How to fix the bootup screen logo after running setup

As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my
old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich,
XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get
the comptuer to boot.

Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options
\cabs and ran setup.exe
It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I
expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had
anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered
it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the
keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet,
but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is
that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a
standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by
extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it
was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product
key when somebody asks me if I have one.

For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I
customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the
computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I
didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to
running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system.

I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was
able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just
fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives
instead of copying real drive letters.

On Sep 11, 4:59*pm, SlickRCBD wrote:
As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my
old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s swtich,
XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I couldn't get
the comptuer to boot.

Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options
\cabs and ran setup.exe
It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I
expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had
anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered
it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the
keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet,
but everything looks like it's running fine. One thing I noticed is
that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a
standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by
extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought it
was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail product
key when somebody asks me if I have one.

For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I
customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the
computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations. I
didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to
running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system.

I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was
able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just
fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives
instead of copying real drive letters.

I forgot to add, here's a picture of what I'm trying to bring back,
taken from said Virutal PC backup I made prior to obtaining the new
drive
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/
Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks
the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell"
and no "Microsoft"

While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it
from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put
something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD?

"SlickRCBD" wrote in message
...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/
Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks
the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell"
and no "Microsoft"


While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it
from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put
something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD?

The standard boot screen picture filename is LOGOS.SYS.
It is in fact a BMP picture file, but squeezed narrow (320 x 400
pixels) and unsqueezed when displayed by the boot process. You can
in fact create any picture file you like for this function, so long as it
has the same pixel dimensions, or edit (a copy of) LOGOS.SYS
in a picture editor.

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The standard boot screen picture filename is LOGOS.SYS.

(LOGO.SYS, actually - LOGOW.SYS and LOGOS.SYS are the shutdown ones, one
of which - "it is now safe to turn off your computer" - you now only see
for a split-second, if at all, with an ATX power supply.)

It is in fact a BMP picture file, but squeezed narrow (320 x 400
pixels) and unsqueezed when displayed by the boot process. You can
in fact create any picture file you like for this function, so long as it
has the same pixel dimensions, or edit (a copy of) LOGOS.SYS
in a picture editor.

There's more to it than that, though: that will certainly work, but will
give you a static image. The format actually uses a technique called
"palette switching" to give animation, which in the MS file just gives
you the sliding bar below the clouds (am I right in thinking this goes
in different directions for some things, is it 95 and 98 or 98 and
98SE?), but which some people have made quite artistic creations with. I
have a collection of them somewhere, including some Christmas ones.
There are tools - I thought one was called anilogo, but all that seems
to throw up now is details of a worm of that name. Anyway,
http://web.inter.nl.net/hcc/A.Jaw.Venema/animated.html has some example
files (such as a clock face), and some links to some tools.

Ah, happy days ...
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** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

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gravestone of Winifred Holtby, Yorkshire novelist

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
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SNIP


There are tools - I thought
one was called anilogo, but all that seems to throw up now
is details of a worm of that name.

I have that one and a few others if anyone wants them...



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Lots of theoretical butchers are alleged and other bloody eyes
are suitable, but will Pam secure that?

SlickRCBD wrote:
On Sep 11, 4:59 pm, SlickRCBD wrote:
As mentioned in the MPW98.disks.general, I just replaced the HD in my
old 98 machine. However, in spite of formatting it with the /s
swtich, XCOPYing everything, and doing sys D: for good measure, I
couldn't get the comptuer to boot.

Probably, one/both of the following was the missing requirement...

1. The partition to boot must be the Active partition.
FDISK option 2 makes a partition the Active one.

2. There must be boot code in the MBR (Master Boot Record) of the HDD.
FDISK /MBR puts it there, but there are cautions about that.

Not having a CD for this OEM install, I went to c:\windows\options
\cabs and ran setup.exe
It acted like I used an answer file and ran MUCH faster than I
expected. Once it was finished, it asked me for a product key. I had
anticipated this and extracted it before this ever began. I entered
it, and was taken to my desktop. I haven't hooked anything but the
keyboard, moue, and monitor up nor have I screwed in the drives yet,
but everything looks like it's running fine.

That was smart enough to be sure of the product key. I guess it was
quick because it was doing an over-install, but I don't really know.
Mine, like yours, came pre-installed. If an over-install was done, then
the Version Conflict Manager may have activated...

http://support.microsoft.com/default...57&Product=w98
Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98
........Quote.........................
1. Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories,
point to System Tools, and then click System Information.
2. On the Tools menu, click Version Conflict Manager.
3. Click the file that you want to restore, and then click Restore
Selected Files.
........EOQ..............................

If the over-install replaced newer files with old ones, they will be
shown & are recoverable through the VCM. Do you see Logo.sys mentioned
in there? Is there a Logo.sys in your C:\folder? Logo.sys -- if present
in C:\ -- is the startup screen. If not present in C:\, there is one
embedded in IO.sys that is used-- normally.

That's the normal situation. However, my Compaq puts up a different
startup screen -- just a big, red COMPAQ -- & I have no Logo.sys file in
C:\. And I doubt it altered the one embedded in IO.sys. Therefore, I
believe there is a 3rd mechanism for it (which I haven't ever
discovered).

If you have no Logo.sys to restore from VCM & there is a Logo.sys in
C:\; try renaming it to Logo.sy_. Reboot. It's possible the 3rd
mechanism depends upon the file being missing.

Here's something you should also see...
http://support.microsoft.com/default...85&Product=w98
Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool
(184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore the
newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98 Setup, the
files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98 files may be
lost.

