Registry Defragmenters

1.4.1 has something called Registry Monitor. Take snapshot upon install and
at later times and then allows comparison of snapshot to what current
registry is. Lists all the deviations and allows several actions upon
individual listed items. At least that is the way I understand it is
supposed to work because it appears to have a 100,000 item limit and rolls
back starting over at zero. It continues to search and then eventually
crashes. I seem to remember trying this feature a very long time ago with
similar results. My snapshot was late December and it seems odd I would have
so many changes since that time. I remember that long ago situation where I
created a new snapshot and then it seemed to work, so it seems that part of
it would need to be run routinely.
And your questioning caused me to look more closely at the EULA for each.
Wording in both concerning purchasing a license, maybe to get support. And
wording in later expands on limitation of use and ownership. But the kicker
is the line at the bottom of the one in version 1.4.1 which says "version
1.3".
I'm not a lawyer trying to figure out the full meaning and it almost appears
they did not have one write it either.

Norman

"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Norman,
Mine was not a statement, but, rather, a question. I was under the
impression that the version 1.3 was the last FREE version with full
capabilities. That could very well be incorrect and it is not important
enough, to me, to do a lot of research to determine its' validity. Maybe
it
was that 1.41 was a trial issue that, like you said, would expire after a
period of time or number of uses.....I really don't remember. I just know
that there was some reason that I was still using 1.3.
Heirloom, old and let me know if I am wrong

"E_Net_Rider" wrote in message
...
Crippled in what way?
I maintain an archive sometimes with several versions until I'm certain
of
newer. Sometimes it is a long time before I get around to cleanup.
Also there seems to a disappearance of some of these which seems to
happen
during a Windows install or reinstall so I now try to keep them on an
external drive.
I remember at one point I had a newer version, than 1.3, that would
expire
after about 30 days.
But via whatever processes, I now have 1.3 and 1.41. Oops, that magic
got
me
again. Went to partition holding Utilities/registry/pwr tools and only
have
zipped copies. Others disappeared.
But in one of those desperation fixes avoiding format, I decided to give
1.41 a go at it after running 1.3. My thinking, which may be wrong, was
that
1.41 would die after 30 days, but did not care at that point. It will
happily install to 1.3 folder but uncertain as to how well it assumes
previous backups. I strongly suggest installing to separate folder until
that is determined with certainty and as to whether it expires on you.
The interface is somewhat changed with maybe a couple of extra features
added before they went retail. Maybe they had a 1.43 that was last
before
retail and expired. Only change may have been the timer. But I learned
that
you did not want to allow an online update which would make any recent
version expire. I think the update no longer works.
What I have seen is that 1.41 finds many more entries of which many are
really duplicates because of the arrangement of the registry,
particularly
as to HKCR and HKLM. But regardless, same cautions apply as to how you
use
it.
Norman
"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Norman,
Isn't jv16 ver 1.41 just a crippled version of 1.3??? It's been so
long, I don't remember, but, that comes to mind. I am still using 1.3,
mainly to find leftover detritus from program uninstalls (doesn't
happen
very often). I find it easier than doing manual registry searches for
a
variety of files, some of which, I don't know to look for! It isn't
for
everyone, I know, and the main thing is the backup!...I'll say it
again....BACKUP!!!!!
Heirloom, old and once again, BACKUP!!


"Norman" wrote in message
...
I could not agree more that registry cleaners are not for the
inexperienced.
I've had my share of problems, even with MSRegClean, which is no
longer
supported. It would remove a key that would break your install.
Unfortunately it always ran in automatic mode, but had enough
experience
(bad) that I knew what key to replace.
I now use only tools that allow me total control and automatically or
manually make backups of what is removed and allow restoring of
single
entries, with one exception and that tool is
http://support.microsoft.com/downloa...s/ShareDLL.exe

I also use a really old one known as JV16 PowerTools, version 1.3 and
version 1.41. These were free and you may find an archive somewhere.
Also OLE Clean 1.5.
The biggest problem I've seen with such tools is they often want to
remove
HKCR keys that MS installed, but may not be currently in use, such as
briefcase, UPNP, some Office keys etc. And when you turn such on via
add/remove, windows setup, or by adding or first use of Office
feature,
it
ends up broken.
So that is definitely a key you want to look at closely before making
a
decision. Did MS put it there, or is it a leftover from something
removed.
snip

So, when you are backed into the corner of only choice being format
and
install, or using risky registry tools, the choice is clear to me.
What
have
you got to lose? Use with over caution.
Norman

Heirloom,
You are so right. I had not noticed the small line down in the corner saying
I had X days left. I was tinkering with that registry monitor and used a
restore point shortly after JV16 install and it still did not work. So, I'm
guessing there was a 1.4.3 that fixed it and that I long ago deleted it
knowing it would expire. Just forgot that 1.4.1 also expired.
And in process of system restore I discovered new problem. See post in
system tools group, please.
Norman

