two).

There are two - well, 4 - logos: the BIOS logo and 3 Windows
logos - apparently more in XP but that's another subject and
LET'S LEAVE IT THAT WAY.

No offense, but either you ARE trying to drive me crazy or
we seem to have a slight cognitive mismatch... This is
really beginning to remind me of some group therapy
arguments I was part of in the good old days...

Anyway, I won't repeat what I already said 3 or 4 times...

If "@ECHO OFF" controls what you see, what you see is the
DOS of Config.sys & Autoexec.bat. But those shouldn't
show when Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys. The MS logo hid that for
me.

Well, as I have said x times, the startup menu pops in between
the SAME *1* logo.sys Natasha - you can NOT have 2 logo.sys's.

Also shows the autoexec.bat file, which I can ECHO out
but then it shows the c:\ECHO OFF

Yes, isn't that just wonderful?

That shouldn't be! It should be obscured behind the MS
logo.

Again, /many/ things SHOULD be.

Many things SHOULD BE in MS products. I just look3d at
my MS-DOS 5 book... At the time of its printing, the MS
slogan used to be "Making it all make sense[TM]".

Right.

Uh-huh. I'm certainly about to give up. I see System
Commander may be involved too. I must leave that between
you & MEB.

I dumped System Manager. I thought I'd play around with
Damn Small Linux (I ran it from a virtual drive and it
works great) but what's the point.

That's what happened here. Are you sure you are set
Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys? Can it be the 2nd Frenchwoman you
see is the wallpaer?

THERE ARE NO 2 FRENCHWOMEN, in fact there is not a SINGLE
Frenchwoman, Natasha is Canadian.

You should work in a mental hospital, you know... You could be
on permanent call alert and when a patient is borderline, and
they have just HAD it, they call you in, and after ten minutes
with you s/he is WAY over the edge and ready to be "dealt with"
properly.

SNIP

When set through MSConfig, you get 30 seconds. Can it be
doing it each boot? I am unchecked in MSConfig & still
get my menu (for 10 seconds).

MSconfig sucks. That's what Edxor and ini files are for.


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"PCR" wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote:

SNIP

Beeps MAY indicate memory and other problems. Look on the
HP site and find out what the beeps mean for your machine.

I never found a description of beeps at that site, but
found various ones elsewhere. But I haven't heard any beeps
in a while. So, it didn't matter I never could quite figure
which beep list applied to me. And it didn't come in the
Compaq manuals, either, not that I've spotted.

I never got manuals with mine, but you can DL everything from
HP. When my first 1GB stick died, I got beeps to tell me what
was wrong, but had to use my OTHER computer to find out what
they meant.

SNIP

Sounds like I'm lucky I didn't get that capability with my
7470! I hesitate to offer any advice. I'd rather Zabkar be
blamed for the worse outcomes! :-).

I have seen and admired his posts for years, I do not believe he
has EVER advised anything which could/would result in a
disaster.

OK. But THAT should block out Config.sys & Autoexec.bat!

Like I said, Windows *should* run OK out of the box, too, etc.
etc. etc. etc.

SNIP

Natasha. Are you just trying to drive me crazy? Is that
what this thread is about now?

Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there are
two).

There are two - well, 4 - logos: the BIOS logo and 3 Windows
logos - apparently more in XP but that's another subject and
LET'S LEAVE IT THAT WAY.

No offense, but either you ARE trying to drive me crazy or
we seem to have a slight cognitive mismatch... This is
really beginning to remind me of some group therapy
arguments I was part of in the good old days...

Anyway, I won't repeat what I already said 3 or 4 times...

If "@ECHO OFF" controls what you see, what you see is the
DOS of Config.sys & Autoexec.bat. But those shouldn't
show when Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys. The MS logo hid that for
me.

Well, as I have said x times, the startup menu pops in between
the SAME *1* logo.sys Natasha - you can NOT have 2 logo.sys's.

Also shows the autoexec.bat file, which I can ECHO out
but then it shows the c:\ECHO OFF

Yes, isn't that just wonderful?

That shouldn't be! It should be obscured behind the MS
logo.

Again, /many/ things SHOULD be.

Many things SHOULD BE in MS products. I just look3d at
my MS-DOS 5 book... At the time of its printing, the MS
slogan used to be "Making it all make sense[TM]".

Right.

Uh-huh. I'm certainly about to give up. I see System
Commander may be involved too. I must leave that between
you & MEB.

I dumped System Manager. I thought I'd play around with
Damn Small Linux (I ran it from a virtual drive and it
works great) but what's the point.

That's what happened here. Are you sure you are set
Logo=1 in MSDOS.sys? Can it be the 2nd Frenchwoman you
see is the wallpaer?

THERE ARE NO 2 FRENCHWOMEN, in fact there is not a SINGLE
Frenchwoman, Natasha is Canadian.

You should work in a mental hospital, you know... You could be
on permanent call alert and when a patient is borderline, and
they have just HAD it, they call you in, and after ten minutes
with you s/he is WAY over the edge and ready to be "dealt with"
properly.

SNIP

When set through MSConfig, you get 30 seconds. Can it be
doing it each boot? I am unchecked in MSConfig & still
get my menu (for 10 seconds).

MSconfig sucks. That's what Edxor and ini files are for.


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"PCR" wrote in
:

Clicked SEND too soon. Here's the rest.

I can't wait.

SNIP

Right. But you see it with Logo=1?

Yes. How many more times do I have to tell you?

It's unbelievable!

It pops into Natasha for 30 seconds.

I've really given up on that.

Popping into Natasha? She let you?