One thing I noticed is
that it no longer says "Dell" on the bootup screen, but instead has a
standard win98 bootup screen. Is there any way to bring that back by
extracting a file from my old HD? It's a minor thing, but I thought
it was nice to have the OEM one to remind me it's NOT a retail
product key when somebody asks me if I have one.

For that matter, what format is this custom boot screen and can I
customize it myself? First priority is to get the old one that the
computer came with back up, then worry about further customizations.
I didn't expect this, but surprisingly I haven't ahd to revert to
running setup the entire time I"ve owned this system.

Here is something that sounds sensible from my Keepers posts. You can
use MSPaint...

..........Quote Julien..................
"Julien" wrote in message
news:ejglvg4pBHA.1532@tkmsftngp03...
To generate a new startup screen:
Create a 320x400 256 color bitmap (it is important to use the exact
format
or it will not be displayed) and save it as logo.sys in your root
directory
(usually c.

Same thing for log off and shutdown screens but named logow.sys and
logos.sys saved in your win directory (usually c:\windows).

The default startup logo is "inside" io.sys. So to revert to it, simply
delete logo.sys from your root. To revert to the default shutdown logos,
first rename the ones on your computer to logow.old and logos.old and
create
new ones, if you want to go back delete your creations and rename the
previous ones.

If you want to disable the startup screen: add the line logo=0 under
[Options] in your msdos.sys. If you want to disable the shutdown
screens,
just make sure there is no file called logos.sys or logow.sys in your
windows directory.
...........EOQ Julien.....................

I don't udnerstand why the step of running setup was necessary, I was
able to make a working virtual PC virtual hard drive that booted just
fine using the exact same procedure only mapping networked drives
instead of copying real drive letters.

I presume it either made the partition the Active one or it did a /MBR
to the hard drive.

I forgot to add, here's a picture of what I'm trying to bring back,
taken from said Virutal PC backup I made prior to obtaining the new
drive
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10736018@N05/3910124663/
Now when I boot up the actual computer, the Windows 98 screen lacks
the words in the upper corners of the screen. No "Distributed by Dell"
and no "Microsoft"

That's so similar to Logo.sys that I think you will find one in VCM (a
Dell version) that has been replaced with the original. Compaq seems to
have done something more complex.

While I'm at it, is it possible to modify the file after extracting it
from the backup? Can I add "SE" to the Windows 98 and maybe put
something to ID the computer as belinging to SlickRCBD?

You may do whatever you wish to it with MSPaint-- but keep the size &
color resolution precisely the same!


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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:04:02 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

... my Compaq puts up a different
startup screen -- just a big, red COMPAQ -- & I have no Logo.sys file in
C:\. And I doubt it altered the one embedded in IO.sys. Therefore, I
believe there is a 3rd mechanism for it (which I haven't ever
discovered).

Look for a HPA or hidden partition. See my first post to this thread.

Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern
motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that
allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:04:02 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

... my Compaq puts up a different
startup screen -- just a big, red COMPAQ -- & I have no Logo.sys file
in C:\. And I doubt it altered the one embedded in IO.sys. Therefore,
I believe there is a 3rd mechanism for it (which I haven't ever
discovered).

Look for a HPA or hidden partition. See my first post to this thread.

I'll look. There was a second partition that held an updatable,
full-system backup, but it wasn't hidden. And there is no hidden
partition for sure.

Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern
motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that
allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.

Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq
download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The
flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have
no such utility for my BIOS.

- Franc Zabkar

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:

Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern
motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that
allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.

Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq
download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The
flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have
no such utility for my BIOS.

These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT

These are the binary modules that were extracted from the compressed
image:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/

Gigabyte "Face-Wizard":
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/...facewizard.htm

"Face-Wizard™ allows user to select BIOS on board or file in hard
drive/floppy disk/zip/MO or other storage devices and combine the
compatible picture you prefer into BIOS. And not only this,
Face-Wizard™ also helps user to update BIOS in Windows mode."

Asus MyLogo Series:
http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/mb/mylogo.htm

"With the MyLogo Series, you can download your favorite image from
Windows into the BIOS Flash ROM, providing a fast, convenient way to
'decorate' your system."

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:24:27 -0400, "PCR" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:

Is it possible that the Compaq logo is patched into the BIOS? Modern
motherboards (eg Asus, Gigabyte) are supplied with utilities that
allow users to add their own logos and backgrounds to the BIOS.

Well, it is a Compaq BIOS, & I've even flashed it with a Compaq
download. That never occurred to me, but I guess it is possible. The
flash is... System ROM Family: 686S4; System ROM Date: 7/25/00. I have
no such utility for my BIOS.

These are the modules in my BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S...OS/MODULES.TXT

I believe that the "Small OEM Logo" is the "Green" logo.

This is a dump of my AMI BIOS:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/L7S7A2.RPT

These are the binary modules that were extracted from the compressed
image:
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/L7S7A2/BIOS/

Gigabyte "Face-Wizard":
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/...facewizard.htm

"Face-Wizard™ allows user to select BIOS on board or file in hard
drive/floppy disk/zip/MO or other storage devices and combine the
compatible picture you prefer into BIOS. And not only this,
Face-Wizard™ also helps user to update BIOS in Windows mode."

Asus MyLogo Series:
http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/mb/mylogo.htm

"With the MyLogo Series, you can download your favorite image from
Windows into the BIOS Flash ROM, providing a fast, convenient way to
'decorate' your system."

- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.