"Norman" wrote in message
...
1.4.1 has something called Registry Monitor. Take snapshot upon install
and
at later times and then allows comparison of snapshot to what current
registry is. Lists all the deviations and allows several actions upon
individual listed items. At least that is the way I understand it is
supposed to work because it appears to have a 100,000 item limit and rolls
back starting over at zero. It continues to search and then eventually
crashes. I seem to remember trying this feature a very long time ago with
similar results. My snapshot was late December and it seems odd I would
have
so many changes since that time. I remember that long ago situation where
I
created a new snapshot and then it seemed to work, so it seems that part
of
it would need to be run routinely.
And your questioning caused me to look more closely at the EULA for each.
Wording in both concerning purchasing a license, maybe to get support. And
wording in later expands on limitation of use and ownership. But the
kicker
is the line at the bottom of the one in version 1.4.1 which says "version
1.3".
I'm not a lawyer trying to figure out the full meaning and it almost
appears
they did not have one write it either.

Norman

"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Norman,
Mine was not a statement, but, rather, a question. I was under the
impression that the version 1.3 was the last FREE version with full
capabilities. That could very well be incorrect and it is not important
enough, to me, to do a lot of research to determine its' validity.
Maybe
it
was that 1.41 was a trial issue that, like you said, would expire after
a
period of time or number of uses.....I really don't remember. I just
know
that there was some reason that I was still using 1.3.
Heirloom, old and let me know if I am wrong

"E_Net_Rider" wrote in message
...
Crippled in what way?
I maintain an archive sometimes with several versions until I'm
certain
of
newer. Sometimes it is a long time before I get around to cleanup.
Also there seems to a disappearance of some of these which seems to
happen
during a Windows install or reinstall so I now try to keep them on an
external drive.
I remember at one point I had a newer version, than 1.3, that would
expire
after about 30 days.
But via whatever processes, I now have 1.3 and 1.41. Oops, that magic
got
me
again. Went to partition holding Utilities/registry/pwr tools and only
have
zipped copies. Others disappeared.
But in one of those desperation fixes avoiding format, I decided to
give
1.41 a go at it after running 1.3. My thinking, which may be wrong,
was
that
1.41 would die after 30 days, but did not care at that point. It will
happily install to 1.3 folder but uncertain as to how well it assumes
previous backups. I strongly suggest installing to separate folder
until
that is determined with certainty and as to whether it expires on you.
The interface is somewhat changed with maybe a couple of extra
features
added before they went retail. Maybe they had a 1.43 that was last
before
retail and expired. Only change may have been the timer. But I learned
that
you did not want to allow an online update which would make any recent
version expire. I think the update no longer works.
What I have seen is that 1.41 finds many more entries of which many
are
really duplicates because of the arrangement of the registry,
particularly
as to HKCR and HKLM. But regardless, same cautions apply as to how you
use
it.
Norman
"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
Norman,
Isn't jv16 ver 1.41 just a crippled version of 1.3??? It's been
so
long, I don't remember, but, that comes to mind. I am still using
1.3,
mainly to find leftover detritus from program uninstalls (doesn't
happen
very often). I find it easier than doing manual registry searches
for
a
variety of files, some of which, I don't know to look for! It isn't
for
everyone, I know, and the main thing is the backup!...I'll say it
again....BACKUP!!!!!
Heirloom, old and once again, BACKUP!!


"Norman" wrote in message
...
I could not agree more that registry cleaners are not for the
inexperienced.
I've had my share of problems, even with MSRegClean, which is no
longer
supported. It would remove a key that would break your install.
Unfortunately it always ran in automatic mode, but had enough
experience
(bad) that I knew what key to replace.
I now use only tools that allow me total control and automatically
or
manually make backups of what is removed and allow restoring of
single
entries, with one exception and that tool is
http://support.microsoft.com/downloa...s/ShareDLL.exe

I also use a really old one known as JV16 PowerTools, version 1.3
and
version 1.41. These were free and you may find an archive
somewhere.
Also OLE Clean 1.5.
The biggest problem I've seen with such tools is they often want to
remove
HKCR keys that MS installed, but may not be currently in use, such
as
briefcase, UPNP, some Office keys etc. And when you turn such on
via
add/remove, windows setup, or by adding or first use of Office
feature,
it
ends up broken.
So that is definitely a key you want to look at closely before
making
a
decision. Did MS put it there, or is it a leftover from something
removed.
snip

So, when you are backed into the corner of only choice being format
and
install, or using risky registry tools, the choice is clear to me.
What
have
you got to lose? Use with over caution.
Norman