But ... maybe ... itemize the
order in which you see the following-- both with the MS
logo activated & with it de-activated. Perhaps also toggle
whether the Startup Menu is activated. Is it possible to
toggle System Commander?

Now I KNOW you're screwing with my head.

(1) BIOS logo Screen
(2) System Commander screen
(3) MS Startup Menu
(4a) MS logo screen (Natasha)
(4b) DOS lines of Config.sys/Autoexec.bat
(5) Whatever else you see

I'm pretty sure it can't be done.

When you deactivate the MS logo-- do you see Natasha at
all?

This question does not merit a reply.

SNIP

Foof! I really don't see how Logo.sys would show twice.

That's what I've been complaining about throughout this thread!

I still want to believe there is a second source of the
image.

HOW COULD THERE BE? Show me a system with two identically-named
files in the same directory!

I thought wallpaper might be the 2nd Natashia after your

Natasha. Are you just trying to drive me crazy? Is that
what this thread is about now?

Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there are
two).

NO Natasha in Compaq, just Compaq.

No offense, but either you ARE trying to drive me crazy or
we seem to have a slight cognitive mismatch... This is
really beginning to remind me of some group therapy
arguments I was part of in the good old days...

I guess one of us could have a cognitive mishmash. I
certainly amn't trying anything!

Right.

Sounded like it might alter the startup axis, which maybe
we both need to review...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/startup.htm
The startup axis. I'll bet the answer is here!

Now there is what MIGHT be of some use. Will check it out.

Could be the answer is on cquirke's site. The boot process
has many variations & complexities. Let's look for
something that could interrupt Logo.sys or display it a 2nd
time.

Why don't we then.

SNIP

All right. As I said, I just was guessing the wallpaper
could have been the 2nd image.

HOW? The taskbar and the icons would be all over it after a few
seconds! Plus, having the same image for startup logo AND
wallpaper would be a little boring, /and/ confusing. Things are
confusing /enough/!

Holding in the CTRL key during boot is superior to F8. The
time limit is not a consideration that way.

Thank you for the tip.

OK. But what about the Advanced button & that checkbox?

Pure evil. See other reply about what it did, in hex to boot (so
to speak).

Another thing-- don't forget to look below the comment
lines in MSDOS.sys. A second BootMenuDelay may be hiding
under there.

That is WHERE IT IS, not above. That's OTHER STUFF.

Is there a mental hospital nearby where you apply for a well-
paying on-call "consultant" job?

You're starting to stray to other matters. But keep at it.
We probably both will learn from this. And MEB too!

See, again, you are doing what they used to call "crazymaking"
in my group therapy group.


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"PCR" wrote in
:

Clicked SEND too soon. Here's the rest.

I can't wait.

SNIP

Right. But you see it with Logo=1?

Yes. How many more times do I have to tell you?

It's unbelievable!

It pops into Natasha for 30 seconds.

I've really given up on that.

Popping into Natasha? She let you?

But ... maybe ... itemize the
order in which you see the following-- both with the MS
logo activated & with it de-activated. Perhaps also toggle
whether the Startup Menu is activated. Is it possible to
toggle System Commander?

Now I KNOW you're screwing with my head.

(1) BIOS logo Screen
(2) System Commander screen
(3) MS Startup Menu
(4a) MS logo screen (Natasha)
(4b) DOS lines of Config.sys/Autoexec.bat
(5) Whatever else you see

I'm pretty sure it can't be done.

When you deactivate the MS logo-- do you see Natasha at
all?

This question does not merit a reply.

SNIP

Foof! I really don't see how Logo.sys would show twice.

That's what I've been complaining about throughout this thread!

I still want to believe there is a second source of the
image.

HOW COULD THERE BE? Show me a system with two identically-named
files in the same directory!

I thought wallpaper might be the 2nd Natashia after your

Natasha. Are you just trying to drive me crazy? Is that
what this thread is about now?

Compaq logo (which I know now isn't one-- IF there are
two).

NO Natasha in Compaq, just Compaq.

No offense, but either you ARE trying to drive me crazy or
we seem to have a slight cognitive mismatch... This is
really beginning to remind me of some group therapy
arguments I was part of in the good old days...

I guess one of us could have a cognitive mishmash. I
certainly amn't trying anything!

Right.

Sounded like it might alter the startup axis, which maybe
we both need to review...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/startup.htm
The startup axis. I'll bet the answer is here!

Now there is what MIGHT be of some use. Will check it out.

Could be the answer is on cquirke's site. The boot process
has many variations & complexities. Let's look for
something that could interrupt Logo.sys or display it a 2nd
time.

Why don't we then.

SNIP

All right. As I said, I just was guessing the wallpaper
could have been the 2nd image.

HOW? The taskbar and the icons would be all over it after a few
seconds! Plus, having the same image for startup logo AND
wallpaper would be a little boring, /and/ confusing. Things are
confusing /enough/!

Holding in the CTRL key during boot is superior to F8. The
time limit is not a consideration that way.

Thank you for the tip.

OK. But what about the Advanced button & that checkbox?

Pure evil. See other reply about what it did, in hex to boot (so
to speak).

Another thing-- don't forget to look below the comment
lines in MSDOS.sys. A second BootMenuDelay may be hiding
under there.

That is WHERE IT IS, not above. That's OTHER STUFF.

Is there a mental hospital nearby where you apply for a well-
paying on-call "consultant" job?

You're starting to stray to other matters. But keep at it.
We probably both will learn from this. And MEB too!

See, again, you are doing what they used to call "crazymaking"
in my group therapy group.


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Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?